Protein Powder....which brand do you use?

[therammingman]

Which brand do you currently use and which others have you used recently?

Anyone try musclepharm? bodybuilding.coms in house protein powder brand? others?

[Meticode]

Try to use brands that don't have metallic or high levels of lead in them. There's an article and research on which ones to stay away from.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/what-our-tests-found/index.htm

[Fudge]

Whey Protein

[masonanddixon]

Everyone who takes protein powder and/or supplements will develop cancer before age 50

[STATUTORY]

I only use the best NON GMO, organic, synthetic hormone free supplements.

I drink semen

hard to get that shit in powder form doe

[russwest0]

Optimum Nutrition Double Rich Chocolate is the most consistent and best one to get

[E_Stamkos]

Been getting good gains off this stuff. A little more expensive for less quantity though

http://www.vitacost.com/Images/Products/1000/Jarrow-Formulas/Jarrow-Formulas-Organic-Whey-Protein-French-Vanilla-790011218180.jpg

[E_Stamkos]

Sorry for the big pic

[Draz]

Whey protein isolate I believe by gnc. There's also a official fitness thread available to ask questions

[QuebecBaller]

I like to change many time, because I'm getting tired of the taste. The last I used were Athletic Nutrients, Beyond Yourself, Revolution Nutrition and Nutrabolics

[outbreak]

can't believe people still take this shit....
Go see a proper trainer and a proper nutritionist if you're trying to build muscle.

[inclinerator]

optimum has the highest percentage of actual listed protein so i would go with them

[masonanddixon]

Its made from milk you dumb piece of used toilet paper.
Optimum nutrition tastes the best, but its a bit more expensive. Cytosport/muscle milk have weird after tastes. I thini I had a walmart brand once that was awful.

LMAO, you'll have a rhambdomyosarcoma by 50. Have fun.

[Akrazotile]

the **** is proetein powder??

[CelticBaller]

Optimum

[plowking]

can't believe people still take this shit....
Go see a proper trainer and a proper nutritionist if you're trying to build muscle.

:facepalm :rolleyes:

I bet you've never lifted longer than 3 months straight.

Seriously, it's easy to pick you idiots from a mile away. I love being told what is good for me and what isn't by people I just meet when they look like they haven't bothered to go through the effort of weight lifting for more than 3-6 months at a time.

For those of us who lift 300+lbs on every lift, and enjoy what we do, and the results we see, I think we can determine for ourselves if it is good for us, or beneficial for what we want to achieve.

[IamRAMBO24]

Been getting good gains off this stuff. A little more expensive for less quantity though

http://www.vitacost.com/Images/Products/1000/Jarrow-Formulas/Jarrow-Formulas-Organic-Whey-Protein-French-Vanilla-790011218180.jpg

:rockon:

I have this.

[Akrazotile]

:facepalm :rolleyes:

I bet you've never lifted longer than 3 months straight.

Seriously, it's easy to pick you idiots from a mile away. I love being told what is good for me and what isn't by people I just meet when they look like they haven't bothered to go through the effort of weight lifting for more than 3-6 months at a time.

For those of us who lift 300+lbs on every lift, and enjoy what we do, and the results we see, I think we can determine for ourselves if it is good for us, or beneficial for what we want to achieve.



Post a pic bro, lets see da gunz

[masonanddixon]

Post a pic bro, lets see da gunz

The sad thing about this is that I actually know plowking in person.

On ISH, he dunks with ease and benches 300+lbs; in real life he's a gangly pasty white Australian who can't make a layup on an empty basket.

[plowking]

The sad thing about this is that I actually know plowking in person.

On ISH, he dunks with ease and benches 300+lbs; in real life he's a gangly pasty white Australian who can't make a layup on an empty basket.

You know me, but somehow you don't know I'm not actually Australian?

[Im Still Ballin]

Get the cheapest brand. It's just whey protein. 95% of the supplement industry is bullshit. You won't get better gainz if you take a big label whey protein over a cheaper one.

Save yourself the cash, get a cheap ass whey, and use that money on a cheap ass creatine mono (very cheap) and take 3-5g of that a day. With the even more money you saved, go make sure your food is in order, you will reach your calories, macros, because that is way more important than what brand of whey protein you take.

Also my advice, get your vitamins and minerals in order. Get a 10,000 IU Vitamin D3 supplement, a zinc supplement, some Iodine, and a cheap multi vitamin. You can get this shit dirt cheap on the net. Trust me, 300 10,000 IU D3 capsules i got for like 6 bucks off iherb. Trust me, D3 is a must have, especially if you don't get much sunlight, or live in a particular place.

[ThePhantomCreep]

can't believe people still take this shit....
Go see a proper trainer and a proper nutritionist if you're trying to build muscle.

Protein powders are a quick, cheap, low-calorie source of protein. Nothing wrong with them at all.

[masonanddixon]

You know me, but somehow you don't know I'm not actually Australian?

You live in Australia, go to UQ, you're Australian. If you want to claim to be Serbian then go back to your country and get the hell out of Australia.

[plowking]

You live in Australia, go to UQ, you're Australian. If you want to claim to be Serbian then go back to your country and get the hell out of Australia.

Cool, you've listed the things I have actually bothered to share with the forum.

Something as simple as sharing which degree I do shouldn't be an issue for you to specify seeing as you know me. Especially in person. :oldlol:

[masonanddixon]

Cool, you've listed the things I have actually bothered to share with the forum.

Something as simple as sharing which degree I do shouldn't be an issue for you to specify seeing as you know me. Especially in person. :oldlol:

mechanical engineeringg

[plowking]

mechanical engineeringg

:oldlol:

You tried.

[masonanddixon]

:oldlol:

You tried.

Ok man, sorry I blew your cover. I actually think you're a nice guy in person. Lots of people like to pretend they are good at basketball so it's not a big deal.

Maybe I'll head out to St. Lucia on saturday and play if you're around on the outdoor courts.

[plowking]

Ok man, sorry I blew your cover. I actually think you're a nice guy in person. Lots of people like to pretend they are good at basketball so it's not a big deal.

Maybe I'll head out to St. Lucia on saturday and play if you're around on the outdoor courts.

I'd honestly be cool with catching up and shooting some hoops at UQ if you're keen. I don't take anything on here seriously, so it's fine with me if you actually do live in Brisbane lol.

[masonanddixon]

I'd honestly be cool with catching up and shooting some hoops at UQ if you're keen. I don't take anything on here seriously, so it's fine with me if you actually do live in Brisbane lol.

Yeah let's plan on Saturday. Maybe go to the Bowery Saturday night if you're into that.

[plowking]

Yeah let's plan on Saturday. Maybe go to the Bowery Saturday night if you're into that.

:oldlol:

I'd love to know who this actually is. :oldlol:

[masonanddixon]

:oldlol:

I'd love to know who this actually is. :oldlol:

Just roll with it and bask in the beauty when we both nail MILFs Saturday night in the Valley

[bergs14]

Well damn

[step_back]

I use PHD Pharma whey. I have one shake after a workout and that's it. Everything else is done with food. I eat 5-6 times a day.

[bdreason]

Been a couple years since I used a protein supplement, but I always like ProLab N Large2. The Chocolate was easy to hand shake with water and put down.

http://www.amazon.com/N-Large-Powder-3-8-lb/dp/B0000ABP1J

[fiddy]

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/images/product/large/54422.jpg

[aj1987]

LMAO, you'll have a rhambdomyosarcoma by 50. Have fun.
Still pretending to be a doctor. Sad. :oldlol:

[russwest0]

interrupting this thread to inform you all that I have the same geneotype that nearly all world class sprinters have

me > you

[BlazerRed]

Optimum Nutrition Gold

[Balla_Status]

See you guys in the valley Sat night. I think I've been to the Bowery now that I looked it up on google. Sketchy cocktail bar next to the bank?

[masonanddixon]

See you guys in the valley Sat night. I think I've been to the Bowery now that I looked it up on google. Sketchy cocktail bar next to the bank?

No it's across from the Beat...what city are you in?

[alenleomessi]

prostar 100% whey
its very cheap plus they give me creatine with it

[Draz]

Quick question. Is it bad to be obsessed with how much grams of whey you take from the whey protein supplement? I see some offer as low as 25g but others up to 60g.

