BREAKING: Channing Frye signs with Magic; 4 years, $32 million

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Channing Frye has agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal with the Magic, source tells Yahoo Sports.

Wow...didn't this guy have heart problems or something?

[Johnny Jones]

Why? 8 million a year too :roll:

[IncarceratedBob]

Another guy Miami struck out on

[Levity]

Hennigan discreetly telling andrew nicholson to fck off. :lol

[Uncle Drew]

Never change Orlando, never change.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lol

Did they just use the #4 pick on a guy who plays the same position?

[Purch]

Is Frye really worth Diaw money?

[El Kabong]

Nice deal for Channing, seems a bit much for the Magic, but at least that adds another shooter to the team.

[Droid101]

Lol

Did they just use the #4 pick on a guy who plays the same position?
:roll:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Hennigan: From promising young GM to utter trainwreck.

[Jameerthefear]

I think I need to sit down.

[qrich]

:roll:

Willie Green and now Channing Frye.

Playoffs or bust.

[bluechox2]

lol wtf? magic made some stupid decisions so far

[HylianNightmare]

Hennigan: From promising young GM to utter trainwreck.
This

****ing frustrating

[Droid101]

Jesus christ seriously if I wasn't a star NBA player I'd sign Frye's agent ASAP.

[Olacinco]

Hennigen working for the Lakers on the down low :facepalm








Were ****ked......

[DMAVS41]

Don't like it, but it's not the worst thing ever.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I think I need to sit down.

May I suggest you begin putting your faith into henny instead if henni?

Might help some

[Olacinco]

Don't like it, but it's not the worst thing ever.


stop, just stop

[bluechox2]

why trade aflalo and waive jameer and trade all your picks for a guy in the draft if you gonna throw away ur cash of frye

[Le Shaqtus]

Eh, it's whatever at this point.

Our team is crap so it's not like we can do any worse, Hennigan is probably just doing shit for the long term.

like LONNNNGGGG term.

[gts]

I've been fairly quiet through free agency and usually give GMs some room since we don't know the grand plan they might have to make moves but this along with other moves by Orlando make you wonder if they have a plan at all

[Embers]

Orlandos new line up

Maxiel
Harris
Gordon
Frye
Nicholson

Looks a bit short on PF though to be fair

[qrich]

Eh, it's whatever at this point.

Our team is crap so it's not like we can do any worse, Hennigan is probably just doing shit for the long term.

like LONNNNGGGG term.

8 mil for Frye in two years helps how?

[Droid101]

Eh, it's whatever at this point.

Our team is crap so it's not like we can do any worse, Hennigan is probably just doing shit for the long term.

like LONNNNGGGG term.
Like, after Frye's contract expires. :lol

[Olacinco]

May I suggest you begin putting your faith into henny instead if henni?

Might help some



Yas lets all buy some henny and red bull and toast to a broken franchise :cry:

[Johnny Jones]

What's even worse is trading Affalo for Evan ****ing Fournier.. could have gotten a much better return from another team.

[Jameerthefear]

this is the only bad decision hennigan has made, but it might be brutal. years 3 and 4 of this contract are going to be absolute terror.

[Real14]

:roll:

Willie Green and now Channing Frye.

Playoffs or bust.
Bust.

[DMAVS41]

stop, just stop

LOL...calm the **** down.

You have to spend money on something. Spending that much on Frye might actually work in your favor this next year as it's not like he's going to make you good.

You guys will suck again next year and likely the year after. Then you'll have a quality team and Frye at 2 years 16 million at that point with an increased cap and tax line...is actually probably good for you at that point.

It will be okay, last year keeping afflalo and nelson all year were far worse than this.

[qrich]

this is the only bad decision hennigan has made, but it might be brutal. years 3 and 4 of this contract are going to be absolute terror.

:roll:

[AirTupac]

Orlando you da real MVP

http://cdn2.tauntr.com/sites/default/files/OrlandoTragic-Ad.jpg

[bluechox2]

afflalo is better than wade and u trade him for peanuts

[imnew09]

I think I need to sit down.
:roll:

[Olacinco]

this is the only bad decision hennigan has made, but it might be brutal. years 3 and 4 of this contract are going to be absolute terror.


stop Jameer just stop, it think its about time to abandon ship and stay Brooklyn fans.

[Jameerthefear]

What's even worse is trading Affalo for Evan ****ing Fournier.. could have gotten a much better return from another team.
didn't know u were in the front office. if they were offered afflalo for a lottery do u really think they wouldn't take it?

[DMAVS41]

this is the only bad decision hennigan has made, but it might be brutal. years 3 and 4 of this contract are going to be absolute terror.


:wtf: to the bold.

Also, years 3 and 4 are the best years because the cap and tax line will have increased a lot by then. And year 4 isn't bad because it's an expiring deal that can be moved with ease. I'm sick of all fans treating any player at age 30 or over like they have 2 years left...

This is not nearly as bad as you clowns are making it out to be.

But, I guess that is expected from you...the guy that thinks playing Afflalo and Nelson all year to hurt your draft pick and then getting pennies on the dollar for Afflalo the next year was a good move. ROFL...

[Real14]

May I suggest you begin putting your faith into henny instead if henni?

Might help some
I don't think he should drink Henny, it might force him to pick up underage kids in his abandoned and dusty old van again.

[Jameerthefear]

stop Jameer just stop, it think its about time to abandon ship and stay Brooklyn fans.
it is. everything else was good. only questionable one was afflalo for fournier+marble but that will work out.

[Fudge]

:roll: :roll:

[Real14]

Orlando you da real MVP

http://cdn2.tauntr.com/sites/default/files/OrlandoTragic-Ad.jpg
Amazing artwork. Such exhilarating piece of display.

[Clyde]

What a disaster of an off season.

Can we have Otis Smith back please?

[HylianNightmare]

This is terrible

[Clyde]

This is terrible

very

[Le Shaqtus]

8 mil for Frye in two years helps how?

F*ck if I know, I'm just trying to rationalize it :oldlol:

[Twiens]

WOW I feel for Magic fans. This is some Bryan Colangelo shit

[Smook A.]

But they just got Aaron Gordon... :lol

I don't understand the signing.

[Le Shaqtus]

Oh well, it's not we've been shit since we've had this franchise, guess we just gotta get used to sucking for a while.

[ballup]

Magic can't seem to stay away from bad contracts. First it was Lewis. Then it was Arenas. Now it is Frye.

[bluechox2]

you get rid of aflalo on the cheap and give his cash to frye?

[Orlando Magic]

If all 4 years are guaranteed, this is an awful signing.

If there is a team option after year 2, this is a great move.

I will reserve judgement for when the details of the deal come out

[DMAVS41]

Also, definitely good trade bait at deadline of 2016 season for a contender desperate to add stretch shooting...which teams often need.

[Jameerthefear]

Frye is Tobias's cousin

[red1]

terrible contract

[Le Shaqtus]

Also, definitely good trade bait at deadline of 2016 season for a contender desperate to add stretch shooting...which teams often need.

I'll go with this :lol

[mattvNJ]

**waiver**not saying the nets know shit about running an FO, a lot of really bad crippling contracts and no picks**

But Jameer Henni has made quite a few bad moves, This for example is awful he averaged 11 on 43% last season(also depends on contract). That does not warrant Diaw money. You also just drafted a rook with the fourth pick who just so happens to play the same position. The Afflalo trade was bad, Elfrid isnt going to be anything more than a defensive spark plug. The list goes on and this is just this summer.

[Jameerthefear]

If all 4 years are guaranteed, this is an awful signing.

If there is a team option after year 2, this is a great move.

I will reserve judgement for when the details of the deal come out
yeah, i'll wait.

[sick_brah07]

i am done with orlando

my god

this off season has been a train wreck :applause:

[DMAVS41]

If all 4 years are guaranteed, this is an awful signing.

If there is a team option after year 2, this is a great move.

I will reserve judgement for when the details of the deal come out

No it isn't.

They have to spend to get to the minimum to begin with, and he's great trade bait....and this is to allow their draft pick Gordon to actually see the ****ing court so his lack of shooting won't kill the team.

Just not nearly as bad of a move as you guys are making it out to be.

you guys realize that the cap and tax line are going to go way up over this contract...right? you realize that contenders might be lining up in 1.5 years for him...rather than having to pay a guy 11 million that is worse due to inflation.

[Jameerthefear]

**waiver**not saying the nets know shit about running an FO, a lot of really bad crippling contracts and no picks**

But Jameer Henni has made quite a few bad moves, This for example is awful he averaged 11 on 43% last season(also depends on contract). That does not warrant Diaw money. You also just drafted a rook with the fourth pick who just so happens to play the same position. The Afflalo trade was bad, Elfrid isnt going to be anything more than a defensive spark plug. The list goes on and this is just this summer.
no it isn't. he's made no bad moves outside of this one. you don't know what EP is going to become you can't judge on what you don't know. AA trade isn't bad until we see fournier play. i feel like if there was a better deal we would have taken that.

[Jameerthefear]

No it isn't.

They have to spend to get to the minimum to begin with, and he's great trade bait....and this is to allow their draft pick Gordon to actually see the ****ing court so his lack of shooting won't kill the team.

Just not nearly as bad of a move as you guys are making it out to be.
why are you so dumb about everything concerning my team? plz stop talking about the magic. u are very bad at it.

[bluechox2]

wonder whats next, tracy mcgrady back?

[Levity]

It's like Hennigan reads ISH and is just trying to troll jameerthefear with all these moves :oldlol: :lol

[Orlando Magic]

No it isn't.

They have to spend to get to the minimum to begin with, and he's great trade bait....and this is to allow their draft pick Gordon to actually see the ****ing court so his lack of shooting won't kill the team.

Just not nearly as bad of a move as you guys are making it out to be.

If he's on a 4 year guaranteed deal he's not movable until year 4 because 8 per is way too much. You're wrong.

[HylianNightmare]

They better move Nicholson and or some of our other 4s

[mattvNJ]

no it isn't. he's made no bad moves outside of this one. you don't know what EP is going to become you can't judge on what you don't know. AA trade isn't bad until we see fournier play. i feel like if there was a better deal we would have taken that.

Fournier has potential, EP wont ever learn how to shoot. Hell be a defensive spark plug. I can have an opinion much like you can. You claim he has elite vision, you claim hell be a steal, you claim AG will be a super star. I do not believe those notions. No harm in that. Its simple opinions. I would of kept AA, idk he was my fav magic last year with Harris. Both guys looked very good.

