Hayward to Sign Offer Sheet with Hornets

[Meticode]

From my understanding, Jazz can match the offer.


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Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell 3m
Gordon Hayward will sign a major offer sheet with the Hornets.

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft 23s
The only way I can see the Jazz not matching Hayward's offer sheet would be a heavily backloaded deal that threatens to put Utah in the tax.

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[Johnny Jones]

Major = Max?

[stalkerforlife]

I'd like to see Hayward in those beautiful new Charlotte colors.

Plus, he'll have more success in the east.

[navy]

Major = Max?
No.

[poido123]

If Utah doesn't match, Charlotte might be becoming a team to be reckoned with :rockon:

[Black and White]

I still think they should sign Lance tbh, I would love him on the Hornets

[JimmyMcAdocious]

That would be an interesting fit. He's more a 3, no?

Too bad Utah going to match.

[KG215]

If this happens, the Hornets could become a pretty fun 2K team next year. Wouldn't amount to much in the real world, but in the 2K world that team really just needs a shooter and they're set if they're user controlled.

This is coming from someone who rarely plays online, so I'm talking about in MyGM/Association mode.

[hangintheair]

Please please Utah! Don't match..

[GimmeThat]

that would be a good signing for the Hornets.


they really miss a guy like Gerald Wallace though.
they could challenge the top spots in the east if they could get a guy like him.

[Bird]

Kemba
Hayward
MKG
Vonleh
Al Jeff

That's a legitimately good starting 5 in the East. With Zeller, Hairston and Henderson off the bench, they could make a little noise.

I really would like Utah to NOT match this offer. He's the outside shot Charlotte needs.

[Johnny Jones]

4 yr, 63 mil

[Meticode]

Wow... $15+ million a year.


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m
Charlotte has agreed to a 4-year, $63M maximum offer sheet with Utah RFA Gordon Hayward, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[stalkerforlife]

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA

Charlotte has agreed to a 4-year, $63M maximum offer sheet with Utah RFA Gordon Hayward, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
1:00 AM - 9 Jul 2014

Please don't match, Utah! I'd love to see this kid in the east and in the playoffs. He's a second or third option offensively, but he can be an anchor defensively.

[Droid101]

He's actually a really good and underrated defender. The Hornets will be really fun if they get him. I'm looking forward to it.

Utah, let him go. Tank again, you can't win the West right now.

[Droid101]

Also, this deal will drive Stephenson's eventual deal up the wall. So I love it all around.

[DirkNowitzki41]

Max contract? :roll: :roll:

Charlotte :applause:

[Johnny Jones]

Max contract? :roll: :roll:

Charlotte :applause:
Obviously overpaid, but he's a great fit for Charlotte.

[stalkerforlife]

Also, this deal will drive Stephenson's eventual deal up the wall. So I love it all around.

I'd rather have Hayward than Stephenson any day.

[DonDadda59]

Wow, Charlotte has actually been making some nice moves this offseason. I liked their drafting of Vonleh and Hayward gives them that shooting and spacing they've lacked offensively and a solid defensive guy.

[Droid101]

I'd rather have Hayward than Stephenson any day.
I guess. I like swag.

But I'm not going to argue, both are great guys that I'd love on my team (Lakers).

[stalkerforlife]

You have to overpay to compete. Not every NBA player is looking to collude and take less money.

Even if Utah matches, I applaud Charlotte for their efforts.

[stalkerforlife]

Wow, Charlotte has actually been making some nice moves this offseason. I liked their drafting of Vonleh and Hayward gives them that shooting and spacing they've lacked offensively and a solid defensive guy.

Agreed.

Jordan going HAM as an owner. :applause:

[Milbuck]

The Hornets with Hayward are a legit team, but I think losing McBob will hurt them more than people think. Dude was one of the most underrated players in the league last year. Hopefully Vonleh can step in and have an impact right away.