[Trentknicks]

Quick question. Is it bad to be obsessed with how much grams of whey you take from the whey protein supplement? I see some offer as low as 25g but others up to 60g.
You've got to calculate how many grams per serving VS how many servings total. If one's offering 60g serve just half scoop it each time.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

lol if you want to increase weight just eat eat eat.
eat whatever( meat,cheese,noodles,sweets are the best) and just train everyday.
i looked better than most guys in the fitness center stuffing themselves with protein drinks and steroids.
some people actually asked me if i

[pauk]

Just any good quality, as long as it consists of 100% Whey, doesnt hurt if it has also aminos etc. I usually change/try different ones, the last one was:

http://suplementy.pl/galerie/s/scitec-100-whey-protein_954.jpg

[hateraid]

Get the cheapest brand. It's just whey protein. 95% of the supplement industry is bullshit. You won't get better gainz if you take a big label whey protein over a cheaper one.

Save yourself the cash, get a cheap ass whey, and use that money on a cheap ass creatine mono (very cheap) and take 3-5g of that a day. With the even more money you saved, go make sure your food is in order, you will reach your calories, macros, because that is way more important than what brand of whey protein you take.

Also my advice, get your vitamins and minerals in order. Get a 10,000 IU Vitamin D3 supplement, a zinc supplement, some Iodine, and a cheap multi vitamin. You can get this shit dirt cheap on the net. Trust me, 300 10,000 IU D3 capsules i got for like 6 bucks off iherb. Trust me, D3 is a must have, especially if you don't get much sunlight, or live in a particular place.

Just curious as to where you get your information from? Not trying to insult you but you seem misinformed

[hateraid]

Which brand do you currently use and which others have you used recently?

Anyone try musclepharm? bodybuilding.coms in house protein powder brand? others?

Not a Musclepharm fan. Bodybuilding.com is a skewed place to buy protein. I wouldn't go by their recommendations.

[hateraid]

Everyone who takes protein powder and/or supplements will develop cancer before age 50

What in protein powder is going to do this if you don't mind me asking?

[hateraid]

can't believe people still take this shit....
Go see a proper trainer and a proper nutritionist if you're trying to build muscle.

Protein powder is no different that any other form of protein at the end of the day.
BTW, I'm a trained nutritionist and got my degree at U of F. A proper trainer is far less educated that a proper nutritionist when it comes to giving advice on nutrition

[hateraid]

Right now I'm using our iso-100 Birthday Cake flavor. So yummy. This is hydrolysed protein. Fastest absorbing protein on the market

http://www.smartpowders.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/y/dymatize_birthday_cake.jpg

[Im Still Ballin]

Just curious as to where you get your information from? Not trying to insult you but you seem misinformed
Tell me where I'm misinformed?

If your talking about the vitamins? Thats just what I'd advise someone to spend the extra cash they are saving from using a basic whey. They are more so for general well being and health, which is important in any physical exercise, in this case weight training usually.

[hateraid]

Tell me where I'm misinformed?

If your talking about the vitamins? Thats just what I'd advise someone to spend the extra cash they are saving from using a basic whey. They are more so for general well being and health, which is important in any physical exercise, in this case weight training usually.

Are you familiar with any manufacturing standards?
There are many filler the industry uses in order to bring down costs. Not to mention sourcing raw material in what they use in their product. Prices are adjusted accordingly to standards and quality of material. For all you know the "cheap" brand can have a certain percentage of useless fillers.

As for the vitamins, I fully support that. But you don't replace protein with vitamins. Macro and micro work together like nails and wood when building a house.
Also vitamin d in those dosages are in extremely rare cases. You'd have to live in the North Pole to rely on those dosages.

[Bonesaw]

wow strong, so strong

[Im Still Ballin]

Are you familiar with any manufacturing standards?
There are many filler the industry uses in order to bring down costs. Not to mention sourcing raw material in what they use in their product. Prices are adjusted accordingly to standards and quality of material. For all you know the "cheap" brand can have a certain percentage of useless fillers.

As for the vitamins, I fully support that. But you don't replace protein with vitamins. Macro and micro work together like nails and wood when building a house.
Also vitamin d in those dosages are in extremely rare cases. You'd have to live in the North Pole to rely on those dosages.
Protein is protein. End of story. It wouldn't be on the shelf if it didn't pass certain standards. Besides, even the expensive brands have questionable fillers/substances in them. Just look at the shit BB.com was selling, i remember they got exposed for some of the supplements they were selling.

Besides, what brand of protein powder, or how fast it absorbs is frankly not that important. As long as you are getting an adequate amount for your goals, and you are reaching the right amount of calories you need, then you are fine. Calories in vs calories out IMO is more important than protein quality. The difference a "high quality" protein supplement would make is soo small it's insignificant. There are far more important issues in relation to training progression and LBM gains.

I never said replace protein with vitamins. I said save your money buying a cheaper whey protein and spend your savings on vitamins. I take 10,000 IU a day of D3 and i live in Perth. Is it overkill? Maybe, but your better off with 10,000 IU than barely 1000 IU. Plus the 10k IU capsules i got were dirt cheap. Absolute steal.

[hateraid]

Protein is protein. End of story. It wouldn't be on the shelf if it didn't pass certain standards. Besides, even the expensive brands have questionable fillers/substances in them. Just look at the shit BB.com was selling, i remember they got exposed for some of the supplements they were selling.

I'll agree that protein is protein once it is all fully digested into the system and exact calorie count, but stating premium brands with certain quality control is equal to cheaper brands is like saying a Lexus is the same as a Hyundai. You're neglecting certain manufacturing standards such as GMP, NSF, certain FDA approval. You're also neglecting certain useless fillers companies use to make it look good on the label but make no sense in the product and drive down costs. Anyone can get a product on the market just like anyone can build a car.


Besides, what brand of protein powder, or how fast it absorbs is frankly not that important. As long as you are getting an adequate amount for your goals, and you are reaching the right amount of calories you need, then you are fine. Calories in vs calories out IMO is more important than protein quality. The difference a "high quality" protein supplement would make is soo small it's insignificant. There are far more important issues in relation to training progression and LBM gains.
I'll agree there that at the end of the day 1gr of protein = 1 gr of any other protein in the world. However rate of absorption is a very significant contributor to certain goals. There are ones with an anabolic rate of 2 hours compared to ones that have an anabolic rate up to 10 hours. This affect everything from muscle building to weight management. Also there are proteins that digest withing minutes compared to some that digest after an hour.
But my overall issue with what you said is the cheaper brands not based on result, but based on the material you're paying for. Again compare the Lexus to a Hyundai. Both get you to point A to point B. According to your logic they both will get you there the same way so might as well buy the Hyundai.


I never said replace protein with vitamins. I said save your money buying a cheaper whey protein and spend your savings on vitamins. I take 10,000 IU a day of D3 and i live in Perth. Is it overkill? Maybe, but your better off with 10,000 IU than barely 1000 IU. Plus the 10k IU capsules i got were dirt cheap. Absolute steal.
Fair enough. I might have misread you. But take my suggestions about protein and apply them to vitamins. Same goes for quality control as well.

[Bonesaw]

Now this pinoy is hatin on my fvkin elantra!

my whip just as good as any overpriced lexus

[Stempel, HERB]

:rolleyes: umpteenth time hateraid is pretending to be an authority on the subject, peddling his sleazy products.

[The_Night_Elf]

Right now I'm using our iso-100 Birthday Cake flavor. So yummy. This is hydrolysed protein. Fastest absorbing protein on the market

http://www.smartpowders.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/y/dymatize_birthday_cake.jpg

My friend uses that. Says it's quality is really high.

[ThePhantomCreep]

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]lol if you want to increase weight just eat eat eat.
eat whatever( meat,cheese,noodles,sweets are the best) and just train everyday.
i looked better than most guys in the fitness center stuffing themselves with protein drinks and steroids.
[B]some people actually asked me if i

[ThePhantomCreep]

This is my go-to protein powder, Costco always has it. 75 servings, 27 grams per, and $50.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p4T7uTbCeRI/T7B9rbFUlkI/AAAAAAAAAHc/ghNbiJMV_DU/s1600/Protein.JPG

[riseagainst]

optimum nutrition gold standard whey is the measuring stick in today's whey protein standards.

[Bonesaw]

I eat lots of chocolate chip cookies. My results aren't as good but my life is much much better

[therammingman]

Have any of you guys purchased Musclepharm's Arnold Iron Whey?

[plowking]

I'll agree there that at the end of the day 1gr of protein = 1 gr of any other protein in the world. However rate of absorption is a very significant contributor to certain goals. There are ones with an anabolic rate of 2 hours compared to ones that have an anabolic rate up to 10 hours. This affect everything from muscle building to weight management. Also there are proteins that digest withing minutes compared to some that digest after an hour.


Most WPI's are produced in the same factories. :oldlol:

Some digest within minutes compared to a couple of hours? Once again, it doesn't matter, as long as you get it in your body. If you want a slower absorbing protein, you get casien and have it before you sleep. Otherwise, any cheap WPI is fine, as long as it is of a high % of protein.

[plowking]

optimum nutrition gold standard whey is the measuring stick in today's whey protein standards.

No, it isn't. There are protein brands with higher concentrations of protein in them.

[hateraid]

Most WPI's are produced in the same factories. :oldlol:

I'm confused. Wasn't this conversation initiated with I'm still ballin'? Well, we got this alt figured out.
I'm familiar with WPI's being in manufactured in the same factories. We make for a couple of brands. In regards to HOW it's manufactured, there are variances from brand to brand. For example:
Take brand X vs brand Y. Brand X may put glutamine peptides in their WPI. Why? Because it shows up as part of the protein ratio. Do we need it? No. They put it in because it is a source of cheaper material to bring down costs.
I can go on and on about how things are manufactured and label tricks, but I guess your the expert and it's all the same.....



Some digest within minutes compared to a couple of hours? Once again, it doesn't matter, as long as you get it in your body. If you want a slower absorbing protein, you get casien and have it before you sleep. Otherwise, any cheap WPI is fine, as long as it is of a high % of protein.

My comment is not about comparing isolates to isolates, I was referring protein to protein. For example Gold Standard is a blend vs Iso-100, it will absorb at different rates. A blend may take hours to fully digest against a Hydrolyzed which takes minutes when you go gram per gram. A longer digesting protein is better for weight loss and anabolic rate. But again, your the expert..Would you like a job? Since apparently all proteins are the same maybe you can negotiate costs so we can charge a cheaper rate....

[Lamar Doom]

http://s28.postimg.org/nir4ddc5p/photo_17.png

I've never used protein powder. I do the protein and greens for breakfast with an assortment of vitamins and the EAS thingy after my workout. Chicken and broccoli is my primary meal. I f*ck with almonds or slices of turkey if I need a snack. I'm really trying to avoid getting bulky muscles, I like a leaner frame, I understand protein is important for muscle gain and weight loss but I assumed regular protein powder use was more geared towards gaining muscle. Should I switch it up? I lost about 30 pounds in 6 months so I figure I'm doing something right but definitely plateaued a bit lately.

[hateraid]

I'm using Dymatize Elite Gourmet right now. I'm not too particular really as long as it mixes easily since I just use shaker bottles.
:cheers:
Love the Cho-PB

[masonanddixon]

What in protein powder is going to do this if you don't mind me asking?

Unnatural muscle hypertrophy/hyperplasia-->cell cycle dysfunction over a period-->cancer. it's a relatively new trend so data on adverse effects is still in its early stages but in 10-20 years we will see a huge wave of rhambdomyosarcomas and possibly osteosarcomas as use of these mixes becomes even more rampant.

[hateraid]

http://s28.postimg.org/nir4ddc5p/photo_17.png

I've never used protein powder. I do the protein and greens for breakfast with an assortment of vitamins and the EAS thingy after my workout. Chicken and broccoli is my primary meal. I f*ck with almonds or slices of turkey if I need a snack. I'm really trying to avoid getting bulky muscles, I like a leaner frame, I understand protein is important for muscle gain and weight loss but I assumed regular protein powder use was more geared towards gaining muscle. Should I switch it up? I lost about 30 pounds in 6 months so I figure I'm doing something right but definitely plateaued a bit lately.

Check PM box. Hope that helps :cheers:

[Lamar Doom]

Check PM box. Hope that helps :cheers:

It's a picture of your hard dick. I guess that helps.

[oarabbus]

LMAO, you'll have a rhambdomyosarcoma by 50. Have fun.


Spell the disease right if you're going to attempt sounding smart. You've spelled it wrong every single post you've made.

Not to mention that's quite a rare disease. whey protein is simply a mixture of amino acids, which are building blocks for protein. It's very good for boosting your protein intake, it just shouldn't be used as a primary or only protein source. And protein powder does not cause "unnatural muscle hypertrophy or hyperplasia" that's what anabolic steroids do :facepalm you are literally full of it. Quit while you're behind.

[masonanddixon]

Spell the disease right if you're going to attempt sounding smart. You've spelled it wrong every single post you've made.

Not to mention that's quite a rare disease. whey protein is simply a mixture of amino acids, which are building blocks for protein. It's very good for boosting your protein intake, it just shouldn't be used as a primary or only protein source. And protein powder does not cause "unnatural muscle hypertrophy or hyperplasia" that's what anabolic steroids do :facepalm you are literally full of it. Quit while you're behind.

Bad keyboard.

I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not. I'm a 1st yr doctor and know quite a lot more about the subject than do you.

And yes it is unnatural. There's people with giant biceps and body transformations from these supplements, who likely cannot run 2 laps around a tiny park.
It will happen. At least when the first wave hits you'll be able to remember the guy who told you it would happen.

There's other shit too like milk-alkali and calcium homeostasis disruption that will occur, but rhabdomyosarcoma and osteosarcomas are the inevitable outcomes.

[oarabbus]

Bad keyboard.

I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not. I'm a 1st yr doctor and know quite a lot more about the subject than do you.

And yes it is unnatural. There's people with giant biceps and body transformations from these supplements, who likely cannot run 2 laps around a tiny park.
It will happen. At least when the first wave hits you'll be able to remember the guy who told you it would happen.

There's other shit too like milk-alkali and calcium homeostasis disruption that will occur, but rhabdomyosarcoma and osteosarcomas are the inevitable outcomes.


Are you a first year doctor or a first year medical student? Regardless, please, don't be so pretentious. I have a Biomedical Engineering background and know more than a few premeds (now med students) who couldn't cut it in that major. Cancer is far more complex than "hypertrophy->cell cycle dysfunction->cancer". YEah... thats true... but you conveniently left out how 'cell cycle dysfunction' encompasses dozens of different "failure types" which are the result of the interaction of hundreds if not thousands of genes and their specific expression. The PhDs working on cancer mechanisms know a hell of a lot more about cancer than 99.9999% of doctors, and the PhDs don't know much yet.

Oh and you provided absolutely no sources backing up your claim that hypertrophy somehow disrupts the cell cycle. If you really know so much more than me and everyone else provide some sources. I'm not here to pick a fight, I'm here to dispute statements that I have not heard any evidence for.

There are people with giant biceps and body transformations from anabolic steroid use, and it's well documented that steroids cause extreme, unnatural muscle growth. There really isn't much of a difference whether you eat 20g of protein in cheese, or drink 20g of protein in milk, or 20g of protein powder with regards to muscle hypertrophy.

Are you trying to argue that protein powder causes a muscle buliding effect on the same level as steroids? And even if you aren't, tell me, why didn't Arnold or his buddies get rhabdomyosarcoma, considering steroid use was RAMPANT amongst bodybuilders in the 70s/80s?


Again, if you would back up your statements with some evidence, hell even a prospective study, I'm all ears.

[masonanddixon]

Are you a first year doctor or a first year medical student? Regardless, please, don't be so pretentious. I have a Biomedical Engineering background and know more than a few premeds (now med students) who couldn't cut it in that major. Cancer is far more complex than "hypertrophy->cell cycle dysfunction->cancer". YEah... thats true... but you conveniently left out how 'cell cycle dysfunction' encompasses dozens of different "failure types" which are the result of the interaction of hundreds if not thousands of genes and their specific expression. The PhDs working on cancer mechanisms know a hell of a lot more about cancer than 99.9999% of doctors, and the PhDs don't know much yet.

Oh and you provided absolutely no sources backing up your claim that hypertrophy somehow disrupts the cell cycle. If you really know so much more than me and everyone else provide some sources. I'm not here to pick a fight, I'm here to dispute statements that I have not heard any evidence for.

There are people with giant biceps and body transformations from anabolic steroid use, and it's well documented that steroids cause extreme, unnatural muscle growth. There really isn't much of a difference whether you eat 20g of protein in cheese, or drink 20g of protein in milk, or 20g of protein powder with regards to muscle hypertrophy.

Are you trying to argue that protein powder causes a muscle buliding effect on the same level as steroids? And even if you aren't, tell me, why didn't Arnold or his buddies get rhabdomyosarcoma, considering steroid use was RAMPANT amongst bodybuilders in the 70s/80s?


Again, if you would back up your statements with some evidence, hell even a prospective study, I'm all ears.

First year doctor on a rad onc training pathway.