[Jameerthefear]

If he's on a 4 year guaranteed deal he's not movable until year 4 because 8 per is way too much. You're wrong.
he is wrong about almost everything he talks about. it's best 2 just ignore him

[Jameerthefear]

They better move Nicholson and or some of our other 4s
have to at this point. i hope we don't move o'quinn. AN is gone.

[Real14]

wonder whats next, tracy mcgrady back?
Tracy would rather kill himself.

[NuggetsFan]

LOL...calm the **** down.

You have to spend money on something.

Probably the most dangerous attitude for a GM to have and the reason why bad contracts exist. Orlando is far away from being competitive, no need for give Frye that kinda contract. Keep developing prospects, building from the draft and than attack FA once your close to becoming competitive, until than make smart signings that have less potential to bite you in the ass.

[Real14]

It's like Hennigan reads ISH and is just trying to troll jameerthefear with all these moves :oldlol: :lol
That's karma for him. He know what he did wrong.

[Le Shaqtus]

I liked Nicholson too, he was a good pick.

Looks like Hennigan left his scouting talents at OKC.

[DMAVS41]

If he's on a 4 year guaranteed deal he's not movable until year 4 because 8 per is way too much. You're wrong.

It's way too much? No.

Jodie Meeks just got paid nearly 7 a year and that is with this cap. The cap is going to go up each of the next 3 years....and that was on a bad team with no contending possibility.

But now a desperate contender with a higher cap and tax line isn't going to pay 8 for a need?

Sorry. You're wrong.

[Le Shaqtus]

Tracy would rather kill himself.

Yeah it's not like he's never played for the Magic of his own will.

:facepalm

[qrich]

They better move Nicholson and or some of our other 4s

Nicholson for Bullock

[DMAVS41]

why are you so dumb about everything concerning my team? plz stop talking about the magic. u are very bad at it.

Dude. You are the one saying that playing Afflalo and Nelson all last year the most minutes...adding 10.1 wins to a team looking to be terrible...was a good idea.

And you defended them doing that and not moving Afflalo at his peak value. Then they just waived Nelson when they could have moved him last year for something as well.

You are really bad at understanding your own team. It's pathetic. Please find a new hobby or a new team you clown.

[Real14]

Yeah it's not like he's never played for the Magic of his own will.

:facepalm
That was then and this is now. Tracy knows very damn well and better through his mistakes and burdens.

[Jameerthefear]

^^ very dumb

[Johnny Jones]

It's way too much? No.

Jodie Meeks just got paid nearly 7 a year and that is with this cap. The cap is going to go up each of the next 3 years....and that was on a bad team with no contending possibility.

But now a desperate contender with a higher cap and tax line isn't going to pay 8 for a need?

Sorry. You're wrong.
Jodie Meeks was widely thought as a bad contract too :facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

Dude. You are the one saying that playing Afflalo and Nelson all last year the most minutes...adding 10.1 wins to a team looking to be terrible...was a good idea.

And you defended them doing that and not moving Afflalo at his peak value. Then they just waived Nelson when they could have moved him last year for something as well.

You are really bad at understanding your own team. It's pathetic. Please find a new hobby or a new team you clown.
very dumb, so dumb ^^

[DMAVS41]

Probably the most dangerous attitude for a GM to have and the reason why bad contracts exist. Orlando is far away from being competitive, no need for give Frye that kinda contract. Keep developing prospects, building from the draft and than attack FA once your close to becoming competitive, until than make smart signings that have less potential to bite you in the ass.

Dude. It helps them develop their draft pick. You can't play Gordon on that team a lot without stretch shooting.

What don't you get about this?

Also, it's trade bait.

You guys have to understand what an increased cap and tax line are going to do over the next few years.

Meeks just got nearly 7 a year...from a bad team.

You really think a contender that is desperate is going to freak out about giving Frye 16 million over 2 years? LOL

[qrich]

Dude. You are the one saying that playing Afflalo and Nelson all last year the most minutes...adding 10.1 wins to a team looking to be terrible...was a good idea.

And you defended them doing that and not moving Afflalo at his peak value. Then they just waived Nelson when they could have moved him last year for something as well.

You are really bad at understanding your own team. It's pathetic. Please find a new hobby or a new team you clown.

Why are you trying to explain anything to him?

[Le Shaqtus]

That was then and this is now. Tracy knows very damn well and better through his mistakes and burdens.

That makes no God damn sense.

Magic were a good team back then, he was just injured so it didn't work out the way everyone wanted it to. Don't talk about my team when you know jack shit about the Magic.

[Clyde]

Frye is Tobias's cousin

big ****ing deal.

Tobias isn't all that awesome.

mediocre player look good on bad teams.

[DMAVS41]

Jodie Meeks was widely thought as a bad contract too :facepalm

That doesn't even matter though. It's that teams are willing to do stuff when they are desperate.

You guys are so wrong about this it's hilarious.

Do you really how bad Gordon would look at their without stretch shooting? Have you guys even considered that Payton, Oladipo, and Gordon aren't exactly sharpshooters?

[Real14]

That makes no God damn sense.

Magic were a good team back then, he was just injured so it didn't work out the way everyone wanted it to. Don't talk about my team when you know jack shit about the Magic.
I'm not familiar with the magic? You a quite delusional on that remark. The magic were nothing but a mediocre 1st round exit team with Tracy in only 2 seasons, the other seasons his team did shit.

[Jameerthefear]

big ****ing deal.

Tobias isn't all that awesome.

mediocre player look good on bad teams.
u are also very dumb. plz refrain from talking about the magic.

[DMAVS41]

very dumb, so dumb ^^

explain why.

please say something of substance for once. this is your team so you should know.

please tell me why keeping Afflalo and Nelson all last year and having them add 10 wins and hurt your draft chances was smart....and then not trading Afflalo when he had 2 guaranteed years left so a contender wouldn't be only getting a 1 year rental?

Please explain...

[Clyde]

u are also very dumb. plz refrain from talking about the magic.

I've been a fan since before your mom shit you out.

get ****ed loser.

No one likes you on this board

[TheMarkMadsen]

DMAVS id love to know who this supposeded "desperate contender" (if there even is such a thing?) is going to be in 2016 and will have the cap space/parts to be able to trade for a 30+ year old making 8 mill a year

[Jameerthefear]

posters who are banned from talking about the magic:
clyde
dmavs
fresh f*g

[Boarder Patrol]

u are also very dumb. plz refrain from talking about the magic.

Jameer literally begging people to stop owning him :roll:

Only reply is "that's dumb" :lol

[NuggetsFan]

Dude. It helps them develop their draft pick. You can't play Gordon on that team a lot without stretch shooting.

What don't you get about this?

Also, it's trade bait.

You guys have to understand what an increased cap and tax line are going to do over the next few years.

Meeks just got nearly 7 a year...from a bad team.

You really think a contender that is desperate is going to freak out about giving Frye 16 million over 2 years? LOL


Trade bait? For a 31 year old stretch PF that really only excels at shooting for 8 mill a season, up until he's 35 years old? Health concerns as well. Meeks contract was considered bad as well, not sure why you'd use that.

No they won't freak out. Probably just look at different players. Best case is Frye is still productive, worst case is he's fallen off and nobody wants his 8m eating there cap up.

Even if for whatever reason you actually like this contract, which I mean I don't see how anybody could love this deal it was dumb for Orlando. Orlando doesn't need to give lengthy/overpaid deals to players that are 31 years old given where they are at building there team. You want a big that can shoot for Gordon? Fine. Go get a cheaper one that has less years on his deal.

[outbreak]

No it isn't.

They have to spend to get to the minimum to begin with, and he's great trade bait....and this is to allow their draft pick Gordon to actually see the ****ing court so his lack of shooting won't kill the team.

Just not nearly as bad of a move as you guys are making it out to be.

you guys realize that the cap and tax line are going to go way up over this contract...right? you realize that contenders might be lining up in 1.5 years for him...rather than having to pay a guy 11 million that is worse due to inflation.
This is a good point, I don't understand why it has to be 4 years (if the last year is a team option it makes more sense) but it was speculated we would be signing at least one other vet as a trade piece. Without Ben Gordon and Frye we have no contracts for salary matching and were still 20mil under the minimum salary after nelson left.

[Clyde]

In any case, it's been a disappointing off season.

Not sure I understand what direction we're heading....other than down, hoping for ping pong balls with philly....again

[Le Shaqtus]

I'm not familiar with the magic? You a quite delusional on that remark. The magic were nothing but a mediocre 1st round exit team with Tracy in only 2 seasons, the other seasons his team did shit.

I wanna have a witty retort but I can't stop laughing at how forced your regular speech is :oldlol: long story short you know nothing about the Magic so let's drop it.

[Jameerthefear]

This is a good point, I don't understand why it has to be 4 years (if the last year is a team option it makes more sense) but it was speculated we would be signing at least one other vet as a trade piece. Without Ben Gordon and Frye we have no contracts for salary matching and were still 20mil under the minimum salary after nelson left.
there isn't a good reason for signing frye for this much. we have the money, but we don't HAVE to spend it. terrible move.

[hawksdogsbraves]

This is the kind of next level tank move that only a front office prodigy like Hennigan can pull off :applause:

[DMAVS41]

Trade bait? For a 31 year old stretch PF that really only excels at shooting for 8 mill a season, up until he's 35 years old? Health concerns as well. Meeks contract was considered bad as well, not sure why you'd use that.

No they won't freak out. Probably just look at different players. Best case is Frye is still productive, worst case is he's fallen off and nobody wants his 8m eating there cap up.

Even if for whatever reason you actually like this contract, which I mean I don't see how anybody could love this deal it was dumb for Orlando. Orlando doesn't need to give lengthy/overpaid deals to players that are 31 years old given where they are at building there team. You want a big that can shoot for Gordon? Fine. Go get a cheaper one that has less years on his deal.


I respectfully disagree. There is no reason why you guys need to keep pretending that anyone over the age 30 is worthless.

Also, the stretch shooting allows Payton, Oladipo, Gordon, and Vucevic to develop.

Imagine not having a stretch shooter with those guys...it would be clog paint city and those guys would look horrible. That alone makes it an alright deal.

The cap is going to go up in the future. You realize this right? That means teams will be spending more and more on players as time goes on...the new tv deal is expected to be huge. So the 8 million a year won't be as big of a deal.

The deal gets them to the salary floor, doesn't needlessly add a ton of wins, allows their young players to all develop better than they would without a stretch big, and Frye could be legit trade bait by the trade deadline in 2016.

[Draz]

This guy is still playing? Dam how old is he now

[DMAVS41]

This is a good point, I don't understand why it has to be 4 years (if the last year is a team option it makes more sense) but it was speculated we would be signing at least one other vet as a trade piece. Without Ben Gordon and Frye we have no contracts for salary matching and were still 20mil under the minimum salary after nelson left.

We don't know the details yet. We don't know the guarantees or what the last year is.

[aboss4real24]

Magic r trash n will always be

there area iz sh itty to

Nggaz gave frye 32 mill tho smh

[hawksdogsbraves]

I'm not familiar with the magic? You a quite delusional on that remark. The magic were nothing but a mediocre 1st round exit team with Tracy in only 2 seasons, the other seasons his team did shit.

OMG

Is this how real14 talks when he's trying to be 'serious'?

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[NuggetsFan]

That doesn't even matter though. It's that teams are willing to do stuff when they are desperate.

You guys are so wrong about this it's hilarious.

Do you really how bad Gordon would look at their without stretch shooting? Have you guys even considered that Payton, Oladipo, and Gordon aren't exactly sharpshooters?

Orlando is rebuilding. They aren't going to be competitive. They could have signed cheaper, younger shooters to shorter contracts instead of overpaying a 31 year old for the next 4 seasons.

8m even for 2 seasons. 4 years tho? Ugly contract guaranteed. It'll never be a contract that brings them back value, even if he scores his 11 points a game. A team might take him on for nothing if he's still productive, won't give up anything valuable for it. Has potential to be a hard to move contract as well if his play dips as he ages.

[Johnny Jones]

I respectfully disagree. There is no reason why you guys need to keep pretending that anyone over the age 30 is worthless.

Also, the stretch shooting allows Payton, Oladipo, Gordon, and Vucevic to develop.

Imagine not having a stretch shooter with those guys...it would be clog paint city and those guys would look horrible. That alone makes it an alright deal.

The cap is going to go up in the future. You realize this right? That means teams will be spending more and more on players as time goes on...the new tv deal is expected to be huge. So the 8 million a year won't be as big of a deal.

The deal gets them to the salary floor, doesn't needlessly add a ton of wins, allows their young players to all develop better than they would without a stretch big, and Frye could be legit trade bait by the trade deadline in 2016.If they want to space the floor they could have signed a Euro big for cheap.

[Le Shaqtus]

F*ck you Cleveland. This is all your fault.

[DMAVS41]

there isn't a good reason for signing frye for this much. we have the money, but we don't HAVE to spend it. terrible move.

do you know what gordon, payton, and oladipo all have in common? could it be that they struggle to shoot the ball a little?

have you thought about what defenses will do to them if they can't stretch the floor a bit?

[Real14]

I wanna have a witty retort but I can't stop laughing at how forced your regular speech is :oldlol: long story short you know nothing about the Magic so let's drop it.
Was my information valid sir Shaqtus? Yes or no?

[Jameerthefear]

If they want to space the floor they could have signed a Euro big for cheap.
exactly. it's a bad signing unless year 3 and 4 aren't guaranteed.

[Le Shaqtus]

Magic r trash n will always be

there area iz sh itty to

Nggaz gave frye 32 mill tho smh

Oh Hell no,

You can trash my team, you can't trash my city.

This City is f*cking awesome, it's not Not New York but it's a f*cking good city.

The only people who trash talk Orlando are the ones who have never been there.

[Droid101]

DMAVS id love to know who this supposeded "desperate contender" (if there even is such a thing?) is going to be in 2016 and will have the cap space/parts to be able to trade for a 30+ year old making 8 mill a year
Like how OKC, the desperate contender, traded for an expensive piece to put them over the top just this year. And how the Heat did that this past year too.

DMavs tries too hard to be a contrarion sometimes. This was a bad signing for them, plain and simple.

[DMAVS41]

If they want to space the floor they could have signed a Euro big for cheap.

Not with the ability of Frye. These guys need to learn a little how to win as well. Last year was the year to just be truly horrific. Going forward with this group they need to at least try to teach these guys what it takes to win.

Again, Euro big brings no trade bait value either if it's some scrub.

[outbreak]

exactly. it's a bad signing unless year 3 and 4 aren't guaranteed.
well i imagine we still wanted a veteran player. I don't mind the deal I just don't like the 4 year part. If it turns out it's 3 years and a team option I don't think it's a bad deal.

[hangintheair]

So the Magic current lineup now

PG: Oladipo, Payton
SG: Fournier, Gordon, Green
SF: Harris, Harkless
PF: Gordon, Frye, O'quinn, Nicholson
C : Vucevic, Dedmon

Edit: For accuracy

[Jameerthefear]

So the Magic current lineup now

PG: Oladipo, Payton, Moore
SG: Fournier, Gordon, Green
SF: Harris, Nicholson
PF: Gordon, Frye, O'quinn
C : Vucevic, Dedmon
moore is gone.

[Real14]

posters who are banned from talking about the magic:
clyde
dmavs
fresh f*g
You are just mad because we are valid with our statements and points. Accept the fact that you're the one that's actually gay young jameer. There's classes out there for this.

[DMAVS41]

Like how OKC, the desperate contender, traded for an expensive piece to put them over the top just this year. And how the Heat did that this past year too.

DMavs tries too hard to be a contrarion sometimes. This was a bad signing for them, plain and simple.

Teams make moves all the time.

LOL...the Thunder should have. Next time they are in a position like that...you think Presti sits on his hands again?

Jose Calderon just got moved. He's on a similar deal. Calderon is over a year older.

And that is in this market. The cap increases will be significant over the next 2 years.

I don't try to be anything...you people are just wrong so often...

[Jameerthefear]

seriously i highly doubt fresh kid is educated or he might be mentally retarded or something. dude sounds like he has autism when he tries type coherently.

[NuggetsFan]

I respectfully disagree. There is no reason why you guys need to keep pretending that anyone over the age 30 is worthless.

Also, the stretch shooting allows Payton, Oladipo, Gordon, and Vucevic to develop.

Imagine not having a stretch shooter with those guys...it would be clog paint city and those guys would look horrible. That alone makes it an alright deal.

The cap is going to go up in the future. You realize this right? That means teams will be spending more and more on players as time goes on...the new tv deal is expected to be huge. So the 8 million a year won't be as big of a deal.

The deal gets them to the salary floor, doesn't needlessly add a ton of wins, allows their young players to all develop better than they would without a stretch big, and Frye could be legit trade bait by the trade deadline in 2016.

I don't even know why your arguing this. Nobody is saying somebody 30+ is worthless. You just don't pay old roleplayers 8m a season for the next 4 years if your team is rebuilding. Sign him for 2 years or pick him up for a cheaper deal. Get a better contract.

What if he falls off? Even if he doesn't 8m a season if already pricey for what he gives you. Frye has made the playoffs what like once in his career? twice? He's looked good in PHX but c'mon.

8m for a 31 year old stretch 4 is a stupid contract for a team that's rebuilding. Fact. Anyone can see that. How bad will it be? Time will tell.

[outbreak]

So the Magic current lineup now

PG: Oladipo, Payton, Moore
SG: Fournier, Gordon, Green
SF: Harris, Nicholson
PF: Gordon, Frye, O'quinn
C : Vucevic, Dedmon

from a quick look moore has been waived, nicholson is a power forward and we have harkless at the 3.

[hangintheair]

moore is gone.

So who should start? Who should get the minutes from the bench?

[Le Shaqtus]

Was my information valid sir Shaqtus? Yes or no?

A couple of shitty T Mac seasons don't speak for my franchise as a whole. We've been in the playoffs for more than half the time we've been in the league, 5 division titles, 2 conference titles, which includes two trips to the finals. Drafted greats in Shaq and Dwight.

We are not a storied franchise like the Lakers or Celtics, but we are certainly not a shit team like everyone on this forum pretends to think, we do suck right now but every team has to rebuild at some point, we're just doing a crap job of it.

[outbreak]

So who should start? Who should get the minutes from the bench?

payton
oladipo
harkless or harris
gordon
vucevic

[Jameerthefear]

A couple of shitty T Mac seasons don't speak for my franchise as a whole. We've been in the playoffs for more than half the time we've been in the league, 5 division titles, 2 conference titles, which includes two trips to the finals. Drafted greats in Shaq and Dwight.

We are not a storied franchise like the Lakers or Celtics, but we are certainly not a shit team like everyone on this forum pretends to think, we do suck right now but every team has to rebuild at some point, we're just doing a crap job of it.
a knicks fans shouldn't be calling any team shit

[Real14]

seriously i highly doubt fresh kid is educated or he might be mentally retarded or something. dude sounds like he has autism when he tries type coherently.
He tries to type coherently is the correct way of saying it even though you were absolutely incorrect in the first damn place. I'm Sorry to inform you but you just got owned again. Better luck next time.

[Jameerthefear]

Channing frye 8/32 age 31

PPat 3/18 age 26

McRoberts 4/23 age 26

Hawes 4/23 age 26

Ryan Anderson 8/34 age 25
this is why this is shit.

[NuggetsFan]

Teams make moves all the time.

LOL...the Thunder should have. Next time they are in a position like that...you think Presti sits on his hands again?

Jose Calderon just got moved. He's on a similar deal. Calderon is over a year older.

And that is in this market. The cap increases will be significant over the next 2 years.

I don't try to be anything...you people are just wrong so often...

Uh Calderon has how many years left on his deal when he was moved? How many teams do you think are lining up right now to take on Frye at 8 mill a season for the next 4 years? Not many. Case closed really. Orlando for whatever reason really wanted him and clearly had to overpay to get him to sign on a team that probably doesn't sniff the playoffs for the first half of his deal :confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

I don't even know why your arguing this. Nobody is saying somebody 30+ is worthless. You just don't pay old roleplayers 8m a season for the next 4 years if your team is rebuilding. Sign him for 2 years or pick him up for a cheaper deal. Get a better contract.

What if he falls off? Even if he doesn't 8m a season if already pricey for what he gives you. Frye has made the playoffs what like once in his career? twice? He's looked good in PHX but c'mon.

8m for a 31 year old stretch 4 is a stupid contract for a team that's rebuilding. Fact. Anyone can see that. How bad will it be? Time will tell.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You are saying you are rebuilding...and then you hate on frye for not making the playoffs.

seems to me you want to address needs to allow your young players to develop as best they can without needlessly adding a ton of wins. which is exactly what Frye does. he allows you to rebuild and develop at the same time...and, he is legit trade bait in 1.5 years.