[hangintheair]

that would be a good signing for the Hornets.


they really miss a guy like Gerald Wallace though.
they could challenge the top spots in the east if they could get a guy like him.

I am hoping that MKG could become like G Wallace. Hearing that his working on his shooting form.

[Swaggin916]

Shooting percentages blow for someone getting paid that much... averaged 16 a game on a crap team if you want to pay him 15 mil a year it's your funeral. He's worth about 9.

[GimmeThat]

The Hornets with Hayward are a legit team, but I think losing McBob will hurt them more than people think. Dude was one of the most underrated players in the league last year. Hopefully Vonleh can step in and have an impact right away.

wasn't he a top rebounding big man as a freshman?

They need a big who gets back on the defensive end at full speed on every posession since they are playing Jefferson at Center.

not questioning Zeller's effort, but he can probably do that efficiently for you about 25-30 min a game playing at the 4 (since he's a C naturally)

if Vonleh can be that guy who runs back right away, he will at the least have a positive/strong defensive impact for the team as they have young perimeter players who defend.

[poido123]

The Hornets with Hayward are a legit team, but I think losing McBob will hurt them more than people think. Dude was one of the most underrated players in the league last year. Hopefully Vonleh can step in and have an impact right away.


His high post passing will be missed.

The Hornets will need to operate a lot differently to last year with McBob gone, however adding Vonleh and Hayward while only losing McBob is a great offseason.

Hornets will be one of the east contenders.

[Meticode]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 5m
Jazz prepared for possibility of max sheet for Hayward and remain unwavering about revelation it's coming: They plan to match and keep him.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Terrible move for the Hornets. He's not worth Max.

[GimmeThat]

Shooting percentages blow for someone getting paid that much... averaged 16 a game on a crap team if you want to pay him 15 mil a year it's your funeral. He's worth about 9.


probably 12 and scaled up to 14 is his real worth.

but the Bobcats don't score much/enough.
so 16 points a game on the Bobcats means something.

Kemba Walker is a better scorer than Burke.
But I always saw Burke as a better play maker, especially watching him and hardaway Jr.

unfortunately the news out right now is Exum isn't a great shooter. If he was, nothing to say Burke/Exum can't be better than what Burke/Hardaway Jr were in college. Especially if Burke becomes a better shooter himself since Exum is going to have the ability to post over Hardaway.

[Meticode]

Terrible move for the Hornets. He's not worth Max.
Terrible move by the Jazz.

Jazz offered him 4 years at $48 million, Hayward wanted 4 years at $52 million. Now if they match they're paying 4 years at $63.

Woj is reporting Jazz plan to match.

[J-Futuristic]

This is getting ridiculous:wtf:

[GimmeThat]

His high post passing will be missed.

The Hornets will need to operate a lot differently to last year with McBob gone, however adding Vonleh and Hayward while only losing McBob is a great offseason.

Hornets will be one of the east contenders.

McBob is like Jordan Hill.

only McBob probably has better lateral movement both on the ground and in air (crashing the board) where as Jordan Hill has more vertical movement (boxing out)

think this is an odd comparison?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Terrible move by the Jazz.

Jazz offered him 4 years at $48 million, Hayward wanted 4 years at $52 million. Now if they match they're paying 4 years at $63.

Woj is reporting Jazz plan to match.

Agreed. If I were them i'd just let him go..

[L.A.Hawks]

hayward > parsons.

if you disagree then its obvious you didnt watch enough jazz games.

[boozehound]

He's actually a really good and underrated defender. The Hornets will be really fun if they get him. I'm looking forward to it.

Utah, let him go. Tank again, you can't win the West right now.
good luck with that. Utah will match and probably take the next three days doing it. Meanwhile, FA actually opens on Thursday and 15 mil of their cap space will be tied up during that main day of signings.

[poido123]

LOL at Jazz refusing to pay Hayward 13 mill a year.

That's close to what he's worth.

[GimmeThat]

hayward > parsons.

if you disagree then its obvious you didnt watch enough jazz games.


nah, if people disagree, they just underrate Mike Miller. that's all.

[RoTM]

I don't like it, why tie up money right when the decision pt2 is coming down if the Jazz are just matching. Stephenson can actually just sign the paper and be on the team.


McBob is like Jordan Hill.

only McBob probably has better lateral movement both on the ground and in air (crashing the board) where as Jordan Hill has more vertical movement (boxing out)

think this is an odd comparison?

McBob is now in overrated for being underrated territory. Charlotte was a tailor made situation for him and he still put up pedestrian numbers playing heavy minutes.

[Legends66NBA7]

He's not worth that much. Charlotte's management believing that he will turn into something potent down the road and/or feel this will be the move to turn them into a better team in their conference.

This is why GM's get sacked and blamed for a lot of the failures for their franchise.

[To4]

Can Hayward play the 2? Cuz His position is the 3 same with MKG..

[veilside23]

hmmm good signing people will see how good hayward is if only kemba can be a better passer their team would be a force to reckon with... Al jefferson is still a commodity down low.

also hayward can play the 2 if MKG pans out if not he can switch to the 3 ... and hayward can also be the one to call the shots if needed...

I hope that the jazz wont match it ...

[GimmeThat]

He's not worth that much. Charlotte's management believing that he will turn into something potent down the road and/or feel this will be the move to turn them into a better team in their conference.

This is why GM's get sacked and blamed for a lot of the failures for their franchise.

true, the Michael Jordan team thinking they can spot a Tony Kukoc in the crowd when they see one.

blasphemy

[bdreason]

I like that the Hornets are getting good players... I don't like Hayward for that much money though.




There is no way that Utah can match this offer if they ever plan on competing out West while staying under the tax.

[GimmeThat]

McBob is now in overrated for being underrated territory. Charlotte was a tailor made situation for him and he still put up pedestrian numbers playing heavy minutes.

a Jefferson/Zeller front court is not a bad front court as the 3rd 4th big man.

he didn't get that when he was with the Lakers.

[bdreason]

Can Hayward play the 2? Cuz His position is the 3 same with MKG..


MKG is a career NBA bench player.

[Xiao Yao You]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 5m
Jazz prepared for possibility of max sheet for Hayward and remain unwavering about revelation it's coming: They plan to match and keep him.

Unbelievable! He's worth maybe half of that. You let Millsap and Demarre go on the cheap to tank and than give G that kind of money. What a sorry ass franchise! I thought maybe things would be different with the new GM but same old stupid shit.

[GimmeThat]

I like that the Hornets are getting good players... I don't like Hayward for that much money though.




There is no way that Utah can match this offer if they ever plan on competing out West while staying under the tax.

a lot of Jazz players might be gone if they don't match though.

the Hayward effect.

[veilside23]

MKG is a career NBA bench player.


if only they got the #2 pick this year...

it would be a party..:djparty

i am still not going to call it for MKG dude is just about to turn 21...

[GimmeThat]

MKG is a career NBA bench player.


I'd probably start him with Exum, Westbrook

he can be a Thablo/Tony Allen type.

[Johnny Jones]

MKG is a career NBA bench player.
I don't know about that. MKG is a great defender/slasher to the rim. He doesn't have a jumpshot but he is improving it. Mark Price is working with him and he said last offseason that it would take a few offseasons to reconstructure and make it serviceable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWKDc36Kn-w - You really think with that defense and a decent jumpshot he would be on the bench?

And I have no doubt MKG is going to get at least a decent jumpshot. His work ethic stories at UK are legendary.

[GimmeThat]

Unbelievable! He's worth maybe half of that. You let Millsap and Demarre go on the cheap to tank and than give G that kind of money. What a sorry ass franchise! I thought maybe things would be different with the new GM but same old stupid shit.

they are past the transition phase out of the Jerry Sloan era.

which means they might look for a 135 instead of 14

If Exum is what he is hyped up to be, that could be a contending formula.

[el gringos]

If this happens, the Hornets could become a pretty fun 2K team next year. Wouldn't amount to much in the real world, but in the 2K world that team really just needs a shooter and they're set if they're user controlled.

This is coming from someone who rarely plays online, so I'm talking about in MyGM/Association mode.
White so he's a shooter? What if he is a ball handling playmaker that doesn't really shoot but moves and handles really well for a 6-8 guy

[bdreason]

I don't know about that. MKG is a great defender/slasher to the rim. He doesn't have a jumpshot but he is improving it. Mark Price is working with him and he said last offseason that it would take a few offseasons to reconstructure and make it serviceable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWKDc36Kn-w - You really think with that defense and a decent jumpshot he would be on the bench?

And I have no doubt MKG is going to get at least a decent jumpshot. His work ethic stories at UK are legendary.


I was probably a bit harsh. If he can be an elite defender, he can probably find a place to start somewhere. MKG's offense is really, really, really bad though. He needs to at least be able to knock down a corner 3 (see Bruce Bowen).

[GimmeThat]

I was probably a bit harsh. If he can be an elite defender, he can probably find a place to start somewhere. MKG's offense is really, really, really bad though. He needs to at least be able to knock down a corner 3 (see Bruce Bowen).

probably because they don't want to see him scoring based off of his athleticism. not that those shots would nessecarily result in high percentage shots.

[wally_world]

WOW Hayward and Anthony Davis on the same team?!

i know, it's the pelicans

[GimmeThat]

WOW Hayward and Anthony Davis on the same team?!

i know, it's the pelicans


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsy4_IXakNU

[TheMilkyBarKid]

This should be a great fit
Hornets are gonna be fun next year!!

[PleezeBelieve]

Paying Hayward 15 mill to play the 2 next to a shoot first PG?

:roll:

Awful move. Glad they saved the Cavs from making this idiotic decision.

Woj saying Utah will match is a smokescreen, IMO. No way they match that albatross contract.

[Xiao Yao You]

Sounds like they really do plan to match as hard as it is to believe!

[longtime lurker]

NBA needs to let go of restricted free agency. Just to have a chance Charlotte need to offer an absurd contract. Then if the Jazz match they'll cry in the next CBA that Hayward is overpaid . endless cycle of stupidity

[Smook A.]

4 yr, 63 mil
So overpaid :oldlol:

[bagelred]

Like I said, Gordon Hayward is the Lebron James of small market teams.

[1~Gibson~1]

NBA needs to let go of restricted free agency. Just to have a chance Charlotte need to offer an absurd contract. Then if the Jazz match they'll cry in the next CBA that Hayward is overpaid . endless cycle of stupidity
Franchise tag?

[beastee]

Jazz want to keep their white marketable player...now they have to overpay to keep him. Lesson- Do not underestimate mid level guys to small market teams.

[GimmeThat]

NBA needs to let go of restricted free agency. Just to have a chance Charlotte need to offer an absurd contract. Then if the Jazz match they'll cry in the next CBA that Hayward is overpaid . endless cycle of stupidity


It is.

but they are also in the business to compete for fans as well as building a fan base.

look into the structure of ticket price structure and whatnot.
to penalize teams who overpay players without generating revenues in return.

[GimmeThat]

Jazz want to keep their white marketable player...now they have to overpay to keep him. Lesson- Do not underestimate mid level guys to small market teams.

actually, wouldn't the lesson be to differentiate what type of mid level guys actually help you instead of ending up trading a buck for .50

[longtime lurker]

Franchise tag?

No need. Just get rid of restricted free agency. The Jazz had the opportunity to extend Hayward. They didn't want to pay him 13 million so they let the market decide. The market says he's worth the max now they'll start crying about his contract if they match him. They had the chance to lock him up and missed. Who's to blame in that case. Home team will always have an advantage because they can pay more.

