Amare to Sixers=bad idea unless..

[Dr.J4ever]

Stephen A. mentioned this the other day at First Take. Yes, we get it, the Knicks are dumping salary to sign whoever, like Lin beings absorbed by Philly so Houston can sign Bosh, but Houston may send a 1st round pick to Philly for this "favor".

In the case of Stat, what will Philly get out of this ? We have to be careful helping a division rival. Don't we?

[bagelred]

In the case of Stat, what will Philly get out of this ?

You get Amar'e Stoudemire for a year. Isn't your prized big man Embiid injured?

Oh, I forgot. 76ers plan is to be talentless and tank for the next 5-7 years...my bad.

[chocolatethunder]

Stephen A. mentioned this the other day at First Take. Yes, we get it, the Knicks are dumping salary to sign whoever, like Lin beings absorbed by Philly so Houston can sign Bosh, but Houston may send a 1st round pick to Philly for this "favor".

In the case of Stat, what will Philly get out of this ? We have to be careful helping a division rival. Don't we?
That'll never happen because the Knicks have no assets to trade along with the contract. If you watch Hinkies interviews or read about him you'll know to ignore stories like this because Hinkie does nothing for free. That dude got their first round pick back from Orlando and a second round pick just to move back two slots. Just like any story linking the Sixers to any free agent. Hinkie will not spend any money on any free agents in a multi year deal especially not a 6 or 8 million or whatever Bradley got. I mostly ignore and story about the Sixers because Hinkie is tight lipped. If there's a deal out there that makes you ask " what do the Sixers get?", you know that that deal is never gonna happen.

[chocolatethunder]

You get Amar'e Stoudemire for a year. Isn't your prized big man Embiid injured?

Oh, I forgot. 76ers plan is to be talentless and tank for the next 5-7 years...my bad.
Your jokes aside, the market is different now and teams looking to move expiring contracts have to sweeten the deal with picks for teams with cap space to absorb their shitty contracts. It's a buyer's market now and expiring contracts are burdens not assets. Certainly for a player like Amare who used to be good but has obviously declined. With Lin as well that's why any of the talks surrounding Lin have had Houston giving up a first round pick in order for a team to absorb his contract. Nash is in the same spot. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sixers got either of them in order to get future picks. I'm sure they'll be under the salary floor this year or near it which is really no big deal considering that the "penalty" is just making up the difference between the salary of the team and what the floor is. So you're only paying what you'd have to pay in the first place if you were at the floor.

[rogmatic]

I guess it depends on how bad the Knicks are, but 20m for a first round pick seems really expensive. I know management is rich (and I am not sure where they are in relation to the minimum), but I would think they would ask for more to take back that salary given that they are likely to be last in the division again.

[Dr.J4ever]

That'll never happen because the Knicks have no assets to trade along with the contract. If you watch Hinkies interviews or read about him you'll know to ignore stories like this because Hinkie does nothing for free. That dude got their first round pick back from Orlando and a second round pick just to move back two slots. Just like any story linking the Sixers to any free agent. Hinkie will not spend any money on any free agents in a multi year deal especially not a 6 or 8 million or whatever Bradley got. I mostly ignore and story about the Sixers because Hinkie is tight lipped. If there's a deal out there that makes you ask " what do the Sixers get?", you know that that deal is never gonna happen.

Yeah, let's stay away from the zen stuff from P.Jackson. I would hate to be hoodwinked by the Knicks.

The other thing is if we're unlucky, Stat may have a good year health wise, and with Noel and MCW take us to the freaking playoffs in a bad East. Then, ofcourse, the Celts get our 1st round pick.:no:

[bagelred]

Your jokes aside, the market is different now and teams looking to move expiring contracts have to sweeten the deal with picks for teams with cap space to absorb their shitty contracts. It's a buyer's market now and expiring contracts are burdens not assets. Certainly for a player like Amare who used to be good but has obviously declined. With Lin as well that's why any of the talks surrounding Lin have had Houston giving up a first round pick in order for a team to absorb his contract. Nash is in the same spot. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sixers got either of them in order to get future picks. I'm sure they'll be under the salary floor this year or near it which is really no big deal considering that the "penalty" is just making up the difference between the salary of the team and what the floor is. So you're only paying what you'd have to pay in the first place if you were at the floor.

OK the Sixers can just be a worthless franchise for another year. Have fun with that....maybe all those draft picks will make you relevant someday....

[DMAVS41]

Stephen A. mentioned this the other day at First Take. Yes, we get it, the Knicks are dumping salary to sign whoever, like Lin beings absorbed by Philly so Houston can sign Bosh, but Houston may send a 1st round pick to Philly for this "favor".

In the case of Stat, what will Philly get out of this ? We have to be careful helping a division rival. Don't we?

I earlier proposed Amare, Shumpert, Larkin, and pick for Thadeus Young.

[kshutts1]

As long as the team receiving Amare has salary space (off the top of my head.... Utah, Philly, Lakers, Charlotte, Boston) or a bad contract to send back to Knicks (Bucks with Sanders, Detroit sort of with Josh Smith, Boston with Wallace), then Amare + Hardaway JR + Shumpert should be enough incentive to absorb Amare's bad contract.

[Jailblazers7]

I'd be up for an Amare trade if we received Hardaway Jr.

[HurricaneKid]

As long as the team receiving Amare has salary space (off the top of my head.... Utah, Philly, Lakers, Charlotte, Boston) or a bad contract to send back to Knicks (Bucks with Sanders, Detroit sort of with Josh Smith, Boston with Wallace), then Amare + Hardaway JR + Shumpert should be enough incentive to absorb Amare's bad contract.


It would have to be a STAT, a #1, Hardaway and Shump for Thad.

Hinkie would be more than happy to take dead space, would probably even release Stat, but need to get PAID to take on that kind of salary.

[kshutts1]

It would have to be a STAT, a #1, Hardaway and Shump for Thad.

Hinkie would be more than happy to take dead space, would probably even release Stat, but need to get PAID to take on that kind of salary.
Knicks don't (realistically) have a #1 to trade. Pretty sure they can't trade any of them through 2018 or so? I don't follow them closely so not entirely sure on the details, but Bargs cost them two.. presumably 2014 and 2016. Which means they could trade 2018. But.... that's not realistic. Salary will be off the books before then, so not worth it.

On a tangent, I would love to see a team trade a 2215 first round pick. Would be epically hilarious.

[Dr.J4ever]

You get Amar'e Stoudemire for a year. Isn't your prized big man Embiid injured?

Oh, I forgot. 76ers plan is to be talentless and tank for the next 5-7 years...my bad.

Talentless? RoY MCW, super athletic big man Nerlens and the real top pick of 2013 Draft is ready, the real 2014 top pick Embiid will be ready in less than a year, Saric in 2 years, and a bunch of cap space.

The Sixers' future, both because of young players and position, looks as good as almost any team in the NBA.:applause:

[Thorpesaurous]

The going rate to take on that type of Dead Money last year I believe was two firsts. Isn't that what Utah got for taking on the Andres Bedrins and Richard Jefferson deals? And that's pretty close to what your asking someone to do for taking on Stat. It's not quite as bad because it's not eating two roster spots. But you'd still possibly be looking at Stat, a first, and a young asset, Larkin or Shump or Hardaway.

Somebody on here mentioned The Bucks as a possibility, and I haven't looked into it much, but just quickly it made some sense. I'm not sure what their cap situation looks like though.

[Johnny Jones]

Carl2680 (broke Kidd story) is saying that the Knciks are close to trading Stat and that ''I think I have to buy a Knicks Jersey with number 16.''

http://theknickswall.com/2014/07/08/carl2680-sees-future/

[Sarcastic]

76ers are around $23 million away from the salary floor. Either they can sign some long term deals, or they can trade for expirers like Amar'e. Knicks would send Shumpert along as well. They wouldn't send any other picks.

[HurricaneKid]

The going rate to take on that type of Dead Money last year I believe was two firsts. Isn't that what Utah got for taking on the Andres Bedrins and Richard Jefferson deals? And that's pretty close to what your asking someone to do for taking on Stat. It's not quite as bad because it's not eating two roster spots. But you'd still possibly be looking at Stat, a first, and a young asset, Larkin or Shump or Hardaway.

Somebody on here mentioned The Bucks as a possibility, and I haven't looked into it much, but just quickly it made some sense. I'm not sure what their cap situation looks like though.

Bucks don't have space for Stat. If you want back Mayo, Zaza, etc its easy enough. I just can't imagine you do (you shouldn't).

There just aren't many assets the Bucks would want either. Phil inherited a pretty barron cupboard.

[HurricaneKid]

76ers are around $30 million away from the salary floor. Either they can sign some long term deals, or they can trade for expirers like Amar'e. Knicks would send Shumpert along as well. They wouldn't send any other picks.

Thats an AWFUL trade proposal. People stop taking calls from you after proposals like that. Phil is gonna have to do better than that.

Again, Utah got 2 1st rd picks for taking on the same amount of salary last year. And there are plenty of teams looking to dump salary...

[Sarcastic]

Thats an AWFUL trade proposal. People stop taking calls from you after proposals like that. Phil is gonna have to do better than that.

Again, Utah got 2 1st rd picks for taking on the same amount of salary last year. And there are plenty of teams looking to dump salary...


That was a totally different deal. I don't think Utah was in danger of not reaching the minimum salary, so they didn't have a need as well. Philly actually has a need. They need to reach the salary floor. Their options are to 1) sign a free agents, who will be looking for multiple years, or 2) trade for an expirer.


If they want multiple year deals on their books, then by all means reject the deal.

[bluechox2]

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[D-Rose]

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[el gringos]

Bucks don't have space for Stat. If you want back Mayo, Zaza, etc its easy enough. I just can't imagine you do (you shouldn't).

There just aren't many assets the Bucks would want either. Phil inherited a pretty barron cupboard.
Hardaway JR and Larkin were both rumored to be targets for the bucks if Giannes didn't fall to then last year. Thanasis is a good prospect and brother of a key piece.


Yeah you'd have to take mayo back and Zaza but both could fill holes left by dealing 3 young guaurds and prob dalembert. The key pieces are Larry sanders and illyasova

[el gringos]

Hypothetically (and it prob won't happen) but let's say the 76rs took amare and cut 20 mill off the salary. Would that be enough to raise the offer for pau above 5?


What is the amount the Knicks have to get to to get the full mle?

[Rameek]

Stat + Shump + 3 mill and something else was SAS idea he heard.

If he's going to do a deal like this in the hopes to entice LBJ Zen better hurry up.

[Rameek]

Hardaway JR and Larkin were both rumored to be targets for the bucks if Giannes didn't fall to then last year. Thanasis is a good prospect and brother of a key piece.


Yeah you'd have to take mayo back and Zaza but both could fill holes left by dealing 3 young guaurds and prob dalembert. The key pieces are Larry sanders and illyasova

This is a deal to get cap for 2014 not to take on a mental case Sanders, underachiever Mayo, and foreign blah Ersan or a stiff like ZaZa

[MellowYellow]

It would have to be a STAT, a #1, Hardaway and Shump for Thad.

Hinkie would be more than happy to take dead space, would probably even release Stat, but need to get PAID to take on that kind of salary.

Hinkie would have to spend that salary to get the cap floor anyways fool.... #1 Hardaway and Shump is way too much and would probably make you a playoff team.

[el gringos]

This is a deal to get cap for 2014 not to take on a mental case Sanders, underachiever Mayo, and foreign blah Ersan or a stiff like ZaZa
That's why I wonder what amount of space it will take to get the mle, what kind of space it would take to get Lebron capspace.




The bucks idea is more of a competitor to the idea of getting Thad young back in a deal. I understand this amare + whatever for just capspace is for this season to add something.

[Jailblazers7]

76ers are around $23 million away from the salary floor. Either they can sign some long term deals, or they can trade for expirers like Amar'e. Knicks would send Shumpert along as well. They wouldn't send any other picks.

They don't have to do anything. All they have to do is field a roster. The penalty for falling under the floor and is actually a way to compensate the young players on the team for the tanking strategy.

[fatboy11]

You lost me a Stephen A.

[GOBB]

OK the Sixers can just be a worthless franchise for another year. Have fun with that....maybe all those draft picks will make you relevant someday....

Have fun being bad another year or as long as your NYK? You guys are still stuck in irrelevance as your prized free agent that you gutted the team for (players/picks) may be an ex NYK. But who cares you drafted his replacement. Oh wait that went to Denver. I guess we'll be seeing your knicks and my sixers in the lottery 2015...assuming that isnt gone by then. :roll:

[GOBB]

Hinkie would have to spend that salary to get the cap floor anyways fool.... #1 Hardaway and Shump is way too much and would probably make you a playoff team.

Like they made the Knicks. Oh wait :roll:

You cant be serious thinking Hardaway and Shump make the Sixers a playoff team.

[chocolatethunder]

That was a totally different deal. I don't think Utah was in danger of not reaching the minimum salary, so they didn't have a need as well. Philly actually has a need. They need to reach the salary floor. Their options are to 1) sign a free agents, who will be looking for multiple years, or 2) trade for an expirer.


If they want multiple year deals on their books, then by all means reject the deal.
They don't need to reach the salary floor. I'm pretty sure you don't have to be at the salary floor until the end of the year. Even then, the penalty is just the difference in where you are w total salaries and the salary floor. So you just pay what you would have to pay anyway and the extra money is divided amongst all the other players on the roster I believe.

[dontgetchoked]

the bulls were offering the knicks 2 firsts or mirotic/ for taking on boozers contract and knicks fans laughed like nah give us taj too but you guys think philly wants garbage ass shumpert in exchange for amare? at least boozer can get on the court. if i was philly i would want hardaway jr and a pick but im pretty sure they dont have any picks.

[Jailblazers7]

They don't need to reach the salary floor. I'm pretty sure you don't have to be at the salary floor until the end of the year. Even then, the penalty is just the difference in where you are w total salaries and the salary floor. So you just pay what you would have to pay anyway and the extra money is divided amongst all the other players on the roster I believe.

Yeah, which is basically just a way to work around the rookie salary structure to compensate guys like Nerlens and MCW for being on a shitty team during a rebuild. I'm sure the cap floor was just insurance that the players union wanted to guarantee a certain level of payment for its members but the owners are probably going to have to look into it.

If they actually want the cap floor team mean anything when it comes to competitive balance and team building then the penalty has to be something real.

[MellowYellow]

Like they made the Knicks. Oh wait :roll:

You cant be serious thinking Hardaway and Shump make the Sixers a playoff team.

MCW
Hardaway
Shump
Amare
Noel

That is a freakin LEGIT lineup as long as Hardaway and Shump make ANY improvement at all and Amare plays like he did after the all star break last year.

[GOBB]

MCW
Hardaway
Shump
Amare
Noel

That is a freakin LEGIT lineup as long as Hardaway and Shump make ANY improvement at all and Amare plays like he did after the all star break last year.

Not a playoff team and Amare is bought out soon as a trade is official. :no: