People are Underestimating Woodson/Felton/Chandler

[el gringos]

People are underestimating Woodson/Felton/chandler's amount of Dumbassness and it's negative effect on the Knicks.

When you roll out an actual direction (Phil/Fisher/Triangle) along with Carmelo/JR/Bargnani/Calderon, not a lot of teams have that- especially in the East. That's a group of players you can build around. And they already have 2 or 3 of those pieces. Phil will find the right 2 or 3 more.

You all that think Phil is there to sit on his ass and follow the masses with this idiotic mindset that "In 2015 or 2016 something's just going to come knock on our door" have some surprises coming. Phil might just be there to start winning now. And Phil knows you've got to go Get It. You know who can afford to have the mindset that think things will be handed to you? Rich peoples kids. If you have to Go Get It for yourself you know things don't fall out of the sky. You think Phil came from Williston North Dakota to now with which mindset?

Kidd/Rasheed/Camby led team= 2 seed

Woodson/Felton/Chandler led team= 9 seed (the Knicks deserved having teams lay over against Atlanta down the stretch, the dysfunction was so ugly. ) the Knicks were prob a top 5 ec team the last 1/4 to 10/15 games of the season.

Again and most importantly the Dumbassness with those three leading the ship last year is severely underrated. So is Carmelo/jr/bargnani's talent. so is Phil's mind.

Huge move coming in a month and a half.

[Heavincent]

I don't know why you're mentioning Bargnani and JR like they're good players. Bargnani is a monumental bust and JR is borderline retarded.

Calderon is better than Felton, but Dalembert isn't good. He'd make for a good backup center, but there's no way I would want him starting. The roster has been upgraded very mildly. That's it. Nothing will change THAT much. They'll win more games, but they won't do anything significant, so I don't know what you mean by "win now".

I think the Knicks win somewhere between 40 and 45 games if Melo resigns. Making the playoffs isn't really an accomplishment in the East though. Even getting past the 1st round isn't anything to brag about.

[Beastmode88]

FATBOY FELTON? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Godzuki]

i liked Chandler, hated Felton, and thought Woodson was ok.

you just got to ignore the instant gratification mentality of fans today who are all about stacknig superstars every year to win a ring acting like the window closes after that year if they don't do anything.

teams come out of nowhere to be in the races for FA's once they free up space. its ridiculous to pretend NY could never turns things around of all places....their past history is awful because it was Dolan. they've had one of the greatest markets but probably a history of the shitiest star players since the 80's all because of Dolan.

when NY turns things around, MSG is going to be sick.

[Fudge]

A Carmelo/JR/Bargnani/Calderon core ain't getting you nowhere, bud. :oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

Yup and this will guarantee the Knicks over the Bulls. They'll also vault as the top seed in their division. Top seed in the conference.

Their back people. Knicks are back.

[el gringos]

A Carmelo/JR/Bargnani/Calderon core ain't getting you nowhere, bud. :oldlol:
Your team may never have 4 guys that can score like that. That's elite offensive talent. I didn't say they would be the 4 best overall.

Throw Larry sanders or josh smith with that group. A couple other real nba basketball players w them? Watch out.

Top 3 seed in ec next season with 1 good trade

[DaSeba5]

Yup and this will guarantee the Knicks over the Bulls. They'll also vault as the top seed in their division. Top seed in the conference.

Their back people. Knicks are back.

:lol

[Heavincent]

Your team may never have 4 guys that can score like that. That's elite offensive talent. I didn't say they would be the 4 best overall.

Throw Larry sanders or josh smith with that group. A couple other real nba basketball players w them? Watch out.

Top 3 seed in ec next season with 1 good trade

Holy shit, you want to add Josh ****ing Smith to the mix? :roll: Do you want to have the dumbest team in league history?

Josh Smith and Bargs on the court together would be the funniest shit on TV :roll:

[Legends66NBA7]

Holy shit, you want to add Josh ****ing Smith to the mix? :roll: Do you want to have the dumbest team in league history? :oldlol:

Josh Smith and Bargs on the court together would be the funniest shit on TV :roll: Add JR to the mix and...my god.

He wants OJ Mayo backing up JR Smith too.

[bluechox2]

gringos, i already banned you from speaking anything knicks...

