Why don't people admit Kobe>>>>Jordan when it comes to dunking

[rlsmooth775]

Michael Jordan is a overrated dunker if you watch his dunk contest he does the same dunks every year he entered. His in game dunks are not that special either Kobe is way more creative and had much better highlights. Dr J is also a overrated dunker he was just great for his time.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because who cares.

[Bless Mathews]

Op needs LASIK surgery and more lube for his boyfriend.

[Black and White]

Who cares, VC >>>>>> Both,

and Both >>>>>>> LeBron

[rlsmooth775]

Who cares, VC >>>>>> Both,

and Both >>>>>>> LeBron

you dont care yet you commented and you commented about two players not even mentioned in the post

[Black and White]

you dont care yet you commented and you commented about two players not even mentioned in the post

Because we all know that you are trying to start a stan war lol they are very protective of this shit

[BoNafidde]

Vince Carter

[rlsmooth775]

Because we all know that you are trying to start a stan war lol they are very protective of this shit

Nah I just don't understand why MJ and Julius are ranked in the top 3 as the greatest dunkers Kobe is much better in my opinion

[Milbuck]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wYnUM6kUq6s/UcqvIRfMQSI/AAAAAAAAFd4/zLX7eb7sWZU/s0-d/i6yVgviIi1oIi.gif

[the mesiah]

http://wannadunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Michael-Jordan-Slam-Dunk.jpg
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He had more swag/style with the gold chains ,more fluidity ..not even close..the only one that gets the edge on jordan is the UNC alum.half man..half etc..

[gts]

did Kobe's dunks count for more than Jordan's?

[Bless Mathews]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wYnUM6kUq6s/UcqvIRfMQSI/AAAAAAAAFd4/zLX7eb7sWZU/s0-d/i6yVgviIi1oIi.gif
My niggah

[Bless Mathews]

http://wannadunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Michael-Jordan-Slam-Dunk.jpg
http://leanblitzconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/michael-jordan-slam-dunk-contest.jpghttp://cosbysweaters.nextimpulsemedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/best-michael-jordan-pics-13.jpg
He had more swag/style with the gold chains ,more fluidity ..not even close..the only one that gets the edge on jordan is the UNC alum.half man..half etc..

Couldn't have typed it any better.

By far. No one even close. FOnkiest ever. Not even close.

Just him walking alone is fonkier than anyone ever.

[GimmeThat]

Michael Jordan is a overrated dunker if you watch his dunk contest he does the same dunks every year he entered. His in game dunks are not that special either Kobe is way more creative and had much better highlights. Dr J is also a overrated dunker he was just great for his time.

I don't know.

watching the modern day dunk contest, I think it's safe to say that Kobe pulled off some of the most body-out-of-control dunks WHILE making them in dunk contest or even some in game dunk contest.

besides the free throw line dunk from Jordan, I think all of his other dunks had been outplayed by Carter.


probably because of how out of control Kobe looks when he tries and dunk his athleticism gets underrated/overrated.

[GimmeThat]

Couldn't have typed it any better.

By far. No one even close. FOnkiest ever. Not even close.

Just him walking alone is fonkier than anyone ever.


true, his hand motion and gesture while in air can be underlooked by others.

once he takes off though, hard to compare the difference between that vert and VC.

[JohnMax]

Jordans best aesthetics dunks are when hes leaning

[dubeta]

Why do kobe stans care so much about dunking? theres much more to basketball :facepalm

[Shih508]

The dunks that Kobe did when he won he's only dunk contest is one of the weakest of all time if not the weakest

[GimmeThat]

Why do kobe stans care so much about dunking? theres much more to basketball :facepalm


but it's better percentages and more points than a free throw!

[played0ut]

You can argue Kobe > Jordan if you're comparing aesthetics. It's subjective, whatever.


But in game? Aesthetically, Carter probably is tops for me. But effective in game dunking ftw?

Jordan > Kobe and Carter.

He may not be the prettiest dunker, the fastest, or most powerful, but the man weaves and slices through clogged lanes and finishes like no one i've ever seen. He reads defenses and instantaneously reacts. So, so fast.




That's partly why they got rid of hand checking and opened up the lane for perimeter players. They wanted more people like Jordan so they can make more money.

[GimmeThat]

You can argue Kobe > Jordan if you're comparing aesthetics. It's subjective, whatever.


But in game? Aesthetically, Carter probably is tops for me. But effective in game dunking ftw?

Jordan > Kobe and Carter.