Sorry...you don't know what a fact is I guess.

[Droid101]

Teams make moves all the time.

Tell me about all the desperate contenders who made moves for big money contracts last year? The year before?

Last year: none. All the moves for teams trying to "win now" were for dudes on expirings (Deng, Hawes, Blake, Turner, Granger, Andre Miller etc).

Year before? :roll:

It doesn't happen like it used to because of the new luxury tax rules dude. I would be willing to bet he never gets traded, and if so, it's on the final year of his deal to a team tanking that wants the expiring contract... for like a 2nd round pick or some trash.

Bad signing.

[Levity]

payton
oladipo
harkless or harris
gordon
vucevic

i think you have to start frye due to the lack of spacing in that line up. vuc is good from 15 ft out, but teams can still pack the paint with the starting 5. and if they do, dipo and to a lesser extend, payton, will have issues getting to the rim (though, payton already isnt the best finisher at the rim)

in other words, the magic need to bring gordon around slowly.

[DMAVS41]

Uh Calderon has how many years left on his deal when he was moved? How many teams do you think are lining up right now to take on Frye at 8 mill a season for the next 4 years? Not many. Case closed really. Orlando for whatever reason really wanted him and clearly had to overpay to get him to sign on a team that probably doesn't sniff the playoffs for the first half of his deal :confusedshrug:

3 years left on Calderon's deal. And he's older...and this market is tighter because there is going to be significant increase in the cap and tax in the coming years. This 8 million will be like 5.5 or 6 currently entering the 2017 season.

It's obvious why they wanted him. They need a stretch big that can open up the floor for all their young players.

It's not hard.

[Real14]

a knicks fans shouldn't be calling any team shit
See this is exactly why people owns you in arguments and thinks something is seriously wrong with you. Magic fans should never say anything bad about knicks fans especially since we had way better seasons than what your team had historically.

[outbreak]

eh the team is a long way off competing anyway payton and gordon are both players who need a couple of seasons at least to be real nba players. I think Hennigan is going for a long rebuild.

[NuggetsFan]

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You are saying you are rebuilding...and then you hate on frye for not making the playoffs.

seems to me you want to address needs to allow your young players to develop as best they can without needlessly adding a ton of wins. which is exactly what Frye does. he allows you to rebuild and develop at the same time...and, he is legit trade bait in 1.5 years.

Sorry...you don't know what a fact is I guess.

I'm not a Magic fan?

I'm saying Orlando is rebuilding. They don't need to make rash impulsive signings to try and get better NEXT SEASON. They should think longterm. Frye at 31, 4 years, 8mill is a move that wasn't needed right now.

Except he isn't "legit" trade bait in 1.5 years. Best case is you can move him without needing to add anything to him and find a team to take him on, worst case is his game falls off and your stuck with him or have to add to get rid of him. Why take that risk if your a rebuilding team?

You and Channing Frye's mom are probably the only people who think this is a good deal :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

Tell me about all the desperate contenders who made moves for big money contracts last year? The year before?

Last year: none. All the moves for teams trying to "win now" were for dudes on expirings (Deng, Hawes, Blake, Turner, Granger, Andre Miller etc).

Year before? :roll:

It doesn't happen like it used to because of the new luxury tax rules dude. I would be willing to bet he never gets traded, and if so, it's on the final year of his deal to a team tanking that wants the expiring contract... for like a 2nd round pick or some trash.

Bad signing.

Even if he got traded in his last year. Why would that matter?

How does this hurt the Magic? You aren't contending now anyway.

So that point makes no sense.

You don't get that 8 million sounds like a lot, but it isn't going forward.

[outbreak]

See this is exactly why people owns you in arguments and thinks something is seriously wrong with you. Magic fans should never say anything bad about knicks fans especially since we had way better seasons than what your team had historically.

Is english your second language?

[Olacinco]

Can we all agree Orlando is going to be a much more fun team to watch next year tho?





Much better then Oladipo playing point and Big Baby chucking 3's :facepalm

[Droid101]

Even if he got traded in his last year. Why would that matter?

How does this hurt the Magic? You aren't contending now anyway.

So that point makes no sense.

You don't get that 8 million sounds like a lot, but it isn't going forward.
:hammerhead:

Such a good deal, why didn't the Mavs get him for that price then?

[DMAVS41]

I'm not a Magic fan?

I'm saying Orlando is rebuilding. They don't need to make rash impulsive signings to try and get better NEXT SEASON. They should think longterm. Frye at 31, 4 years, 8mill is a move that wasn't needed right now.

Except he isn't "legit" trade bait in 1.5 years. Best case is you can move him without needing to add anything to him and find a team to take him on, worst case is his game falls off and your stuck with him or have to add to get rid of him. Why take that risk if your a rebuilding team?

You and Channing Frye's mom are probably the only people who think this is a good deal :oldlol:


This doesn't make them great next season. It allows them to put a team out there with their young players that makes sense.

Do you not realize how inept Payton, Oladipo, and Gordon would look without a stretch big????????

You have to look at it over the 4 years...again we don't know the details for starters.

Again...do you realize that the cap is going way up? Do you realize that their is inflation each year? Do you realize that stretch bigs are important.

[Smook A.]

This guy is still playing? Dam how old is he now
31

[DMAVS41]

:hammerhead:

Such a good deal, why didn't the Mavs get him for that price then?

Because we have Dirk and he doesn't address what we need....:wtf:

[Jameerthefear]

Again,
Channing frye 8/32 age 31

PPat 3/18 age 26

McRoberts 4/23 age 26

Hawes 4/23 age 26

Ryan Anderson 8/34 age 25
It's a shit move. There's no excuse for it. DMavs is a dipshit so he thinks it's good.

[MellowYellow]

Again,
Channing frye 8/32 age 31

PPat 3/18 age 26

McRoberts 4/23 age 26

Hawes 4/23 age 26

Ryan Anderson 8/34 age 25
It's a shit move. There's no excuse for it. DMavs is a dipshit so he thinks it's good.

Frye is a nice player, best player on Magic since Howard that's for sure.

[outbreak]

Again,
Channing frye 8/32 age 31

PPat 3/18 age 26

McRoberts 4/23 age 26

Hawes 4/23 age 26

Ryan Anderson 8/34 age 25
It's a shit move. There's no excuse for it. DMavs is a dipshit so he thinks it's good.

Wow I didn't know all those guys were free agents who wanted to sign with a horrible Orlando team.....

[Droid101]

Wow I didn't know all those guys were free agents who wanted to sign with a horrible Orlando team.....
They would have if they were offered as much as Frye got. :lol

[Jameerthefear]

Wow I didn't know all those guys were free agents who wanted to sign with a horrible Orlando team.....
if they got paid this much they would have.

[DMAVS41]

Again,
Channing frye 8/32 age 31

PPat 3/18 age 26

McRoberts 4/23 age 26

Hawes 4/23 age 26

Ryan Anderson 8/34 age 25
It's a shit move. There's no excuse for it. DMavs is a dipshit so he thinks it's good.

You don't get it. Overpaying him doesn't hurt you....like I said.. It actually helps you in a way because you need to be bad still. This is a lesson you didn't learn last year. Frye addresses a huge need for developing your young core without adding a ton of wins because he isn't that good....and despite what you keep claiming. Is trade bait for teams in 2 years or so...especially if the new tv deal is as big as they think it's going to be. This shit will be chump change for big market contenders.

It's amazing how dumb you are on this.

[NugzFan]

Is english your second language?

Has to be

[NuggetsFan]

This doesn't make them great next season. It allows them to put a team out there with their young players that makes sense.

Do you not realize how inept Payton, Oladipo, and Gordon would look without a stretch big????????

Do you not realize you don't need to sign a player for 4 fcking years to fix that problem? That maybe you could have helped shore that issue up for a cheaper, shorter solution and maybe in 2 years when your a little more competitive you could have made a push in FA for a better player, on a better deal?

Orlando is a shitty shooting team. Nuggets were awful at shooting a few years ago. Glad they didn't go out and sign every decent shooter to a 4 year deal and toss away 8m :oldlol:

Something like 6m/2 years would have been great for Orlando. Even giving him a little more cash like 7-8 on a shorter term would have been fine. Frye cashed in, got the money and the length. 8 mill + 4 years.

Won't find a NBA fan with a shred of common sense that calls this a good pickup IMO.

[D-FENS]

Lots of people bagging on this move don't understand how good NBA teams operate.

The Magic are a very young team, and they need stable veterans to influence the youngsters. It also helps that the Magic are adding veteran shooters. The money may look high, but what the Magic have done is added a vet who can have positive influence on young players for the next 3 years, and then trade him as an expirer in the 4th year to bring in talent.

Gordon has a very high work ethic, he's a gym rat much like JJ Redick. That will rub off on the young guys. Even though Gordon is a dick, I still think his work ethic may rub off. Plus he's a great shooter.

Frye is super professional, plays solid D, and is a great pick and pop player.

Right now:
CT: Vucevic/ O'Quinn/ Demon
PF: Frye/ A. Gordon/ Nicholson
SF: Harris/ Harkless/ Fournier
SG: Oladipo/ B. Gordon/ Marble
PG: Payton/ Moore/ Green

Vets, shooting, defense, athleticism. It's a start.

[PejaNowitzki]

Kinda feel like Frye will be the latest player to leave Phoenix and fall apart physically.

[Droid101]

You don't get it. Overpaying him doesn't hurt you....like I said.. It actually helps you in a way because you need to be bad still. This is a lesson you didn't learn last year.

It's amazing how dumb you are on this.
So... up above you say they need to sign this guy to space the floor so their young players will play better, showing them how to "win games" and whatnot.

Now, you say he's going to make the team worse.

You can't make up your damn mind because you just want to disagree with everyone for some reason.

I can't believe we let this thread get to 11 pages by everyone responding to dmavs obvious trolly baiting.

[outbreak]

if they got paid this much they would have.

and they all would want big minutes and would want to try to win, none of them are leaders or experienced players either. You want a guy who's a vet who fills your need and will put the team first. I also don't think patterson would have signed here considering we apparently offered him alot and he didn't sign with us. Mcroberts and Hawes are in no way leaders and Anderson makes the same competing

[Rooster]

You don't get it. Overpaying him doesn't hurt you....like I said.. It actually helps you in a way because you need to be bad still. This is a lesson you didn't learn last year. Frye addresses a huge need for developing your young core without adding a ton of wins because he isn't that good....and despite what you keep claiming. Is trade bait for teams in 2 years or so...especially if the new tv deal is as big as they think it's going to be. This shit will be chump change for big market contenders.

It's amazing how dumb you are on this.


Why would you overpaying someone when you're going nowhere.:hammerhead:

[Jameerthefear]

So... up above you say they need to sign this guy to space the floor so their young players will play better, showing them how to "win games" and whatnot.

Now, you say he's going to make the team worse.

You can't make up your damn mind because you just want to disagree with everyone for some reason.

I can't believe we let this thread get to 11 pages by everyone responding to dmavs obvious trolly baiting.
he has to be trolling. idk what he's even on about.

[DMAVS41]

Do you not realize you don't need to sign a player for 4 fcking years to fix that problem? That maybe you could have helped shore that issue up for a cheaper, shorter solution and maybe in 2 years when your a little more competitive you could have made a push in FA for a better player, on a better deal?

Orlando is a shitty shooting team. Nuggets were awful at shooting a few years ago. Glad they didn't go out and sign every decent shooter to a 4 year deal and toss away 8m :oldlol:

Something like 6m/2 years would have been great for Orlando. Even giving him a little more cash like 7-8 on a shorter term would have been fine. Frye cashed in, got the money and the length. 8 mill + 4 years.

Won't find a NBA fan with a shred of common sense that calls this a good pickup IMO.


They wouldn't get him for that. He was always going to go for higher than the MLE...it's why you didn't see teams going for him.

Again...we don't know the terms. And even if it's fully guaranteed and doesn't work out...it can only hurt them for 3 years as it's easy to move him in year 4.

That is because most NBA fans are ****ing morons.

[Jameerthefear]

and they all would want big minutes and would want to try to win, none of them are leaders or experienced players either. You want a guy who's a vet who fills your need and will put the team first. I also don't think patterson would have signed here considering we apparently offered him alot and he didn't sign with us. Mcroberts and Hawes are in no way leaders and Anderson makes the same competing
our leader is oladipo. fvck vets. if we sign 'em sign 'em to cheap deals like we did with Gordon (that was a good move, basically a one year deal) this is a move that might cripple us years down the road when we ARE trying to contend.

[outbreak]

he has to be trolling. idk what he's even on about.
Jameer you need to realise we are going to be bad for a long stretch. The signings we make right now will be guys the organisation think will help our youngsters develop not help us win.

[outbreak]

our leader is oladipo. fvck vets. if we sign 'em sign 'em to cheap deals like we did with Gordon (that was a good move, basically a one year deal) this is a move that might cripple us years down the road when we ARE trying to contend.

we don't know the structure yet, if it's full 4 years he becomes a trade asset in the final year. So at worst it's 3 years of Frye who's a decent vet. We aren't making the finals in the next 3 years. Gordon and Payton right now look at least 2 years away from being decent. It's not a great signing but it's not terrible and it makes more sense than you're making out

[DMAVS41]

So... up above you say they need to sign this guy to space the floor so their young players will play better, showing them how to "win games" and whatnot.

Now, you say he's going to make the team worse.

You can't make up your damn mind because you just want to disagree with everyone for some reason.

I can't believe we let this thread get to 11 pages by everyone responding to dmavs obvious trolly baiting.

Try to follow please. Not my fault you can't keep up. I didn't say it makes them worse. I said it prevents them from needlessly adding a lot of wins while also allowing the to develop their core young players because his stretch shooting is key for that.

So Frye address a need the team has...while also not making them too good. So they develop their young players and stay bad so they get high picks the next 2 years likely.

This isn't a hard concept.

Then, when he has 2 years left, or perhaps 2.5 years left at the deadline in 16...they can likely move him as the cap and tax line will have gone way up and the contract isn't that bad and Frye provides something that many teams need.

[Jameerthefear]

[/B]


They wouldn't get him for that. He was always going to go for higher than the MLE...it's why you didn't see teams going for him.

Again...we don't know the terms. And even if it's fully guaranteed and doesn't work out...it can only hurt them for 3 years as it's easy to move him in year 4.

That is because most NBA fans are ****ing morons.
and also, who's minutes is he taking? are we paying someone 8m/year to play just AN's minutes? (like 10-15 minutes last year) no. he's going to be taking o'quinn's and gordon's and maybe even harris's. shitty move and no excuse for it.

[DMAVS41]

we don't know the structure yet, if it's full 4 years he becomes a trade asset in the final year. So at worst it's 3 years of Frye who's a decent vet. We aren't making the finals in the next 3 years. Gordon and Payton right now look at least 2 years away from being decent. It's not a great signing but it's not terrible and it makes more sense than you're making out

This This This.

Someone that gets it.:applause:

[gasolina]

So what now?

C: Vucevic / O'Quinn
Pf: Frye / Harris / Nicholson
Sf: Gordon / Harkless

Seems a lot of tweeners over there.

[outbreak]

and also, who's minutes is he taking? are we paying someone 8m/year to play just AN's minutes? (like 10-15 minutes last year) no. he's going to be taking o'quinn's and gordon's and maybe even harris's. shitty move and no excuse for it.
I wouldn't be surprised is Nicholson get's moved in the future to be honest, he's been a bit of a disappointment.

[NuggetsFan]

[/B]


They wouldn't get him for that. He was always going to go for higher than the MLE...it's why you didn't see teams going for him.

Again...we don't know the terms. And even if it's fully guaranteed and doesn't work out...it can only hurt them for 3 years as it's easy to move him in year 4.

That is because most NBA fans are ****ing morons.

Yup everybody is a moron. Your the only genius, which is evident by the fact that you think giving Frye 8 million a season for 4 years is a good deal when it'll easily be in contention for worst singing of the offseason.

Too many keystrokes have been wasted on this. Stupid deal for the Magic.

[outbreak]

This This This.

Someone that gets it.:applause:

People don't think about how complicated a real nba team, it's one thing to think you can make quick changes and build a winning team but for the most part you're dealing with human beings and things take time for smaller market teams.

[DMAVS41]

and also, who's minutes is he taking? are we paying someone 8m/year to play just AN's minutes? (like 10-15 minutes last year) no. he's going to be taking o'quinn's and gordon's and maybe even harris's. shitty move and no excuse for it.

Nobody cares what you think clown.

At least be consistent. You were in favor of Afflalo and Nelson adding 10 plus wins, killing draft chances, and getting literally dog shit in return...but you aren't in favor of getting an experienced vet that provides exactly what the young guys need to develop while also not improving the team too much to hurt your draft picks?

How can you hate 1 and not the other? Makes no sense.

[Droid101]

Yup everybody is a moron. Your the only genius, which is evident by the fact that you think giving Frye 8 million a season for 4 years is a good deal when it'll easily be in contention for worst singing of the offseason.

Too many keystrokes have been wasted on this. Stupid deal for the Magic.
:roll:

It's good because it teaches them how to win and makes them better but it's also good because it keeps the team bad for lottery purposes and furthermore, comma

[Jameerthefear]

I wouldn't be surprised is Nicholson get's moved in the future to be honest, he's been a bit of a disappointment.
even then, will he start? are we paying someone this much to come off the bench? we already are trying to figure out what position Gordon is playing and how it's going to work with him and tobi. now this just adds another problem.

[DMAVS41]

Yup everybody is a moron. Your the only genius, which is evident by the fact that you think giving Frye 8 million a season for 4 years is a good deal when it'll easily be in contention for worst singing of the offseason.

Too many keystrokes have been wasted on this. Stupid deal for the Magic.

Never said I was a genius. I'm just showing that there are legit reasons for this move.

My first post said I didn't like the value, but it's not the worst thing ever. It's an overpay for Frye in a vacuum, but when you start looking at the circumstances you start to see why it was done and why it makes a lot of sense.

I'm on here claiming to love the deal or something, but it's also not going to hurt the Magic in any real way. How could it? By the time the team is ready to do anything of note he'll be either traded or expiring.

The only way the Magic hurt themselves is if they try to do what the Pelicans did and rush the process. The Magic look like they are doing the exact opposite with the Ben Gordon and Frey moves.

[Jameerthefear]

Yup everybody is a moron. Your the only genius, which is evident by the fact that you think giving Frye 8 million a season for 4 years is a good deal when it'll easily be in contention for worst singing of the offseason.

Too many keystrokes have been wasted on this. Stupid deal for the Magic.
he's so wrong it's comical. how can someone be this dumb?

[Legends66NBA7]

A couple of shitty T Mac seasons don't speak for my franchise as a whole.

He did what he could. It wasn't his fault that Grant Hill's ankle continued to hamper him and miss so many games. The roster he was surrounded with was trash after an injury prone Hill. Fortunately, the Magic rebounded in the next era with Dwight Howard and they got a Finals trip out of it.

[outbreak]

even then, will he start? are we paying someone this much to come off the bench? we already are trying to figure out what position Gordon is playing and how it's going to work with him and tobi. now this just adds another problem.

Why not? we have the salary and aren't looking to sign a bit name with that money and are still under the minimum even with this signing. Fryes the type of player that if his body holds out in a couple years a team competing would see him as the kind of vet who could push them over the top too. I wish it was a shorter deal but it isn't terrible.

[NuggetsFan]

People don't think about how complicated a real nba team, it's one thing to think you can make quick changes and build a winning team but for the most part you're dealing with human beings and things take time for smaller market teams.

Exactly. So you don't handcuff your team with expensive long term deals involving aging vets. You could have signed shooters for cheaper & shorter deals, and added positive vets for the lockeroom without having to handcuff yourself to them for 4 years. Why even worry about having to dump a player 2.5 years from now? Coulda just signed a guy for a 2 years.

Orlando is rebuilding. Cheap, short deals + building through the draft until there ready to compete for a playoff spot and than you give out the lengthy deals if you need to lure a player to sign with your team.

If I'm the Magic I woulda picked up a stretch 4 at half the cost or just a couple shooters for the bench. Same outcome this season. No worrying about Frye in a couple years.

[DMAVS41]

:roll:

It's good because it teaches them how to win and makes them better but it's also good because it keeps the team bad for lottery purposes and furthermore, comma

It puts them some place between the Sixers of last year (too bad and hurt the development of some players in my opinion) and the Cavs last year. So it keeps them "bad" in a sense...while not killing the development of the players.

Do you really not follow this thinking? I guarantee you that is exactly what the Magic brass was thinking with these moves. Help young players develop learn from vets what it takes, but don't rush the process needlessly adding wins.

:hammerhead:

[outbreak]

Never said I was a genius. I'm just showing that there are legit reasons for this move.

My first post said I didn't like the value, but it's not the worst thing ever. It's an overpay for Frye in a vacuum, but when you start looking at the circumstances you start to see why it was done and why it makes a lot of sense.

I'm on here claiming to love the deal or something, but it's also not going to hurt the Magic in any real way. How could it? By the time the team is ready to do anything of note he'll be either traded or expiring.

The only way the Magic hurt themselves is if they try to do what the Pelicans did and rush the process. The Magic look like they are doing the exact opposite with the Ben Gordon and Frey moves.

This :applause:

[STATUTORY]

clown franchise right here

[Jameerthefear]

Why not? we have the salary and aren't looking to sign a bit name with that money and are still under the minimum even with this signing. Fryes the type of player that if his body holds out in a couple years a team competing would see him as the kind of vet who could push them over the top too. I wish it was a shorter deal but it isn't terrible.
if he takes a second of gordon's minutes it's the piss on the shit covered cake.

[DMAVS41]

Exactly. So you don't handcuff your team with expensive long term deals involving aging vets. You could have signed shooters for cheaper & shorter deals, and added positive vets for the lockeroom without having to handcuff yourself to them for 4 years. Why even worry about having to dump a player 2.5 years from now? Coulda just signed a guy for a 2 years.

Orlando is rebuilding. Cheap, short deals + building through the draft until there ready to compete for a playoff spot and than you give out the lengthy deals if you need to lure a player to sign with your team.

If I'm the Magic I woulda picked up a stretch 4 at half the cost or just a couple shooters for the bench. Same outcome this season. No worrying about Frye in a couple years.

Who else are you getting? How is the impacting the Magic's ability to build through the draft in any way?

The deal will not handcuff them in the way you think it will.

[kshutts1]

Frye is worth 8m per. He is just not worth 8m per for the Magic... well, in my opinion... clearly they think he is.

On a contender, or possible contender? He'd be great on Memphis, Chicago, Indiana, etc.

The Magic have no franchise altering talent yet. They need to find or develop it. Focus on signing players with high upside, or filling the roster with capable, cheap veterans. Quality leaders. But not someone like Frye.

[DStebb716]

Hennigan discreetly telling andrew nicholson to fck off. :lol

Hilarious. Nicholson will get the last laugh when he's still in the NBA in a couple of years and Henigan is gone. What a terrible signing.

[outbreak]

if he takes a second of gordon's minutes it's the piss on the shit covered cake.

:facepalm Gordon isn't NBA ready. He is far from it. Frye is a good choice to help him adapt and teach him habits that will help him in the long run. This isn't a case of Afflalo taking minutes from Oladipo, it's a different situation. Gordon is 18 years old and raw, Oladipo was old and NBA ready to begin with.

[DMAVS41]

This :applause:

Glad to see someone can think for themselves.

You fight them off for a while...I'll be back on later.

[Jameerthefear]

:facepalm Gordon isn't NBA ready. He is far from it. Frye is a good choice to help him adapt and teach him habits that will help him in the long run. This isn't a case of Afflalo taking minutes from Oladipo, it's a different situation. Gordon is 18 years old and raw, Oladipo was old and NBA ready to begin with.
there is nothing that frye does that can help gordon. they couldn't be less similar. they are completely different players. gordon is NOT going to get better sitting on the bench. let him loose.

[ihatetimthomas]

I'm always shocked how overpaid he gets. He had one good year in Phoenix where he was essentially a 3 point shooter and has gotten overpaid twice since then.

[outbreak]

Glad to see someone can think for themselves.

You fight them off for a while...I'll be back on later.

everyone thinks it's nba2k and you just make some trades and win, this team is an even more extreme rebuild because we are starting COMPLETELY fresh and building a totally new culture.

[Legends66NBA7]

Right now:
CT: Vucevic/ O'Quinn/ Demon
PF: Frye/ A. Gordon/ Nicholson
SF: Harris/ Harkless/ Fournier
SG: Oladipo/ B. Gordon/ Marble
PG: Payton/ Moore/ Green

Vets, shooting, defense, athleticism. It's a start.

I don't see why they wouldn't start Gordon. I get it's for spacing for a good 3 point shooter, but that would just be taking away development time for the youngster. 2 post up (with not that much range) players can work on the same team, just look at the Raptors.

Val and Amir can hit the jump shot, but they usually will post up or use the pick and roll. Patterson comes off the bench. Magic should follow the same strategy. Let Vucevic and Gordon play together since their the future of the franchsie and bring Frye of the bench. Off course, Vucevic has a decent shot so doesn't really hamper the spacing.

[STATUTORY]

everyone thinks it's nba2k and you just make some trades and win, this team is an even more extreme rebuild because we are starting COMPLETELY fresh and building a totally new culture.
a culture that started in the lottery will stay in the lottery

[outbreak]

there is nothing that frye does that can help gordon. they couldn't be less similar. they are completely different players. gordon is NOT going to get better sitting on the bench. let him loose.

Gordon's biggest weakness is his shooting and positioning, Frye is a good stretch shooter and a good off ball player. It isn't like he will clone his game but Frye has a lot of habits that can rub off on young guys that are positive. You've also never sat down with Frye and are ignoring the fact there's more than what goes on on the court to think about when signing players.

[Droid101]

Who were they bidding against? Who was going to give this guy more than the mid level that Orlando juuuuust had to trump?

*crickets*

[outbreak]

I don't see why they wouldn't start Gordon. I get it's for spacing for a good 3 point shooter, but that would just be taking away development time for the youngster. 2 post up (with not that much range) players can work on the same team, just look at the Raptors.

Val and Amir can hit the jump shot, but they usually will post up or use the pick and roll. Patterson comes off the bench. Magic should follow the same strategy. Let Vucevic and Gordon play together since their the future of the franchsie and bring Frye of the bench. Off course, Vucevic has a decent shot so doesn't really hamper the spacing.

Gordon can't play the post either, he has no offensive game at all besides open layups and dunks.

[NuggetsFan]

Who else are you getting? How is the impacting the Magic's ability to build through the draft in any way?

The deal will not handcuff them in the way you think it will.

It's not impacting there ability to build through the draft. Never said it was, I said I'd do that on top of cheaper/shorter contracts.

Shooters can be had. If you wanted to improve the shooting ability of the Magic you can without giving up 8m/4 years.

I don't think it's going to handcuff them in this crazy insane way. There's just no upside to the deal. Best case is Frye doesn't get hurt, plays at the same level, and a team is willing to take him on when he's 33 and only has 2 years left on his contract. You think a team gives anything up for that? Obviously not. Worst case? He can get hurt, fall off etc. and your stuck with him for 3 seasons.

What if Payton, Gordon, Oladipo actually develop within 2 years + lets say they somehow land Okafor this year at #1 and the Magic are looking at the playoffs out East. If Frye isn't playing great, they have 8 mill tied up to him. If they went with shorter, cheaper deals than they would have had more available funds to add another piece around there young core.

If Frye is the deciding factor on how Gordon/Payton develop than there fcked regardless of contracts so I just don't see the positive in giving a 31 year old stretch PF that kinda deal. Best case it doesn't fck you and you just overpaid him, worst case it handcuffs you abit :confusedshrug:

[NuggetsFan]

Who were they bidding against? Who was going to give this guy more than the mid level that Orlando juuuuust had to trump?

*crickets*

I'd guess the Magic really loved him and had to overpay him to get him to come to a rebuilding roster. Make it worth it for him by adding a few extra mill/years than what he would have got from a potential playoff team.

[L.A.Hawks]

why exactly is there 13 pages on this exactly??

we are talking about the orlando magic and channing frye for ****s sake.

[outbreak]

why exactly is there 13 pages on this exactly??

we are talking about the orlando magic and channing frye for ****s sake.

because people are acting like it's a franchise killing deal when orlando right now are a shit team rebuilding who weren't going to be winning anything in the next few years anyway. The deal is a non factor, it's a bad team bringing in a vet who they think has a good attitude and work ethic to mentor their young guys while they develop. It's not a bad move and it's not a good move it's just a meh move that keeps the rebuild rolling.

[Jameerthefear]

i'm going to leave this and say years 3 and 4 will be hell. shit move. but at least elf and gordon are promising.

[DMAVS41]

It's not impacting there ability to build through the draft. Never said it was, I said I'd do that on top of cheaper/shorter contracts.

Shooters can be had. If you wanted to improve the shooting ability of the Magic you can without giving up 8m/4 years.

I don't think it's going to handcuff them in this crazy insane way. There's just no upside to the deal. Best case is Frye doesn't get hurt, plays at the same level, and a team is willing to take him on when he's 33 and only has 2 years left on his contract. You think a team gives anything up for that? Obviously not. Worst case? He can get hurt, fall off etc. and your stuck with him for 3 seasons.

What if Payton, Gordon, Oladipo actually develop within 2 years + lets say they somehow land Okafor this year at #1 and the Magic are looking at the playoffs out East. If Frye isn't playing great, they have 8 mill tied up to him. If they went with shorter, cheaper deals than they would have had more available funds to add another piece around there young core.

If Frye is the deciding factor on how Gordon/Payton develop than there fcked regardless of contracts so I just don't see the positive in giving a 31 year old stretch PF that kinda deal. Best case it doesn't fck you and you just overpaid him, worst case it handcuffs you abit :confusedshrug:

If they land Okafor and are ready to make the playoffs...why wouldn't you want Frye? Solid vet that provides stretch shooting at 6-11. Why wouldn't you want that on a team that struggles to shoot at the guards and forward positions?

If you get Okafor and make the playoffs...the rebuild is over. You aren't in the lottery anymore going forward. And at that point, which the earliest that could happen would be the 2016 season...you only have 2 years left on the Frye contract which isn't bad because the cap and tax have likely gone way up and he only has 2 years remaining.

It is my contention, that under your scenario, Frye will be able to be moved pretty easily. My only question would be why would you want to move him unless you were getting back a complete stud here? He's still likely to be a solid player in the 2017 season...and then he's on an expiring deal and you can do a ton of different things with him.

Again, based on estimates the cap should go to 67 million by 2016 with the tax line over 81 million. That honestly just makes the Frye deal nothing of note at that point. And that could be low based on increased revenue and a tv deal that might be even bigger than expected.

[Legends66NBA7]

Gordon can't play the post either, he has no offensive game at all besides open layups and dunks.

Magic aren't really going to be competitive again, so all I'm saying is you might as well give Gordon the playing time you can in his rookie season.