[wally_world]

I wouldnt match if i were Utah. Arent going anywhere with him either.

[bagelred]

I wouldnt match if i were Utah. Arent going anywhere with him either.

Well what does Utah care if they overpay him? What are they saving cap space for? None of the big names are going there...does it matter if they overpay? They want their fans to have someone to watch....

He's clearly overpaid, and by a good amount, but that's what small market teams have to do sometimes....

[Xiao Yao You]

No need. Just get rid of restricted free agency. The Jazz had the opportunity to extend Hayward. They didn't want to pay him 13 million so they let the market decide. The market says he's worth the max now they'll start crying about his contract if they match him. They had the chance to lock him up and missed. Who's to blame in that case. Home team will always have an advantage because they can pay more.

He wasn't worth 13 million either. They made the right choice. Letting him go now would be the right choice.


Well what does Utah care if they overpay him? What are they saving cap space for? None of the big names are going there...does it matter if they overpay?

They will have to pay Burks and Kanter next year. This is a 3 or 4 year commitment. You don't overpay just because. That's when you get into trouble. As a Knicks fan you should know better than anyone not to throw money around like it doesn't mean anything.


They want their fans to have someone to watch....

He's clearly overpaid, and by a good amount, but that's what small market teams have to do sometimes....

I'm a big fan but I won't be happy if they match. I'll just have to watch other guys.

[GimmeThat]

No need. Just get rid of restricted free agency. The Jazz had the opportunity to extend Hayward. They didn't want to pay him 13 million so they let the market decide. The market says he's worth the max now they'll start crying about his contract if they match him. They had the chance to lock him up and missed. Who's to blame in that case. Home team will always have an advantage because they can pay more.

I didn't want to get the sunroof, but I got convinced into getting it.


cry me a river.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Well what does Utah care if they overpay him? What are they saving cap space for? None of the big names are going there...does it matter if they overpay? They want their fans to have someone to watch....

He's clearly overpaid, and by a good amount, but that's what small market teams have to do sometimes....

So let him go, tank again, and try to get another piece to pair with Exum and Favors.

If Exum really does turn out to be a star, then they could have a really good core.

Save the Hayward money, (and the extra wins he gives you) for a year or two down the road.

[rufuspaul]

I hope Utah doesn't match but I fear that they will. The Hornets are 0/2 with offer sheets to restricted FAs.

[SOD 21]

Boy, what a joke of a contract for a slightly above average player. This is nothing against Hayward, but he is not worth more than about 8 to 10 million per season.

For example, let's compare his numbers to Oklahoma City's sixth man Reggie Jackson per 36 minutes:

A) Hayward - 16 ppg, 5 rpg, 5.1 apg, 41.3% fg, 30.4% 3PT, 52.0% TS, 16.2 PER and .089 winshares per 48 minutes

B) Jackson - 16.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 5.2 apg, 44% fg, 33.9% 3PT, 52.7% TS, 15.6 PER and .104 winshares per 48 minutes.

I choose Reggie Jackson as a comparison because each player had fairly identical production and each of them are 23 years old. And nothing against Reggie Jackson either, but there is no way that he is worth any more than eight or 10 million per season when he becomes a restricted free agent next year, at most.

A terrible, terrible contract.

[veilside23]

Well we will find out tomorrow if hayward signs it :)

[kshutts1]

This is the opposite of the Frye deal.

Great fit, terrible amount of money. Others have said it, but Hayward is worth about 9-10m.

Whatever. The more GMs that screw up, the higher my chances are of becoming one. Should go from a .0001% chance to a .00015% chance, at least. Keep on doing what you do!

[Droid101]

Jazz matched.

[absalom]

Marvin Williams here we come. :facepalm

[poido123]

When u consider Marvin signed for 7 mill per, was paying Hayward 12 mill odd a year that Bad?

Hayward offers so much more than Marvin.

[absalom]

Hornets has a fetish for Utah Jazz players. :banana: