I'm pretty sure Bron is going back to Cleveland.

[WeGetRing2012]

Plugged in source says 90 percent chance @KingJames returns to #Cavs, & it'll be announced on http://lebronjames.com

- Via Chris Sheridan

And Check out the header on the website

[IncarceratedBob]

Savannah James @QueenJames
Love hearing the name ideas for our next child! She's gonna Love growing up in Cleveland ;-) Cheers!

[STATUTORY]

it's a done deal, :roll: wade crying, relentlessly calling Bron's phone and getting the answering machine every time

[1~Gibson~1]

:pimp:

[Spaulding]

ya...then he posts this 4 minutes ago.

Chris Sheridan @sheridanhoops

[red1]

it's a done deal, :roll: wade crying, relentlessly calling Bron's phone and getting the answering machine every time
"only three nba championships"

http://www.pageqsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Dwyane-wade-Sad1.jpg

[Thunderfan86]

I wish this would just end already :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

it's a done deal, :roll: wade crying, relentlessly calling Bron's phone and getting the answering machine every time

Damn son.. :oldlol: What did wade ever do to you?

[Meticode]

If you go to lebronjames.com and go all the way at the bottom, click on that Heat icon, has he always had that icon say "I Promise" in it? Whether it changed recently or it was up there original for a long time, just weird.

[Heatles201]

If you go to lebronjames.com and go all the way at the bottom, click on that Heat icon, has he always had that icon say "I Promise" in it? Whether it changed recently or it was up there original for a long time, just weird.

It has to do with a foundation his family has set up, he even wears the wristband " I promise" in games a lot. Nothing to do with his current FA status

[Meticode]

It has to do with a foundation his family has set up, he even wears the wristband " I promise" in games a lot. Nothing to do with his current FA status
Yea I saw that after I searched site. My ignorance.

[jzek]

4 #1 overall picks

Has a team ever even had a mere 2 #1 overall picks in their roster? Cavs about to double that number :wtf:

Cavs fan since '14 :bowdown:

[Meticode]

Retweeted by Probasketballdraft
Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops 1h
Plugged in source says 90 percent chance @KingJames returns to #Cavs, & it'll be announced on http://lebronjames.com : http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/08/sheridans-top-25-free-agents-july-8-edition/

[IncarceratedBob]

4 #1 overall picks

Has a team ever even had a mere 2 #1 overall picks in their roster? Cavs about to double that number :wtf:

Cavs fan since '14 :bowdown:
Magic, Kareem, Worthy and Thompson

[Heatles201]

[QUOTE=Meticode]Retweeted by Probasketballdraft
Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops 1h
Plugged in source says 90 percent chance @KingJames returns to #Cavs, & it'll be announced on http://lebronjames.com : http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/08/sheridans-top-25-free-agents-july-8-edition/

[oh the horror]

Cavs fan since '14 :bowdown:



I know this is supposed to be funny but is this mentality that I'm sure many will adopt here the most sub human shit in sports or what?

[STATUTORY]

Damn son.. :oldlol: What did wade ever do to you?
dat punk ass hoe thought he was better than COLBY!? :lol

ni99a crying now, blowing up Lebron's cellular and dat box of kleenex

[WeGetRing2012]

Magic, Kareem, Worthy and Thompson

Nice.

[Heavincent]

Cavs fan since 64.

[RedBlackAttack]

Chris Sheridan is a hack, but I'm hearing he's coming back from people I trust. I now believe it.

The word is that LeBron met with Wade today and told him his plans... Wade gave him his blessing.

[Meticode]

Chris Sheridan is a hack, but I'm hearing he's coming back from people I trust. I now believe it.
Like people you personally know or people you trust in the media that post stuff? Examples?

[fpliii]

Chris Sheridan is a hack, but I'm hearing he's coming back from people I trust. I now believe it.

The word is that LeBron met with Wade today and told him his plans... Wade gave him his blessing.
Damn.

What a weird situation.

[RedBlackAttack]

Like people you personally know or people you trust in the media that post stuff? Examples?
No, not people in the media. These are insiders that I trust who have sources within the organization. Some of them are posting publicly over at RCF. But, all are agreeing that this thing is done. He's coming back.

[RedBlackAttack]

Damn.

What a weird situation.
I'd say "weird" pretty well sums things up. :eek:

WTF is going on?

[inclinerator]

when's the deadline

[oh the horror]

I'll admit. Bron on that team with those youngsters would be entertaining to watch. Especially if Wiggins exhibits some flashes and brilliance early.

[fpliii]

I'd say "weird" pretty well sums things up. :eek:

WTF is going on?
I totally expected him to return at the end of his career for a one or two year thing after the fact.

But returning at his peak? A whole lot must be going on behind closed doors.

Just wondering...do you expect Wiggins to be on the roster come opening night if LeBron indeed returns? Or will he be moved for Love or someone of the sort?

[RedBlackAttack]

when's the deadline
There won't technically be a "deadline" for some time, but we're likely to know by July 10, which is the first day FAs can actually sign with new teams.

I'm hearing the announcement is likely to come tomorrow.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'll admit. Bron on that team with those youngsters would be entertaining to watch. Especially if Wiggins exhibits some flashes and brilliance early.
I'm concerned about Wiggins being moved in a deal for Love. I don't want that to happen tbh.

[Jailblazers7]

Chris Sheridan is a hack, but I'm hearing he's coming back from people I trust. I now believe it.

The word is that LeBron met with Wade today and told him his plans... Wade gave him his blessing.

Damn, this season is going to be entertaining as hell.

[RedBlackAttack]

I totally expected him to return at the end of his career for a one or two year thing after the fact.

But returning at his peak? A whole lot must be going on behind closed doors.

Just wondering...do you expect Wiggins to be on the roster come opening night if LeBron indeed returns? Or will he be moved for Love or someone of the sort?
Really hoping we hold on to Wiggins. I really have no interest in moving him in a potential Love deal, especially since we shouldn't need to. Plenty of other young pieces, future picks, good contracts we can move that no other team in the running for Love can even approach.

I think we should be able to get him without moving Wiggins.

[oh the horror]

I'm concerned about Wiggins being moved in a deal for Love. I don't want that to happen tbh.


If I'm Cleveland I tell Minnesota to take picks, Waiters and whatever. Kyrie and Wiggins should be a no no.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

cavs should move bron for love

[RedBlackAttack]

I have to move off of the computer temporarily. If I hear anything else, I'll let you guys know. :wtf:

[fpliii]

Really hoping we hold on to Wiggins. I really have no interest in moving him in a potential Love deal, especially since we shouldn't need to. Plenty of other young pieces, future picks, good contracts we can move that no other team in the running for Love can even approach.

I think we should be able to get him without moving Wiggins.
Agreed, I like the possibilities with Wiggins a ton. Love his potential, and I think he and Embiid are both generational talents from this draft class.

Stupid question, but can you guys get Bosh somehow in a sign and trade? There were tweets floating around recently about him not wanting to sign with the Rockets because he wants to play with LeBron. I remember there being something about a trade not going down to Cleveland because Bosh wouldn't commit to resign before the first decision, but I don't know how much of that was rumor, and how much was linked to him not knowing whether or not LeBron would stay.

[Black and White]

Chris Sheridan is a hack, but I'm hearing he's coming back from people I trust. I now believe it.

The word is that LeBron met with Wade today and told him his plans... Wade gave him his blessing.

Are you serious???? Any more info RBA?? Has he spoken to Riley or anything? Also have the Cavs found a third team to move Jacks contract?

[Heatles201]

Are you serious???? Any more info RBA?? Has he spoken to Riley or anything? Also have the Cavs found a third team to move Jacks contract?
According to Woj hes meeting tomorrow with Pat Riley, he had practice with Wade today in his camp
Edit: to be exact they had dinner last night no idea what was talked during it (wade&bron) and today just practiced some ball

[Meticode]

WTF Dion Waiters just Retweeted this, then he removed it. :oldlol:

Retweeted by Dion Waiters
Darnell Duke ‏@Duke19138 5h
Send @dionwaiters3 2 @Sixers max contract 💯 @espn @PhillySoc @TheJetOnTNT @JonandSeanShow @AlexKennedyNBA @nba #nba

[fpliii]

WTF Dion Waiters just Retweeted this, then he removed it. :oldlol:

Retweeted by Dion Waiters
Darnell Duke ‏@Duke19138 5h
Send @dionwaiters3 2 @Sixers max contract 💯 @espn @PhillySoc @TheJetOnTNT @JonandSeanShow @AlexKennedyNBA @nba #nba
:biggums:

[Thunderfan86]

WTF Dion Waiters just Retweeted this, then he removed it. :oldlol:

Retweeted by Dion Waiters
Darnell Duke ‏@Duke19138 5h
Send @dionwaiters3 2 @Sixers max contract 💯 @espn @PhillySoc @TheJetOnTNT @JonandSeanShow @AlexKennedyNBA @nba #nba
What does this even mean? I'm not up on the whole twitter language

[Black and White]

According to Woj hes meeting tomorrow with Pat Riley, he had practice with Wade today in his camp
Edit: to be exact they had dinner last night no idea what was talked during it (wade&bron) and today just practiced some ball

So confusing, I mean, I want LeBron to go home, but I feel like the Heat are getting shafted, if Wade gave him his blessing then I respect him for that but if LeBron thought going home was a massive possibility he should have let them know so that the Heat have a backup plan (maybe they already do??)

[Black and White]

What does this even mean? I'm not up on the whole twitter language

Send Waiters to Phily for a max deal

[Meticode]

Apparently Wine and Gold on 92.1 said "it's happening" and they shut down realcavsfans.com forum keeping people out of the forum because they're going nuts. :roll:

[Magic 32]

"only three nba championships"

http://www.pageqsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Dwyane-wade-Sad1.jpg

Could have won the 2011 championship + FMVP with Bosh and better role players.

Gets stuck with 2 Pippen rings.

Lebron laughing all the way home.

Poor guy.

[Meticode]

What does this even mean? I'm not up on the whole twitter language
Basically someone said "Send Waiters 2 Philly" and Dion Retweeted it since it's his hometown, then he took it down like 2-3 minutes later and immediately posted this...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsEU8DhCcAITeA5.jpg

https://twitter.com/dionwaiters3/status/486694632139407360

Also, here's a side note. Here's Anthony Bennett working out. Looks like he's finally in shape...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsETsWtCMAAd-w4.jpg

[Godzuki]

it would have been so great if Lebron wanted to go back to CLE but CLE denied him :lol

[Heatles201]

So confusing, I mean, I want LeBron to go home, but I feel like the Heat are getting shafted, if Wade gave him his blessing then I respect him for that but if LeBron thought going home was a massive possibility he should have let them know so that the Heat have a backup plan (maybe they already do??)

The word is that whatever the hell Riley has been working on he's going to explain to LeBron tomorrow and apparently LeBron knew that the Heat were going after McRoberts before they got him. But in all sincerity I don't think anyone other than LeBron knows what the hell is going on, hes been like extremely silent and my personal opinion if the rosters stay intact ( say big 3 resign and we just sign in fillers like re sign Chalmers etc) Cleveland has way more potential long term and thats because D-Wade is a huge huge question mark

[WeGetRing2012]

Going back to Cleveland would be the best move for Lebron. His brand would improve drastically,he would play on a better team than the one in MIA, and he would be back home.

Nike already works with Irving & Manziel. Im not sure if Wiggins has signed on yet.

Playing with a real PG and an SG that can take over would expand his career even further.

The public perception about him would change and could get possibly even more endorsement money.

He would get to raise he new born girl and two boys back at home. Im sure his wife wants to go home to their friends and family so bad.

Finally, he has NOTHING left to prove in MIA.

[Meticode]

There's so much speculation people are throwing out there right now. Some people feel that Wade's dinner last night and visit today was to talk to Wade about going back to Cleveland and kind of feeling if it was okay with that or to "get his blessing".

:oldlol:

I think Twitter is going to break tomorrow.

[Black and White]

The word is that whatever the hell Riley has been working on he's going to explain to LeBron tomorrow and apparently LeBron knew that the Heat were going after McRoberts before they got him. But in all sincerity I don't think anyone other than LeBron knows what the hell is going on, hes been like extremely silent and my personal opinion if the rosters stay intact ( say big 3 resign and we just sign in fillers like re sign Chalmers etc) Cleveland has way more potential long term and thats because D-Wade is a huge huge question mark

Thats where I think the selling point is for LeBron, the team in Cleveland is much younger and can take huge loads off of LeBron (ball running through Kyrie and Wiggins), and when LeBron gets older that core will be in their prime and can carry the load, all they need right now is a leader to put them in the right direction, its a gamble but in 1 or 2 years they will be eating the East alive.

[Meticode]

Going back to Cleveland would be the best move for Lebron. His brand would improve drastically,he would play on a better team than the one in MIA, and he would be back home.

Nike already works with Irving & Manziel. Im not sure if Wiggins has signed on yet.

Playing with a real PG and an SG that can take over would expand his career even further.

The public perception about him would change and could get possibly even more endorsement money.

He would get to raise he new born girl and two boys back at home. Im sure his wife wants to go home to their friends and family so bad.

Finally, he has NOTHING left to prove in MIA.
I've said this before he ever left, but personally I feel bringing a championship to a city that hasn't had one in any major sport in exactly half a century would solidify his legacy versus multiple ones in Miami.

[WeGetRing2012]

Basically someone said "Send Waiters 2 Philly" and Dion Retweeted it since it's his hometown, then he took it down like 2-3 minutes later and immediately posted this...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsEU8DhCcAITeA5.jpg

https://twitter.com/dionwaiters3/status/486694632139407360

Also, here's a side note. Here's Anthony Bennett working out. Looks like he's finally in shape...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsETsWtCMAAd-w4.jpg

I forget about Bennet

[Yankstar]

I got some respect for Bron if he does this. Forging his own future away from the big three, similar to what another young player did after rejecting a top 10 great out of his franchise.

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Shaquille+O+Neal+Kobe+Bryant+Phoenix+Suns+GD-eG1y6p7Wl.jpg

[Heatles201]

Thats where I think the selling point is for LeBron, the team in Cleveland is much younger and can take huge loads off of LeBron (ball running through Kyrie and Wiggins), and when LeBron gets older that core will be in their prime and can carry the load, all they need right now is a leader to put them in the right direction, its a gamble but in 1 or 2 years they will be eating the East alive.

If i was in his position and Pat told me he can't improve the roster i would go back to Cleveland, our team is just getting too old and what i mean by that while Wade's only 32 he's a old 32 His knee's are like done never have i ever saw Wade huffing and puffing like he was doing in the finals it was sad to see. While in Cleveland if Wiggins pans out and Kyrie plays great alongside Bron i mean thats a show you can't miss

[WeGetRing2012]

I've said this before he ever left, but personally I feel bringing a championship to a city that hasn't had one in any major sport in exactly half a century would solidify his legacy versus multiple ones in Miami.

Yeah and even he came up short for the rest of his career he would still be the biggest sports figure to ever play in Cleveland. Going back to Cleveland would put Lebron in the humble light that other players like Duncan & Dirk are in. Playing your heart out for your small hometown team could add to his legacy even without another ring.

[Black and White]

If i was in his position and Pat told me he can't improve the roster i would go back to Cleveland, our team is just getting too old and what i mean by that while Wade's only 32 he's a old 32 His knee's are like done never have i ever saw Wade huffing and puffing like he was doing in the finals it was sad to see. While in Cleveland if Wiggins pans out and Kyrie plays great alongside Bron i mean thats a show you can't miss

Kyrie showed some promise at the all-star game next to LeBron, I wonder if that sparked his intrest in going back?

[poido123]

It's a nice fairytale for Lebron to go back and fulfill his promise, but let's not act like he's not going to a significantly better team than his current one with loads of young talent.

Bennett looks fit and ready in his second year, TT will be solid, Irving is a star, Varejao is a good player when fit, Waiters is a question mark to return to the Cavs, drafted a potential superstar in Wiggins.

What is hard about this decision?

Why would Lebron choose a broken down wade and disappearing bosh over the talent over in Cleveland? He would be mad not to go there.

While I think it's great for the Cavs fans starving for success and redemption, Lebron would in some kind of way still be making a b.itch move going back to Cleveland now the talent is loaded there. :confusedshrug:

[Kingwillball]

IF he goes back I don't think he wants to wait two or three years before contending for a championship so I think Clev has a plan to bring in another proven Vet like Love. If Cavs can keep Wiggins and Trade lets say Thompson and Waiters and Draft pick go for Love. Irving,Wiggins,Lebron,Love,Andy V with Bennet Zeller maybe add another Vet like Ray Allen, along with Jack ext Clev would have a nice mix of Youth and veterans.

[DMAVS41]

IF he goes back I don't think he wants to wait two or three years before contending for a championship so I think Clev has a plan to bring in another proven Vet like Love. If Cavs can keep Wiggins and Trade lets say Thompson and Waiters and Draft pick go for Love. Irving,Wiggins,Lebron,Love,Andy V with Bennet Zeller maybe add another Vet like Ray Allen, along with Jack ext Clev would have a nice mix of Youth and veterans.

For sure.

I don't see any way Lebron goes there and they don't trade for Love or another superstar.

Would be stupid not to in my opinion.


I know it's not Lebron's fault this time around, but Cavs fans getting their hopes up again just to be let down would be brutal. I really hope he goes back...would make the NBA even more interesting than it already is.

[poido123]

IF he goes back I don't think he wants to wait two or three years before contending for a championship so I think Clev has a plan to bring in another proven Vet like Love. If Cavs can keep Wiggins and Trade lets say Thompson and Waiters and Draft pick go for Love. Irving,Wiggins,Lebron,Love,Andy V with Bennet Zeller maybe add another Vet like Ray Allen, along with Jack ext Clev would have a nice mix of Youth and veterans.


One foot reaching out to the new bandwagon. :oldlol:

[Black and White]

For sure.

I don't see any way Lebron goes there and they don't trade for Love or another superstar.

Would be stupid not to in my opinion.


I know it's not Lebron's fault this time around, but Cavs fans getting their hopes up again just to be let down would be brutal. I really hope he goes back...would make the NBA even more interesting than it already is.

It would make it even more interesting if Carmelo then chose Chicago and the Heat re-tooled around Wade and Bosh with the LeBron money......

[Mr. Incredible]

One foot reaching out to the new bandwagon. :oldlol:
You bandwagon to every LeBron/Heat thread.

[paintingshade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtqZgfFKgQ

[poido123]

You bandwagon to every LeBron/Heat thread.


That makes no sense. :oldlol:


I'm assuming you will be in every Cavs gamethread once Lebron signs over too? :lol

[fragokota]

Legacy move if this actually happens.Of course it's not like he would return if Cle hadn't had a young talented core.But still it will be a classic redemption story if he goes back.

[navy]

One foot reaching out to the new bandwagon. :oldlol:
I wonder if a majority of Cavs threads will have you as the top poster like the Heat threads currently do. :oldlol:

[poido123]

Legacy move if this actually happens.Of course it's not like he would return if Cle hadn't had a young talented core.But still it will be a classic redemption story if he goes back.


Going back to Cleveland is hardly a downgrade, but I'd still respect him by trying to keep that promise he made.

[Meticode]

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]I forget about Bennet

[Meticode]

It's a nice fairytale for Lebron to go back and fulfill his promise, but let's not act like he's not going to a significantly better team than his current one with loads of young talent.

Bennett looks fit and ready in his second year, TT will be solid, Irving is a star, Varejao is a good player when fit, Waiters is a question mark to return to the Cavs, drafted a potential superstar in Wiggins.

What is hard about this decision?

Why would Lebron choose a broken down wade and disappearing bosh over the talent over in Cleveland? He would be mad not to go there.

While I think it's great for the Cavs fans starving for success and redemption, Lebron would in some kind of way still be making a b.itch move going back to Cleveland now the talent is loaded there. :confusedshrug:
I think the biggest hurdle is Dan Gilbert the owner. If he wasn't owner I think it would be an easier choice in Mr. James' mind if there is such a choice in his mind that he's pondered.

[poido123]

I wonder if a majority of Cavs threads will have you as the top poster like the Heat threads currently do. :oldlol:


Mainly got caught in arguments with possibly the worst fanbase on ISH. Since the Cavs have a lot more respectable fans, I'd be more inclined to leave them alone?

I have a question for you, why do you have an MJ avatar?

1. You don't care for the team he had success with and

2. You clearly follow the Heat

[Black and White]

Everyone on the team is probably tradable for Love in my mind except Wiggins and Irving. If LeBron came I think the Cavs would try to keep Varejao since they are friends and know each other the best on the team. I would suspect the Cavs would try to do everything they can to keep Waiters though unless they feel there is no chance they can get Love without trading him.

Getting Love would be a no brainer as he would then commit to a long term contract, imagine Bron, Irving and Love all on long term deals, thats a great core going forward, add Wiggins + Bennett off the bench to that (this is assuming the deal is Waiters, TT + picks) and then it becomes an instant contender.

[Mr. Incredible]

That makes no sense. :oldlol:


I'm assuming you will be in every Cavs gamethread once Lebron signs over too? :lol
Nah....

[fragokota]

Going back to Cleveland is hardly a downgrade, but I'd still respect him by trying to keep that promise he made.

Yeah, he will gain points in everyone's book if he makes this move.That's one of the reasons he is doing it though.

[navy]

Mainly got caught in arguments with possibly the worst fanbase on ISH. Since the Cavs have a lot more respectable fans, I'd be more inclined to leave them alone?

I have a question for you, why do you have an MJ avatar?

1. You don't care for the team he had success with and

2. You clearly follow the Heat
You know damn well that's a lie. Besides the fact that Heat haters(Lebron haters) are way more obnoxious than Heat fans, if anything the Cavs threads will be loaded by Lebron stans. But nice try. With Lebron stans and Lebron haters going at it, the Cavs threads will be the new Heat threads. Im sure you will be a number one poster as well.

Im trying to figure out how any of that means I cant have Jordan's Jumpman logo as my avatar. Can I not wear Jordan shoes as well? :oldlol:

[poido123]

I think the biggest hurdle is Dan Gilbert the owner. If he wasn't owner I think it would be an easier choice in Mr. James' mind if there is such a choice in his mind that he's pondered.


That's true.

For me it's a lose lose situation.

If Lebron goes to Cavs, we may lose one of our best posters RBA and possibly others who cannot stomach Lebron and his throng of followers. However, Lebron with that team will likely win the city of Cleveland a championship which they so desperately want.