He may not be the prettiest dunker, the fastest, or most powerful, but the man weaves and slices through clogged lanes and finishes like no one i've ever seen. He reads defenses and instantaneously reacts. So, so fast.




That's partly why they got rid of hand checking and opened up the lane for perimeter players. They wanted more people like Jordan so they can make more money.


Lebron is pretty much McGrady on steroids on in game dunking.

in which, oddly enough, his favorite signature dunk of mine has now been the dunk where he dunks the ball while he's falling down and dunks the basket right on top of his head.

ala crowning the king.


maybe he'll work on his reverse dunking.

[played0ut]

Lebron's dunking is great. It's similar Barkley's back then. A large mass moving at a high speed made them hard to stop. Powerful, fast, and strong.



But I'm talking about the skill of being able to dunk by navigating clogged lanes consistently for the high % finish-- not steamrolling down open lanes. I'm saying Jordan's skill at dunking is on the top tier of players in NBA history.

Of course skill is only a part of it. He was blessed with the right genetics also. His huge hands made a lot of it easier.

[moe94]

Frobe's dunks > Jordan

[JonatanRey]

MJ is better in every aspect of the game except for mid-range and 3 point shooting.

[Angel Face]

MJ is better in every aspect of the game except for mid-range and 3 point shooting.

lol. Kobe's only better at shooting 3s, MJ is the master of mid range. I think he shot over 50% on mid range his entire career. Look it up, not so sure.

Anyway, dunking aesthetics is a matter of opinion. I personally prefer MJ's dunks over Kobe especially when he leans in. It was a thing of beauty.

[SpaceJammeR]

imo jordans dunk is a lot more aesthetically pleasing. looks like he's walking in air.

[sportjames23]

Ok, OP, why don't you get some YouTube vids of Kobe's best dunks and us MJ fans do the same for MJ and compare.

Do you REALLY want to go there?

[JonatanRey]

MJ is the master of mid range.

I think they are equal. Probably Kobe could make tougher and contested shots along his entire career. MJ found a more reliable jump shot later but was way smarter than Kobe. Tough decision.

Give Kobe 3 pointers.

Give MJ everything else. Dunking specially.

[moe94]

Ok, OP, why don't you get some YouTube vids of Kobe's best dunks and us MJ fans do the same for MJ and compare.

Do you REALLY want to go there?

Absolutely.

Outside a couple of really fluid MJ dunks like the airwalk and leaner windmill, I think Kobe has him beat. Kobe had more variety and between 98-02, more flair. Just my opinion, though.

[Yankstar]

Because we all know that you are trying to start a stan war lol they are very protective of this shit

:bowdown:

Real talk right here :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Calabis]

Absolutely.

Outside a couple of really fluid MJ dunks like the airwalk and leaner windmill, I think Kobe has him beat. Kobe had more variety and between 98-02, more flair. Just my opinion, though.

Show me any open court dunk Kobe did better then this one MJ did at the end of a game

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1055576_o.gif

[riseagainst]

as far as in game dunks, I think Kobe's are way better than MJ's.

[Smook A.]

http://i.minus.com/ibpDl5tUHcfmvW.gif

[ImKobe]

Show me any open court dunk Kobe did better then this one MJ did at the end of a game

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1055576_o.gif

some cool open court Kobe dunks (not that I would argue they're better than MJ's, just putting some dunks in this thread


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaGcmyknSV8
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc9h35KSuV1rgx7ico1_400.gif
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-76SB-3l7XCk/Uf4Jn5quBRI/AAAAAAAAIj4/JICB55q5lzE/s640/Afro+Kobe+360+dunk.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/13e6228e73389ed4d5c605d1f7613d25/tumblr_n1mvwr4cjH1rq1dtdo1_250.gif


Kobe IMO wasn't as great in the open court, I can't really recall him doing some of the things MJ did, like the FT line dunk or the cradle dunk, though Kobe has some sick windmills & 360s.

My favorite Kobe dunks are the contact ones, him postering Dwight, Nash, Okafor, Wallace & Humphries, that poster on Ben Wallace doe

http://37.media.tumblr.com/581c7e6066b7e0d049c814d75c0b4c21/tumblr_mkjqyi7su31retk9go1_400.gif

oh, and the most underrated dunk of all, reverse windmill on KG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLzxb5BQUo

Kobe's coolest dunks IMO were his reverse dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E__D4QcJC68

some sick shit there

[played0ut]

I think they are equal. Probably Kobe could make tougher and contested shots along his entire career. MJ found a more reliable jump shot later but was way smarter than Kobe. Tough decision.

Give Kobe 3 pointers.

Give MJ everything else. Dunking specially.

MJ has made those contested shots too. Its just that he had better shot selection and was a better slasher, so he never had to force so many contested shots.

Kobe just forced so many that by sheer volume, he made so many more "tough" looking shots, a by product of his questionble shot selection. He was just so skilled that they went in anyway.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

B/c of Vince Carter
he takes unadulterated, long, huge pieces of horseshit on every dunker in history that no one gives a fck whos 2nd and the rest behind him

[andgar923]

What is this? 2002? :confusedshrug:

Like others mentioned, the only thing Kobe is better at than MJ is 3pt shooting (and by a hair).

As far as dunking on people....

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh133/andgar923/el_coxxx_2.gif

[moe94]

Show me any open court dunk Kobe did better then this one MJ did at the end of a game

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1055576_o.gif

That is pretty amazing but I'm allowed to have an opinion. I can show you like 10 Bean windmills. What does it really prove?

besides

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jH0STHtBN-A/UtuLWfU4kwI/AAAAAAAAAtA/mVx8poi_rMQ/s1600/Jordan+Air+Walk+Crop.gif

>>>

[r0drig0lac]

imo jordans dunk is a lot more aesthetically pleasing. looks like he's walking in air.
basically it, but this conversation makes no sense

[tmacattack33]

Wow. Smh.


I didn't know the people thought Kobe was that good of a dunker.



Oh wait, this is a Kobe Stan. They don't count as real people.

[GimmeThat]

not a dunk

but a memorable play


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfElBQ_IPSQ

[moe94]

Wow. Smh.


I didn't know the people thought Kobe was that good of a dunker.



Oh wait, this is a Kobe Stan. They don't count as real people.

What are you talking about? How is Kobe not a great dunker and not one of the best to ever do it? What didn't he do in terms of dunking? He has some of the greatest posters ever. Some of the flashiest dunks ever. Why is it so blasphemous to suggest he's better than Jordan at dunking? Enlighten me. Please. :biggums:

[riseagainst]

Wow. Smh.


I didn't know the people thought Kobe was that good of a dunker.



Oh wait, this is a Kobe Stan. They don't count as real people.

:roll:
my goodness the stupidity of these lebrontards.
:roll: :roll:

[andgar923]

Anybody can do windmills tho.

Only a small handful can do 'leaning' windmills from a distance that MJ did.

[GimmeThat]

What are you talking about? How is Kobe not a great dunker and not one of the best to ever do it? What didn't he do in terms of dunking? He has some of the greatest posters ever. Some of the flashiest dunks ever. Why is it so blasphemous to suggest he's better than Jordan at dunking? Enlighten me. Please. :biggums:

because funk > nature's noise

Jordan was God's instrument.

Kobe was just his reflection.






still going to hell

[Dro]

Michael Jordan is a overrated dunker if you watch his dunk contest he does the same dunks every year he entered. His in game dunks are not that special either Kobe is way more creative and had much better highlights. Dr J is also a overrated dunker he was just great for his time.
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous, I don't know where to start......Looks like somebody needs to check out the Dr. J documentary, don't say you've seen it because you obviously haven't if you think he was an overrated dunker....That guy could and did dunk on ANYBODY...And I mean ANYBODY.....

And you obviously didn't see the 4 hour MJ video if you think his in-game dunks are overrated in ANY way......Kobe is VERY creative, he might even be more creative than MJ when it comes to the types of dunks he does, that doesn't make his dunks better.

MJ has posterized more players than I can even remember from all angles and all distances.....

[eliteballer]

Kobe's a way better dunker, watch this if you have any doubts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

[Dro]

Kobe's a way better dunker, watch this if you have any doubts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U
:lol @ WAY better.....He's not better at all, let alone WAY better.....What is with you Kobe fans? He's not better than MJ in ANY category other than shooting 3's...I thought we established this a long time ago? I thought we had moved on to discussing how much better Lebron is than MJ....

[red1]

jordan is better at everything. how is this even a debate

[6 for 24]

jordan is better at everything. how is this even a debate

MJ doesn't have the killer instinct to keep going in the face of adversity, like Kobe does (both on and off the court). Case in point, is MJ a member of the prestigious 40-40 club (http://bkref.com/tiny/iUFEU) (40+ FGA on <40 FG%)? I think not, because he simply doesn't have the killer instincts and/or stamina to hoist so many shots when things may not be going his way. But Kobe knows that shots missed in the past do not affect shots taken in the present. Quite simply, he's the next evolution of MJ-- athleticism PLUS analysis.

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

[SpaceJammeR]

like someone said earlier a lot of people can do wind mills and 360 dunks. not many can look as good and smooth as jordan in air, if any. ex. his cradles, air walk, lean'n, free throw dunk etc. also got that extra elevation so it seems. and he absolutely demolishes a lot of bigs in his times. these kobe stans can't handle the truth. kobe will never be as good as jordan, he's a homeless man's jordan. kopy bryant.

[Dro]

Kobe has a mountain of posters over multiple defenders as well, just in that video I posted...and the fact that you think Jordan's speed is comparable to a guy like Westbrook shows how delusional you are.
Jordan probably has AT LEAST 3 times as many posters than Kobe does, I'm willing to bet that. And we KNOW he has more posters on better defenders/all-time greats, centers, etc.......

Kobe does he thing, but he's not MJ. Not dunking, not anything. He's just not...

And everybody likes to talk about Kobe's flair on his dunks. MJ has flair too. #5 is a perfect example. Dunking all on the dude and making it look smooth and easy as hell.......

[dreamwarrior]

I love MJ's dunks because most of his nicest dunks are for points and only a handful for show. Other guys dunked just to get on sports center

[roldy]

I don't understand why this hasn't been posted yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXo0x0ZiNoE

And though not the greatest dunk ever, this dunk doesn't seem to pop up on too many highlight reels either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTSoCKEA2ug

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe is one of the greatest in game dunkers of all time.

[played0ut]

I don't understand why this hasn't been posted yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXo0x0ZiNoE

And though not the greatest dunk ever, this dunk doesn't seem to pop up on too many highlight reels either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTSoCKEA2ug


And your opinion on how open/closed the lanes are compared to any of the MJ dunks posted above?

[poido123]

Not a big deal really. Both elite dunkers.

Kobe is a better dunker? Maybe, but can't be much in it.

[JohnMax]

Kobe vs Jordan top 10 dunks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hwxk-9z518)

OP is correct. Kobe is better.

[TheGreatDeraj]

I don't understand why this hasn't been posted yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXo0x0ZiNoE



came in to post this in response to this:



Show me any open court dunk Kobe did better then this one MJ did at the end of a game

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1055576_o.gif

[tpols]

like someone said earlier a lot of people can do wind mills and 360 dunks. not many can look as good and smooth as jordan in air, if any. ex. his cradles, air walk, lean'n, free throw dunk etc. also got that extra elevation so it seems. and he absolutely demolishes a lot of bigs in his times. these kobe stans can't handle the truth. kobe will never be as good as jordan, he's a homeless man's jordan. kopy bryant.

imo MJ has the open court hang time unmatched by anyone.. he can fly on guys but kobe's lack of one footed explosion allows him to compensate with better two foot leaping, which allows for a wider diversity of dunks.. Its just preference. Kobe's best dunks are top 5 ish of all time. Idk if thats better than jordan but its def close

[roldy]

And your opinion on how open/closed the lanes are compared to any of the MJ dunks posted above?

Part of the discussion involved open court dunks. I'm merely adding reference material.

But to answer your question, since it appears you would like assistance in assessing the ease of penetration: the lanes are open.

[Milbuck]

I'd say MJ's the better overall dunker, but Kobe is criminally underrated in that aspect. Whatever he lacks in athleticism that guys like Jordan, Lebron, Nique, etc had, he compensates for with a level of creativity and flair you just don't see anymore. I honestly have him in my top 5 in-game dunkers all time, not talking about contest dunking.

[sportjames23]

Some of ya'll yung nikkas gotta learn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRyG5bOOtY&list=PLBC6BAF51B1AA9D2D&index=110

[tpols]

I'd say MJ's the better overall dunker, but Kobe is criminally underrated in that aspect. Whatever he lacks in athleticism that guys like Jordan, Lebron, Nique, etc had, he compensates for with a level of creativity and flair you just don't see anymore. I honestly have him in my top 5 in-game dunkers all time, not talking about contest dunking.

n!gga you just stole my flow:coleman:

[Poetry]

Kobe is way more creative

What do you consider creative?

If you respond, consider that the definition of creativity is:

"Having or showing an ability to make new things or think of new ideas."