[That_Admiral]

I use mutant mass, really good!
http://reviews.bodybuilding.com/MUTANT/Mass/

[aj1987]

First year doctor on a rad onc training pathway.
http://i.imgur.com/Qgllity.jpg

[plowking]

I'm confused. Wasn't this conversation initiated with I'm still ballin'? Well, we got this alt figured out.

Yeah, clearly. :rolleyes:
Like I need an alt to get my actual thoughts out there on this forum.


I'm familiar with WPI's being in manufactured in the same factories. We make for a couple of brands. In regards to HOW it's manufactured, there are variances from brand to brand. For example:
Take brand X vs brand Y. Brand X may put glutamine peptides in their WPI. Why? Because it shows up as part of the protein ratio. Do we need it? No. They put it in because it is a source of cheaper material to bring down costs.
I can go on and on about how things are manufactured and label tricks, but I guess your the expert and it's all the same.....

Yes, there are differences in ingredients. Some are healthier than others, still doesn't take away that most still offer similar protein ratios and near identical performances.



My comment is not about comparing isolates to isolates, I was referring protein to protein. For example Gold Standard is a blend vs Iso-100, it will absorb at different rates. A blend may take hours to fully digest against a Hydrolyzed which takes minutes when you go gram per gram. A longer digesting protein is better for weight loss and anabolic rate. But again, your the expert..Would you like a job? Since apparently all proteins are the same maybe you can negotiate costs so we can charge a cheaper rate....

I've done enough reading and working out over my years to be well versed on the topic. I'm not an expert, but unlike you, I don't have an agenda to push. Most of this faster digesting protein and slower digesting protein being better for this and that shit that you're spewing is broscience that has been proven wrong time and time again anyway. You're probably still in the camp that thinks it's a must to get your protein shake within 30 minutes of working out.

[The_Night_Elf]

It's a picture of your hard dick. I guess that helps.

LOL.

As for the cancer convo...too many big words...I'm going to assume the gist of it is to avoid the Vanilla flaves...:rockon:

[hateraid]

Yeah, clearly. :rolleyes:
Like I need an alt to get my actual thoughts out there on this forum.

So why did you start the thread out under the I'm so ballin alias?



Yes, there are differences in ingredients. Some are healthier than others, still doesn't take away that most still offer similar protein ratios and near identical performances.

I never disputed that. I'm saying manufacturing processing are different that determines cost by adding byproduct to manipulate labels. I gave one method to drive down protein costs when I gave the example of glutamine peptides. Follow closely



I've done enough reading and working out over my years to be well versed on the topic. I'm not an expert, but unlike you, I don't have an agenda to push. Most of this faster digesting protein and slower digesting protein being better for this and that shit that you're spewing is broscience that has been proven wrong time and time again anyway. You're probably still in the camp that thinks it's a must to get your protein shake within 30 minutes of working out.

Right, so your internet research and gym interactions trump my 20 years experience in the industry on the retail, manufacturing, and distribution level and the fact that I'm employed by the largest sports nutrition manufacturing company in the world as a product educator AND got a University degree on Nutrition. I've given advice without having to try and promote my brand. Man, I'm wasting my time talking to you.
Nothing I've said is "broscience". I've said manufacturing facts that determine costs. Guys like you are what the industry thrives on by printing articles for you to "self educate" and sway to a certain way of thinking. What you so blindly can't see is I haven't disputed what you said in regards to what protein does, I clearly said all proteins will get you to point A to point B the same way. I've ALWAYS promoted that idea. go check the debunking the industry thread I created.You do however get what you pay for as per my car reference. Yet you feel I have an agenda to peddle my stuff. keep believing that every package is the same. Go buy your 6-Star at Walmart for all I care. Those brands are laughing all the way to the bank. They pay sites like BB.com and site domains to tell you "all protein is all the same". You are probably wasting more on fillers than the actual protein itself. You read: label A say 23 grams of protein, label B reads 23 grams of protein, it must be the exact same.... it's all the same right?
You guys crack me up. Read the internet, walk around like experts, and get mad at the industry calling us bro scientist yet you don't even know 10% of what goes on within the manufacturing walls and the advertising. It's no different that watching CSI then calling yourself a detective. 99% of the stuff out there is written by guys like me to sway opinions. And like any type of research, you'll subject yourself to what YOU want to believe.
But hey tell me what you do? I'll just go on the net and do your job for you

[plowking]

So why did you start the thread out under the I'm so ballin alias?

Without going back right now, I don't know who actually started this thread. I don't even know who you were arguing with. Thirdly, you're an idiot for thinking I need two accounts for anything on here let alone arguing over protein powder with you. :oldlol:
I'm not whoever your claiming me to be, so cut the shit. I'm calling you out for your BS, and that is that.



Right, so your internet research and gym interactions trump my 20 years experience in the industry on the retail, manufacturing, and distribution level and the fact that I'm employed by the largest sports nutrition manufacturing company in the world as a product educator. Man, i'm wasting my time talking to you.
Nothing I've said is "broscience". I've said manufacturing facts that determine costs. Guys like you are what the industry thrives on by printing articles for you to "self educate" and sway to a certain way of thinking. What you so blindly can't see is I haven't disputed what you said in regards to what protein does, I clearly said all proteins will get you to point A to point B the same way. I've ALWAYS promoted that idea. go check the debunking the industry thread I created.You do however get what you pay for as per my car reference. Yet you feel I have an agenda to peddle my stuff. keep believing that every package is the same. Go buy your 6-Star at Walmart for all I care. Those brands are laughing all the way to the bank. You are probably wasting more on fillers than the actual protein itself. You read :label A say 23 grams of protein, label B reads 23 grams of protein, it must be the exact same.... it's all the same right?
You guys crack me up. Read the internet, walk around like experts, and get mad at the industry calling us bro scientist yet you don't even know 10% of what goes on within the manufacturing walls and the advertising. 99% of the stuff out there is written by guys like me to sway opinions. And like any type of research, you'll subject yourself to what YOU want to believe.
But hey tell me what you do? I'll just go on the net and do your job for you

My internet research and gym experience has done enough for me to put me in a position where in the summer I'm usually in single digits of body fat and can bench 315+lbs year round, while being able to deadlift 500+lbs. Clearly I've educated myself on the subject enough that I know what I'm doing to get the results I need and want. A comparison of cars to protein is about as bad as you can get, but I won't bother.

I'm not saying anything apart from you're full of shit with your views. Yeah, I'm clearly the one that read the internet and is walking around like an expert. I keep all my views and progress in the ISH fitness thread, but I will call you and the other poster, who I forgot, out on bullshit.

[hateraid]

And for the record people can buy whatever they want. I merely tell people my opinions. I've supported every brand and am great friends with most sports nutrition labels.
Guys like Plowking will dispute everything I say, even if I'm agreeing with them because we have some sort of hidden agenda, then go to the typical "broscience" song and dance.
I support my brand for different reasons. Because it's certified Gluten Free. Because it's NFS certified that the IMG academy can use the product. Because we've converted all products to non-GMO. Yet guys like Plowking call this all jibberish and agenda driven. That's why companies like the ones he buys from make shit products because they know there's a market out there for guys like him. The add shit fillers, call it protein and guys like Plowking believe it's all the same. Lol, you wouldn't believe the stuff our company has manufactured to sell to lower end companies because that market space is even more saturated.

[hateraid]

Without going back right now, I don't know who actually started this thread. I don't even know who you were arguing with. Thirdly, you're an idiot for thinking I need two accounts for anything on here let alone arguing over protein powder with you. :oldlol:
I'm not whoever your claiming me to be, so cut the shit. I'm calling you out for your BS, and that is that.

You continued a conversation started by i'm so ballin'. But if it's not you then so be it




My internet research and gym experience has done enough for me to put me in a position where in the summer I'm usually in single digits of body fat and can bench 315+lbs year round, while being able to deadlift 500+lbs. Clearly I've educated myself on the subject enough that I know what I'm doing to get the results I need and want. A comparison of cars to protein is about as bad as you can get, but I won't bother.

Again, thinking you look the part doesn't make you an expert. Just like I'm no more qualified to give training tips. I deal with guys like you all over the country. Some guys that are even anti protein with your same physical attributes. Those are some of the most unintelligent people in the industry


I'm not saying anything apart from you're full of shit with your views. Yeah, I'm clearly the one that read the internet and is walking around like an expert. I keep all my views and progress in the ISH fitness thread, but I will call you and the other poster, who I forgot, out on bullshit.

Again what shit views am I sharing? I'm sharing manufacturing details that are exposing how corrupt this industry is? I'm fighting for YOUR cause moron. Lol, again, I can agree with you, but yet you will go to the same agenda argument.

[Trentknicks]

Plowking can you just post a photo of yourself to shut him the **** up.

[hateraid]

Plowking can you just post a photo of yourself to shut him the **** up.

Because a picture makes him qualified to talk about nutrition? :facepalm
I'll just post a pic of me in my Sixer Jersey and call myself an NBA player.

But I guess I'm just some fatass suit trying to make a buck on the internet

[Trentknicks]

Because a picture makes him qualified to talk about nutrition? :facepalm
I'll just post a pic of me in my Sixer Jersey and call myself an NBA player.

But I guess I'm just some fatass suit trying to make a buck on the internet
You post a picture of yourself then, I'm horny.
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2012/7/16/14/anigif_enhanced-buzz-2387-1342464371-17.gif
****ing lol

[JohnnySic]

Whey:

http://www.aaasupplements.com.au/product_images/i/210/goldwhey__65081_std.jpg

And this:

http://www.vitacost.com/Images/Products/200/MuscleMeds/MuscleMeds-Carnivor-Beef-Protein-Blue-Raspberry-891597002177.jpg

[Draz]

Anyone recommend some good protein shakes? This boost chocolate is really good. But it's only like 15g

[hateraid]

Anyone recommend some good protein shakes? This boost chocolate is really good. But it's only like 15g
Just listen to plowking, it's all the same....
Don't want the sugar? No worries, they have carb controlled! You're on the right track. Listening to anyone on here is just broscience. There is no difference from the protein Boost uses and any reputable sports nutrition company
*sarcasm*

[Im Still Ballin]

I trust Plowking's advice over you Hateraid because I (and probably 99% of people in this thread taking a protein powder supplement) am in the business of weight training, becoming stronger and putting on muscle. You are complicating something as simple as protein. And by the way... Plow is right about the protein absorption and that you have to get your protein in immediately within 30 minutes of training. It's bullshit.

So if someone is taking a protein powder, THEN they are HIGHLY likely to be weight training and looking to pack on strength and size. Stop spitting your insignificant yap, stop trying to convince people to spend more money on protein.

PS- Im not Plowking, I just respect him because from everything I've personally seen him post, he knows what the **** he's talking about. I can identify straight away the real deal and the pretenders on ISH in the fit club thread.

[LBJ 23]

Guys how many of you can actually tell how many calories are you consuming (+-200kcal)? How many of you can actually tell how your macros are approximately sorted?

Because that's FARRRR more important for any gains or weight loss than what kind od protein powder you use. So cut the bullshit and rather focus on the important stuff.

[Im Still Ballin]

Guys how many of you can actually tell how many calories are you consuming (+-200kcal)? How many of you can actually tell how your macros are approximately sorted?

Because that's FARRRR more important for any gains or weight loss than what kind od protein powder you use. So cut the bullshit and rather focus on the important stuff.
This is what I'm saying. Tards like Hateraid are overemphasizing protein powder. Cheap does fine. A steak does best.

[hateraid]

This is what I'm saying. Tards like Hateraid are overemphasizing protein powder. Cheap does fine. A steak does best.
:facepalm
You can take advice from whoever you please and buy whatever you like. When have I ever overemphasized what protein to take? Just because I said there are proteins that absorb differently doesn't mean I said that is the end all and be all. Every supplement thread including the ones that I've created I've always endorsed the idea of protein is protein no matter what the source is. And I have never said take protein within half an hour after workout. I said certain ones can fully absorb within half an hour, doesn't mean I said that is the best one to take. But read into it however you like.
The only argument I presented is that not all manufacturers process protein the same. Saying the cheap stuff is fine is like saying Absolut is the same as Grey Goose, or a Hyundai is the same as Lexus. It's not the same and labels are manipulated to skew protein content.
You'd think this is helpful advice but somehow it's interpreted as agenda driven.
Again, believe what you want, you're exactly what cheap supplement companies target.

[Im Still Ballin]

:facepalm
You can take advice from whoever you please and buy whatever you like. When have I ever overemphasized what protein to take? Just because I said there are proteins that absorb differently doesn't mean I said that is the end all and be all. Every supplement thread including the ones that I've created I've always endorsed the idea of protein is protein no matter what the source is. And I have never said take protein within half an hour after workout. I said certain ones can fully absorb within half an hour, doesn't mean I said that is the best one to take. But read into it however you like.
The only argument I presented is that not all manufacturers process protein the same. Saying the cheap stuff is fine is like saying Absolut is the same as Grey Goose, or a Hyundai is the same as Lexus. It's not the same and labels are manipulated to skew protein content.
You'd think this is helpful advice but somehow it's interpreted as agenda driven.
Again, believe what you want, you're exactly what cheap supplement companies target.
If protein is protein (as you have agreed) then how does any of this matter in regards to gaining strength and size? How does it matter how it's made if the end result is still PROTEIN.

[LBJ 23]

This is what I'm saying. Tards like Hateraid are overemphasizing protein powder. Cheap does fine. A steak does best.


You're both right so no need to call him tard. Cheap does more than fine I completely agree with you but Hateraid is also telling the truth when he says that there are differencies between protein powders.

I personally don't use protein powders anymore because I like normal food more. Not that there's anything wrong with them. I would use them only when I would need high protein powder to make all kinds of desserts or when I'm cutting and I'm really low with calories so you don't want those extra fats and carbs in every meal, that's when protein powder comes to use for me.

EDIT: Thinking about it now I'm not so sure cheap is always fine but you can't be sure with expensive eihter. In the past I've read some studies where there were cheap powders with labels claiming that it contains like 80grams of protein/ 100grams of powder but when they tested it it contained like 5g of Protein/100g of powder.

So you never can be sure and nothing beats normal food.

[hateraid]

If protein is protein (as you have agreed) then how does any of this matter in regards to gaining strength and size? How does it matter how it's made if the end result is still PROTEIN.

Read the labels. Do you ever see glutamine peptides in protein? Why do you think it's in there? Because it's a fraction of the cost of whey protein but still contributes to the protein amount on the bottle. You know what glutamine peptides are? A cheap byproduct of gluten used as fillers that has little benefit yet contributes to overall protein amount. These and many more label tricks are used to drive down costs and are more prevelant in "cheaper" brands.
That and many more tricks are used to drive down costs. Like I said, you get what you pay for.
I can go on but it just falls on deaf ears, then supplement companies laugh all the way to the bank

[Im Still Ballin]

Read the labels. Do you ever see glutamine peptides in protein? Why do you think it's in there? Because it's a fraction of the cost of whey protein but still contributes to the protein amount on the bottle. You know what glutamine peptides are? A cheap byproduct of gluten used as fillers that has little benefit yet contributes to overall protein amount. These and many more label tricks are used to drive down costs and are more prevelant in "cheaper" brands.
That and many more tricks are used to drive down costs. Like I said, you get what you pay for.
I can go on but it just falls on deaf ears, then supplement companies laugh all the way to the bank
Tell me. Why do people take protein powders?

[hateraid]

Tell me. Why do people take protein powders?
Convenience

[Im Still Ballin]

Convenience
And what is that convenience?

[hateraid]

And what is that convenience?
To give people alternatives to fill nutritional gaps

I know where you're going with this, so just stop it. You can take what I say and interpret it any way you like. You're going to find a way to flip what I say into something negative so might as well cut it off before this gets long and drawn out

[1~Gibson~1]

Whey Protein isolate & Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass.

Serious Mass is a weight gainer but has lots of protein. Good shit.

[plowking]

Plowking can you just post a photo of yourself to shut him the **** up.

I have an account on bodybuilding.com with progress shots and I think 1 or 2 videos of lifts. If anyone is smart enough to find it, then by all means, go ahead and post them. They are on a public forum, so whatever I guess.

[plowking]

:facepalm
You can take advice from whoever you please and buy whatever you like. When have I ever overemphasized what protein to take? Just because I said there are proteins that absorb differently doesn't mean I said that is the end all and be all. Every supplement thread including the ones that I've created I've always endorsed the idea of protein is protein no matter what the source is. And I have never said take protein within half an hour after workout. I said certain ones can fully absorb within half an hour, doesn't mean I said that is the best one to take. But read into it however you like.
The only argument I presented is that not all manufacturers process protein the same. Saying the cheap stuff is fine is like saying Absolut is the same as Grey Goose, or a Hyundai is the same as Lexus. It's not the same and labels are manipulated to skew protein content.
You'd think this is helpful advice but somehow it's interpreted as agenda driven.
Again, believe what you want, you're exactly what cheap supplement companies target.

Didn't you just say prior in the thread that longer absorbing protein is used for weight loss compared to others? Yet, why do you have people taking casien before bed?

