Kobe doesn't seem to have a problem with "colluding"

[ArbitraryWater]

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He welcomes joining up with other Superstars/Nr.1 Guys... Ah.

Thanks for playing, I guess.

[IncarceratedBob]

Pat Riley cheated by colluding with players on other teams, Bosh and James, who were legally under contract by other NBA teams. Melo is a free agent, Kobe can say whatever he wants.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

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He welcomes joining up with other Superstars/Nr.1 Guys... Ah.

Thanks for playing, I guess.
Difference is that a superstar could be joining him and his team. Not Kobe wanting to go to another team that already has a megastar. That's what the people have a problem with.

[lakerspng]

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He welcomes joining up with other Superstars/Nr.1 Guys... Ah.

Thanks for playing, I guess.
Who wouldn't love for their friend who also happens to be a great player in their prime join them to help give them another shot at glory before they retire?

[nathanjizzle]

ISH still doesnt understand the concept of collusion. In miami, their were 3 free agents. in this scenario you are talking about is 1 free agent. it takes 2 or more parties to collude.

[ArbitraryWater]

Difference is that a superstar could be joining him and his team. Not Kobe wanting to go to another team that already has a megastar. That's what the people have a problem with.

I don't get it... So Kobe would love to play with Melo, and LeBron loved to play with Wade... The difference is LeBron moved to Miami to Wade, while Kobe would love to have Melo come over to LA, to him.... That's the glaring difference? Different Uniforms & Location?


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[Goldrush25]

Difference is no one actually wants to play with Kobe.:oldlol:

Kobe is the kid with all the toys at his house but no friends.

[ArbitraryWater]

Who wouldn't love for their friend who also happens to be a great player in their prime join them to help give them another shot at glory before they retire?

Melo isn't Kobe's friend... Wade is LeBron's friend, yea.

And no, I don't have a problem with it.... Neither do I have a problem with LeBron/Wade teaming up, especially with their "unfair 'stacked-ness'" never having happened as Wade strongly declined starting their 2nd year together, becoming your average 2nd option... Hell, in 2013 he had to be one of the weakest title 2nd options ever... And same would have been the case in '14.

[Ne 1]

Difference is that a superstar could be joining him and his team. Not Kobe wanting to go to another team that already has a megastar. That's what the people have a problem with.
This. Also Kobe is 35 years old and going into his 18th year in the league. The equivalent would have been Kobe at his peak/prime going to Duncan's Spurs, KG's T-Wolves, Nash's Suns, Dirks Mavs, Wade's Heat, T-Mac's Magic, LeBron's Cavs, Paul's Hornets etc. for example (players who he'd otherwise be competing with and measured against) along with another perennial All-Star/franchisee player

[lakerspng]

Melo and Kobe actually are pretty close friends.

There is a difference between 3 max players talking and deciding that they're going to all sign on one team for less than their value to form a super team and a free agent signing onto a team for the max that already has a top level talent on it. Not sure how you couldn't see that

[kennethgriffin]

colluding doesnt mean another good max contract player signs onto a team with a guy whos already making max dollars


colluding is when max contract players scheme during the season and talk about getting together before the you can legally converse with players from other teams and negotiate via collective bargaining rules where as pay cuts and destinations are discussed prior to the time anyone else is even allowed to have contact with them. to compare it with something i would have to use insider trading. which is punishable by jail time

kobe is practically having nothing to do with the recruiting of carmelo. he didnt even show up for the meeting. nore is he structuring his deal to surround himself with other great players

sorry OP. you need to learn what the definition of colluding is

[ArbitraryWater]

This. Also Kobe is 35 years old and going into his 18th year in the league. The equivalent would have been Kobe at his peak/prime going to Duncan's Spurs, KG's T-Wolves, Nash's Suns, Dirks Mavs, Wade's Heat, T-Mac's Magic, LeBron's Cavs etc. for example (players who he'd otherwise be competing with and measured against) along with another perennial All-Star/franchisee player

Oh... Kobe was gift-wrapped 3 rings coming into the NBA.

Kobe had 3 rings, was playing for a historic franchise, and in a great city...

Then has to stick for a bad team 3 seasons.... DEMANDS A TRADE.

LeBron with 0 titles, playing for a shit franchise, in a shit city...

Then has to stick for a bad team 7 seasons... Waits until he can opt out and moves teams.


LeBron seems to be the loyal one.

I wouldn't call Kobe loyal by any definition, but not that it necessarily matters to me... This game isn't about loyalty. Like LeBron, Kobe had a legacy to fill, and then you do what's best for winning. Once again, it's a double standart... It's only wrong when LeBron does it.

No problem with either trying to get to better rosters. But LeBron would certainly be the more loyal one, the one who stuck it out longer...

As for Kobe, this happened:

http://cdn.niketalk.com/3/37/3779b870_e9h8.png

The team added an all-star through some mindbaffling miracle, and he decided to stay with the team. Logical.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How is that colluding if:

A) Melo is a free agent?

and

B) Kobe made it public?

[AnaheimLakers24]

you cant unburn jerseys

[CelticBaller]

Pat Riley cheated by colluding with players on other teams, Bosh and James, who were legally under contract by other NBA teams. Melo is a free agent, Kobe can say whatever he wants.
Op doesn't know what colluding means lmao

[TMacYaoRockets]

Oh... Kobe was gift-wrapped 3 rings coming into the NBA.

Kobe had 3 rings, was playing for a historic franchise, and in a great city...

Then has to stick for a bad team 3 seasons.... DEMANDS A TRADE.

LeBron with 0 titles, playing for a shit franchise, in a shit city...

Then has to stick for a bad team 7 seasons... Waits until he can opt out and moves teams.


LeBron seems to be the loyal one.

I wouldn't call Kobe loyal by any definition, but not that it necessarily matters to me... This game isn't about loyalty. Like LeBron, Kobe had a legacy to fill, and then you do what's best for winning. Once again, it's a double standart... It's only wrong when LeBron does it.

No problem with either trying to get to better rosters. But LeBron would certainly be the more loyal one, the one who stuck it out longer...

As for Kobe, this happened:

http://cdn.niketalk.com/3/37/3779b870_e9h8.png

The team added an all-star through some mindbaffling miracle, and he decided to stay with the team. Logical.
I wouldn't call LeBron loyal either. All that stuff he said and promises he made like "I will never leave Cleveland until I win a Championship." Then he leaves for Miami. That's not loyal to me.

[ArbitraryWater]

How is that colluding if:

A) Melo is a free agent?

and

B) Kobe made it public?

Both points are completely irrelevant :lol

Really now, come on.

[Taller than CP3]

except Kobe would never leave LA to join Melo in New York

Lebron is still a bitch

[kennethgriffin]

Oh... Kobe was gift-wrapped 3 rings coming into the NBA.

Kobe had 3 rings, was playing for a historic franchise, and in a great city...

Then has to stick for a bad team 3 seasons.... DEMANDS A TRADE.

LeBron with 0 titles, playing for a shit franchise, in a shit city...

Then has to stick for a bad team 7 seasons... Waits until he can opt out and moves teams.


LeBron seems to be the loyal one.

I wouldn't call Kobe loyal by any definition, but not that it necessarily matters to me... This game isn't about loyalty. Like LeBron, Kobe had a legacy to fill, and then you do what's best for winning. Once again, it's a double standart... It's only wrong when LeBron does it.

No problem with either trying to get to better rosters. But LeBron would certainly be the more loyal one, the one who stuck it out longer...

As for Kobe, this happened:

http://cdn.niketalk.com/3/37/3779b870_e9h8.png

The team added an all-star through some mindbaffling miracle, and he decided to stay with the team. Logical.


its amazing how all kobe needed was pau gasol to win back2back titles and go to 3 straight finals.. his 3rd best team mate was jordan farmar or sasha vujacic LOL


still amazes me.. but i guess when you realize he took smush and kwame to the playoffs as his 2nd and 3rd best team mates. then it suddenly all makes sense.. kobe gets the best out of his team mates

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Both points are completely irrelevant :lol

Really now, come on.

Look up the definition of "collude" via websters dictionary.

Once you do, come back and tell me said points are "invalid" :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Op doesn't know what colluding means lmao

Pretty much. You can hammer Kobe for many things, but this isn't one of them.

[ArbitraryWater]

its amazing how all kobe needed was pau gasol to win back2back titles and go to 3 straight finals.. his 3rd best team mate was jordan farmar or sasha vujacic LOL


still amazes me.. but i guess when you realize he took smush and kwame to the playoffs as his 2nd and 3rd best team mates. then it suddenly all makes sense.. kobe gets the best out of his team mates


His 3rd best team mate was Lamar Odom you retard.

The own coach, Phil Jackson himself, said the Lakers bigs / front court is the reason they have an edge opposed to the rest of the league...

2008-2010 wasn't a particularly stacked time either....

Relative to the League, the Lakers and Kobe's cast was by far the most loaded.

Who did you have?

In '08 the one-hit-wonders Hornets?
In '09 the one-hit-wonders Nuggets?

Both solid teams, but not enough to be contending with the Lakers... Only REAL opponent was Celtics, who they lost to in 2008, avoided in 2009 due to their best player being injured & out in the playoffs, and barely, with a lot of ref help, scratched by to win in 2010...

Superstars win in this league. 5 on 5 game.

1 Individual can have a huge impact in a 5 vs 5 team sport / game.

But the other superstars / top guys, happened to waste their seasons on bad teams that they didn't have a chance to compete with come playoff time.
LeBron's Cavaliers, Wade's Heat, Dirk's Mavericks... and next in line would be Howard's Magic, who were decent, but once again, he was the 5th guy and not even supposed to have made the finals, as he kind of lucked out because the Celtics lost their best player.

[kennethgriffin]

Look up the definition of "collude" via websters dictionary.

Once you do, come back and tell me said points are "invalid" :cheers:


it seems some people on ISH think collude means "great players joining other great players"

but it actually means

col

[ArbitraryWater]

Pretty much. You can hammer Kobe for many things, but this isn't one of them.

Again, Individuals can't collude in a team sport... Come back in this thread when you know the definition of the word.

That's why I said "colluding"... to kind of describe what the haters got mad at him for. And it makes no sense, as Kobe pretty much welcomes it.


And now collusion seems to be totally irrevelant in basketball talk...

It really doesn't matter if its done privately or publicly, the same players will end up together on the court.... Seems like a term not fit for basketball.

[riseagainst]

OP you are really making us lebron fans look bad. Please just stop posting. Your logic is very flawed.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Again, Individuals can't collude in a team sport... Come back in this thread when you know the definition of the word.

I get that english is your second language, but Christ dude :facepalm

Bottom line? Kobe isn't conspiring with Melo (free agent), who made it public.

[Ne 1]

Oh... Kobe was gift-wrapped 3 rings coming into the NBA.....

21/5/4, 29/7/6, 27/6/5 in the post-season in route to 3 rings. "gift wrapped." :kobe:


Not to mention usually, when a guy is "gift wrapped" rings, he wouldn't be the player taking the last shots, closing out games, being a go to guy when the game is on the line among many other things. For the Lakers, that was often Kobe Bryant. That isn't often examined... Yeah, Kobe was generally "plan B" throughout the game as far as scoring goes. However in the 4th quarter, he often became "plan A" and sometimes, "plan AA" if Phil sat Shaq because of hack-a-Shaq. In the history of the game, how often were guys who were riding the coattails of other players asked to take over so consistently?

But anyway if you want to say Kobe piggy backed Shaq for 3 rings, let's call a spade a spade and bring up that LeBron visibly pouted and quit on his team in an odd turn of events after game 3 vs Boston in 2010. (Maybe the Delonte rumor was true, maybe he was already looking towards the summer free agency? Who knows. He really looked distracted though.) He then BEGGED for help to get a ring and moved to another top 3 superstar's franchise and city who had also already acquired another top 15-20 perennial All-Star/Top 5 PF in the league because the route to a ring and multiple rings was tremendously easier than it would have been anywhere else. Hence why he said they would win up to 8 rings and "once the game starts, it's gon' be easy" and why Wade said "I feel sorry for whoever has to guard us."


As far as Kobedemanding a trade, I doubt he was ever going to leave the Lakers. He was just pressuring the front office to bring in talent. He did what he did and the team got Gasol after Bynum went down for the season due to injury.

Dude's "temper tantrum" turned the organization around in a matter of months. Perhaps if guys would quit sitting on their hands wanting the public and the media to like them they'd get shit done.

Anyway Kobe has played every game of his career with one team and even Magic Johnson asked for a trade once. Why should Kobe should be punished because the Lakers refused to honor his wishes and instead tried to build a better team? Kobe never said "swing a Gasol deal" he said "trade me to bummy Chicago to play with Ben Gordon." Also to compare those Cavs teams LeBron was on to the '06/'07 Lakers is an absolute joke.

Kobe had people coming to him instead of him jumping on another legend that already had a ring ala Clyde and LeBron.

[CelticBaller]

Again, Individuals can't collude in a team sport... Come back in this thread when you know the definition of the word.

That's why I said "colluding"... to kind of describe what the haters got mad at him for. And it makes no sense, as Kobe pretty much welcomes it.


And now collusion seems to be totally irrevelant in basketball talk...

It really doesn't matter if its done privately or publicly, the same players will end up together on the court.... Seems like a term not fit for basketball.
Lmao

[GimmeThat]

didn't they make it illegal to text in college basketball in terms of recruiting
and my boy who was the chair of the committee himself ended up committing that particular crime the most.

Mr. Kelvin Sampson


but it's not like Kobe is asking Melo to come play with him while taking less than what the Lakers had offered them. Which is the Max.

players probably do have the ability to affect other players decision making process while during the season when they are on the same team though.

[ArbitraryWater]

I get that english is your second language, but Christ dude :facepalm

Bottom line? Kobe isn't conspiring with Melo (free agent), who made it public.

I admit, I never actually looked up the meaning... I thought it was simply people coming together... But the privat aspect doesn't change anything for me.


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As far as "gift wrapped" goes, in the sense that any other great could replace his 2000 & 2002 production, and would still win in 2001...

MDE Shaq :bowdown:

[Goldrush25]

Why does it matter who leaves which team? The end result is the same, stars playing together. Idiots arguing technicalities acting as if one situation is more honorable than the other.:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Why does it matter who leaves which team? The end result is the same, stars playing together. Idiots arguing technicalities acting as if one situation is more honorable than the other.:oldlol:

Exactly... It's just, really... :facepalm