[el gringos]

A Carmelo/JR/Bargnani/Calderon core ain't getting you nowhere, bud. :oldlol:
Those are the scorers fool, Phil just has to add the rest.


Calderon/shumpert
Jr smith/OJ
Carmelo/cleanthony
Sanders/illyasova
Bargnani/Zaza

[hawksdogsbraves]

Good god

And people wonder why the Knicks catch so much shit on here.

Between OP and Real14 idk how one team's fans could be any dumber :roll:

[el gringos]

He wants OJ Mayo backing up JR Smith too.
As opposed to hardaway jr? What's the big difference? Plus he's guy 3 or 4 in a 4 player trade. Why would Milwaukee send off sanders without mayo and Zaza.

[el gringos]

gringos, i already banned you from speaking anything knicks...
Did you get offended about the part where it's idiotic to think things are going to fall in your lap?

Are you a "just wait till 15/16?

[Trentknicks]

Good god

And people wonder why the Knicks catch so much shit on here.

Between OP and Real14 idk how one team's fans could be any dumber :roll:
2 fans saying all this, no one else.

[Phenith]

It is very true that a lot of the Knicks shortcomings over the past has been a lack of direction in both front office and coaching.

They have some talent, but no real dynamic players, if the direction Phil is taking can get who they have to work at their best with each other, the team could be quite good. But it's going to take a near miracle for it to all come together.

[Real14]

Good god

And people wonder why the Knicks catch so much shit on here.

Between OP and Real14 idk how one team's fans could be any dumber :roll:
You getting me and OP confused with yourself. Haterz like you hate the knicks anyway so cut it out wit that bullshit acting like you feel for any knick fan. You are ne of the dumbest on here acting like your franchise is so great and acting like superstar free agents would would go play for your team where the home games always stuggle to sell out.

[Real14]

2 fans saying all this, no one else.
I make valid points though. Give me credit fellow knick fan. That delusional hawks fan just hates the knicks period and you know this.

[Milbuck]

Those are the scorers fool, Phil just has to add the rest.


Calderon/shumpert
Jr smith/OJ
Carmelo/cleanthony
Sanders/illyasova
Bargnani/Zaza
That's not enough Bucks players though. Take Delfino, Udoh, Middleton, all of them except Jabari, Giannis, Knight, and Henson.

New York Bucks with Melo. I like it.

[el gringos]

That's not enough Bucks players though. Take Delfino, Udoh, Middleton, all of them except Jabari, Giannis, Knight, and Henson.

New York Bucks with Melo. I like it.
You pretty much nailed it. That's what the bucks need to do is start over around that group.

Knight
Giannes
Jabari
Henson


Hardaway jr/Larkin/thanasis all fit well. + another top 5 pick.

Amare would be great for them. Take the pressure off Jabari and Giannes and let them see another big name do it before they have to. He might even Ball

[el gringos]

It is very true that a lot of the Knicks shortcomings over the past has been a lack of direction in both front office and coaching.

They have some talent, but no real dynamic players, if the direction Phil is taking can get who they have to work at their best with each other, the team could be quite good. But it's going to take a near miracle for it to all come together.
The miracle is already happening.

-Larry sanders shit the bed last year and is in rehab- plummeting his value. But could Phil design up a way to deal w a rehab crazy pf? Maybe if he is elite at the dirty work the team needs and can run. He might not be rodman but his value could return in a second in the right situation.

-bucks were reported to be high on hard away jr and even more on Larkin last draft before their real target fell to them in Giannes. They need 2 guys that can run and shoot and are in year 2 or less. It's the same gm. Thanasis? Is their a better 3rd prospect to add than your foreigner teenage star than his older brother. Seems like plenty good enough of a prospect that it's not bs to give him a shot.

-illyasova, mayo, and Zaza lowered their "value" from a year ago. But are you fools kidding me that that couldn't be a really solid 7-9 guys in a rotation?

[Legends66NBA7]

As opposed to hardaway jr? What's the big difference? Plus he's guy 3 or 4 in a 4 player trade. Why would Milwaukee send off sanders without mayo and Zaza.

I'm all for this trade happening, not against it.

It would be comical to see them just chuck shots and play no defense at that position.

[el gringos]

I'm all for this trade happening, not against it.

It would be comical to see them just chuck shots and play no defense at that position.
What are you talking about? At sg for the Knicks. Are you thinking that a drop off from Hardaway to mayo? Hard away runs hard and shoots. But he doesn't defend at all yet. He runs and shoots. Knicks want to win now. OJ can be a 4th guard and come in and shoot, just like hard away can. Remember that the 3rs guard is shumpert.

[Hotlantadude81]

That team wouldn't win 35 games in the western conference. :oldlol:

[oarabbus]

Those are the scorers fool, Phil just has to add the rest.


Calderon/shumpert :lol
Jr smith/OJ :oldlol:
Carmelo/cleanthony
Sanders/illyasova
Bargnani/Zaza :roll:

You know you dont have draft picks right?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yup and this will guarantee the Knicks over the Bulls. They'll also vault as the top seed in their division. Top seed in the conference.

Their back people. Knicks are back.

We scared now :cry:

[Legends66NBA7]

What are you talking about? At sg for the Knicks. Are you thinking that a drop off from Hardaway to mayo? Hard away runs hard and shoots. But he doesn't defend at all yet. He runs and shoots. Knicks want to win now. OJ can be a 4th guard and come in and shoot, just like hard away can. Remember that the 3rs guard is shumpert.

It's an upgrade, but really... they are both redundant at what they do. All their going to do is jack 3's and play no defense. Shumpert being the backup ? I don't get what people see in this guy, but for your sake sure, let him be the defender everyone envisions him to be.

And I didn't really bank much on THJ.

[WTFdidNBAbigsGO]

Those are the scorers fool, Phil just has to add the rest.


Calderon/shumpert
Jr smith/OJ
Carmelo/cleanthony
Sanders/illyasova
Bargnani/Zaza

.............looooooooooollll.......WTF

how do knicks adopt half of the bucks roster? Sanders, illyasova, zaza and oj? Thats about 28mill cap space, that shiii dont work.

try harder though bro, i think your on the brink of a major breakthrough for knicks chip hopes!

[WTFdidNBAbigsGO]

It's an upgrade, but really... they are both redundant at what they do. All their going to do is jack 3's and play no defense. Shumpert being the backup ? I don't get what people see in this guy, but for your sake sure, let him be the defender everyone envisions him to be.

And I didn't really bank much on THJ.
I dont see much in Hardaway or Shump.

Shumpert avgs a mere 6ppg. I know ppg dont mean much, but when hes shooting 37.8% it says something, especially when he is not relied upon to create his own shot on a regular basis. His defense also seemed to slip, had quite a few blow by's. The guy lacks confidence majorly and on offense is a mess.

Hardaway is a nice athletic young guy, but does not have a dribble to create shot or get past his defender. All he had done this past year was shoot 3s. Doesnt put effort on the other end, and is still very skinny. He can be a Danny Green minus the stellar defense, thats all I really see.

[GimmeThat]

Woodson didn't know how to get the offense rolling again once it got stopped. i.e. having a few diversify plays in his book to keep his opponents from guessing, so they can run their main offense still once they get enough pressure onto the scoreboard.

He gained the teams respect a lot during the playoffs when Kidd ran the offense and all he had to do was keeping the defense sounded, as well as getting maximum effort from his players.

I don't think Kidd taught Felton how to run that offense (for whatever reason, no one knows, and who cares) and Woodson probably wasn't able to run that offense, and didn't had another offense to implement onto the team in his mind.


Remember, when the assistant coach Phil Jackson took over Doug Collin's job. He actually implemented a different offense than what Collins had in place if I am not mistaken. can't comment much on the defensive end, but Jackson probably got away with some through personnel developement.


Woodson couldn't develope players enough to get away with their offensive scheme. which lead to his eventual firing.

[el gringos]

.............looooooooooollll.......WTF

how do knicks adopt half of the bucks roster? Sanders, illyasova, zaza and oj? Thats about 28mill cap space, that shiii dont work.

try harder though bro, i think your on the brink of a major breakthrough for knicks chip hopes!
It's more than 28. But so is Amare, Larkin, Hardaway jr, Ellington and dalembert, thanasis.


Your second sentence is right though