[hateraid]

Didn't you just say prior in the thread that longer absorbing protein is used for weight loss compared to others? Yet, why do you have people taking casien before bed?
The casein before bed is to remain anabolic throughout a whole sleep period. More traditional proteins keep an anabolic state for up to 4-6 hours. Then the body goes catabolic. Due to the nature of casein curddling in the system it has a slower release having a longer state of protein synthesis.
Bodybuilders who time their alarms to wake up to have their mid sleep protein use this as an alternative.
Now go and tell me about my broscience and dispute me which I know you so eagerly want to do

[FKAri]

The casein before bed is to remain anabolic throughout a whole sleep period. More traditional proteins keep an anabolic state for up to 4-6 hours. Then the body goes catabolic. Due to the nature of casein curddling in the system it has a slower release having a longer state of protein synthesis.
Bodybuilders who time their alarms to wake up to have their mid sleep protein use this as an alternative.
Now go and tell me about my broscience and dispute me which I know you so eagerly want to do

I thought this whole going catabolic over night scare was put to rest a few years ago?

[hateraid]

I thought this whole going catabolic over night scare was put to rest a few years ago?
Well like I've said, there's a market for everyone

[hateraid]

I actually don't like that flavor but I'm not big on peanut butter flavored stuff anyway. I dig the other ones though. You work for that company?

Yes I do.

[hateraid]

You're not jizzing in it are you?
Lol, only the peanut butter. You're safe

[plowking]

Well like I've said, there's a market for everyone

I find this particularly funny after your response to my post. :oldlol:

[hateraid]

I find this particularly funny after your response to my post. :oldlol:
Glad to entertain you

[plowking]

Glad to entertain you

I don't know why you're so upset. You clearly are pushing marketing hype in this thread. You know you are, yet you're calling me out, on what? :oldlol:

And you literally just did it. :oldlol:

[hateraid]

I don't know why you're so upset. You clearly are pushing marketing hype in this thread. You know you are, yet you're calling me out, on what? :oldlol:

And you literally just did it. :oldlol:

Upset at what? the fact that I'm just sharing my input and experience in the industry and you chose to insult me? What you interpret as marketing hype I'm just presenting manufacturing facts and then having the readers decide for themselves what they choose to believe.
Regardless of anything I'm going to say you're going to skew it into something negative. Regardless of what I said about a market space for casein I bet you were trying to conjure up something in regards to my response to you, NO MATTER WHAT I SAY. Am I right? I am, aren't I?
Quite frankly I'm done with this conversation and couldn't give a damn if this whole site doesn't support my product. You know what the reality is? While you're trying to convince people here that what I'm saying is shit, I'm getting paid great money to do the thing I love. Talk about supplements, help stores grow their businesses, and educate consumers. And to be honest, I'm quite good at it and in the 4 years I've worked with this company it's grown every year and only getting bigger. I get flown for free to work at bodybuilding venues like the O and the Arnolds, health shows, and supplement trade shows, hang and train with athletes and bodybuilders of all levels. I get free supplements anytime I want. And the kicker is, I get paid to do this and support my family. So whatever some internet gym jockey has to say about me has absolutely no bearing in my every day life. So really, I have no reason to be mad.
What's funny is I've dedicated 20 years of my life to the pursuit of health and fitness. I've achieved every type of possible results. I've won transformation contests and was sponsored at one point. We are on the same side here, yet it seems to me this means more to you that you got to be right. All I've done is answer people's questions about supplements. I tell them how I feel and they can go and judge for themselves. I give them no obligation to buy and fully support if they want to try another brand. You however have taken the approach to say "I'm right, don't listen to this fraud." That appraoch discourages people than get them motivated.
I've seen results come from every possible means and approaches. I know a guy with his pro card and won the overall in my state. The guy is all over every single BPI product like it's gospel. He refuses to eat any animal meat like fish, chicken or beef and swears by egg whites, pea protein, and hemp. Erin Stern who is one of our sponsored athletes get the majority of her protein not from protein powder or food, but from taking Dymatize BCAA's mixed with Liquid Aminos. I've personally travelled with her and am witness to this. And you know what? She's won multiple O's ALL NATURAL and has openly been drug tested. So if you chose to take casein before bed, take protein shakes, rely strictly on food....who are you and I to say what protein to take and how to take it? As long as people are achieving results that is fine with me and that has always been my intentions.
So you know what? Have at 'er. This is the reason I have never participated in the Fitness thread. Too many close minded individuals. So good luck to ya brah. I wish you the best in your training and results.

[plowking]

I would never insult you for pursuing what you want to and I don't believe I did, in fact I respect it if anything. I simply said you have a bias standpoint in the matter IMO, and I don't think your presenting people with the whole truth.

Cheap protein is far more cost effective in general than an expensive one regardless of what goes into it and what not.


So if you chose to take casein before bed, take protein shakes, rely strictly on food....who are you and I to say what protein to take and how to take it? As long as people are achieving results that is fine with me and that has always been my intentions.


This is exactly what I'm trying to get at, yet you say you are too, but it sure doesn't seem like it. My whole point in this thread is that most protein powders will give you similar results. Simply try and find one that is affordable for yourself and with a good ratio of protein to scoop size.



ave at 'er. This is the reason I have never participated in the Fitness thread. Too many close minded individuals. So good luck to ya brah. I wish you the best in your training and results.

I am far from close minded, and regularly take on fitness and nutrition advice from those who speak genuinely. If anything you should participate in the fitness thread, hardly anyone is completely dismissing of one another's ideas, and even posters that don't get along outside of it give each other credit, motivation and tips when needed.

[D-Rose]

30 g protein/scoop. low carbs and fat. creatine + whey.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81gUCdtmkOL._SL1500_.jpg

[hateraid]

I would never insult you for pursuing what you want to and I don't believe I did, in fact I respect it if anything. I simply said you have a bias standpoint in the matter IMO, and I don't think your presenting people with the whole truth.




Cheap protein is far more cost effective in general than an expensive one regardless of what goes into it and what not.




This is exactly what I'm trying to get at, yet you say you are too, but it sure doesn't seem like it. My whole point in this thread is that most protein powders will give you similar results. Simply try and find one that is affordable for yourself and with a good ratio of protein to scoop size.

If anything what I'm guilty of is being brutally honest. Take a look at it from my perspective for a change. I have no problem with the statement going out and getting a cost effective protein. In fact when I worked at GNC I endorsed that idea. Look back at threads I've created and the common theme I've always said is protein is protein no matter where you get it. The issue that I had was saying cheap protein is the same as the more expensive proteins. That in fact is not true and I gave insider examples of why it isn't. From there on I'm getting called out for having an agenda. How is being honest having an agenda? I didn't say take Dymatize, even thought I'm very proud of my brand. i said cheaper versions of protein will add fillers and call it protein. But if your prerogative it to save money, then by all means, get cheaper protein.

Put it this way
If I said Jordan and Kobe are both great players there would be no problem.
If I said Kobe and Jordan are very similar and one is just as sufficient as the other there would be a problem in that statement. That is were I am coming from and there is where the debate would start.




I am far from close minded, and regularly take on fitness and nutrition advice from those who speak genuinely. If anything you should participate in the fitness thread, hardly anyone is completely dismissing of one another's ideas, and even posters that don't get along outside of it give each other credit, motivation and tips when needed.

I've always been genuine. In fact before the fitness thread existed I've always been asked advice and been as courteous and helpful as possible. Ask most people in that thread. I pride myself on being a corteous and respectful poster all together. But as soon as I started working for Dymatize I've been treated as a shill. If you were so open minded why did you immediately jump down my throat about my protein comments? Because you have this preconceived notion that I work solely based on an advertising aspect. So no matter what I say you were going to dispute me regardless. That is why I avoided that thread. If I did have an agenda I would have hijacked that thread a long time ago. As for thinking the community in that thread is closed minded, plenty of those posters have PM'd me advice on certain supplements. I am not going to name them because I don't feel they are obligated to defend me. But I've been very discreet about it and have tried to be as open minded and extremely supportive and honest. If I was so agenda driven I would have taken their PM's and posted it in that thread just to flex my knowledge. I think they ask me because they don't feel comfortable discussing it in that thread, because I have skimmed through and never seen them post anything about that supplement. Maybe because they don't want the bro science criticism. Being excited about taking a supplement should never be frowned upon. And I have never endorsed relying on one to attain results.
And if you are open minded as much as you say, you say get a cheaper protein because you'll get similar results, why do you discourage those who choose to want to buy a more expensive protein? That is not open minded.
But again, I'm just going to continue answering private questions and avoid supplement discussions all together.

[Lamar Doom]

this is a strange thread to have such a lengthy argument in

[plowking]

If anything what I'm guilty of is being brutally honest. Take a look at it from my perspective for a change. I have no problem with the statement going out and getting a cost effective protein. In fact when I worked at GNC I endorsed that idea. Look back at threads I've created and the common theme I've always said is protein is protein no matter where you get it. The issue that I had was saying cheap protein is the same as the more expensive proteins. That in fact is not true and I gave insider examples of why it isn't. From there on I'm getting called out for having an agenda. How is being honest having an agenda? I didn't say take Dymatize, even thought I'm very proud of my brand. i said cheaper versions of protein will add fillers and call it protein. But if your prerogative it to save money, then by all means, get cheaper protein.

Put it this way
If I said Jordan and Kobe are both great players there would be no problem.
If I said Kobe and Jordan are very similar and one is just as sufficient as the other there would be a problem in that statement. That is were I am coming from and there is where the debate would start.





I've always been genuine. In fact before the fitness thread existed I've always been asked advice and been as courteous and helpful as possible. Ask most people in that thread. I pride myself on being a corteous and respectful poster all together. But as soon as I started working for Dymatize I've been treated as a shill. If you were so open minded why did you immediately jump down my throat about my protein comments? Because you have this preconceived notion that I work solely based on an advertising aspect. So no matter what I say you were going to dispute me regardless. That is why I avoided that thread. If I did have an agenda I would have hijacked that thread a long time ago. As for thinking the community in that thread is closed minded, plenty of those posters have PM'd me advice on certain supplements. I am not going to name them because I don't feel they are obligated to defend me. But I've been very discreet about it and have tried to be as open minded and extremely supportive and honest. If I was so agenda driven I would have taken their PM's and posted it in that thread just to flex my knowledge. I think they ask me because they don't feel comfortable discussing it in that thread, because I have skimmed through and never seen them post anything about that supplement. Maybe because they don't want the bro science criticism. Being excited about taking a supplement should never be frowned upon. And I have never endorsed relying on one to attain results.
And if you are open minded as much as you say, you say get a cheaper protein because you'll get similar results, why do you discourage those who choose to want to buy a more expensive protein? That is not open minded.
But again, I'm just going to continue answering private questions and avoid supplement discussions all together.

Like anything, more expensive does not mean better, and this is particularly true with protein powders especially. Even more so when you consider many of them are produced at the same place and just labelled differently after. All I was saying is, a lot of the more expensive brands aren't any better than the cheaper ones, and are just about the same thing when you get down to the fine details.

You clearly know what you're talking about, but some of the comments in here struck me as clear bullshit and advertising. It's whatever, I'm over talking about it too.

[hateraid]

Like anything, more expensive does not mean better, and this is particularly true with protein powders especially. Even more so when you consider many of them are produced at the same place and just labelled differently after. All I was saying is, a lot of the more expensive brands aren't any better than the cheaper ones, and are just about the same thing when you get down to the fine details.

You clearly know what you're talking about, but some of the comments in here struck me as clear bullshit and advertising. It's whatever, I'm over talking about it too.

This is exactly what I am trying to say. The fact is Dymatize IS one of those manufacturing companies that make products for other companies. Check the labels itself. a self manufactured company will say Manufactured BY. The ones made for other companies will say manufactured FOR on the label. That is why I know from personal experience why cheap protein is cheap and why pricier proteins are more expensive. I'm not saying it's the superior choice, I'm saying you will get what you pay for. For me personally my purchase driver is based primarily on taste. Like I keep saying you think that this information is taken as brutal honesty but it is taken as trying to hide something is completely confusing to me. I thought as a consumer I would like to know if something like glutamine peptides are added to skew protein profiles and that they are completely worthless yet they are added to the protein count as useful information. That this drives the costs down to make the cheaper proteins. That companies will by this from us at a dramatically cheap price and sell for a better margin. In fact isolates have the reputation of having the WORST margins. the better the quality, the worst the margin. As a business owner you WANT to promote cheaper protein because you make more MONEY. I guess I'm the naive one to think people would appreciate that info. Again, not promoting Dymatize, just stating the facts on why cheap protein is cheap.

[plowking]

I thought as a consumer I would like to know if something like glutamine peptides are added to skew protein profiles and that they are completely worthless yet they are added to the protein count as useful information. That this drives the costs down to make the cheaper proteins. That companies will by this from us at a dramatically cheap price and sell for a better margin. In fact isolates have the reputation of having the WORST margins. the better the quality, the worst the margin. As a business owner you WANT to promote cheaper protein because you make more MONEY. I guess I'm the naive one to think people would appreciate that info. Again, not promoting Dymatize, just stating the facts on why cheap protein is cheap.

You've said this several times throughout the thread, but in what way are peptides completely worthless? There have been numerous controlled tests that state otherwise, and they are in fact sold separately as well.
Sure it has its side effects, but so do a lot of protein supplements.

[Im Still Ballin]

plow shuttin this one down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hateraid pfft more like buy my powder aid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Balla_Status]

I know this isn't always the case but sometimes people that do work for companies where they specialize in the topic at hand are actually honest and not just trying to sell shit. And they might actually know more than you.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Can we all agree that Muscletech products are way overpriced :cheers:

The vast majority of my protein sources from whole food sources (egg whites, chicken, steak). Bodybuilding 101. That gets tiring, so a couple of scoops of whey protein (54 grams) mixed with water makes for a nice quick alternative. I'm sure there are better brands out there than the one I use, but I don't consider it all-important in overall my diet.

As for waking up in the middle of the night for some protein, hell no! Getting a full sleep cycle in is far more important IMO.

[Im Still Ballin]

I know this isn't always the case but sometimes people that do work for companies where they specialize in the topic at hand are actually honest and not just trying to sell shit. And they might actually know more than you.
I'm obviously having a laugh.

In the end:

My advice > hateraids

We in the weight lifting biz bro! Not the supplement one

[blacknapalm]

http://d12mafwafvawfa.cloudfront.net/media/catalog/product/cache/6/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/o/p/optimum_nutrition_100_whey_protein_-_gold_standard_natural_chocolate_5lbs/astronutrition.com-Optimum-Nutrition-100-Whey-Protein---Gold-Standard-Chocolate---5-lbs-31.jpg

has almost no additives and most of the basic amino acids. high % pure protein. extremely low fat and cholesterol. if you mix it with cow milk, that's where most of your fat will come from. tastes good even with water. easily mixes in a blender bottle. i'm soft of a fanboy of ON in general. i also take their opti-men multivitamins and i swear i haven't had any illness in over a year since i started taking it. those b vitamins even help in hangovers :oldlol: it's the best multi-vite i've taken and i don't see myself switching soon.

i think casein can help but is really expensive for what it does. i'd rather rely on a late night snack of low fat cottage cheese and peanuts. i think the effects of casein are overstated but obviously ppl are different.

then again, i'm not the most disciplined. my hours at work move around too much and it's not exactly super physical. i know my stuff, but i don't always apply it.

i'd love to move to a more vegan lifestyle (don't think i could give up meat completely). i obviously realize there's plenty of protein rich foods outside of meat. also, meats are highly gross when you think about it. there's animals that have tumors or pus in it...grocery stores just chop that part off and sell you the 'appealing' package.

[russwest0]

http://d12mafwafvawfa.cloudfront.net/media/catalog/product/cache/6/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/o/p/optimum_nutrition_100_whey_protein_-_gold_standard_natural_chocolate_5lbs/astronutrition.com-Optimum-Nutrition-100-Whey-Protein---Gold-Standard-Chocolate---5-lbs-31.jpg

has almost no additives and most of the basic amino acids. high % pure protein. extremely low fat and cholesterol. if you mix it with cow milk, that's where most of your fat will come from. tastes good even with water. easily mixes in a blender bottle. i'm soft of a fanboy of ON in general. i also take their opti-men multivitamins and i swear i haven't had any illness in over a year since i started taking it. those b vitamins even help in hangovers :oldlol: it's the best multi-vite i've taken and i don't see myself switching soon.

i think casein can help but is really expensive for what it does. i'd rather rely on a late night snack of low fat cottage cheese and peanuts. i think the effects of casein are overstated but obviously ppl are different.

then again, i'm not the most disciplined. my hours at work move around too much and it's not exactly super physical. i know my stuff, but i don't always apply it.

i'd love to move to a more vegan lifestyle (don't think i could give up meat completely). i obviously realize there's plenty of protein rich foods outside of meat. also, meats are highly gross when you think about it. there's animals that have tumors or pus in it...grocery stores just chop that part off and sell you the 'appealing' package.

in regards to their multi vitamins man i wouldnt take those I used to and they are okay but they overload you with way too much shit which can have harmful longterm effects

bodybuilding.com's own custom multivitamins are the best. not only are they cheap as hell but they have basically the perfect amount of everything and you only have to take 2 pills instead of 3 like with the optimum brand.

their protein powder though, yeah, it's perfect

[Im Still Ballin]

in regards to their multi vitamins man i wouldnt take those I used to and they are okay but they overload you with way too much shit which can have harmful longterm effects

bodybuilding.com's own custom multivitamins are the best. not only are they cheap as hell but they have basically the perfect amount of everything and you only have to take 2 pills instead of 3 like with the optimum brand.

their protein though, yeah, it's perfect
Bro its all about doubling down. Go hard. Or go home. I double ALL my vitamins. Cos you know I'm bout that life. I'm currently going HAM on 20,000 IU of D3 a day! Call me a madman.

[blacknapalm]

in regards to their multi vitamins man i wouldnt take those I used to and they are okay but they overload you with way too much shit which can have harmful longterm effects

bodybuilding.com's own custom multivitamins are the best. not only are they cheap as hell but they have basically the perfect amount of everything and you only have to take 2 pills instead of 3 like with the optimum brand.

their protein powder though, yeah, it's perfect

word. i usually only take 1 pill a day, sometimes 2 pills a day if i have a heavy meal. i realized it was overkill when i got it but it's really the only multi-vite i've trusted enough to commit to. i seriously don't see how they can recommend 3 a day though :oldlol: my piss is neon yellow even after drinking water for a couple hours.

i'll look into the bodybuilding.com's multis though.

[NotYetGreat]

I understand ON has probably the biggest fanbase (I think MP is just getting popular now, especially with all these MMA endorsers and stuff) over the years, but damn, I took that stuff for half a year and looking back, it was horrible.

I stopped taking whey altogether around two years ago (and oddly enough, replacing my protein shakes and eating IF style made me bigger), but Dymatize was the best-tasting out of ALL of them (ON GS and the natural included). Sat well with my stomach best too. Don't know why there's hate on Hateraid for it, but yeah, he was the one who encouraged me to try (duh, since he works there), but after trying the stuff, I'm convinced of it's awesomeness.

[hateraid]

You've said this several times throughout the thread, but in what way are peptides completely worthless? There have been numerous controlled tests that state otherwise, and they are in fact sold separately as well.
Sure it has its side effects, but so do a lot of protein supplements.

This is not about a free form amino peptides. Glutamine peptides are derived from gluten which is a byproduct of wheat. Wheat proteins are very incomplete. In addition to that many consumers don't realize that is comes from gluten, so celiacs and gluten free lifestyle folk cannot consume it. Further more the glutamine peptides do not convert to glutamic acid in the body which is why people take regular glutamine. It does not do the same thing as l-glutamine.
The wheat protein is an extremely incomplete form of protein. Would you go out and buy wheat protein regularly? Probably not. It is added to prevent whey protein powders from clumping. That and soy lecithin, which is a different subject entirely. The catch is because it has a protein value it can be added to the overall protein on the panel. Because wheat protein is 1/10 of the cost of whey some companies will dilute their whey proteins with it to drive costs down. so your "cheap" whey may consist of a ton wheat protein.

Bottom line, let's fool consumers to thinking they are getting glutamine when really companies are misrepresenting a byproduct to cheapen costs.

Now I would expect you would have an open mind about that than to see that that is not an agenda driven statement. People who choose to buy that is their own prerogative. i just choose to educate them on what in fact the label is.

[hateraid]

I know this isn't always the case but sometimes people that do work for companies where they specialize in the topic at hand are actually honest and not just trying to sell shit. And they might actually know more than you.

Thanks bro.
I never wanted to come off as trying to sell something. I've always tried to be as honest and respectful as I possibly can.
Truthfully I left GNC because I started to be resentful to people. That gig payed me good and I worked as a third party specialist. The bad part is I still occasional had to work on the floor and help customers.
I swear, the nutrition industry may be the one industry where people become the most subjective and will not listen to reason. What I'm experiences here is what I went through, I kid you not, on a daily basis. Where honesty is seen as an agenda and if it opposed an idea then I was being an asshole.
This is why I think I've become surly in my older age and I hate people. :lol

[Im Still Ballin]

This is not about a free form amino peptides. Glutamine peptides are derived from gluten which is a byproduct of wheat. Wheat proteins are very incomplete. In addition to that many consumers don't realize that is comes from gluten, so celiacs and gluten free lifestyle folk cannot consume it. Further more the glutamine peptides do not convert to glutamic acid in the body which is why people take regular glutamine. It does not do the same thing as l-glutamine.
The wheat protein is an extremely incomplete form of protein. Would you go out and buy wheat protein regularly? Probably not. It is added to prevent whey protein powders from clumping. That and soy lecithin, which is a different subject entirely. The catch is because it has a protein value it can be added to the overall protein on the panel. Because wheat protein is 1/10 of the cost of whey some companies will dilute their whey proteins with it to drive costs down. so your "cheap" whey may consist of a ton wheat protein.

Bottom line, let's fool consumers to thinking they are getting glutamine when really companies are misrepresenting a byproduct to cheapen costs.

Now I would expect you would have an open mind about that than to see that that is not an agenda driven statement. People who choose to buy that is their own prerogative. i just choose to educate them on what in fact the label is.
How does wheat protein compare to whey protein in regards to muscle repair and recovery?

Also, does this filler of wheat protein have any noticeable impact? How significant or insignificant is it?

[hateraid]

Bro its all about doubling down. Go hard. Or go home. I double ALL my vitamins. Cos you know I'm bout that life. I'm currently going HAM on 20,000 IU of D3 a day! Call me a madman.


My advice > hateraids

We in the weight lifting biz bro! Not the supplement one

:facepalm
Toxic dosage. You'll die young.
You're doing the world a favor

[hateraid]

How does wheat protein compare to whey protein in regards to muscle repair and recovery?

Also, does this filler of wheat protein have any noticeable impact? How significant or insignificant is it?



My advice > hateraids

We in the weight lifting biz bro! Not the supplement one

Figure it out yourself

[Im Still Ballin]

Figure it out yourself
Haha catch feelings on the net cuz. Toyed

[hateraid]

I understand ON has probably the biggest fanbase (I think MP is just getting popular now, especially with all these MMA endorsers and stuff) over the years, but damn, I took that stuff for half a year and looking back, it was horrible.

I stopped taking whey altogether around two years ago (and oddly enough, replacing my protein shakes and eating IF style made me bigger), but Dymatize was the best-tasting out of ALL of them (ON GS and the natural included). Sat well with my stomach best too. Don't know why there's hate on Hateraid for it, but yeah, he was the one who encouraged me to try (duh, since he works there), but after trying the stuff, I'm convinced of it's awesomeness.

:cheers:
I appreciate it.
PM me your addy and I will send you a Dymatize sample package courtesy of my company to show my appreciation. I hope that nothing I've ever said steered you wrong.
In fact anyone who wants to try I will send a package to.

[hateraid]

Haha catch feelings on the net cuz. Toyed

Negged

Signed soccerfan

[Im Still Ballin]

Negged

Signed soccerfan
Come on. Neg me. PLEASE. I've been waiting this whole thread. Make my day.

[hateraid]

I love pinoys so much!

:lol
Good timing

[Im Still Ballin]

Anyways. Time to sign off this thread.

What brand of protein do I take? Well. I take anabolic Xtreme ultrapeptide special serum compound mix 100% Pure anabolx WheyGAINZ.





























But seriously:
http://www.bulknutrients.com.au/assets/themes/default/img/newwpi_withtick.jpg
http://www.bulknutrients.com.au/view/wpi-protein/
Decent price gets job done no biggy.

[hateraid]

Can we all agree that Muscletech products are way overpriced :cheers:

The vast majority of my protein sources from whole food sources (egg whites, chicken, steak). Bodybuilding 101. That gets tiring, so a couple of scoops of whey protein (54 grams) mixed with water makes for a nice quick alternative. I'm sure there are better brands out there than the one I use, but I don't consider it all-important in overall my diet.

As for waking up in the middle of the night for some protein, hell no! Getting a full sleep cycle in is far more important IMO.

They charge high because they invest sooo much into advertising. The payoff is that the advertising works to draw a certain market. Iovate has that model down pat and exploits that internationally.