So it's only ok when Lebron tries to force his teammates outa Town?

[HOoopCityJones]

:biggums: Wtf

We all know he wants Bosh to walk so Melo can come.

Yet it's completely signed off by the same guys I see shitting on Kobe for supposedly running Shaq outta Town. At least there was actually bad blood between them.

Bosh actually considers Bron a Friend, a brother even, yet he's being treated like old coochie on the cheer squad and Lebron is the Quarterback.

[Kingwillball]

:biggums: Wtf

We all know he wants Bosh to walk so Melo can come.

Yet it's completely signed off by the same guys I see shitting on Kobe for supposedly running Shaq outta Town. At least there was actually bad blood between them.

Bosh actually considers Bron a Friend, a brother even, yet he's being treated like old coochie on the cheer squad and Lebron is the Quarterback.


:roll:

[IncarceratedBob]

Nobody likes or respects Bosh and they never have, I think it's kinda funny that LeBron is desperately hoping Bosh goes to Houston

[riseagainst]

as a long time lebron fan, Bosh is out of use for Lebron despite making clutch plays after clutch plays in these several championship years to bail Lebron out. Lebron only cares about himself. Remember i'm saying this all out of luv for my man lebron james. I'm a huge fan. Speaking with love.

[El Gato Negro]

this is some of the dumbest stuff ive heard on here lately, if miami wanted melo they could just renounce bosh and sign melo.

[navy]

You guys listen to rumors way too much. There is 0% chance Melo goes to Miami.

If Lebron stays Bosh stays, no Carmelo. If Lebron leaves, Bosh leaves, no Carmelo.

How is Lebron gonna force Bosh outta town?

[edrick]

OP, just so you know, a rumor is not the same thing as a fact.

[HOoopCityJones]

this is some of the dumbest stuff ive heard on here lately, if miami wanted melo they could just renounce bosh and sign melo.

Obviously all parties involved need to keep up appearances.

Carmelo doesn't wanna be a guy who forces another guy outta his Job on some Jkidd shit.

Pat wants to keep up the Heat's Family persona for future signings , and would dred the media shitstorm if they just flat out spurned Bosh in favor of the next big name after his contributions to four straight Finals.


Lebron and Wade could careless either way.

[HOoopCityJones]

OP, just so you know, a rumor is not the same thing as a fact.

Why is he highjacking the Market then? You really think he's taking his sweet time choosing between the Knicks and Lakers? Who're both far from contention with or without Melo?

I love my squad and i'd give the slight edge to them regardless, but thats only because the faith I have in Kobe to come back to form, and possibly resigning Gasol, but even then I doubt we take the West. Our season could easily end up like the Rockets or the Clippers the last few years.

[dubeta]

Difference is that lebron is already established as the alpha on the team, and he doesnt find much value in a soft 6'11 shooter allergic to rebounding

In Kobe's case he ran Shaq out of town cause of the feud between them since Kobe ratted out Shaq numerous times. Kobe was also jealous of Shaq's dominance, and didnt want to continue being a beta sidekick. The fact that the one time Kobe tried to play as the alpha and take all the shots (2004 finals) failed miserable only added to Kobe's jealousy

[theoneneo]

Lebron shouldn't be held to the same Standard as the Black mamba, lebron is too soft mentally. Do you realize how Alpha you have to be to have the greatest Center of all time kicked off your team so you can attempt to win by yourself? And then to actually win more than Shaq. Kobe's too boss.

[HOoopCityJones]

Difference is that lebron is already established as the alpha on the team, and he doesnt find much value in a soft 6'11 shooter allergic to rebounding

In Kobe's case he ran Shaq out of town cause of the feud between them since Kobe ratted out Shaq numerous times. Kobe was also jealous of Shaq's dominance, and didnt want to continue being a beta sidekick. The fact that the one time Kobe tried to play as the alpha and take all the shots (2004 finals) failed miserable only added to Kobe's jealousy

:facepalm

[Kvnzhangyay]

Don't forget Magic ran his coach out of town

[Lamar Odumbb]

Lebron wants Wade gone more than anything. Lebron, Bosh, Melo is better than Hardone, Coward, and Bosh.

[3ball]

It's easy to win a championship when you get to select to play for the team with the most talent each year.

lebron dilutes the value of his team achievements by doing this over and over...

that said, he should stay in the east - that way he can run off like 11 straight NBA Finals appearances.

[3ball]

Lebron's 2014 NBA Finals is a great example of how traditional "advanced" stats reveal very little about a player's style, and how a player's particular style impacts winning.. It's interesting.

For example, as fans we watch and comment on Lebron's game all year, and we know that Lebron is not a threat to take a lot of shots - this aspect of his play is exploitable because it reduces the need to double-team him, and this dynamic does not show up in the stat sheet despite it manifesting itself in the game increasingly as the competition level goes up.

But it's not just that his evolving style remains exploitable - his 2014 Finals demonstrates how not all PER's of the same value manifest themselves the same way on the court.. Lebron's 2014 Finals PER consisted of the lowest production ever for a top Finals PER (i.e. 4.0 assists.. 3.8 TO.. and 18.2 shots attempts - by far the lowest among top Finals PER's), but due to his high shooting efficiency, his Finals PER was at 31.8 through 4 games, according to FanSided (http://fansided.com/2014/06/14/stat-day-lebron-james-leads-nba-finals-per/#!baI5Kk)... (although it likely went down a few points after Game 5).

by comparison, Magic Johnson's PER in the 1987 Finals was 28.2 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-6), but he averaged 13.0 assists and 23.3 shots per game, and won.. Despite the lower PER, Magic countered the opponent's production with production, and this worked as it had for everyone else on the list, except Lebron, who was the only one to go with a shooting efficiency based approach to his game.

Here are the top Finals PER's ever.. http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/FinalsPerformances-1/greatest-finals-performances-no-1

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron's 2014 NBA Finals is a great example of how traditional "advanced" stats reveal very little about a player's style, and how a player's particular style impacts winning.

For example, as fans we watch and comment on Lebron's game all year, and we know that Lebron is not a threat to take a lot of shots - this aspect of his play is exploitable because it reduces the need to double-team him, and this dynamic does not show up in the stat sheet despite it manifesting itself in the game increasingly as the competition level goes up.

But it's not just that his evolving style remains exploitable - his 2014 Finals demonstrates how not all PER's of the same value manifest themselves the same way on the court.. Lebron's 2014 Finals PER consisted of the lowest production ever for a top Finals PER (i.e. 4.0 assists.. 3.8 TO.. and 18.2 shots attempts - by far the lowest among top Finals PER's), but due to his high shooting efficiency, his Finals PER was at 31.8 through 4 games, according to FanSided (http://fansided.com/2014/06/14/stat-day-lebron-james-leads-nba-finals-per/#!baI5Kk)... (although it likely went down a few points after Game 5).

by comparison, Magic Johnson's PER in the 1987 Finals was 28.2 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-6), but he averaged 13.0 assists and 23.3 shots per game, and won.. Despite the lower PER, Magic countered the opponent's production with production, and this worked as it had for everyone else on the list, except Lebron, who was the only one to go with a shooting efficiency based approach to his game.

Here are the top Finals PER's ever.. http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/FinalsPerformances-1/greatest-finals-performances-no-1


1) ESPN PER is not accurate and no one seriously cares about PER.

2) Magic's PER is lower because of pace...

3) PER is actually heavily dependent on Ast/TO...so not sure what the complaint is there

[3ball]

Exactly, Magic got 13 assists per game while Lebron got 4, so Lebron's PER is based on less production - Lebron made up for his production deficit by having a higher shooting percentage... But shooting percentage doesn't counter the Spurs production onslaught better than actual production itself would have.

So the complaint is that out of all the top Finals PER's in history, Lebron is the only one to lose because he's the only one to have a shooting-efficiency-driven PER, as opposed to the production-driven PER's that everyone else on the list had (and won their Finals with).

Lebron proved that shooting-efficiency-driven PER's do not drive winning as well as production-driven PER's...

You can't see the connection?.. Lebron was the first to use a shooting-efficiency strategy to achieve a top PER, and he's the first to lose his Finals while achieving that top PER.