If Lebron ends up fooling Cleveland again, Cleveland may have to wait a while to build the young core into contenders. I prefer this option, since the Cavs fans don't deserve the stupidity that comes with a Lebron fanbase.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Going back to Cleveland is hardly a downgrade, but I'd still respect him by trying to keep that promise he made.
It would be the first move in years to show he has character. If he did this, I'm open and honest about him having the potential of winning me back as a fan. Staying in Miami, and re-upping with Wade and possibly Melo is the nail in the coffin though.

[Haymaker]

It would be the first move in years to show he has character. If he did this, I'm open and honest about him having the potential of winning me back as a fan. Staying in Miami, and re-upping with Wade and possibly Melo is the nail in the coffin though.


Same here. I used to enjoy watching Cavs' Bron even though he quit vs the Celtics.

[navy]

Lebron is literally going to be the same player and person that he was in Miami....

[poido123]

You know damn well that's a lie. Besides the fact that Heat haters(Lebron haters) are way more obnoxious than Heat fans, if anything the Cavs threads will be loaded by Lebron stans. But nice try. With Lebron stans and Lebron haters going at it, the Cavs threads will be the new Heat threads. Im sure you will be a number one poster as well.

Im trying to figure out how any of that means I cant have Jordan's Jumpman logo as my avatar. Can I not wear Jordan shoes as well? :oldlol:


It goes with the territory.

Heat fans have been ragging Rose and the Bulls team for years, I wouldn't expect any of their fans to support anything Bulls related. I would be astounded if any Bulls fans have a Lebron avatar or jersey, just doesn't happen.. :confusedshrug:

I liken you sporting an MJ avatar to having MJ's banner up in the American Airlines Arena :lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

How good is the fit in Cleveland? I mean they are a 33 win team, but I guess Wiggins could develop into something special.

Irving is a ball dominant player... I guess he could take some of the load off LeBron but can't say he's the ideal fit. I haven't watched a bunch of Cleveland, but how would this go down? Irving signed to max... who would they have to get rid of to get LeBron?

[Meticode]

Kyrie showed some promise at the all-star game next to LeBron, I wonder if that sparked his intrest in going back?
It's all speculations what has sparked his interest. I'm sure part of what's sparked it is that the Cavs have made all the right decisions after a failure last season. They got rid of Mike Brown, they got rid of the Mike Brown's ties to the orgnaization and long-time friend in Grant. The got massive cap space ready for this season, they landed the #1 pick in the draft yet again, and they hired the coach that almost everyone unanimously wanted hired in Cleveland.

But I think part of it is that it's home. He knows he has lots of people that love him there and he knows that he f*cked up with The Decision, he's been quoted he would do it differently than he did. And he understand that he effected a lot of people. And I think if he comes back this is a major piece of why he does. It's his home, in his heart he wants to win here, he's sorry how he left and his family is all here.

[navy]

It goes with the territory.

Heat fans have been ragging Rose and the Bulls team for years, I wouldn't expect any of their fans to support anything Bulls related. I would be astounded if any Bulls fans have a Lebron avatar or jersey, just doesn't happen.. :confusedshrug:

I liken you sporting an MJ avatar to having MJ's banner up in the American Airlines Arena :lol
Heat fans rag on he Bulls cause they started a fake ass rivalry with them. Tough guy act 24/7. So did the Thunder, the Knicks, Celtics, etc.

If Lebron leaves nobody will even care enough to hate the Heat anymore.

I have the Jordan logo. I probably just typed in basketball in google images and picked it out. Im sure most people arent as irrational as you. Jordan's jersey is even retired in the arena.

[Black and White]

It's all speculations what has sparked his interest. I'm sure part of what's sparked it is that the Cavs have made all the right decisions after a failure last season. They got rid of Mike Brown, they got rid of the Mike Brown's ties to the orgnaization and long-time friend in Grant. The got massive cap space ready for this season, they landed the #1 pick in the draft yet again, and they hired the coach that almost everyone unanimously wanted hired in Cleveland.

But I think part of it is that it's home. He knows he has lots of people that love him there and he knows that he f*cked up with The Decision, he's been quoted he would do it differently than he did. And he understand that he effected a lot of people. And I think if he comes back this is a major piece of why he does. It's his home, in his heart he wants to win here, he's sorry how he left and his family is all here.

I'm tired of waiting, he should just do it, its right for him, its right for the Cavs, there is nothing holding him back, hopefully we know by tomorrow.

[poido123]

Heat fans rag on he Bulls cause they started a fake ass rivalry with them. Tough guy act 24/7. So did the Thunder, the Knicks, Celtics, etc.

If Lebron leaves nobody will even care enough to hate the Heat anymore.

I have the Jordan logo. I orobably just typed in basketball in google images and picked it out. Im sure most people arent as irrational as you. Jordan's jersey is even retired in the arena.

No shit, that's pretty obvious. Dislike is the word, not hate. :hammerhead:

Rose is still getting hated on by Heat fans to this day and he has barely played a game in 2 years! :oldlol: Now that's pathetic.

[poido123]

It would be the first move in years to show he has character. If he did this, I'm open and honest about him having the potential of winning me back as a fan. Staying in Miami, and re-upping with Wade and possibly Melo is the nail in the coffin though.


That's pretty much my thoughts too.

There are conditions of how he goes about it of course.

If he goes to a situation where there is some kind of adversity? He can win me back as a fan as well.

[navy]

No shit, that's pretty obvious. Dislike is the word, not hate. :hammerhead:

Rose is still getting hated on by Heat fans to this day and he has barely played a game in 2 years! :oldlol: Now that's pathetic.
Dislike seems too casual.

That's because Bulls fans still hype him up. Talkin bout we would win the championship if he was healthy. :oldlol:

[Meticode]

How good is the fit in Cleveland? I mean they are a 33 win team, but I guess Wiggins could develop into something special.

Irving is a ball dominant player... I guess he could take some of the load off LeBron but can't say he's the ideal fit. I haven't watched a bunch of Cleveland, but how would this go down? Irving signed to max... who would they have to get rid of to get LeBron?
Before LeBron was even brought up to come Jarrett Jack has been mentioned to be traded to clear cap space. If LeBron chooses Cleveland, the Cavs will certainly move him first and as soon as possible to do so.

The next thing the Cavaliers will probably look to is Kevin Love. Reports have shown that if the Cavaliers re-pitched their offer to the Wolves for Love, Love would agree to an extension as long as LeBron agreed to come to Cleveland.

The domino effect of all of his is Irving agreeing to 5 years. Once Irving agreed to this, in LeBron and Love's mind they know they have a good point guard for at least 5 years there and he's committed long term.

So everyone on the Cavs is trade-able except for Irving and probably Wiggins. If the Cavs can somehow keep Wiaters they will do everything they can to do that, including possibly giving up almost all their first round draft picks next year (which is 3, including a top 10 protected I believe). Varejao would have a decent chance at staying since he's best friends with LeBron and knows him the best. Thompson or Bennett or both of them would be shipped out to make room for Love.

In the end, ideally the starting line-up you're looking at if everything happens up above would be...

Varejao
Love
LeBron
Wiggins
Irving

Waiters

[navy]

That's pretty much my thoughts too.

There are conditions of how he goes about it of course.

If he goes to a situation where there is some kind of adversity? He can win me back as a fan as well.
This is the kind of shit that makes no sense. How is there no adversity in Miami?

[poido123]

This is the kind of shit that makes no sense. How is there no adversity in Miami?

Up til last year, he had it pretty easy. Competition has been 1 or 2 teams every playoffs.

Most of the adversity came about by himself.

Not winning 2011 was on him.

[Meticode]

Breaking News!

There's a poster on realcavsfan.com that is a legit credible source. He's leaked information onto the forum dozens of times usually hours before it's released and has been right as far as Cavalier information is concerned. He actually has ties with the Cavaliers organization.

In short he posted on the forum stating that "It's Happening" and also he stated the get-together with LeBron and Wade was casual and Wade basically gave him his "blessing" to leave Miami.

So either one of two things are going to happen. This poster will be right like he's been dozens and times in the past over the last 9 years since he's been registered on the forum, or he will look like a fool for posting it and all his credibility will be lost.

After he posted this on the forum, the posters went nuts and the shut the forum access down to all registered users for like 15 minutes.

I'm not sure RealBlackAttack follows the same source, but RBA believes LeBron is coming to Cleveland as well because of the sources he listens to. Which is saying a lot considering his dislike for LeBron.

Ask for me, I don't know what the f*ck to think.

[navy]

Up til last year, he had it pretty easy. Competition has been 1 or 2 teams every playoffs.

Most of the adversity came about by himself.

Not winning 2011 was on him.

:rolleyes:

2012 Bosh gets injured, Heat have no Bigs.
2013 Wade cliff dives in the playoffs Bosh is exposed.
2014 Same. Supporting cast gets older.
2015 Probably the same thing.

Definitely nothing easy about winning any year. Im sure Lebron sees that now.

[Black and White]

Breaking News!

There's a poster on realcavsfan.com that is a legit credible source. He's leaked information onto the forum dozens of times usually hours before it's released and has been right as far as Cavalier information is concerned. He actually has ties with the Cavaliers organization.

In short he posted on the forum stating that "It's Happening" and also he stated the get-together with LeBron and Wade was casual and Wade basically gave him his "blessing" to leave Miami.

So either one of two things are going to happen. This poster will be right like he's been dozens and times in the past over the last 9 years since he's been registered on the forum, or he will look like a fool for posting it and all his credibility will be lost.

After he posted this on the forum, the posters went nuts and the shut the forum access down to all registered users for like 15 minutes.

I'm not sure RealBlackAttack follows the same source, but RBA believes LeBron is coming to Cleveland as well. Which is saying a lot considering his dislike for the man.

Ask for me, I don't know what the f*ck to think.

This is all I want for him, go home, win the ring there.

[poido123]

Breaking News!

There's a poster on realcavsfan.com that is a legit credible source. He's leaked information onto the forum dozens of times usually hours before it's released and has been right as far as Cavalier information is concerned. He actually has ties with the Cavaliers organization.

In short he posted on the forum stating that "It's Happening" and also he stated the get-together with LeBron and Wade was casual and Wade basically gave him his "blessing" to leave Miami.

So either one of two things are going to happen. This poster will be right like he's been dozens and times in the past over the last 9 years since he's been registered on the forum, or he will look like a fool for posting it and all his credibility will be lost.


After he posted this on the forum, the posters went nuts and the shut the forum access down to all registered users for like 15 minutes.

I'm not sure RealBlackAttack follows the same source, but RBA believes LeBron is coming to Cleveland as well because of the sources he listens to. Which is saying a lot considering his dislike for LeBron.

Ask for me, I don't know what the f*ck to think.

Now that it seems likely, I really do hope RBA sticks around and posts :(

Congrats to the Cavs fans and their organisation, go get that title!


Heat fans falling off a cliff as we speak :oldlol:

[navy]

All I ask is that if Lebron leaves he signs and trades to get the Heat's picks back, and Pat Riley pays Haslem and Wade their owed money.

[Black and White]

Now that it seems likely, I really do hope RBA sticks around and posts :(

Congrats to the Cavs fans and their organisation, go get that title!


Heat fans falling off a cliff as we speak :oldlol:

I feel sorry for the Cavs fans on this forum tho......

[Levity]

the whole time the two of them were having dinner, wade had to be thinking to himself
'im going to get paid $20 millionl next season....:banana: :banana:'
"huh, what was that bron?? yeah, of course you have my blessing to go to Cleveland!!!!"

[Meticode]

Now that it seems likely, I really do hope RBA sticks around and posts :(

Congrats to the Cavs fans and their organisation, go get that title!


Heat fans falling off a cliff as we speak :oldlol:
Apparently there were Cavs fans from RCF that went on the RealGM Heat forum and got in arguments and got banned from the RealGM site because certain posters on RealGM Heat were coming over and taking screenshots of what the Cavs fans were posting making fun of it. :roll:

[Meticode]

I feel sorry for the Cavs fans on this forum tho......
Why?

[poido123]

the whole time the two of them were having dinner, wade had to be thinking to himself
'im going to get paid $20 millionl next season....:banana: :banana:'
"huh, what was that bron?? yeah, of course you have my blessing to go to Cleveland!!!!"


I won't point any fingers, but I somehow think Lebron cornered wade into opting out of his contract to potentially stay.

I could be wrong of course, but Wade just lost a shit ton of money for nothing :lol

[Black and White]

Why?

LeBron signing there will bring across all those horrible LeStans ruining every Cavs thread/the Cavs image on this board.

[poido123]

Apparently there were Cavs fans from RCF that went on the RealGM Heat forum and got in arguments and got banned from the RealGM site because certain posters on RealGM Heat were coming over and taking screenshots of what the Cavs fans were posting making fun of it. :roll:


:roll: :roll: Fcking hilarious!

I'm going over to Real GM to see this :lol

Insert Michael Jackson eating popcorn :cheers:

[poido123]

LeBron signing there will bring across all those horrible LeStans ruining every Cavs thread/the Cavs image on this board.


I think Cavs fans would take this to win a title though.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Apparently there were Cavs fans from RCF that went on the RealGM Heat forum and got in arguments and got banned from the RealGM site because certain posters on RealGM Heat were coming over and taking screenshots of what the Cavs fans were posting making fun of it. :roll:
lol yeah i saw those posts...Are those posters from realcavs legit/trustworthy?

[Black and White]

I think Cavs fans would take this to win a title though.

For sure, doesn't mean that there won't be a shit ton of crap that gets dropped on this forum tho.

[fragokota]

I won't point any fingers, but I somehow think Lebron cornered wade into opting out of his contract to potentially stay.

I could be wrong of course, but Wade just lost a shit ton of money for nothing :lol

Nah i think Wade knew this wouldn't guarantee Lebron would stay. You can tell Lebron wasn't sure if he'd stay just by the press conference after G5. He gave up his contract hoping he could help the Heat bring in new players to convince Lebron to stay.Wade won't lose money in the end,MIA will pay him his due.

[Meticode]

lol yeah i saw those posts...Are those posters from realcavs legit/trustworthy?
The ones getting into arguments" I don't f*cking know. I just know the poster on RCF that mentioned that it was happening and LeBron's meeting with Wade was to make sure their friendship was okay is a legit source.

Which would make since. Wade just opted out of all that money. If LeBron really is going back home, you'd think he'd meet with Wade to make sure everything was cool between them since the main reason of the opt out was to possibly get back together for less money.

[Meticode]

More on the Heat's front...


@WojYahooNBA On FS1: indicated there has been hardly any contact between Bosh/Riley with James. Bosh has open communication with HOU

[Kingwillball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G7xlzLOZH5c

[Meticode]

In other news Andrew Wiggins agrees to a $100 million contract with Adidas. 10 years.

[Hands of Iron]

Why?

I hope to hell that this happens for you guys. :lol

There's probably going to be some still-bitter holdovers but ultimately I think most are going to swallow their pride and bend over, taking him back with open arms. I wouldn't blame you either. The impact this guy has - love him or hate him - is ludicrous in many more ways than one. The Cavs will thrive in many more ways than one.

It'll be absolute Must See TV all year and the atmosphere in the first home game of the season would be utterly preposterous. The narrative is both ridiculous and amazing. :applause:

[DMAVS41]

So many Cavs fans are going to be heartbroken again if he doesn't come back now.

This is too good either way.

The drama is unreal.



I hope it happens....Kyrie, Love, and Lebron would be sick.

[Meticode]

I hope to hell that this happens for you guys. :lol

There's probably going to be some still-bitter holdovers but ultimately I think most are going to swallow their pride and bend over, taking him back with open arms. I wouldn't blame you either. The impact this guy has - love him or hate him - is ludicrous in many more ways than one. The Cavs will thrive in many more ways than one.

It'll be absolute Must See TV all year and the atmosphere in the first home game of the season would be utterly preposterous. The narrative is both ridiculous and amazing. :applause:
I didn't have any ill-will when LeBron left. I just didn't like the way he handled it. We're human though. And if he doesn't come back, I won't be mad either. He should've handled it the way he's doing not last time though.

[navy]

In other news Andrew Wiggins agrees to a $100 million contract with Adidas. 10 years.
Adidas :facepalm

[tpols]

If lebron had the balls to come back to cleveland in their rebuilding stages and actually win titles with them... I'd have respect for him.

[navy]

If lebron had the balls to come back to cleveland in their rebuilding stages and actually win titles with them... I'd have respect for him.
They are a lottery team in a weak east with an unproven rookie. Stop lying, you wouldnt respect him nomatter what. Unless he went to your favorite team. :rolleyes:

[inclinerator]

In other news Andrew Wiggins agrees to a $100 million contract with Adidas. 10 years.
there goes wiggins career

[poido123]

In other news Andrew Wiggins agrees to a $100 million contract with Adidas. 10 years.


Poor Wiggins, I hope he has replacement legs ready to go :(

[Meticode]

LeBron is on the front of USA Today's paper in a Cavs jersey...


...if he doesn't go to the Cavs now this is going to look bad.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsEta8jIUAAvIXH.jpg

[Meticode]

If Jarrett Jack is traded tomorrow, prepare for a LeBron decision tomorrow.

[fpliii]

The RCF chat is a shitshow. :lol

[Meticode]

The RCF chat is a shitshow. :lol
Regular sane posters on the actual board requested them to go to chat to be retarded. I stay in there for like 10 minute to lurk and most of the stuff the chat about is...

...*sighs* it's just not even worth the time to mention it.

[fpliii]

Regular sane posters on the actual board requested them to go to chat to be retarded. I stay in there for like 10 minute to lurk and most of the stuff the chat about is...

...*sighs* it's just not even worth the time to mention it.
What was that nonsense about 9:30 PDT?

[Meticode]

What was that nonsense about 9:30 PDT?
I don't have a clue.

[tpols]

They are a lottery team in a weak east with an unproven rookie. Stop lying, you wouldnt respect him nomatter what. Unless he went to your favorite team. :rolleyes:

what? thats my point.. taking a potential lottery team to a championship???


Yea thats respectable.. If bron led a team with wiggins and kyrie as his best support, pretty much two unproven guys, to a ring over the spurs or thunder yes itd be a massive legacy boost.

He needed a prime wade and bosh to beat okc in 12, and a rejuvenated wade to barely beat the spurs by the skin of his teeth in 13.. if he beat either of those teams with kyrie and tristan thompson as his best big man I'd be really impressed.

I just dont think its possible. Hed be better off trying with the heat one more time.

[Meticode]

Some people have been discounting Chris Sheridan when he said he feels there's a 90% chance he goes to Cleveland.

Here is Sheridan before LeBron's choice in 2010...


Chris Sheridan, ESPN.com: Between now and July 1, the pendulum will swing hard in various directions, and it'll swing harder after that. But when it comes time for the sales pitches to begin, my money is on Mr. Smooth, Pat Riley.

I also wouldn't be shocked if LeBron, Wade and a third free agent all took four-year deals with three-year opt-outs, which means the next Summer of LeBron could come as soon as 2013.

[Hands of Iron]

Taking the rosters he had to 66 and 61 win seasons in 2009/2010 was pretty amazing itself, even in the Eastern Conference and let's be honest: Lebron balled OUTRAGEOUSLY for the Cleveland Cavaliers in those post seasons before that mental midget moment breakdown in Game 5 against Boston. The thing that always bothered me was that it was 2-2 series at that point and he'd shredded the Celtics in both of the Cavaliers wins. The guy was putting up 34/9/7 on 63% TS over both of those post-seasons prior to that meltdown for Christ Sakes.

[Black and White]

Some people have been discounting Chris Sheridan when he said he feels there's a 90% chance he goes to Cleveland.

Here is Sheridan before LeBron's choice in 2010...

Holy shit!!!!! :eek: He was spot on!!!

[tpols]

Taking the rosters he had to 66 and 61 win seasons in 2009/2010 was pretty amazing itself, even in the Eastern Conference and let's be honest: Lebron balled OUTRAGEOUSLY for the Cleveland Cavaliers in those post seasons before that mental midget moment breakdown in Game 5 against Boston. The thing that always bothered me was that it was 2-2 series at that point and he'd shredded the Celtics in both of the Cavaliers wins. The guy was putting up 34/9/7 on 63% TS over both of those post-seasons prior to that meltdown for Christ Sakes.

exactly.. look up the clutch stats prior to game 5 in the 2010 second round finals. Lebron might have been the greatest one man army of all time. Absolutely unstoppable. On a weak team I'd take him over any other player all time by 1000x. He isnt nearly as magnificent on a stacked team with expectations

Thats why I'd love to see him go back to cleveland. If he won there, his legacy could never be doubted again.

[RedBlackAttack]

Regular sane posters on the actual board requested them to go to chat to be retarded. I stay in there for like 10 minute to lurk and most of the stuff the chat about is...

...*sighs* it's just not even worth the time to mention it.
That's the chat you guys know about. ;-)

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yea thats respectable.. If bron led a team with wiggins and kyrie as his best support, pretty much two unproven guys, to a ring over the spurs or thunder yes itd be a massive legacy boost.
Agreed. Would take more heart, guts, maturity, and will power than what he did with prime Wade, and Bosh. Seriously. That Cavs team would be talented enough to give him supplemental, without being loaded with HOF caliber talent.


Thats why I'd love to see him go back to cleveland. If he won there, his legacy could never be doubted again.
Would be the ultimate legacy move, and more impressive context than his 1.5 rings in Miami.


How good is the fit in Cleveland? I mean they are a 33 win team, but I guess Wiggins could develop into something special.
My god the flip flopping.

The LeBron stans within your very own "Miami fanbase" make insinuations that the Heat (Wade, Bosh, Allen, Chalmers, Norris, Anderson) sans LeBron aren't even a 33 win team. Like LeBron was truly doing that much for them. You really want to have your cake and eat it too, don't you?

Miami's cast sucks when LeBron loses, but when talking about the possibility of him leaving for fresher leg supporting cast pastures, all of a sudden they're so much better. You Heat / LeBron stans are jokes.

[RedBlackAttack]

So many Cavs fans are going to be heartbroken again if he doesn't come back now.

This is too good either way.

The drama is unreal.



I hope it happens....Kyrie, Love, and Lebron would be sick.
Not this Cavs fan. I'm still hoping against hope that this is all a mirage. But, I can't deny what I'm hearing and who it is coming from. I'd say I'm 99% sure right now that he's coming back and it definitely isn't because I want it to happen.

At some point, you have to face reality whether you like it or not. The reality is, all sources and signs are pointing toward his return. I guess there is no use in fighting it anymore. :/

[Black and White]

That's the chat you guys know about. ;-)

RBA, you really think its happening? can we expect an announcement tomorrow or the day after?

[Meticode]

:oldlol: Dion Waiters just retweeted this picture of someone who made custom Cavs jerseys...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsEo19XCMAAaBSA.jpg

https://twitter.com/dionwaiters3/status/486739068802187264

[DMAVS41]

Not this Cavs fan. I'm still hoping against hope that this is all a mirage. But, I can't deny what I'm hearing and who it is coming from. I'd say I'm 99% sure right now that he's coming back and it definitely isn't because I want it to happen.

At some point, you have to face reality whether you like it or not. The reality is, all sources and signs are pointing toward his return. I guess there is no use in fighting it anymore. :/

Oh I know you don't want him back.

Wow...99% sure? This is insane...

[Droid101]

That's the chat you guys know about. ;-)
wtf is this private proxied tor cavs chat? Huh?

[navy]

:oldlol: Dion Waiters just retweeted this picture of someone who made custom Cavs jerseys...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsEo19XCMAAaBSA.jpg

https://twitter.com/dionwaiters3/status/486739068802187264
Funny because if Lebron comes, Waiters is gone. :oldlol:

[Meticode]

That's the chat you guys know about. ;-)
Please elaborate?

[Droid101]

Some people have been discounting Chris Sheridan when he said he feels there's a 90% chance he goes to Cleveland.

Here is Sheridan before LeBron's choice in 2010...
Is that what happened though? What kinds of deals did they get initially?

I know you can't get six year deals these days, so they couldn't have taken 4 year plus two player option years on the end, right? Because that's what seems to have happened.

[Meticode]

wtf is this private proxied tor cavs chat? Huh?
I think he was putting me down, not sure though. It's a chat you don't want to be in.

[DMAVS41]

Agreed. Would take more heart, guts, maturity, and will power than what he did with prime Wade, and Bosh. Seriously. That Cavs team would be talented enough to give him supplemental, without being loaded with HOF caliber talent.


Would be the ultimate legacy move, and more impressive context than his 1.5 rings in Miami.


My god the flip flopping.

The LeBron stans within your very own "Miami fanbase" make insinuations that the Heat (Wade, Bosh, Allen, Chalmers, Norris, Anderson) sans LeBron aren't even a 33 win team. Like LeBron was truly doing that much for them. You really want to have your cake and eat it too, don't you?

Miami's cast sucks when LeBron loses, but when talking about the possibility of him leaving for fresher leg supporting cast pastures, all of a sudden they're so much better. You Heat / LeBron stans are jokes.

If he goes back I'll be shocked if they don't make a big move. I just can't imagine Lebron being willing to give up this year as a true contender to hope Waiters, Wiggins, Bennet, and Thompson continue to get better.

I just see no reason not to trade for a guy perfectly suited to play next to Lebron and Kyrie in Love. Love is 25...so it's not like he's old or something.

I'm torn on the package I'd offer, but trading for Love makes them much better than they currently are.

[poido123]

wtf is this private proxied tor cavs chat? Huh?


Have you got your RBA Insiders membership?

:lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

If he goes back I'll be shocked if they don't make a big move. I just can't imagine Lebron being willing to give up this year as a true contender to hope Waiters, Wiggins, Bennet, and Thompson continue to get better.

I just see no reason not to trade for a guy perfectly suited to play next to Lebron and Kyrie in Love. Love is 25...so it's not like he's old or something.

I'm torn on the package I'd offer, but trading for Love makes them much better than they currently are.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Cavs try to free up space for Love. They would definitely contend if they had Love+LeBron+Kyrie in that line up.

[Rodmantheman]

So Lebron's meeting with Pat Riley is to tell him he is leaving?

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA, you really think its happening? can we expect an announcement tomorrow or the day after?
I'm hearing tomorrow as a likely announcement day... no later than Friday.

[poido123]

I'm hearing tomorrow as a likely announcement day... no later than Friday.


Have you reconsidered staying here?

I promise to scare Lebron stans away :lol


Kingwillball will still be :mad: :mad: no matter what happens :D

[Warfan]

:oldlol: Dion Waiters just retweeted this picture of someone who made custom Cavs jerseys...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsEo19XCMAAaBSA.jpg

https://twitter.com/dionwaiters3/status/486739068802187264

:roll: what the hell is wrong with this guy?

[dubeta]

If Cavs got the #1 pick in 2012 instead of 2013 and got Davis instead then LeBron to Cavs would have been a done deal

Kyrie
Wiggins
LeBron
Varejao
Davis

Easily the best starting 5 in the league LeBron + Davis??!

But then again you can argue if Cavs got Davis they wouldnt be in position to get Wiggins but who knows?

[RedBlackAttack]

Please elaborate?
Check your PMs.

[Black and White]

I'm hearing tomorrow as a likely announcement day... no later than Friday.

Holy crap, I was thinking that Cleveland was a long shot and that Miami were heavy favourites, wow to all of this, do you have any info on how Gilbert/big z's meeting with him/his reps went??

[SamuraiSWISH]

If Cavs got the #1 pick in 2012 instead of 2013 and got Davis instead then LeBron to Cavs would have been a done deal

Kyrie
Wiggins
LeBron
Varejao
Davis

Easily the best starting 5 in the league LeBron + Davis??!

But then again you can argue if Cavs got Davis they wouldnt be in position to get Wiggins but who knows?
He need more help, amirite?

[poido123]

Holy crap, I was thinking that Cleveland was a long shot and that Miami were heavy favourites, wow to all of this, do you have any info on how Gilbert/big z's meeting with him/his reps went??


However they got Irving to sign that long term deal, I'd say they sold a similar story to Lebron.

Blatt and Lue having a major affect on this organisation already :eek: :rockon:

[SamuraiSWISH]

I hope Cleveland gets him. All that heart break, they deserve it.

[RedBlackAttack]

Have you reconsidered staying here?

I promise to scare Lebron stans away :lol


Kingwillball will still be :mad: :mad: no matter what happens :D
Here's where I'm at with it... If I had my choice, he wouldn't be coming back. That's just the why I am. Maybe it is a character flaw. That's for others to analyze and I don't really care what they have to say about me, truth be told.

But, now that this looks more like an inevitability than just a bunch of rumors, I'm going to have to get used to the idea whether I like it or not. One thing James does have going for him with the diehards like myself is that it does look like he's coming back a lot sooner than people figured. Maybe that means he knows he made a mistake, maybe not...

I'd love to see him address the whole Decision thing if the choice is made to come back.

I'm not sure I'll ever be able to really like or respect him again on a personal level, but it is sinking in that I either have to learn to accept this thing or turn my back on a franchise I've spent my life supporting.

My biggest fear now is that we're going to totally scrap the incredible opportunity we have with all this young talent to pursue a 2-3 year window of championship runs. If he's going to come back, I'd much rather it not include a total remake of the roster.

If we can get Kevin Love, who is still very young himself, without giving up Kyrie, Wiggins, or hopefully AB, I do that in a heartbeat. But, guys like Ray Allen can go elsewhere as far as I'm concerned.

I don't want this to be the Heat 2.0.

The other thing is the influx of his fans on here which will obviously be awful. I can't say I'm looking forward to this whole thing, but it is what it is.

[SamuraiSWISH]

My biggest fear now is that we're going to totally scrap the incredible opportunity we have with all this young talent to pursue a 2-3 year window of championship runs. If he's going to come back, I'd much rather it not include a total remake of the roster.
Dude that's the most overrated thing in sports. The "long term" approach. Nothing is guaranteed, usually that stuff rarely ever works out. Especially in the modern era. Health, ability, cohesion, free agency, coaching. You win, and win now if the chance presents itself.

[DMAVS41]

Here's where I'm at with it... If I had my choice, he wouldn't be coming back. That's just the why I am. Maybe it is a character flaw. That's for others to analyze and I don't really care what they have to say about me, truth be told.

But, now that this looks more like an inevitability than just a bunch of rumors, I'm going to have to get used to the idea whether I like it or not. One thing James does have going for him with the diehards like myself is that it does look like he's coming back a lot sooner than people figured. Maybe that means he knows he made a mistake, maybe not...

I'd love to see him address the whole Decision thing if the choice is made to come back.

I'm not sure I'll ever be able to really like or respect him again on a personal level, but it is sinking in that I either have to learn to accept this thing or turn my back on a franchise I've spent my life supporting.

My biggest fear now is that we're going to totally scrap the incredible opportunity we have with all this young talent to pursue a 2-3 year window of championship runs. If he's going to come back, I'd much rather it not include a total remake of the roster.

If we can get Kevin Love, who is still very young himself, without giving up Kyrie, Wiggins, or hopefully AB, I do that in a heartbeat. But, guys like Ray Allen can go elsewhere as far as I'm concerned.

I don't want this to be the Heat 2.0.

The other thing is the influx of his fans on here which will obviously be awful. I can't say I'm looking forward to this whole thing, but it is what it is.


If the Wolves offered Love, Martin, and Dieng for Waiters, Thompson, Andy V., and all 3 first round picks you guys potentially have this year....would you do it?

[poido123]

Here's where I'm at with it... If I had my choice, he wouldn't be coming back. That's just the why I am. Maybe it is a character flaw. That's for others to analyze and I don't really care what they have to say about me, truth be told.

But, now that this looks more like an inevitability than just a bunch of rumors, I'm going to have to get used to the idea whether I like it or not. One thing James does have going for him with the diehards like myself is that it does look like he's coming back a lot sooner than people figured. Maybe that means he knows he made a mistake, maybe not...

I'd love to see him address the whole Decision thing if the choice is made to come back.

I'm not sure I'll ever be able to really like or respect him again on a personal level, but it is sinking in that I either have to learn to accept this thing or turn my back on a franchise I've spent my life supporting.

My biggest fear now is that we're going to totally scrap the incredible opportunity we have with all this young talent to pursue a 2-3 year window of championship runs. If he's going to come back, I'd much rather it not include a total remake of the roster.

If we can get Kevin Love, who is still very young himself, without giving up Kyrie, Wiggins, or hopefully AB, I do that in a heartbeat. But, guys like Ray Allen can go elsewhere as far as I'm concerned.

I don't want this to be the Heat 2.0.

The other thing is the influx of his fans on here which will obviously be awful. I can't say I'm looking forward to this whole thing, but it is what it is.


IMO, your window is a lot larger than that providing you can keep the same core and resign Lebron.

I honestly don't think Cavs will look to dump their talent to acquire a guy like Love. I think they have what it takes now to compete, your team is absolutely loaded with firepower and possibilities now that you have Lebron.

I think you just needed a better coach and a superstar like Lebron to steer the team towards a championship. I'd be very surprised if you don't win this year or next.

[Hands of Iron]

I hope Cleveland gets him. All that heart break, they deserve it.

I hope Lebron goes back to having numerous 25-30 shot games in the playoffs without giving a fvck about his silly FG%. He was still largely efficient anyway. 2012 was weak sauce compared to the things he was doing his last two years in Cleveland, the 45/15/5 "Scowl Game" aside.

[RedBlackAttack]

If the Wolves offered Love, Martin, and Dieng for Waiters, Thompson, Andy V., and all 3 first round picks you guys potentially have this year....would you do it?
I'd probably do that, yeah. If we can get Love without giving up one of Kyrie, Wiggins or Bennett, I'd be OK with it. But, those are the three guys I'd really like to see stay together.

I love me some DWait, but if James is coming back, I have to think he is on his way out. As great as he has the potential to be in a 6th man role, (a) I'm not sure he'd be willing to sacrifice his minutes for it and (b) he'd probably be the main piece in a Minny trade for Love.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'd probably do that, yeah. If we can get Love without giving up one of Kyrie, Wiggins or Bennett, I'd be OK with it. But, those are the three guys I'd really like to see stay together.

I love me some DWait, but if James is coming back, I have to think he is on his way out. As great as he has the potential to be in a 6th man role, (a) I'm not sure he'd be willing to sacrifice his minutes for it and (b) he'd probably be the main piece in a Minny trade for Love.
You'd put Bennett in a group with Kyrie and Wiggins?! Really? I'd take Waiters over Bennett.

[Young X]

Hands of Iron, is that the LS cover in your avi?

[RedBlackAttack]

Dude that's the most overrated thing in sports. The "long term" approach. Nothing is guaranteed, usually that stuff rarely ever works out. Especially in the modern era. Health, ability, cohesion, free agency, coaching. You win, and win now if the chance presents itself.
We just landed three No. 1 overall picks in four years. I'd say this is a unique situation. And, I really like all three guys (yes, including Bennett).

With Blatt running the show, I think this has the chance of being something really special for a long time... especially now that Kyrie is under contract for the next 6 seasons at least.

I don't want a small window... I'm expecting more than that.

[DMAVS41]

I'd probably do that, yeah. If we can get Love without giving up one of Kyrie, Wiggins or Bennett, I'd be OK with it. But, those are the three guys I'd really like to see stay together.

I love me some DWait, but if James is coming back, I have to think he is on his way out. As great as he has the potential to be in a 6th man role, (a) I'm not sure he'd be willing to sacrifice his minutes for it and (b) he'd probably be the main piece in a Minny trade for Love.

I honestly think that is the best trade for both teams.

The Wolves would want to dump Martin's and I really like his fit on the Cavs actually. Think he'd do well next to Kyrie, Wiggins, and Lebron....

Dieng has a lot of potential as well...and I'd hold pretty firm on that because the Cavs would need a center.

Really like that trade for both teams. I don't see how the Wolves get a better package than that. That is even better than Wiggins because this allows them to be better right now and the 3 first round picks are nothing to scoff at. And the last thing the Wolves need is another superstar player that leaves after 5 years.

Hope something like that happens.

[RedBlackAttack]

You'd put Bennett in a group with Kyrie and Wiggins?! Really? I'd take Waiters over Bennett.
People need to realize that Bennett's shoulder injury last season was a lot more severe than anyone even knew. He probably shouldn't have played at all prior to Christmas just due to the injury alone, let alone being totally out of shape.

Even still, in the second half of the year, he showed some very good potential. Nice touch from the perimeter, great athleticism, nice handle for a guy his size, very good rebounder...

And, video is beginning to leak during his offseason progress. He looks like he is in incredible shape and he's just such a damn talented athlete at his size/length.

I love Waiters, but his role is a little redundant on this roster. As much as I'd like to keep him, if we're going after Love, he is likely going to be what they want as part of the package.

[fragokota]

If the Wolves offered Love, Martin, and Dieng for Waiters, Thompson, Andy V., and all 3 first round picks you guys potentially have this year....would you do it?

Who wouldn't? :lol

But this ain't gonna happen,why would Minny give Dieng? He played great when he was given a chance

[Hands of Iron]

Hands of Iron, is that the LS cover in your avi?

Yup

[DMAVS41]

We just landed three No. 1 overall picks in four years. I'd say this is a unique situation. And, I really like all three guys (yes, including Bennett).

With Blatt running the show, I think this has the chance of being something really special for a long time... especially now that Kyrie is under contract for the next 6 seasons at least.

I don't want a small window... I'm expecting more than that.

Almost no matter what you guys do you won't have a small window. Only way you have a small window is if Wiggins ends up being a bust...assuming you don't trade him.

[RedBlackAttack]

I honestly think that is the best trade for both teams.

The Wolves would want to dump Martin's and I really like his fit on the Cavs actually. Think he'd do well next to Kyrie, Wiggins, and Lebron....

Dieng has a lot of potential as well...and I'd hold pretty firm on that because the Cavs would need a center.

Really like that trade for both teams. I don't see how the Wolves get a better package than that. That is even better than Wiggins because this allows them to be better right now and the 3 first round picks are nothing to scoff at. And the last thing the Wolves need is another superstar player that leaves after 5 years.

Hope something like that happens.

Oh, they aren't getting a better package than that. First of all, the number of teams he is willing to extend with is very limited. There are probably only a couple in the entire league and his agent is reportedly saying the Cavs are one. And, of the other teams (Boston maybe?), none have the kind of cap flexibility, number of future picks, and amount of young talent/good contracts as the Cavs.

People need to remember that these kinds of trades aren't about creating a "fair" package... just the best package available. When is the last time a star or superstar was traded and the team who traded them got equal value back or even close to it?

All things considered, that would actually be a really great offer for them and they won't find better.

[fragokota]

People need to realize that Bennett's shoulder injury last season was a lot more severe than anyone even knew. He probably shouldn't have played at all prior to Christmas just due to the injury alone, let alone being totally out of shape.

Even still, in the second half of the year, he showed some very good potential. Nice touch from the perimeter, great athleticism, nice handle for a guy his size, very good rebounder...

And, video is beginning to leak during his offseason progress. He looks like he is in incredible shape and he's just such a damn talented athlete at his size/length.

I love Waiters, but his role is a little redundant on this roster. As much as I'd like to keep him, if we're going after Love, he is likely going to be what they want as part of the package.

As much as i think Bennett will be improved this year, if Cavs have a chance of landing Love, i wouldn't think about it...The guy is a great scorer and rebounder,excellent shooter. Waiters and Bennett are probably gone if Lebron sings...

[Young X]

YupClassic sh!t. :cheers:

[SamuraiSWISH]

I don't want a small window... I'm expecting more than that.
Small window? Just cause they're three number 1 picks doesn't mean anything is guaranteed. Wiggins is a project, insane athleticism but not the best basketball player coming out the draft. He certainly doesn't seem like a SG.

Bennett is a bust thus far. No other words for that guy. Kyrie is good, but inconsistent, and often injured. He has to carry way too much burden given his abilities for the Cavs. With LeBron there, he won't get burned out.

You've got a LEGIT, not projected 3 to 5 year window of winning championships if you get LeBron back.

Come on bro, you can part ways with one of those #1 "project" caliber players and not be hypothetical champs down the road. Bennett isn't shit. Those three guys aren't dynasty caliber material to begin with. So I don't know why you're acting like you have a young Jordan, and Pippen growing up together over there.

If you get Bron back, you're going to be in the ECF at the least. Guaranteed. I can't believe your bitterness is making me have to rationalize this to you. You're a smart guy. Use your brain, and not your broken Cleveland heart.

[RedBlackAttack]

Small window? Just cause they're three number 1 picks doesn't mean anything is guaranteed. Wiggins is aproject, Bennett is a bust thus far. Kyrie is good, but inconsistent. You've got a LEGIT, not projected 3 to 5 year window of winning championships if you get LeBron. Come on bro, you can part ways with one of those #1 "project" caliber players and not be hypothetical champs down the road. Those three guys aren't dynasty caliber material to begin with. If you get Bron back, you're going to be in the ECF at the least. Guaranteed. I can't believe your bitterness is making me have to rationalize this to you. You're a smart guy. Use your brain, and not your broken Cleveland heart.
Nope. Lots of young talent... not willing to give it all up to appease James. We don't know if Wiggins is a project as no one has even seen him play on the NBA level yet, Bennett was injured/out of shape all last season and Kyrie was the youngest full-time starting PG in the entire league last season.... and he put up 21/6+ in a supposed "down" year.

I stand by it... this could be special. And there's no way you give it all up for a few quick fixes. I think that's a silly argument tbh. Bitterness has nothing to do with it.

[DMAVS41]

Who wouldn't? :lol

But this ain't gonna happen,why would Minny give Dieng? He played great when he was given a chance

Meh...then the Cavs would give them less picks. The Heat's pick the Cavs has is only top 10 protected, and if the Grizzlies finish 6 through 14 it goes over as well.

Those are pretty damn valuable.

I mean. A 10 million dollar expiring deal, two really good young players on their rookie deals, and 3 first round picks....for the shedding of a contract you want to move anyway, Dieng, and a superstar that is likely leaving no matter what? Why prolong this shit?

[SamuraiSWISH]

I stand by it... this could be special.
:oldlol:

Like you guys have a pair of young Jordan / Pippen caliber players pushing one another on both sides of the ball, building rapport ready to dominate an entire decade.

If Westbrook / Durant / Harden / Ibaka didn't or aren't doing it. Kyrie / Waiters / Bennett / Wiggins certainly aren't going to run dominant over the field.

Come on, you're living a delusion. Yall need Bron to come home to have a legit shot at rings.

[RedBlackAttack]

As much as i think Bennett will be improved this year, if Cavs have a chance of landing Love, i wouldn't think about it...The guy is a great scorer and rebounder,excellent shooter. Waiters and Bennett are probably gone if Lebron sings...
If another team makes an offer that can even come close to Waiters/Varejao/Jack future picks, cap relief, then we can talk about Bennett. Fortunately, no other team that Love is willing to extend with will even approach that package. The number of future picks the Cavs have alone is absolutely huge in this whole thing.

[poido123]

Small window? Just cause they're three number 1 picks doesn't mean anything is guaranteed. Wiggins is a project, insane athleticism but not the best basketball player coming out the draft. He certainly doesn't seem like a SG.

Bennett is a bust thus far. No other words for that guy. Kyrie is good, but inconsistent, and often injured. He has to carry way too much burden given his abilities for the Cavs. With LeBron there, he won't get burned out.

You've got a LEGIT, not projected 3 to 5 year window of winning championships if you get LeBron back.

Come on bro, you can part ways with one of those #1 "project" caliber players and not be hypothetical champs down the road. Bennett isn't shit. Those three guys aren't dynasty caliber material to begin with. So I don't know why you're acting like you have a young Jordan, and Pippen growing up together over there.

If you get Bron back, you're going to be in the ECF at the least. Guaranteed. I can't believe your bitterness is making me have to rationalize this to you. You're a smart guy. Use your brain, and not your broken Cleveland heart.



Uh, what?

How is he being bitter? All RBA is saying, is that he doesn't want to fully jeopardise ALL of the Cavs future assets for Love.

Make sense to me.

[DMAVS41]

Oh, they aren't getting a better package than that. First of all, the number of teams he is willing to extend with is very limited. There are probably only a couple in the entire league and his agent is reportedly saying the Cavs are one. And, of the other teams (Boston maybe?), none have the kind of cap flexibility, number of future picks, and amount of young talent/good contracts as the Cavs.

People need to remember that these kinds of trades aren't about creating a "fair" package... just the best package available. When is the last time a star or superstar was traded and the team who traded them got equal value back or even close to it?

All things considered, that would actually be a really great offer for them and they won't find better.

I completely agree.

Don't you also like the Cavs getting Dieng? I'd insist on that if I was the Cavs. Finding bigs is so damn hard. And he has potential and comes as cheap as possible for now.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

People need to realize that Bennett's shoulder injury last season was a lot more severe than anyone even knew. He probably shouldn't have played at all prior to Christmas just due to the injury alone, let alone being totally out of shape.

Even still, in the second half of the year, he showed some very good potential. Nice touch from the perimeter, great athleticism, nice handle for a guy his size, very good rebounder...

And, video is beginning to leak during his offseason progress. He looks like he is in incredible shape and he's just such a damn talented athlete at his size/length.

I love Waiters, but his role is a little redundant on this roster. As much as I'd like to keep him, if we're going after Love, he is likely going to be what they want as part of the package.


I hope you're right about Bennett and that he turns it around...would hate for the first canadian #1 pick to be an epic bust

[Black and White]

Waiters, TT + Picks for Love should be the deal they try to push, keep Bennett and Wiggins.

[RedBlackAttack]

:oldlol:

Like you guys have a pair of young Jordan / Pippen caliber players pushing one another on both sides of the ball, building rapport ready to dominate an entire decade.

If Westbrook / Durant / Harden / Ibaka didn't or aren't doing it. Kyrie / Waiters / Bennett / Wiggins certainly aren't going to run dominant over the field.

Come on, you're living a delusion. Yall need Bron to come home to have a legit shot at rings.
What are you arguing right now? All of my posts are assuming James is coming back to Cleveland. We don't have to give up anything for him other than cap space.

I'm talking about additional unnecessary moves. Love is fine. I can dig that. But no reason to give up our entire young core for one guy.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Uh, what?

How is he being bitter? All RBA is saying, is that he doesn't want to fully jeopardise all of the Cavs future assets for Love.

Make sense to me.
Love is young.

He's talking about projected talent.

His bitterness over not wanting a top five ability player of all-time back on his team, while still being relatively young ... just because he broke their heart 4 summers ago.

That is the very definition of salty. He should be itching at the chance to get the guy back. He's trying to save face. Cleveland can still keep some of their young assets, make room for Bron, and a young but legit 2nd option like Love to win rings

NOW

and

LATER

More of a legit chance than Kyrie / Wiggins / Bennett

:facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

I completely agree.

Don't you also like the Cavs getting Dieng? I'd insist on that if I was the Cavs. Finding bigs is so damn hard. And he has potential and comes as cheap as possible for now.
I'd love to pull Dieng in as part of the deal. I'm not sure what Minny's mindset is here, though. One thing is for sure... they don't have a ton of leverage. It isn't like teams are beating down their door to get a one-year rental of Love.

[fragokota]

If another team makes an offer that can even come close to Waiters/Varejao/Jack future picks, cap relief, then we can talk about Bennett. Fortunately, no other team that Love is willing to extend with will even approach that package. The number of future picks the Cavs have alone is absolutely huge in this whole thing.

If Cle somehow manages to keep Wiggins,Bennett while also landing Love (and ofcourse lbj) that would be great for your team. Heck if you could also land Dieng in the minny deal would be even better(great late season performances by him next to Love).It seems too good to be true though...

[poido123]

What are you arguing right now? All of my posts are assuming James is coming back to Cleveland. We don't have to give up anything for him other than cap space.

I'm talking about additional unnecessary moves. Love is fine. I can dig that. But no reason to give up our entire young core for one guy.


I swear someone hacks Samurai's account regularly.

One day he is making perfectly good sense, the next he is on another planet...

I agree, Cavs adding Lebron is already a contender. Why fck up the future picks for Love who may or may not fit what the Cavs have now?

[zoom17]

The next few days will be interesting.

[RedBlackAttack]

Meh...then the Cavs would give them less picks. The Heat's pick the Cavs has is only top 10 protected, and if the Grizzlies finish 6 through 14 it goes over as well.

Those are pretty damn valuable.

I mean. A 10 million dollar expiring deal, two really good young players on their rookie deals, and 3 first round picks....for the shedding of a contract you want to move anyway, Dieng, and a superstar that is likely leaving no matter what? Why prolong this shit?
That Heat pick is Top 10 protected in 2015 and 2016, but completely unprotected in 2017. They don't look like they have the brightest future in the world, here. That's looking like a potentially very valuable pick.

[RedBlackAttack]

If Cle somehow manages to keep Wiggins,Bennett while also landing Love (and ofcourse lbj) that would be great for your team. Heck if you could also land Dieng in the minny deal would be even better(great late season performances by him next to Love).It seems too good to be true though...
For it to be too good to be true, you have to find me a better potential offer than Waiters/Varejao/Jack + future picks and cap relief from any of the other teams he is willing to re-sign with.

Again, we don't have to just hand over guys to make it a fair deal... just make it a better deal than anything else they have available.

[STATUTORY]

That Heat pick is Top 10 protected in 2015 and 2016, but completely unprotected in 2017. They don't look like they have the brightest future in the world, here. That's looking like a potentially very valuable pick.

The Decision might turn out to be the best front office move by the cavs in a long time

[RedBlackAttack]

I swear someone hacks Samurai's account regularly.

One day he is making perfectly good sense, the next he is on another planet...

I agree, Cavs adding Lebron is already a contender. Why fck up the future picks for Love who may or may not fit what the Cavs have now?
Yeah, I'm not understand the argument. No offense samurai.

[fragokota]

For it to be too good to be true, you have to find me a better potential offer than Waiters/Varejao/Jack + future picks and cap relief from any of the other teams he is willing to re-sign with.

Again, we don't have to just hand over guys to make it a fair deal... just make it a better deal than anything else they have available.

You're right about that, in cases like that we're not talking about fair trades but for best trades you can possibly get.

Either way, time will tell.Funny how things change with time by the way.Who could have thought that only 4 years later Lebron could be coming back after al the drama only to a more talented and young team this time.Crazy...

[poido123]

Love is young.

He's talking about projected talent.

His bitterness over not wanting a top five ability player of all-time back on his team, while still being relatively young ... just because he broke their heart 4 summers ago.

That is the very definition of salty. He should be itching at the chance to get the guy back. He's trying to save face. Cleveland can still keep some of their young assets, make room for Bron, and a young but legit 2nd option like Love to win rings

NOW

and

LATER

More of a legit chance than Kyrie / Wiggins / Bennett

:facepalm


He wasn't bitter and that is the easy way to pigeon hole him.

Lebron returning to a new rejuvenated team is hardly commendable, however I appreciate that he wants to keep his promise and that deserves respect.

RBA has explained that the team comes first and that he wants players that represent good ethics. He would rather watch losing seasons than take on Lebron and his rockshow.

He was also concerned about the growing future of the Cavs and didn't want to see the organisation make drastic moves to appease Lebron and ruin the hard work that was established during the time he had gone.

I'm also of the same beliefs, I do not want Lebron anywhere near my team and thankfully that won't happen.

I think you misintepret salty here.

[DMAVS41]

That Heat pick is Top 10 protected in 2015 and 2016, but completely unprotected in 2017. They don't look like they have the brightest future in the world, here. That's looking like a potentially very valuable pick.

Right, that is pick is worth more than Dieng, for example...but this is an odd case where if Lebron comes to the Cavs. The Cavs would rather have Dieng than that pick.

But the Wolves would rather have that pick or the Grizzlies pick for example.

That is why I threw Dieng in there....

Because Thompson, Waiters, a 10 million expiring contract (can be moved for something real), and 3 first round picks is too much for Love/Martin alone in my opinion.

[GimmeThat]

well, big Z had a 13 year careers with the Cavs
now they are getting an european coach who hopefully will stay for the long haul.


what is this, the Oregan Trail for euro basketball players?

:coleman:

[RedBlackAttack]

FWIW:

Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO


Here is the analysis I received on Cavs rookie Andrew Wiggins out of Vegas so far: "That kid, wow. Just wow. Wow, wow, wow."

We'll see soon enough. The Cavs play their first SL game Friday. It's on NBATV at 8 p.m. against the Bucks (Jabari vs. Wiggins).

Bennett will also be suiting up... and about 40 pounds lighter.

[Sakkreth]

Why everyone thinks they need Love so badly ?? They will have enough scoring options and rebounding shouldn't be a problem either.

[bdreason]

I hope he goes back. Would be a pretty cool story.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I swear someone hacks Samurai's account regularly.

One day he is making perfectly good sense, the next he is on another planet...
How am I consistently on another planet? I continually make more sense than you.

Aren't you the aussie Bulls fan who thinks Lance Stephenson would be some sort of huge, game changing pick up for us? Guy is a chemistry killing, JR Smith caliber bone head. Yet I'm the one who routinely doesn't make sense?

Umm, ok.

Maybe I confused RBA's points, but what I'm saying is why wouldn't the Cavs be willing to let go just one of the following young, rather un-proven talents: Irving, Wiggins, Waiters or Bennett to get a more proven, veteran supplemental player to pair with LeBron?

Like say a Kevin Love. Dude's acting like he's old. The Cavs have too many young players. You need a balance of vets, and youth out there.

[PickernRoller]

I've always been a Cav fan. :pimp:

[Meticode]

Austin Carr's son has been tweeting about LeBron.

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[TheMan]

Chris Sheridan is a hack, but I'm hearing he's coming back from people I trust. I now believe it.

The word is that LeBron met with Wade today and told him his plans... Wade gave him his blessing.
Wow, if that's true, what a stupid move by Wade to opt out. He's literally leaving millions on the table for nothing. Still can't believe Bran would do Wade that dirty, I mean wtf...

[BoutPractice]

If confirmed (which it isn't) Cleveland should make a play for Love.

If they can land him without giving up Wiggins they would have themselves a real Big 3 with the potential to turn into a Big 4. They might need to give up Dion and AB, but in truth they're fairly replaceable players.

Dion is only 22, but right now he's a 14 PER, negative plus minus guy... and AB just had one of the worst rookie seasons in history. I understand they have a lot more potential than that... we've all heard of Dion as the "poor man's Wade" (coincidentally, this is also what we've known Dwyane Wade as last year), and Bennett as "potentially not a fat useless player that bricks all his shots", but it's all speculative. They can have a long championship window without them because both Kyrie and Love are still young, and Wiggins obviously has all the youth in the world.

Love + the veterans they will use to fill out the roster should easily make this a championship team, with an outside chance at a title in 2015 and a very, very reasonable chance they win it all in 2016.

[bdreason]

Wow, if that's true, what a stupid move by Wade to opt out. He's literally leaving millions on the table for nothing. Still can't believe Bran would do Wade that dirty, I mean wtf...


Wade will get 4y 60m+ if LeBron leaves. Miami still needs to sell tickets.

[poido123]

How am I consistently on another planet? I continually make more sense than you.

Aren't you the aussie Bulls fan who thinks Lance Stephenson would be some sort of huge, game changing pick up for us? Guy is a chemistry killing, JR Smith caliber bone head. Yet I'm the one who routinely doesn't make sense?

Umm, ok.

Maybe I confused RBA's points, but what I'm saying is why wouldn't the Cavs be willing to let go just one of the following young, rather un-proven talents: Irving, Wiggins, Waiters or Bennett to get a more proven, veteran supplemental player to pair with LeBron?

Like say a Kevin Love. Dude's acting like he's old. The Cavs have too many young players. You need a balance of vets, and youth out there.



JR Smith is a whole new level bonehead. Lance just has some misguided passion, which can be harnessed with the right leadership.

Lance Stevenson would help us alot, we would need to add more obviously but he is a good start.

You don't have to be a Stephenson fan, but you have to recognise that he provides strengths in areas of need for the Bulls. That being another ball handler and a guy who can create off the dribble.

[poido123]

Wow, if that's true, what a stupid move by Wade to opt out. He's literally leaving millions on the table for nothing. Still can't believe Bran would do Wade that dirty, I mean wtf...


I suspect that too, but you can't prove it :confusedshrug:

Wade leaving money on the table isn't all bad. It means riley has flexibility to sign other free agents not named Lebron.

[GimmeThat]

JR Smith is a whole new level bonehead. Lance just has some misguided passion, which can be harnessed with the right leadership.

Lance Stevenson would help us alot, we would need to add more obviously but he is a good start.

You don't have to be a Stephenson fan, but you have to recognise that he provides strengths in areas of need for the Bulls. That being another ball handler and a guy who can create off the dribble.


you know, I've always tried to be friends with the boneheaded people. Because it's not that the smart people don't get me. they are just doing it on purpose.


well, people might start calling me smart for my boneheaded plays huh

[GimmeThat]

I suspect that too, but you can't prove it :confusedshrug:

Wade leaving money on the table isn't all bad. It means riley has flexibility to sign other free agents not named Lebron.


Lebron and Wade has only been teammates for four years.

that's a shorter time span than he's been with Cavs and the players/friends he left there.


Wade is/was a tremendous talent before Lebron teammed up with him. so what type of dirty could he be doing him?

[russwest0]

lmao no way lebron ****s over wade again

first the 2011 finals now this?

no ****ing way man

[russwest0]

by the way I leaked this shit days ago from my legit source :lol :lol :lol I made a thread about it

the source is actually crazy as hell to most people lol I was just emailing him and he explained this shit to me it all made sense more than enough to leak IMO

ill just say its based off clebeland getting first pick in llottery over and over but its definitely deeper than that cant reveal much tho

[BoutPractice]

by the way I leaked this shit days ago from my legit source :lol :lol :lol I made a thread about it

the source is actually crazy as hell to most people lol I was just emailing him and he explained this shit to me it all made sense more than enough to leak IMO

ill just say its based off clebeland getting first pick in llottery over and over but its definitely deeper than that cant reveal much tho
Not that I necessarily believe you, but are you implying that the lottery was rigged?

[aj1987]

Not that I necessarily believe you, but are you implying that the lottery was rigged?
Dude is a conspiracy nut.

[TheMan]

Why everyone thinks they need Love so badly ?? They will have enough scoring options and rebounding shouldn't be a problem either.
This, I think.Bennett is going to be very good down the road. I'd probably try to add a vet but I wouldn't move AB, Kyrie, Wiggins, Waiters, and TT. Dat young talent with LeBron on top of that.:eek:

[KingPush]

Will Deng stay if Lebron comes? He would be a good veteran(kinda) presence

[RoundMoundOfReb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W07tSPwTMs

[Natureland]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W07tSPwTMs
TNT>>>>>>>>>>>ESPN/ABC opening night Cavs vs. Pacers game gonna be wild.

[Uncle Drew]

Will Deng stay if Lebron comes? He would be a good veteran(kinda) presence
No, the Cavs want nothing to do with Deng.

[KingPush]

No, the Cavs want nothing to do with Deng.
interesting. Do you think Lebron is even enough to take the team all the way? has it ever happened before, a lottery team going to the finals?

[Sakkreth]

interesting. Do you think Lebron is even enough to take the team all the way? has it ever happened before, a lottery team going to the finals?
You asking this seriously or you were born past 2007?

[poido123]

You asking this seriously or you were born past 2007?


He does sound young, take it easy on him :cheers:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

interesting. Do you think Lebron is even enough to take the team all the way? has it ever happened before, a lottery team going to the finals?
'08 celtics... of course they got 2 star players not one...

[KingPush]

'08 celtics... of course they got 2 star players not one...
shit im an idiot my bad :hammerhead:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard

[LBJ 23]

If this tweet is true it looks like they are desperately trying to convince him to stay.

[yeaaaman]

If this tweet is true it looks like they are desperately trying to convince him to stay.

Either that, or he's making sure he does it right this time - informing everyone face to face, that he isn't coming back.

[step_back]

They have a great future ahead of them if he does go back there. I don't think they will win right away because they are very young at their core but give it a few years and I could see them coming out of the East and getting a chip.

If LeBron won a chip in Cleveland it would redeem the decision.

[Nick Young]

LOL will cavs fans buy new James jerseys to replace the ones they burned?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ImCpNqbJw

[raprap]

Just get it over bron. Hopefully this will end tomorrow. It would be an interesting season if he does come back though.

[Sakkreth]

Either that, or he's making sure he does it right this time - informing everyone face to face, that he isn't coming back.
If it's only for telling face to face why Wade is included? They' ve met recently. Unless meeting with Wade was casual, if it's just to tell em face to face Wade wouldn't be there. Bosh isn't there though, I think Miami wants convince Bron to stay and get rid of Bosh and possibly sign Melo instead. Melo being main selling point to convince Bron to stay.

[step_back]

If it's only for telling face to face why Wade is included? They' ve met recently. Unless meeting with Wade was casual, if it's just to tell em face to face Wade wouldn't be there. Bosh isn't there though, I think Miami wants convince Bron to stay and get rid of Bosh and possibly sign Melo instead. Melo being main selling point to convince Bron to stay.

Melo, Wade and Bron doesn't make any sense for Miami. Simply adding big names doesn't solve their problems. They would have serious gaps at the 4-5 position.

[DukeDelonte13]

IMO the fact that Miami is bringing that group when Lebron said himself earlier he has no reason to hear anything from MIA is kind of telling.

To me, its indicative that the Heat have no idea what he's going to do.

I'm not saying Lebron to Cle is a done deal, but the more news that comes out day after day the more likely it seems.



One potential pro Miami situation I can think of is that Bosh and Wade wanted long term deals to balance out their pay cuts and Lebron only wanted a 2 year and this meeting is to iron out the details.

I don't know though. I just hope it ends tonight.

[BoutPractice]

Just get it over bron. Hopefully this will end tomorrow. It would be an interesting season if he does come back though.
This will most likely be over either today or tomorrow.

From the info we have, it seems like either LeBron is already decided and it's Cleveland (possibly with a Love deal coming afterwards), or he's still undecided and the Heat hope to sell him on Melo bringing new energy to the team.

They can't sell him on the current Big 3 + a worse team (if LeBron is seriously considering Cleveland that means he's not seriously considering this option), so at this point it's Melo or nothing.

The meeting, if it's more than just a formality, should decide the issue.

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

either way its a lose-lose on bron's image.

[DukeDelonte13]

either way its a lose-lose on bron's image.


that's what you think.

He comes back to Cleveland, he's a hero again.

You have no idea how crazed and dedicated that region is for their sports.

Lebron as a ringless kid was 100x more loved in Cleveland than he was as a 2 time champ in Miami.

[Sakkreth]

either way its a lose-lose on bron's image.

No it's not. If he joins cleveland it's massive boost to his image. But if he resigns with miami it will be a blow to his image due to all talks about coming back to cleveland which would end being just a tease for cavs fans.

[UK2K]

My brother works on the marketing team at Nike way up there, and said Lebron has informed Nike of his decision to return to Cleveland.

They're working up a 'revive Cleveland sports' type campaign with Manziel and Lebron as the headliners.

[GoSpursGo1984]

http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/BMIGqRkCYAAUSBH.jpg-large-500x467.jpeg

[Sakkreth]

My brother works on the marketing team at Nike way up there, and said Lebron has informed Nike of his decision to return to Cleveland.

They're working up a 'revive Cleveland sports' type campaign with Manziel and Lebron as the headliners.
I don't mind personally. But I think you shouldn't write such stuff if you have no proof and 0 credibility as a poster.

[Shade8780]

My biological, deadbeat father is LeBron, and he told my mom he's going to Cleveland.

Melo's actually my sister's dad too from an affair in the past, and he said he's going to Chicago.

[1~Gibson~1]

My brother works on the marketing team at Nike way up there, and said Lebron has informed Nike of his decision to return to Cleveland.

They're working up a 'revive Cleveland sports' type campaign with Manziel and Lebron as the headliners.
Lebron + Manziel?

Oooooh shiiii

[DonD13]

he's not going to Cleveland

i know it

[longtime lurker]

Uh if LeBron goes back to Cleveland I can't wait for endless mixes of dirty money's I'm coming home. Expect the NBA to run that song into the ground.

[raprap]

Uh if LeBron goes back to Cleveland I can't wait for endless mixes of dirty money's I'm coming home. Expect the NBA to run that song into the ground.
Tru :oldlol:

[tontoz]

It will be pretty funny if he is just trolling Cleveland and stays in Miami.

Given all the f-ups the Cavs have made since he left it would be understandable if he didn't want to go back.

[UK2K]

I don't mind personally. But I think you shouldn't write such stuff if you have no proof and 0 credibility as a poster.

You can choose to believe it or not, I'm not forcing anyone to listen to what I have to say...

I'm just passing along what he told me. You're welcome.

[InfiniteBaskets]

If LBJ goes back to Cleveland, they'd also get Ray Allen for free essentially.

Irving / Jack
Waiters / Ray
Wiggins / LeBron
LeBron / Thomas / Benett
Varejao / Thomas / Benett

The only issue would be perimeter defense. And coaching staff...

Maybe they'll recruit Riley over as coach as well? LeBron could seriously win 2 or 3 more rings with that roster. At the very least he would be favorites to make the finals for the next 4 years.

[Doctor Rivers]

If LBJ goes back to Cleveland, they'd also get Ray Allen for free essentially.

Irving / Jack
Waiters / Ray
Wiggins / LeBron
LeBron / Thomas / Benett
Varejao / Thomas / Benett

The only issue would be perimeter defense. And coaching staff...

Maybe they'll recruit Riley over as coach as well? LeBron could seriously win 2 or 3 more rings with that roster. At the very least he would be favorites to make the finals for the next 4 years.

cleveland already has the coach they want

[InfiniteBaskets]

cleveland already has the coach they want
Unproven in the NBA, but yes they do have the man they want. I think even if he's the real deal it'll take some time for Blatt to get a feel for how the NBA is played. There are more superstar calls here, a little bit more leeyway in traveling violations etc...

Plus Irving can be a bit of a ballhog, the exact opposite of Euro style.

[DukeDelonte13]

Unproven in the NBA, but yes they do have the man they want. I think even if he's the real deal it'll take some time for Blatt to get a feel for how the NBA is played. There are more superstar calls here, a little bit more leeyway in traveling violations etc...

Plus Irving can be a bit of a ballhog, the exact opposite of Euro style.


Eh, he was starting to come around last season in that department I only expect him to continue to improve in that area, especially if he isn't the team leader anymore.

[FatComputerNerd]

If LBJ goes back to Cleveland, they'd also get Ray Allen for free essentially.

Irving / Jack
Waiters / Ray
Wiggins / LeBron
LeBron / Thomas / Benett
Varejao / Thomas / Benett

The only issue would be perimeter defense. And coaching staff...

Maybe they'll recruit Riley over as coach as well? LeBron could seriously win 2 or 3 more rings with that roster. At the very least he would be favorites to make the finals for the next 4 years.

We just hired a new coach, and I don't think Riley is coaching anymore?

I also don't see how permiter D is a problem. Kyrie may not be the strongest defender in the world, but he isn't as bad as people like to say, and Dion works hard on D.

Then you have Lebron and Wiggins, both of whom are known to be elite defenders, along with one of the best pick & roll defenders in the league in Andy V.

[Uncle Drew]

JARRETT JACK @Jarrettjack03

[ArbitraryWater]

So where are we at right now?

Looked like he was going back to CLE, all reports seemed to go that way... Then, he has the meeting with Riley... Afterwards the reports stop, he won't talk with any more teams, and is now talking things over with La Familia... So he right now is still torn between Miami / Cleveland?

God LeBron, get it over with and sign with the Cavs... the only right choice to make. Not just from a loyalty "right thing to do" standpoint, but also basketball wise, the only logical DECISION.

[pmj]

Riley:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsMJQnMCMAIjvDZ.jpg:large

Remember the "Akron hates you" chant?