Again, what do you consider creative?

[jstern]

As someone who has gotten somewhat bored of dunking, due to so many years of seeing dunk after dunk, Jordan's athleticism puts him ahead for me.

Kobe's dunks are great, but due to the less athleticism, he has to due whatever movement he's trying to do while in the air really quick, and it always looks rushed to me.

Jordan looks like he's gliding in the air.

For example, look at Jordan's off hand in this gif that I got from this thread

http://i.minus.com/ibpDl5tUHcfmvW.gif

Whenever I try to jump, dunk in a lower hoop, I try to to mimic that, but I can't because since I don't have his athleticism, I have to put more effort and prepare to land sooner. It's something you have to try to understand. And sometimes I would look at a Kobe's off arm when he dunks, and it's moving wildly, because of that same reason.

I wanted to say that hours ago, but since everyone here sees me always picking Jordan over Kobe I decided not to.

[G-Funk]

Only great thing about Jordan's dunks is the ability to hold it with one hand.

[tpols]

As someone who has gotten somewhat bored of dunking, due to so many years of seeing dunk after dunk, Jordan's athleticism puts him ahead for me.

Kobe's dunks are great, but due to the less athleticism, he has to due whatever movement he's trying to do while in the air really quick, and it always looks rushed to me.

Jordan looks like he's gliding in the air.

For example, look at Jordan's off hand in this gif that I got from this thread

http://i.minus.com/ibpDl5tUHcfmvW.gif

Whenever I try to jump, dunk in a lower hoop, I try to to mimic that, but I can't because since I don't have his athleticism, I have to put more effort and prepare to land sooner. It's something you have to try to understand. And sometimes I would look at a Kobe's off arm when he dunks, and it's moving wildly, because of that same reason.

I wanted to say that hours ago, but since everyone here sees me always picking Jordan over Kobe I decided not to.

Dude... If Jordan has 99% genetic hops ability Kobe has 95%.


There's no comparison to you trying to dunk on your nephew on a 9 ft rim.

Theyre both elite beyond your interpersonal imagination. Both have soared and jammed on guys nearly a foot taller than them.. one has been a better one foot leaper and one has been better at creating off two. You cant just sit back and act like your extremely nostalgic opinion is fact

[jstern]

Dude... If Jordan has 99% genetic hops ability Kobe has 95%.


There's no comparison to you trying to dunk on your nephew on a 9 ft rim.

Theyre both elite beyond your interpersonal imagination. Both have soared and jammed on guys nearly a foot taller than them.. one has been a better one foot leaper and one has been better at creating off two. You cant just sit back and act like your extremely nostalgic opinion is fact

Who said Kobe wasn't an elite dunker, or unathlectic? He's not as athletic as Jordan, but it doesn't mean he's not.

I understood what I was saying, what I meant, since it's a subtle thing that I've look at for years, with interest that goes beyond both players and more about the physics of trying jump so that I could improve myself, while you're just reading my comment and getting defensive because you think I'm attacking Kobe.

[dubeta]

Call me when either Kobe or Jordan dunked from the FT line in the middle of a game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-n8c5BK5T0

[STATUTORY]

As someone who has gotten somewhat bored of dunking, due to so many years of seeing dunk after dunk, Jordan's athleticism puts him ahead for me.

Kobe's dunks are great, but due to the less athleticism, he has to due whatever movement he's trying to do while in the air really quick, and it always looks rushed to me.

Jordan looks like he's gliding in the air.



it's cause the jordan gifs are usually in slow motion

[GimmeThat]

because Kobe's ability to dunk didn't diminish much as he had gotten older

in fact, sometimes it amazed people.




while Jordan.


any good .gif of him dunking as a Wizard?
both old farts are getting up there.



worst post of the year?

[Milbuck]

Call me when either Kobe or Jordan dunked from the FT line in the middle of a game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-n8c5BK5T0
As soon as you call me when Lebron does it.

[dubeta]

As soon as you call me when Lebron does it.

thats much much closer than either of them has gotten

[scandisk_]

Call me when either Kobe or Jordan dunked from the FT line in the middle of a game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-n8c5BK5T0

ft line indeed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQLUvMNRQ-o

:bowdown:

[havoc33]

Kobe is one of the best in game dunkers ever. Not the best, but he's up there, and that's a testament to his creativity and skill, considering he cannot palm the ball and he is not as athletic as a MJ or VC.