The Magic's coaches can teach him to be a strong post player. Both those are 2 of his main weaknesses (strength and offensive creativity), but he's only 18 years old right now. All that will come with time. Might as well start it from day 1.

[NuggetsFan]

If they land Okafor and are ready to make the playoffs...why wouldn't you want Frye? Solid vet that provides stretch shooting at 6-11. Why wouldn't you want that on a team that struggles to shoot at the guards and forward positions?

If you get Okafor and make the playoffs...the rebuild is over. You aren't in the lottery anymore going forward. And at that point, which the earliest that could happen would be the 2016 season...you only have 2 years left on the Frye contract which isn't bad because the cap and tax have likely gone way up and he only has 2 years remaining.

It is my contention, that under your scenario, Frye will be able to be moved pretty easily. My only question would be why would you want to move him unless you were getting back a complete stud here? He's still likely to be a solid player in the 2017 season...and then he's on an expiring deal and you can do a ton of different things with him.

Again, based on estimates the cap should go to 67 million by 2016 with the tax line over 81 million. That honestly just makes the Frye deal nothing of note at that point. And that could be low based on increased revenue and a tv deal that might be even bigger than expected.

Read. I said if Frye falls off or gets hurt. In this hypothetical Frye isn't a solid contributor which is always a possibility for 4 year deals. He's an older role player who just cashed in. Crazier things have happened. Which is why rebuilding teams shouldn't give them out to older players when there overpaying.

Best case this deal is nothing but an overpayment, worst case you get screwed. Magic didn't need to do it. Overpaid and bad value, and I have zero bias in this situation and pretty easy conclusion to come too IMO.

[Le Shaqtus]

i'm going to leave this and say years 3 and 4 will be hell. shit move. but at least elf and gordon are promising.

I'm sorry you picked the Magic as your favourite team bud, it's gonna be a rough couple of years :cry:

[DMAVS41]

Magic aren't really going to be competitive again, so all I'm saying is you might as well give Gordon the playing time you can in his rookie season.

The Magic's coaches can teach him to be a strong post player. Both those are 2 of his main weaknesses (strength and offensive creativity), but he's only 18 years old right now. All that will come with time. Might as well start it from day 1.

Every player develops differently though. It's not always the best way to just throw guys out there 25 plus minutes as rookies. Sometimes the best thing you can do to develop a player is play them 15 to 20 minuets a game as a rookie and work on things in the gym outside of games.

Dirk, for example, greatly benefitted from not being thrown to the Wolves in his rookie season. If the Mavs had forced him into 30 minutes per game as a rookie...he might not have ever become Dirk.

[outbreak]

Magic aren't really going to be competitive again, so all I'm saying is you might as well give Gordon the playing time you can in his rookie season.

The Magic's coaches can teach him to be a strong post player. Both those are 2 of his main weaknesses, but he's only 18 years old right now. All that will come with time. Might as well start it from day 1.
I don't mind who starts but I don't think there's going to be a big difference between him playing 25 minutes a game and him playing 35 minutes a game. Either way he is making mistakes and needing to learn. For all we know they will play him minutes at the 3 next to Frye as well.

[Jameerthefear]

I'm sorry you picked the Magic as your favourite team bud, it's gonna be a rough couple of years :cry:
at least this lineup:
elf
dipo
harris
gordon
vuc
is going to be absolutely fun as hell to watch :D

[CelticBaller]

Lol magic keep ****ing up :oldlol:

[outbreak]

at least this lineup:
elf
dipo
harris
gordon
vuc
is going to be absolutely fun as hell to watch :D
sure if turnovers and forced out of control drives are what you're in to...

in 2-3 years it'll be fun to watch.

Right now it's only fun to see the potential.

[DMAVS41]

Read. I said if Frye falls off or gets hurt. In this hypothetical Frye isn't a solid contributor which is always a possibility for 4 year deals. He's an older role player who just cashed in. Crazier things have happened. Which is why rebuilding teams shouldn't give them out to older players when there overpaying.

Best case this deal is nothing but an overpayment, worst case you get screwed. Magic didn't need to do it. Overpaid and bad value, and I have zero bias in this situation and pretty easy conclusion to come too IMO.

You could say that about any deal though. If Rose gets hurt. If T-Mac gets hurt. If Amare gets hurt.

Any contract is going to be bad if a guy completely falls off or gets bad. Even then, I still don't see it crippling the Magic because the cap hit is going to get less and less as the cap increases and by the time the Magic could possibly be ready to do anything of substance....he'll be movable.

Shit...Okafor's expiring contract landed Gortat last year for the Wizards. Think about that. Okafor, a guy on IR that didn't plan to play a game in 2014...landed the expiring contract of a beast at center that just signed a 60 million dollar deal. In this CBA...expiring contracts can be very valuable.

I guess I just don't see how it hurts the Magic in those first 3 years unless they just get amazing by 2016 and Frye gets hurt. That seems like such a low probability event that factoring that into a risk assessment analysis would be kind of silly.

[Real14]

Is english your second language?
My condolences to your travesty of a franchise but don't disrespect my intelligence novice one.

[Legends66NBA7]

Every player develops differently though. It's not always the best way to just throw guys out there 25 plus minutes as rookies. Sometimes the best thing you can do to develop a player is play them 15 to 20 minuets a game as a rookie and work on things in the gym outside of games.

Dirk, for example, greatly benefitted from not being thrown to the Wolves in his rookie season. If the Mavs had forced him into 30 minutes per game as a rookie...he might not have ever become Dirk.

Fair point.

Actually, thinking about it... Gordon has drawn comparisons to Blake Griffin. Griffin lost his 09-10 season due to a various amount of injures to his leg before finally getting surgery. Gordon could get a similar injury.

[longtime lurker]

Ladies and gentlemen your Orlando Timberwolves :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

This is pure comedy.

[Jameerthefear]

My condolences to your travesty of a franchise but don't disrespect my intelligence novice one.
seriously do you have some form of autism, maybe aspergers? i don't even think you're trolling you really are just that ****ing stupid.

[stalkerforlife]

8 million a year?

At least they're not tanking, which ruins the game, but damn...overpaid.

[Real14]

Has to be
Stay mad my friend. Yes, up there in those snowy and blistering cold mountains, stay mad.

[Legends66NBA7]

Stay mad my friend. Yes, up there in those snowy and blistering cold mountains, stay mad.

You know it gets cold in New York too, right ?

[Real14]

A couple of shitty T Mac seasons don't speak for my franchise as a whole. We've been in the playoffs for more than half the time we've been in the league, 5 division titles, 2 conference titles, which includes two trips to the finals. Drafted greats in Shaq and Dwight.

We are not a storied franchise like the Lakers or Celtics, but we are certainly not a shit team like everyone on this forum pretends to think, we do suck right now but every team has to rebuild at some point, we're just doing a crap job of it.
I didn't say the magic's entire franchise years, I was talking about tracy's tenure over there. Your franchise is not one of the worst but overall its looking ultimately bad for you guys.

[r0drig0lac]

I think I need to sit down.
:roll:

[Real14]

You know it gets cold in New York too, right ?
It's way colder in Colorado. Snows more, and they have a lot of mountains. Thank you very much sir.

[Legends66NBA7]

Shaq/Penny is the peak of Orlando's dominance. That 4 year era (or I should say 95 and 96) had the best Magic teams. Better than any of Tracy's Orlando squads.

[outbreak]

seriously do you have some form of autism, maybe aspergers? i don't even think you're trolling you really are just that ****ing stupid.
I work with a cambodian and he writes\comprehends english similar to real14 when he is trying to write properly. Wouldn't be surprised if english was actually his second language and he had problems reading posts properly. Would explain why he seems so retarded.

[Legends66NBA7]

It's way colder in Colorado. Snows more, and they have a lot of mountains. Thank you very much sir.

What's wrong with Mountains ?

[Real14]

I work with a cambodian and he writes\comprehends english similar to real14 when he is trying to write properly. Wouldn't be surprised if english was actually his second language and he had problems reading posts properly. Would explain why he seems so retarded.
I think you are full of shit which explains your feminine expressions on how salty you are of my valid points. You are defending Jameer on this one which makes you look like a complete imbecile. Maybe its the travesty of your franchise and your franchise's front office disappointing moves and progress. Maybe its your hate for me because you are simply a jealous misfit. Who knows? I will pray for you though Mr. Outbreak. Please help him Lord?

[Real14]

What's wrong with Mountains ?
Nothing really. I just said that because those are his state's main attractions which is pretty damn sad.

[coin24]

The magic:lol :lol

Stay shit scrublando:roll: :roll:

[outbreak]

I think you are full of shit which explains your feminine expressions on how salty you are of my valid points. You are defending Jameer on this one which makes you look like a complete imbecile. Maybe its the travesty of your franchise and your franchise's front office disappointing moves and progress. Maybe its your hate for me because you are simply a jealous misfit. Who knows? I will pray for you though Mr. Outbreak. Please help him Lord?

Again a great example of why he must have some learning issues or struggle with English, Jameer and I have been arguing this whole thread. I'm not sure exactly what I'm meant to be jealous of either and Orlando have had more success over the last 10 years than the knicks so if you're talking about basketball teams again that's a head scratcher. Keep praying to your imaginary friends and make sure you pay attention in English class once you hit high school because you may learn something.

[beastee]

Orlando went from promising young franchise with the 4th and 12 picks to total waste of money and a very questionable GM in 1 week. Is that some kind of record? Wow. :facepalm

[Black and White]

Weird move for Orlando, Hennigan is making no sense

[To4]

Wow.... err.. cringe worthy... 4 years 32 Mil? for a soft ass jump shooting big who doesn't play defense??

[Milbuck]

Wow, what a shit offseason for the Magic. Hennigan's an idiot.

[Real14]

Again a great example of why he must have some learning issues or struggle with English, Jameer and I have been arguing this whole thread. I'm not sure exactly what I'm meant to be jealous of either and Orlando have had more success over the last 10 years than the knicks so if you're talking about basketball teams again that's a head scratcher. Keep praying to your imaginary friends and make sure you pay attention in English class once you hit high school because you may learn something.
Knicks are better historically man. Get that through your thick and stubborn skull. Don't be jealous because I can write in proper English. Days will get better ahead for you Mr. Outbreak. Just have faith and keep hope alive. I don't pray to imaginary friends by the way. Thank you.

[coin24]

Still trust in your GM Jameer?:roll: :roll:

[smoovegittar]

You never know, he may play well for them. Maybe...

He goes thru these stretches of being in-effective.

[VIntageNOvel]

jameer curl up in fetal position crying while huggin his hentai dakimakura :roll:

[Heavincent]

What the hell are the Magic doing?

[Legends66NBA7]

Orlando went from promising young franchise with the 4th and 12 picks to total waste of money and a very questionable GM in 1 week. Is that some kind of record? Wow. :facepalm

Rob Babcock did worse in his Toronto tenure.

[Real14]

jameer curl up in fetal position crying while huggin his hentai dakimakura :roll:
Funny.

[DMAVS41]

Have you clowns calmed down?

Or are you all still acting like signing Channing Frye for within 15% of his true value, with the current cap, ruined your franchise?

[kshutts1]

Have you clowns calmed down?

Or are you all still acting like signing Channing Frye for within 15% of his true value, with the current cap, ruined your franchise?
I still maintain that Frye is worth 8m a year, just not to Orlando.

[Take Your Lumps]

I like the signing just because Orlando's sub par shooters who are primarily slashers need a lot more space. And Frye is one of the best in the league at spreading the floor for others. Payton + Frye PnR should be fun.

They're basically paying him what they used to pay Afflalo and they're still WAY under the cap...don't see the big deal here.

My only question is...what does this mean for Tobias Harris? Do you start a front line of Harris/Frye/Vucevic together and bring Gordon off the bench for now?

[tontoz]

I've been fairly quiet through free agency and usually give GMs some room since we don't know the grand plan they might have to make moves but this along with other moves by Orlando make you wonder if they have a plan at all


They dump Afflalo for garbage then sign Ben Gordon?

Draft Aaron Gordon and then badly overpay for Frye with Harris already there?

Wonder what the next episode of WTF theater will bring.

[ralph_i_el]

Bron Stan told.me they could sign Frye at the minimum:roll: :roll: :roll:

Height+shooting= BIG DOLLAS

[ralph_i_el]

Knicks are better historically man. Get that through your thick and stubborn skull. Don't be jealous because I can write in proper English. Days will get better ahead for you Mr. Outbreak. Just have faith and keep hope alive. I don't pray to imaginary friends by the way. Thank you.
You weren't alive for the Knicks to be good. No one would rag you about it if you weren't such an ignorant asshole.

Inb4 you diss my wizards

[LilEddyCurry]

I think they will play Gordon at SF, he is fast enough to play SF and Frye would be able to spread the floor for this team.
Payton
Oladipo
Gordon
Frye
Vucevic

[Real14]

You weren't alive for the Knicks to be good. No one would rag you about it if you weren't such an ignorant asshole.

Inb4 you diss my wizards
I was alive to see the Ewing-starks days you jealous ass salter hater. I seen them in the finals twice, I seen them in multiple east finals too. Wizards haven't made the finals or even the east finals since when? So that makes you the very ignorant asshole. Thank you very much sir.

[GimmeThat]

4 years?

I wouldn't even give Jason Kidd a contract like that just so I can lose money if I were friends with him.


3 years, with a team option on the 3rd since I'm paying him 16mil the first 2 year being a developmental coach.


this is more than the MLE for those who are wondering about my cruelness.

[DMAVS41]

They dump Afflalo for garbage then sign Ben Gordon?

Draft Aaron Gordon and then badly overpay for Frye with Harris already there?

Wonder what the next episode of WTF theater will bring.

They badly, perhaps more than any other team, need shooting. Not just from a competitive standpoint, but from the standpoint of developing their young talent.

Oldadipo, Payton, Gordon, and Vucevic could never play together without an elite shooting big next to them. Perhaps they still can't at this point because of their lack of shooting.

Frye adds a nice vet presence, allows the young guys to develop, will make the competitive enough to win a few games so they won't be the sixers of last year...but won't win too many games so it hurts their draft pick.

It's not a :wtf: moment. Gordon and Frye were actually smart signings given the current state of the Magic. It would actually have been much worse to go out and get better players at better values right now. Why? Because they are at least 2 years away from making any noise and rushing that process with other guys is the worst thing they could do. And if they do get good and make the playoffs like others have said....one of the biggest needs for this team will be stretch shooting.


This was actually the first smart thing the Magic have done in a while. The narrative that paying Frye 8 million a year for 4 years (really only 3 because his contract in year 4...even if he's on IR...is an asset) is going to cripple a team that isn't in the playoff hunt and badly needs stretch shooting for young players to develop properly...while also keeping you at the top of the draft....it's silly. It makes sense in a ton of way...

[TMT]

They badly, perhaps more than any other team, need shooting. Not just from a competitive standpoint, but from the standpoint of developing their young talent.

Oldadipo, Payton, Gordon, and Vucevic could never play together without an elite shooting big next to them. Perhaps they still can't at this point because of their lack of shooting.

Frye adds a nice vet presence, allows the young guys to develop, will make the competitive enough to win a few games so they won't be the sixers of last year...but won't win too many games so it hurts their draft pick.

It's not a :wtf: moment. Gordon and Frye were actually smart signings given the current state of the Magic. It would actually have been much worse to go out and get better players at better values right now. Why? Because they are at least 2 years away from making any noise and rushing that process with other guys is the worst thing they could do. And if they do get good and make the playoffs like others have said....one of the biggest needs for this team will be stretch shooting.


This was actually the first smart thing the Magic have done in a while. The narrative that paying Frye 8 million a year for 4 years (really only 3 because his contract in year 4...even if he's on IR...is an asset) is going to cripple a team that isn't in the playoff hunt and badly needs stretch shooting for young players to develop properly...while also keeping you at the top of the draft....it's silly. It makes sense in a ton of way...

I always love your breakdowns, DMAVS. This makes a lot of sense because of lack of shooters on the team. Without Afflalo and Jameer our best outside threat before signings was probably Mo Harkless. :lol Still with the East being so weak it scares me that this squad could actually be fighting for a playoff spot or atleast outside looking in, which means a shitty draft pick next year.

[Nets fan 93]

Wow Channing Frye got PAID. I thought he was dumb for opting out. He proved me wrong

[ZenMaster]

I always love your breakdowns, DMAVS. This makes a lot of sense because of lack of shooters on the team. Without Afflalo and Jameer our best outside threat before signings was probably Mo Harkless. :lol Still with the East being so weak it scares me that this squad could actually be fighting for a playoff spot or atleast outside looking in, which means a shitty draft pick next year.

The spiral the NBA is riding right now with the differences in the strength of east and west is making the tanking teams very close to unwatchable.

It's very unfortunate and a symptom of something being fundamentally wrong in a professional sports league would definitely be when fans are rooting for teams to do as bad as possible.

[DMAVS41]

I always love your breakdowns, DMAVS. This makes a lot of sense because of lack of shooters on the team. Without Afflalo and Jameer our best outside threat before signings was probably Mo Harkless. :lol Still with the East being so weak it scares me that this squad could actually be fighting for a playoff spot or atleast outside looking in, which means a shitty draft pick next year.

The Magic making the playoffs next year would be a bad outcome...LOL...what a sad state of the NBA this is that I can type that and be 100% correct, but that is a different argument/subject.

So yes, if they were to make the playoffs next year because of this...that would not be ideal as they should try to field a team out there that allows the young guys to develop, but doesn't win more than 25 games or so.

I don't see how Frye adds that many wins. He's not a star or something. They'll play Payton and Gordon a combined 45 to 50 minutes a game. Oladipo is hardly polished yet and he'll get 35 minutes a game this year. Playing young players a lot...just usually does not lead to a lot of winning.

To me that just seems like a 22 to 28 win team.


As a point of reference, the 09 Thunder, had Durant (way better than anyone on this current team), rookie Westbrook, jeff green, and some solid vets and they won 23 games. Granted, iirc they had a lot of injuries, but not to their main guys. The point is that if you play young players a lot...you usually lose. The Magic are a team full of young guys and will likely have 2 rookies and a 2nd year player in the starting lineup playing big minutes.

But again, even if they were to make some great run to the playoffs and make it, Frye is the exact type of player this team needs to make noise as they badly need stretch shooting. And, despite what everyone seems to think, 8 million a year for Frye moving forward is not a bad deal...especially when we all know the cap and tax line are going way up. The projected increase in the cap is like 3 million in 2016 and 4 million on the tax line.

Honestly, the only year in which it would be appreciably hard to move Frye would be this year....and I can't see any circumstance in which the Magic would want to do that unless a team came in making them a great offer or something.

[kshutts1]

They badly, perhaps more than any other team, need shooting. Not just from a competitive standpoint, but from the standpoint of developing their young talent.

Oldadipo, Payton, Gordon, and Vucevic could never play together without an elite shooting big next to them. Perhaps they still can't at this point because of their lack of shooting.

Frye adds a nice vet presence, allows the young guys to develop, will make the competitive enough to win a few games so they won't be the sixers of last year...but won't win too many games so it hurts their draft pick.

It's not a :wtf: moment. Gordon and Frye were actually smart signings given the current state of the Magic. It would actually have been much worse to go out and get better players at better values right now. Why? Because they are at least 2 years away from making any noise and rushing that process with other guys is the worst thing they could do. And if they do get good and make the playoffs like others have said....one of the biggest needs for this team will be stretch shooting.


This was actually the first smart thing the Magic have done in a while. The narrative that paying Frye 8 million a year for 4 years (really only 3 because his contract in year 4...even if he's on IR...is an asset) is going to cripple a team that isn't in the playoff hunt and badly needs stretch shooting for young players to develop properly...while also keeping you at the top of the draft....it's silly. It makes sense in a ton of way...

That breakdown is all well and good... but why so many years for Frye? Maybe it's the basketball fan in me that is mad because Frye will be rotting on a bad team instead of adding to a contender, but I just don't like the fit. Love the cost, hate the fit.

And they overpaid Gordon, IMO.

[DMAVS41]

That breakdown is all well and good... but why so many years for Frye? Maybe it's the basketball fan in me that is mad because Frye will be rotting on a bad team instead of adding to a contender, but I just don't like the fit. Love the cost, hate the fit.

And they overpaid Gordon, IMO.

You hate the fit in terms of Frye playing on a bad team...right? I agree from that standpoint that Frye would be fun to watch on a contending team.

But the basketball fit of Frye on the Magic is pretty much perfect. He is exactly what this team needs from the perspective of the floor spacing around a bunch of young guys that can't shoot.

Totally agree they overpaid Gordon, but again...kind of a good thing. They had to get to the salary floor, needed another guard, and didn't add many wins with the signing.