why can't kobe be MVP next season?

[STATUTORY]

Kobe rejoins lakers, lakers go from lottery team back to playoff contender. Kobe puts up 25/5/5 on respectable percentages. are we gonna act like that's not compelling enough narrative for MVP?

[HurricaneKid]

Kobe rejoins lakers, lakers go from lottery team back to playoff contender. Kobe puts up 25/5/5 on respectable percentages. are we gonna act like that's not compelling enough narrative for MVP?

Why? Is he gonna ride Melo's coattails? Whose coattails??

[NumberSix]

Because he's not that good.

[dubeta]

cause hes gonna miss the playoffs

[LoneyROY7]

Kobe rejoins lakers, lakers go from lottery team back to playoff contender. Kobe puts up 25/5/5 on respectable percentages. are we gonna act like that's not compelling enough narrative for MVP?

25/5/5 on a "playoff contender" equals MVP now? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Harden's wondering where his trophy is...

[Jef]

apart from the fact that almost none of that is going to happen, youre right - why CAN'T kobe be mvp?

[STATUTORY]

Why? Is he gonna ride Melo's coattails? Whose coattails??
why not wade or bosh

followed by wiggins and kyrie

oh wait I'm confusing Kobe with someone else

[dreamwarrior]

I don't wanna say he's going to score 30ppg on 46% and win reg and finals MVP next year but that's exactly what's going to happen

[SouBeachTalents]

why not wade or bosh

followed by wiggins and kyrie

oh wait I'm confusing Kobe with someone else

Lol, LeBron has REALLY been carried by Bosh hasn't he

[Solefade]

cus kobe sucks?

[The Choken One]

cus kobe sucks?
2nd best SG ever

>sucks

lolok

[russwest0]

Eh, if Derrick Rose can win one why not? :confusedshrug:

[STATUTORY]

cus kobe sucks?
wade avatar? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Ne 1]

cus kobe sucks?
And poor Wade can't even shoot past 15 feet. :lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Because:

1. He's 36 and coming off of two lower body injuries and therefore probably not that good anymore (he'll be worse than 12-13 for sure)

2. Lakers will not even make the playoffs let alone be a top-end seed which is pretty essential to winning the MVP

[jstern]

Because he's only been MVP 1/18 times, so what makes you think he's all of a sudden is going to be good enough in the last years of his career, after missing virtually a whole season due to injury.

I realize you're fantasizing/day dreaming and felt it was compelling enough to share in a basketball forum, but you need to be realistic, not about Kobe's situation, but that you're seriously obsessed and feel that other people are going to be just as excited about your day dream.

[STATUTORY]

Because he's only been MVP 1/18 times, so what makes you think he's all of a sudden is going to be good enough in the last years of his career, after missing virtually a whole season due to injury.

I realize you're fantasizing/day dreaming and felt it was compelling enough to share in a basketball forum, but you need to be realistic, not about Kobe's situation, but that's you're seriously obsessed and feel that other people are going to be just as excited about your day dream.

:facepalm this kid talking about daydreaming and fantasizing while walking around with an avatar of roided up jeremy lin

[G.O.A.T]

Kobe rejoins lakers, lakers go from lottery team back to playoff contender. Kobe puts up 25/5/5 on respectable percentages. are we gonna act like that's not compelling enough narrative for MVP?


How many 25/5/5 on eight seeds have finished in the top five of MVP voting?

Kobe is old, too old to be an MVP candidate and too old to be being paid 25 million.

If you're a Kobe fan just start rooting for him to catch Kareem's scoring record, that's the only thing he can still achieve unless he accepts that he is not worth 25 million or even half that anymore.

[magnax1]

Because hes ancient.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe and Rose will battle for comeback POY

[magnax1]

How many 25/5/5 on eight seeds have finished in the top five of MVP voting?

Kobe is old, too old to be an MVP candidate and too old to be being paid 25 million.

If you're a Kobe fan just start rooting for him to catch Kareem's scoring record, that's the only thing he can still achieve unless he accepts that he is not worth 25 million or even half that anymore.
With how much money he rakes in the destructiveness of that contract is way over stated. Hes arguably the most popular guy in the league and the Lakers are the most popular team in the league. They should have no trouble taking on massive tax burdens if needed.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

With how much money he rakes in the destructiveness of that contract is way over stated. Hes arguably the most popular guy in the league and the Lakers are the most popular team in the league. They should have no trouble taking on massive tax burdens if needed.
No one should give a **** about how much money he makes the Lakers.. He's not worth it as a basketball player..

[G.O.A.T]

With how much money he rakes in the destructiveness of that contract is way over stated. Hes arguably the most popular guy in the league and the Lakers are the most popular team in the league. They should have no trouble taking on massive tax burdens if needed.

Then wait to sign the contract until after your team adds free agents.

It's not that he's not worth it in terms of what he means to the franchise, he's worth 50-75 million at least in that respect, but under the current system, his contract makes it impossible for the Lakers to be a contender.

Let's say they sign Carmelo or trade for Love. They will be down to 5 million dollars under the cap and have seven guys under contract, Kobe, Nash (whichever guy they sign) Kendal Marshall, Robert Sacre and two rookies. Put Kobe at 15 or 16 million and they could add another near max deal or two quality rotation guys.

I just don't see how he can say he wants to win, look at what Duncan and LeBron have done with their contracts and then take that money.

[Mure]

Because he'll average 12/4/2 on 38%.

[magnax1]

Then wait to sign the contract until after your team adds free agents.

It's not that he's not worth it in terms of what he means to the franchise, he's worth 50-75 million at least in that respect, but under the current system, his contract makes it impossible for the Lakers to be a contender.

Let's say they sign Carmelo or trade for Love. They will be down to 5 million dollars under the cap and have seven guys under contract, Kobe, Nash (whichever guy they sign) Kendal Marshall, Robert Sacre and two rookies. Put Kobe at 15 or 16 million and they could add another near max deal or two quality rotation guys.

I just don't see how he can say he wants to win, look at what Duncan and LeBron have done with their contracts and then take that money.
They can do what the nets did and go way over the soft cap. The salary cap still isn't very restrictive. They just can't sign free agents directly.
EDIT:In other words its really just up to the owner to be willing to take on big luxury tax fines. I dont blame Kobe for making the owner pay for the team instead of him.

[outbreak]

because even if he comes back well there is 0 chance he will be the consensus best player in the league.

[G.O.A.T]

They can do what the nets did and go way over the soft cap. The salary cap still isn't very restrictive. They just can't sign free agents directly.
EDIT:In other words its really just up to the owner to be willing to take on big luxury tax fines. I dont blame Kobe for making the owner pay for the team instead of him.

So if they can't sign free agents directly and they have no desirable movable pieces, and they need to match salaries to make a trade, how do they get better?

What did the Nets do that the Lakers can do?

[Ne 1]

because even if he comes back well there is 0 chance he will be the consensus best player in the league.
MVP = who the media decides the best story is, not the consensus best player I'm the league.

[oarabbus]

Because he ain't Tim Duncan.

[6 for 24]

If you're a Kobe fan just start rooting for him to catch Kareem's scoring record, that's the only thing he can still achieve

Not true! Kobe has the most important NBA record in his sights: the all-time PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)™ leader. Karl Malone leads this with a score of 39398 but Kobe is right on his heels at 33863. So he just needs to fire up 6000 more shots to be crowned the ultimate chucker. If the self-proclaimed Black Mamba is focused, he should be able to do this easily in just two seasons, firing up, say, 30 FGA and 10 FTA PER™ game for a respectable 25 ppg or so. It will be must-see TV as he encroaches upon the record for sure!

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

[red1]

this guy barely won one when he was in his prime and now he is suddenly going to win one as an old scrub. ok there :lol

[magnax1]

So if they can't sign free agents directly and they have no desirable movable pieces, and they need to match salaries to make a trade, how do they get better?

What did the Nets do that the Lakers can do?
IDK everything they've done, but its mostly through trades where they took on more salary then they gave (You only need to be within 75% of the value I think+ lots of teams have trade exceptions) Last year the Nets were 50 million over the 60 millionish cap I think. It's not hard at all to go over, but you have to trade for bad contracts like Johnson or KG a lot.

[jstern]

[QUOTE=6 for 24]Not true! Kobe has the most important NBA record in his sights: the all-time PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[G.O.A.T]

IDK everything they've done, but its mostly through trades where they took on more salary then they gave (You only need to be within 75% of the value I think+ lots of teams have trade exceptions) Last year the Nets were 50 million over the 60 millionish cap I think. It's not hard at all to go over, but you have to trade for bad contracts like Johnson or KG a lot.

I know you're not suggesting that they make bad moves, but unless I'm missing something, the Lakers can't do what the Nets did, because they don't have what the Nets had.

To get the D-Williams, Garnett, Pierce and Johnson they traded the following:

Lottery Pick Derrick Favors
7 First Round Draft Picks and a possible swap in 2017.
1 Second Round Pick
Kris Humphries (12 mil)
Gerald Wallace (10 mil)
Devin Harris (9 mil)
Jordan Farmar (4 mil)
Anthony Morrow (4 mil)
DeShawn Stevenson (3 mil)
Johan Petro (3 mil)
Kieth Bogans (2 mil)


The Lakers don't have the time or the assets or the contracts.

[MellowYellow]

Even prime Kobe couldn't carry scrubs to the playoffs, reference: mid 2000's, how is 36 year old Kobe going to??

[Hey Yo]

MVP = who the media decides the best story is, not the consensus best player I'm the league.
Team record has been a major part of the vote for quite sometime.

[magnax1]

I know you're not suggesting that they make bad moves, but unless I'm missing something, the Lakers can't do what the Nets did, because they don't have what the Nets had.

To get the D-Williams, Garnett, Pierce and Johnson they traded the following:

Lottery Pick Derrick Favors
7 First Round Draft Picks and a possible swap in 2017.
1 Second Round Pick
Kris Humphries (12 mil)
Gerald Wallace (10 mil)
Devin Harris (9 mil)
Jordan Farmar (4 mil)
Anthony Morrow (4 mil)
DeShawn Stevenson (3 mil)
Johan Petro (3 mil)
Kieth Bogans (2 mil)


The Lakers don't have the time or the assets or the contracts.
To be clear I dont think the lakers WILL do it but right now they have
Paus bird rights (I think)
Randle
Cap space
1st rounders they can trade
Its not as much as Brooklyn but they can take on a lot of pieces that other teams might want to get rid of or just trade away first rounders.

[Hey Yo]

I know you're not suggesting that they make bad moves, but unless I'm missing something, the Lakers can't do what the Nets did, because they don't have what the Nets had.

To get the D-Williams, Garnett, Pierce and Johnson they traded the following:

Lottery Pick Derrick Favors
7 First Round Draft Picks and a possible swap in 2017.
1 Second Round Pick
Kris Humphries (12 mil)
Gerald Wallace (10 mil)
Devin Harris (9 mil)
Jordan Farmar (4 mil)
Anthony Morrow (4 mil)
DeShawn Stevenson (3 mil)
Johan Petro (3 mil)
Kieth Bogans (2 mil)


The Lakers don't have the time or the assets or the contracts.
Lakers current roster. Minus Kamen and Farmar.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers

[magnax1]

Lakers current roster. Minus Kamen and Farmar.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers
I forgot Nashs contract was that big. Thats actually a really useful piece. Im sure theyll do something with it.

[ball4life27]

wade avatar? :roll: :roll: :roll:
he is garbage that why

[Knoe Itawl]

I googled your signiture, Ayotunde Ndiaye and found this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZbgoC6MiSM

It was actually pretty funny.

:oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe can be MVP next season.

If anyone can do it at this age after those injuries, Kobe has the skill to do so.

Top 5 all time.