Kobe is great both on the break and in traffic. He can pull off much smoother 360s and reverse jams than Jordan ever did. Kobe also perfected the baseline reverse (windmill) slam. It's his trademark move, really. Not many other players have this type of ability, and Jordan certainly never did these types of dunks. Give Kobe credit, he maximised whatever athletic ability and had and pulled off some amazing stuff. Makes you wonder what he would do if he had a higher vertical and a better one foot take off.

What Jordan has going for him though is his unrivalled hangtime and ability to palm the ball. That made him capable of doing some amazing breakaway dunks that no one really has done since. His rock the cradle with one hand, and that two handed double pump breakaway have never been duplicated in an NBA game as far as I know. And Jordan was a way better in the dunk contest of course, due to his freak abilities.

[Soundwave]

Kobe doesn't really have impressive hops coming off one foot which sorta limits him, he can't jump from as far out as Jordan or get as high above the rim.

That said I don't think MJ was really into doing things like 360s, just wasn't his style.

Vince Carter is better than both of them if we're talking pure dunking ability alone.

[andgar923]

Kobe is one of the best in game dunkers ever. Not the best, but he's up there, and that's a testament to his creativity and skill, considering he cannot palm the ball and he is not as athletic as a MJ or VC.

Kobe is great both on the break and in traffic. He can pull off much smoother 360s and reverse jams than Jordan ever did. Kobe also perfected the baseline reverse (windmill) slam. It's his trademark move, really. Not many other players have this type of ability, and Jordan certainly never did these types of dunks. Give Kobe credit, he maximised whatever athletic ability and had and pulled off some amazing stuff. Makes you wonder what he would do if he had a higher vertical and a better one foot take off.

What Jordan has going for him though is his unrivalled hangtime and ability to palm the ball. That made him capable of doing some amazing breakaway dunks that no one really has done since. His rock the cradle with one hand, and that two handed double pump breakaway have never been duplicated in an NBA game as far as I know. And Jordan was a way better in the dunk contest of course, due to his freak abilities.

The bolded red is false

[andgar923]

Call me when either Kobe or Jordan dunked from the FT line in the middle of a game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-n8c5BK5T0


ft line extended

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4FWMxEjTE

When taking into account the angle he dunked from, it's as close as Bron's.

Again, in game dunk from the same spot Bron took off from

http://youtu.be/038j-yrL0J4?t=2m36s

He didn't have time to gather himself properly and he reached across his body which causes his body to lose gravity.

There's another example of MJ taking off from the same spot Bron took off from vs the Celts but I gotta find it.

Either way, you'd think that the man that dunked from the ft line with ease during dunk contests (while simulating real game mechanics) would be able to do it in a game in which the adrenaline is usually higher. :confusedshrug:

[Godzuki]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[andgar923]

And seriously....

People want to compare Kobe to MJ's reverse dunks?

MJ took off from much further.

[andgar923]

I don't understand why this hasn't been posted yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXo0x0ZiNoE

And though not the greatest dunk ever, this dunk doesn't seem to pop up on too many highlight reels either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTSoCKEA2ug

Both nice, but let us not pretend MJ didn't do it either

http://youtu.be/UPRyG5bOOtY?t=4m13s

ON a defender, not just a passer by either.

[Dragonyeuw]

Kobe is great both on the break and in traffic. He can pull off much smoother 360s and reverse jams than Jordan ever did. Kobe also perfected the baseline reverse (windmill) slam. It's his trademark move, really. Not many other players have this type of ability, and Jordan certainly never did these types of dunks. Give Kobe credit, he maximised whatever athletic ability and had and pulled off some amazing stuff. Makes you wonder what he would do if he had a higher vertical and a better one foot take off.



Not through lack of athleticism, more like as time goes along newer players take what's been done before, and think up ways to top it. Jordan was obviously easily capable of 360's if we all agree that he was overall more athletic and explosive than Kobe was.

Kobe's one-legged, one-handed tomahawk style jams don't look nearly as good. He didn't get off the ground as high, and without that control of the ball like Jordan had with those hands, he had to cuff the ball or something to that effect to maintain control while in-air. Jordan could palm the ball easily and twist/contort it as he saw fit, leading to better looking dunks as a result.

[GimmeThat]

Not through lack of athleticism, more like as time goes along newer players take what's been done before, and think up ways to top it. Jordan was obviously easily capable of 360's if we all agree that he was overall more athletic and explosive than Kobe was.

Kobe's one-legged, one-handed tomahawk style jams don't look nearly as good. He didn't get off the ground as high, and without that control of the ball like Jordan had with those hands, he had to cuff the ball or something to that effect to maintain control while in-air. Jordan could palm the ball easily and twist/contort it as he saw fit, leading to better looking dunks as a result.

that's a great case for Dr. J having better dunks

[Calabis]

that's a great case for Dr. J having better dunks

I'm a Jordan fan and he damn sure does. :confusedshrug:

[Calabis]

Both nice, but let us not pretend MJ didn't do it either

http://youtu.be/UPRyG5bOOtY?t=4m13s

ON a defender, not just a passer by either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cIIuS_BvHM

2:03 mark

[havoc33]

Not through lack of athleticism, more like as time goes along newer players take what's been done before, and think up ways to top it. Jordan was obviously easily capable of 360's if we all agree that he was overall more athletic and explosive than Kobe was.

Kobe's one-legged, one-handed tomahawk style jams don't look nearly as good. He didn't get off the ground as high, and without that control of the ball like Jordan had with those hands, he had to cuff the ball or something to that effect to maintain control while in-air. Jordan could palm the ball easily and twist/contort it as he saw fit, leading to better looking dunks as a result.
Dude, Jordan's 360's sucked. Here is his 360 dunk from the 85 SDC...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpg4XYa4Bi8

Kobe did way better 360's than that IN GAME. I'm not saying Kobe is a better dunker though, just that they both had strenghts and weaknesses. Jordan liked to hang in the air and extend, which is why his 360's never looked particularly good. He probably didn't practice them as much either. Jordan's in game two handed reverse dunks were also inferior to Kobe's. Jordan is obviously a much better dunk contest dunker overall, and Kobe never had the same leaping ability as him. But Kobe was creative and he certainly maximized his dunking potential as far as he could IN GAME. Jordan never did any baseline reverse windmills for example, or behind the back reverse dunks. Then again, Kobe could not ever hope to achieve a rock the cradle breakaway like MJ did either.

[9erempiree]

I like Kobe better than Jordan.

Jumping high does not mean better dunker. Kobe is more fluid where I think MJ is a little too stiff. MJ uses his leaping ability and Kobe uses his agility.

You need to really appreciate Kobe by watching his dunks. The highlight video does no justice because you know he is going to dunk it. While watching him in a game, he will get you off your seat because he dunks on people when least expected.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Vince Carter


Yes Vince is the greatest nba dunker of all time. Too bad his overall game didn't match his dunking ability later on down the line if his nba career. he was on the verge of becoming something special, then he got hurt a couple of times, and then just stopped caring. watching both Carter and Sean Williams playing with Jason Kidd was a joy to watch, because both vince, and sean could get up there.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Kobe is one of the best in game dunkers ever. Not the best, but he's up there, and that's a testament to his creativity and skill, considering he cannot palm the ball and he is not as athletic as a MJ or VC.

Kobe is great both on the break and in traffic. He can pull off much smoother 360s and reverse jams than Jordan ever did. Kobe also perfected the baseline reverse (windmill) slam. It's his trademark move, really. Not many other players have this type of ability, and Jordan certainly never did these types of dunks. Give Kobe credit, he maximised whatever athletic ability and had and pulled off some amazing stuff. Makes you wonder what he would do if he had a higher vertical and a better one foot take off.

What Jordan has going for him though is his unrivalled hangtime and ability to palm the ball. That made him capable of doing some amazing breakaway dunks that no one really has done since. His rock the cradle with one hand, and that two handed double pump breakaway have never been duplicated in an NBA game as far as I know. And Jordan was a way better in the dunk contest of course, due to his freak abilities.

I seen Jordan do a 360 only once in the dunk contest, and it was pretty sick. Never seen Jordan do a 360 in a game before though.

[9erempiree]

Here is a good video of both of them with great music.

Purely Kobe gets the nod over MJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJvm6MdH_B8

[andgar923]

Dude, Jordan's 360's sucked. Here is his 360 dunk from the 85 SDC...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpg4XYa4Bi8

Kobe did way better 360's than that IN GAME. I'm not saying Kobe is a better dunker though, just that they both had strenghts and weaknesses. Jordan liked to hang in the air and extend, which is why his 360's never looked particularly good. He probably didn't practice them as much either. Jordan's in game two handed reverse dunks were also inferior to Kobe's. Jordan is obviously a much better dunk contest dunker overall, and Kobe never had the same leaping ability as him. But Kobe was creative and he certainly maximized his dunking potential as far as he could IN GAME. Jordan never did any baseline reverse windmills for example, or behind the back reverse dunks. Then again, Kobe could not ever hope to achieve a rock the cradle breakaway like MJ did either.

Almost everything people type about Kobe is utterly subjective. It's about aesthetic preference.

Whereas MJ's dunks were better because we could measure the distance, the height of how they were done, ie. Kobe never dunked from as far or got as high.

And in the same token as "MJ never did a reverse windmill dunk", Kobe never took off from the same distance, Kobe never never got the same height on his dunks, never rocked the one handed leaning windmill, the leaners, the one handed double pump, the two handed double pump over a crowd of defenders, rock the cradle from just inside the ft line, etc.etc.

Kobe also never skied over his defenders as much as MJ (not close). His dunks on people are mostly with him just getting over the rim. Another thing, MJ has more dunks ON body to body contact than Kobe.

Matter of fact, there's many dunks that MJ pulled off simply because he's a superior leaper that Kobe wouldn't be able to do because Kobe has to gather himself. Kobe would need that extra dribble to gather himself whereas MJ would just jump and dunk. Most of them are in transition or after making a move.

[havoc33]

Almost everything people type about Kobe is utterly subjective. It's about aesthetic preference.

Whereas MJ's dunks were better because we could measure the distance, the height of how they were done, ie. Kobe never dunked from as far or got as high.

And in the same token as "MJ never did a reverse windmill dunk", Kobe never took off from the same distance, Kobe never never got the same height on his dunks, never rocked the one handed leaning windmill, the leaners, the one handed double pump, the two handed double pump over a crowd of defenders, rock the cradle from just inside the ft line, etc.etc.

Kobe also never skied over his defenders as much as MJ (not close). His dunks on people are mostly with him just getting over the rim. Another thing, MJ has more dunks ON body to body contact than Kobe.

Matter of fact, there's many dunks that MJ pulled off simply because he's a superior leaper that Kobe wouldn't be able to do because Kobe has to gather himself. Kobe would need that extra dribble to gather himself whereas MJ would just jump and dunk. Most of them are in transition or after making a move.
LOL. So with all that you are actually saying that you agree with me then. :oldlol:

[andgar923]

LOL. So with all that you are actually saying that you agree with me then. :oldlol:
Yes and no.

I agree with some of your points, but disagreed with others.

[Poetry]

Kobe also perfected the baseline reverse (windmill) slam. It's his trademark move, really. Not many other players have this type of ability, and Jordan certainly never did these types of dunks.

Are you talking about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsWTocG1W1Y

MJ used it on occasion.

But I do consider it Kobe's trademark dunk. I've mentioned it before. It's the one I associate with Kobe the most, but other players have a variation of this dunk in their arsenal too.

[deja vu]

Okay Kobe can have it. That's the only thing he has over MJ. :lol

[Poetry]

This is the kind of baseline dunk I remember seeing MJ do once in a while.

I guess it's more of a baseline reverse up and under than a windmill (less gather), but the sweeping motion Kobe uses here is the kind MJ would have used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AhvxL-VnH8

[STATUTORY]

Here is a good video of both of them with great music.

Purely Kobe gets the nod over MJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJvm6MdH_B8

:oldlol: MJ dunks the same way each time, nod goes to Kobe for in game creativitiy and innovation

Mj played checkers, Kobe was playing chess

[Jasper]

Michael Jordan is a overrated dunker if you watch his dunk contest he does the same dunks every year he entered. His in game dunks are not that special either Kobe is way more creative and had much better highlights. Dr J is also a overrated dunker he was just great for his time.
amazing these threads question the greatest player that ever lived.
Would these same type threads appeared if he did not play baseball, and won more chips consec'etively :rolleyes:

[moe94]

ft line extended

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4FWMxEjTE

When taking into account the angle he dunked from, it's as close as Bron's.

Again, in game dunk from the same spot Bron took off from

http://youtu.be/038j-yrL0J4?t=2m36s

He didn't have time to gather himself properly and he reached across his body which causes his body to lose gravity.

There's another example of MJ taking off from the same spot Bron took off from vs the Celts but I gotta find it.

Either way, you'd think that the man that dunked from the ft line with ease during dunk contests (while simulating real game mechanics) would be able to do it in a game in which the adrenaline is usually higher. :confusedshrug:

LeBron's dunk was clearly from farther away. :biggums: