Russell Westbrook was the best PG in the playoffs, but yet...

[russwest0]

Chris Paul goes into next season with the "best PG in the league" title. :facepalm

How many years is this going to happen? Best playoff PG by year:

2011: Rose
2012: Westbrook/Rondo
2013: Curry/Parker
2014: Westbrook

Yet each year we go into the season having to hear "Chris Paul is the best PG in the league...." over and over again... :facepalm

Someone explain this to me. I've never seen a guy highly viewed as the 3rd best player in the league get this long of a leash and this big of a free pass before.

[Carbine]

He's tied for the second best player in the league, IMO.

[Purch]

He's tied for the second best player in the league, IMO.
Hmmm :biggums:

Honestly Griffin was the best player on the clippers last season

[tmacattack33]

I would put Lebron and Durant as 1 and 2 obviously and then my number 3 would be up for grabs...with Westbrook and Paul in the running.

[russwest0]

He's tied for the second best player in the league, IMO.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Yet I refute dumb ass claims like this and get called a "Clippers hater" :facepalm

[Young X]

This n!gga is obssessed with Lebron and CP3 lmao.

Saying a PG who averaged 19/11 in the regular season and 20/10 in the playoffs is the best PG isn't ridiculous.

And how was Rose the best PG in the 2011 playoffs? Did you not see how Paul dominated the Lakers?

Stop hating and dickriding, it looks pathetic.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Do we have to have this thread a billion ****ing times?

Chris Paul is the best Point Guard
Russell Westbrook is the best player who plays Point Guard

Stick to whining about refs, op

[russwest0]

Chris Paul is the best Point Guard
Russell Westbrook is the best player who plays Point Guard

http://www.egotripland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/russell-westbrook.jpg

[macmac]

He's tied for the second best player on his team, IMO.

True

[Carbine]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Yet I refute dumb ass claims like this and get called a "Clippers hater" :facepalm

I'm talking about Westbrook.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He's tied for the second best player in the league, IMO.
Paul or Westbrook?

[buddha]

People who say Chris Paul is the best point guard in the league are just sheep. no need to concern ourselves with their regurgitated opinions.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Chris Paul, like clockwork, gets a pass. At this point it's pretty hilarious honestly.

[russwest0]

People who say Chris Paul is the best point guard in the league are just sheep. no need to concern ourselves with their regurgitated opinions.

I agree with this as well. I've noticed most of the people that still believe him to be the best PG are typically the "ESPN" crowd. You know, the same people who, for the next 3 years, will keep saying "LeBron James is the best player on the planet" regardless of if he is or isn't.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I agree with this as well. I've noticed most of the people that still believe him to be the best PG are typically the "ESPN" crowd. You know, the same people who, for the next 3 years, will keep saying "LeBron James is the best player on the planet" regardless of if he is or isn't.
LeBron is clearly still the best player on the planet. Westbrook does have a solid case for 2nd best in the league, at least in the playoffs.

[russwest0]

LeBron is clearly still the best player on the planet. Westbrook does have a solid case for 2nd best in the league, at least in the playoffs.

Not sure what you're basing what off of here. Westbrook was the best NBA player in the playoffs and Durant was the best NBA player in the regular season.

Going into next season the best player in the league is clearly Kevin Durant. If he is somehow able to improve off of last season then it won't even be remotely close either.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Not sure what you're basing what off of here. Westbrook was the best NBA player in the playoffs and Durant was the best NBA player in the regular season.

Going into next season the best player in the league is clearly Kevin Durant. If he is somehow able to improve off of last season then it won't even be remotely close either.
Not even close. In the playoffs, Durant solidified himself as the third best player in the league. His impact was minimal compared to Westbrook or LeBron. Durant is nothing more than a regular season warrior.

[russwest0]

Not even close. In the playoffs, Durant solidified himself as the third best player in the league. His impact was minimal compared to Westbrook or LeBron. Durant is nothing more than a regular season warrior.

So you post garbage like this and want people to take your opinion seriously?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[newbetterbucs07]

Because he's not a selfish idiot? Westbrook will NEVER win a ring, unless he changes his attitude/style of play or he gets moved to shooting guard (but that probably wouldn't work either because he sucks at shooting).

[JohnMax]

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[J Shuttlesworth]

So you post garbage like this and want people to take your opinion seriously?

:roll: :roll: :roll:
You post the way you do, and expect me not to troll you? :kobe:

Everyone has called LeBron the best in the world, including GOAT coach Popovich

[KyleKong]

If Westbrook played at the 2, would anything change about his game?

[JohnMax]

If Westbrook played at the 2, would anything change about his game?

He wouldn't play as much on ball defense. He'd be chasing Ray Allen, JJ Redick.

[Heatles201]

People need to realize this.
Look at KD numbers without Rusell Westbrook they are off the charts
however with Westbrook they are very good ( elite) not good enough to win the MVP, ( they were similiar to his the year before )
Point is : KD Doesn't win the MVP if Westbrook doesn't miss all that time

[KyleKong]

He wouldn't play as much on ball defense. He'd be chasing Ray Allen, JJ Redick.

Probably, but I was speaking offensively.

I don't think his game would change at all.

[Natureland]

If Westbrook played at the 2, would anything change about his game?
Depends on who would be labeled the 1 (in the current makeup of the team, probably Jackson). So...no.

[LoneyROY7]

Chris Paul > Westbrook.

OP mad.

[Heatles201]

And i'm not totally sure on the best 2011 Playoff PG, but Rose wet the bed in 2011 ECF

[JohnMax]

People need to realize this.
Look at KD numbers without Rusell Westbrook they are off the charts
however with Westbrook they are very good ( elite) not good enough to win the MVP, ( they were similiar to his the year before )
Point is : KD Doesn't win the MVP if Westbrook doesn't miss all that time

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[knicksman]

because score first pgs hasnt won in this league as the man while one of the GOATS is a pg. In fact most score first pgs are cancers like robertson, iverson, marbury, arenas and westbrook who made his team from being number 1 in the NBA to almost losing the 2nd seed to pauls clippers. In fact OKC wouldve been eliminated by memphis and clippers if not for the refs. And if you consider durant/westbrook>>>paul/griffin then how come they almost lost the 2nd seed to clippers. paul/westbrook is like iverson/paul argument. Stats wise, iverson wins it but impact wise, its not even close. Paul made teams contenders almost every year while iverson made 1 50+ win team throughout his career in the weak eastern conference. Even poor mans paul(kidd) impacts the game more than him.

[russwest0]

Chris Paul > Westbrook.

OP mad.

Come on man, you don't really believe this do you? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Westbrook MURDERED CP3 when they met in the playoffs this year. It's funny too because everyone was hyping the **** out of the Clippers and I was laughing and talking about how badly I wanted them to actually get out of the first round so that they could get their asses beat. Clippers fans actually seemed scared, as they should after how putrid CP3 played in his last 2nd round appearance.

If Westbrook or Durant ever got outplayed in a series, I'd admit it. Not sure why Clippers fans have such a hard time doing the same with CP3 and Westbrook. Westbrook isn't a young player anymore. He post raped CP3 and Collison and forced the Clippers to double him everytime he went down low which opened OKC's whole offense up.

[russwest0]

Oh, and DeAndre "Bill Russell" Jordan is overrated like ****ing crazy as well. The guy is so scared of getting dunked on that Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, and Adams all got free baskets near the rim vs the Clippers. Hell even Thabo fvcking Sefolosha posterized the clown. :oldlol: DPOY candidate my ass. DeAndre may have postered Ibaka right after Ibaka came down from a jump a split second prior, but at least Ibaka had the balls to jump up and give him a hard contest. DeAndre in that situation would have done like a Clipper and just moved out of the way.

[LoneyROY7]

Come on man, you don't really believe this do you? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Westbrook MURDERED CP3 when they met in the playoffs this year. It's funny too because everyone was hyping the **** out of the Clippers and I was laughing and talking about how badly I wanted them to actually get out of the first round so that they could get their asses beat. Clippers fans actually seemed scared, as they should after how putrid CP3 played in his last 2nd round appearance.

If Westbrook or Durant ever got outplayed in a series, I'd admit it. Not sure why Clippers fans have such a hard time doing the same with CP3 and Westbrook. Westbrook isn't a young player anymore. He post raped CP3 and Collison and forced the Clippers to double him everytime he went down low which opened OKC's whole offense up.

I think an argument could definitely be made that Westbrook is a better player than CP (his explosiveness, rebounding, getting to the basket, etc.) but I think Paul is better at running a team and orchestrating an offense.

Would I blame anyone for taking Russ over CP? Nah, but I personally prefer Paul. Probably would be different if he didn't play for the Clippers. :lol

[moe94]

Westbrook murdered Paul, huh?

Post dem stats, bruh

[russwest0]

Westbrook murdered Paul, huh?

Post dem stats, bruh

28 PPG, 9 APG, 6 RPG, 4 SPG on 49/35/88 shooting.

[Jef]

...or someone could just post how shook CP3 was as GOATbrook came to foul him next to a video of Westbrook at the line shooting 3 free throws to win the game.

CP3 is great, and yeah he is a better point guard. WHO GIVES A SHIT WHO IS A MORE POSITION-DEFINING PLAYER?

rah rah cp3 runs the offense rah rah

CP3 CAN'T ****ING WIN. GOATBROOK DIES TO WIN.

[russwest0]

...or someone could just post how shook CP3 was as GOATbrook came to foul him next to a video of Westbrook at the line shooting 3 free throws to win the game.

CP3 is great, and yeah he is a better point guard. WHO GIVES A SHIT WHO IS A MORE POSITION-DEFINING PLAYER?

rah rah cp3 runs the offense rah rah

CP3 CAN'T ****ING WIN. GOATBROOK DIES TO WIN.

This is 100% true as well. Want to see proof of this?

Look at game ****ing 5 and you'll get all you need to see. 11 seconds on the clock, Clippers up 2 and what does CP3 stupidly try to do? Throw up a fullcourt shot instead of securing the basketball. So Westbrook rips the ball from him, hits 3 FT's in a row :bowdown: and then what happens on the other end of the floor?

CP3 loses the basketball and with 2-3 seconds left instead of fouling Ibaka just whines to the ref and lets the clock run out.

I remember a big change with our teams culture coming with our 2010 team. They were scrappy as hell and it was all because of Westbrook. This man NEVER QUITS when he's out there and the same can be said for Durant.

You know, we joke about LeBron asking to sit the final 8 minutes of a Finals elimination game and I can honestly say that Westbrook and Durant would go out guns blazing and for that I'm really proud to have those two guys leading my favorite team.

[Kblaze8855]

Someone explain this to me.

If you need it explained you wouldnt understand the explanation.

While back I remember an assistant coach on the 76ers talking about how Paul might be the best halfcourt pointguard of all time.

Chris Pauls greatness is only hard to see for people who dont judge basketball players by basketball playing ability.

[russwest0]

If you need it explained you wouldnt understand the explanation.

While back I remember an assistant coach on the 76ers talking about how Paul might be the best halfcourt pointguard of all time.

Chris Pauls greatness is only hard to see for people who dont judge basketball players by basketball playing ability.

Right, and vs the Spurs in round 2 a few years back the guy averaged what, 12 PPG on 35% shooting?

Hell, he's also the first guy in NBA history who I can think of that has seriously injured himself all from flopping.

He just isn't a guy you want leading your team at all IMHO.

[Heatles201]

If you need it explained you wouldnt understand the explanation.

While back I remember an assistant coach on the 76ers talking about how Paul might be the best halfcourt pointguard of all time.

Chris Pauls greatness is only hard to see for people who dont judge basketball players by basketball playing ability.

I honestly wouldn't mind taking Westy over CP3, or seriously get into a argument with someone who says West>CP3. But man Westbrook can't even dream of running the show like CP3 does sometimes

[TylerOO]

Cliff has never held that title to me.

Westbrook undisputed best PG

[knicksman]

...or someone could just post how shook CP3 was as GOATbrook came to foul him next to a video of Westbrook at the line shooting 3 free throws to win the game.

CP3 is great, and yeah he is a better point guard. WHO GIVES A SHIT WHO IS A MORE POSITION-DEFINING PLAYER?

rah rah cp3 runs the offense rah rah

CP3 CAN'T ****ING WIN. GOATBROOK DIES TO WIN.

LOL score first pgs hasnt won shit in this league whereas cp3 has already made his team contenders in just his 3rd yr. Whereas westbrook is just riding durant and made them worse. Number 1 to almost 3rd seed in the west. Luckily refs save their ass or there wouldnt be OKC in the conference finals.

[Kblaze8855]

Right, and vs the Spurs in round 2 a few years back the guy averaged what, 12 PPG on 35% shooting?

Hell, he's also the first guy in NBA history who I can think of that has seriously injured himself all from flopping.

He just isn't a guy you want leading your team at all IMHO.

Anti chris paul people never let me down when I click to see their response expecting no basketball terminology whatsoever.

Chris Paul hate is always shit a 6 year old could explain.

Basketball people rarely have anything negative to say.

[Jef]

LOL score first pgs hasnt won shit in this league whereas cp3 has already made his team contenders in just his 3rd yr. Whereas westbrook is just riding durant and made them worse. Number 1 to almost 3rd seed in the west. Luckily refs save their ass or there wouldnt be OKC in the conference finals.

do you realize that the next time the Knicks win 3 games in a row CP3 will be nearly 50 ****ing years old?

Westbrook has been living on house money until now. Beginning now, the pressure is on to win instead of just stay ahead of schedule.

But you're right - when Russ was 22 and putting up 40 or throwing up a Game 7 triple double against Memphis 3 years ago, CP3 was still the guy making his team a contender.

CP3 had nothing on Westbrook until Game 1 of this year...and then GOATbrook took it back.

[russwest0]

Anti chris paul people never let me down when I click to see their response expecting no basketball terminology whatsoever.

Chris Paul hate is always shit a 6 year old could explain.

Basketball people rarely have anything negative to say.

Congratulations, you approve of a player who fills up the stat sheet (in the regular season) by getting gifted 2-3 assists each game helping contribute to his pretty solid PER (in the regular season).

And no, I don't think a 6 year old would understand just how BETA it is to miss one month of playing time over your own flop causing your own injury.

[russwest0]

I mean it's like some player said about LeBron/Kobe. He said "If I want to have fun, I'll go play with LeBron. If I want to win championships, I'll go play with Kobe."

It's the same exact shit with CP3 and Westbrook. If you want to have fun ****ing around with this lob/flop city shit then go to LA and play with CP3. If you want to win rings then go play with OKC and Westbrook.

Westbrook obviously hasn't won a championship yet but because of his relentless playstyle, competitive focus, and WILL TO WIN regardless of ANYTHING else, he's absolutely on a much better course to win a championship than CP3 ever has been or ever will be.

[knicksman]

do you realize that the next time the Knicks win 3 games in a row CP3 will be nearly 50 ****ing years old?

Westbrook has been living on house money until now. Beginning now, the pressure is on to win instead of just stay ahead of schedule.

But you're right - when Russ was 22 and putting up 40 or throwing up a Game 7 triple double against Memphis 3 years ago, CP3 was still the guy making his team a contender.

CP3 had nothing on Westbrook until Game 1 of this year...and then GOATbrook took it back.

Only idiots fall for westbrook type of players. The same idiots who fall for robertson's triple doubles. Same idiots who thinks Iverson is better than cp3. LOL Same idiots who thinks lebron is better than jordan. And thats because of STATS. STATS are like a female body, if its less than desired, its thin and if its more than desired it becomes fat.

[Jef]

Only idiots fall for westbrook type of players. The same idiots who fall for robertson's triple doubles. Same idiots who thinks Iverson is better than cp3. LOL Same idiots who thinks lebron is better than jordan. And thats because of STATS. STATS are like a female body, if its less than desired, its thin and if its more than desired it becomes fat.

naw mang - i watch games. i watch way too many games.

and you can't deny Westbrook's impact if you only use the Eye Test.

also, you can take CP3 over Iverson to the bank if you'd like, but look away from the stats. Look at AI's MVP or his finals appearance. OR EVERY ****ING TIME HE WON MULTIPLE PLAYOFF SERIES OR PLAYED HURT OR JUST WAS A ****ING WINNER.

PS - your team is crippled because of a guy named Stat. your team is crippled because of a female body. enjoy picking 14th for the next decade in a 2 team conference.

wait...you actually will be thrilled to pick 14th.

[russwest0]

Hopefully I can find this gif from the Spurs series where it showed Westbrooks defense in slow motion. You could see a close up of his face too. His feet and hands were moving so quick and his eyes were so locked in to his man, the dude just looked straight up possesed.

It's not a surprise he forced a benching of Parker. Throw CP3 in that situation and he's worrying about the refs not giving him a flop call from 4 plays ago while Parker is blowing by his a$$.

[knicksman]

naw mang - i watch games. i watch way too many games.

and you can't deny Westbrook's impact if you only use the Eye Test.

also, you can take CP3 over Iverson to the bank if you'd like, but look away from the stats. Look at AI's MVP or his finals appearance. OR EVERY ****ING TIME HE WON MULTIPLE PLAYOFF SERIES OR PLAYED HURT OR JUST WAS A ****ING WINNER.

PS - your team is crippled because of a guy named Stat. your team is crippled because of a female body. enjoy picking 14th for the next decade in a 2 team conference.

wait...you actually will be thrilled to pick 14th.

yeah a fcking winner who only won 50+ once in his career. The guy who was considered cancer. If thats your definition of winner then youre a fcking loser in real life. And yeah that impact that made his team worse. His team went from being the best to almost the 3rd seed in the west. Thats how you define a cancer. Hes no different than AI or marbury. Only idiots dont see that sht.

[Jef]

he ****ing forced the spurs to TAKE THEIR BEST DURANT STOPPER OFF OF KEVIN DURANT. OFF OF THE MVP.

geezus - the people who argue against Westbrook always say "when will he realize that you need to be a true pg to win?" while simultaneously ignoring the fact that:

a) he murders "true PGs"
b) the "true PGs" these homes fellate are not winning titles either

[Kblaze8855]

Congratulations, you approve of a player who fills up the stat sheet (in the regular season) by getting gifted 2-3 assists each game helping contribute to his pretty solid PER (in the regular season).

And no, I don't think a 6 year old would understand just how BETA it is to miss one month of playing time over your own flop causing your own injury.

I approve of a guy who can score on the drive, midrange spotting up, midrage off the dribble, from 3 spotting up and off the dribble. Of a guy who is among the great pick and roll players in the sports history...one of the best lob throwers in history. A good entry passer...and a good outlet passer when called on. A good man to man defender with quick hands....a good passing lane defender...the combo of which is probably how hes led the league in steals 6 times and been all d team just as often. Hes 5'10'' guarding a 6'10'' scoring champ and MVP and more than holding his own. I approve of some of the best ball control of all time...of a mean floater, of great playcalling, of being elite at any tempo and being able to change that tempo to suit the team on the floor. I approve of a 5'10'' guy who can go get rebounds. I approve of the consistent effort with the biggest criticism being an abundance of unselfishness.

As a basketball fan....a guy who has watched his share of good and bad pointguard play....I appreciate getting to watch Chris Paul operate.

There is a reason Isiah Thomas said hes not sure he was ever as good as Chris Paul.

Im not saying I agree....im saying people who arent watching the game looking for something to hate dont need Chris Pauls greatness explained.

You appreciate the pointguard position...you approve of Chris Paul.

Most of the rest is people getting salty over perceived slights to whoever they rep.

You cant talk the game....basketball skills...and not sound like a ****ing idiot hating on Chris Paul.

[Jef]

yeah a fcking winner who only won 50+ once in his career. The guy who was considered cancer. If thats your definition of winner then youre a fcking loser in real life. And yeah that impact that made his team worse. His team went from being the best to almost the 3rd seed in the west. Thats how you define a cancer. Hes no different than AI or marbury. Only idiots dont see that sht.

i don't even know if you are joking? are you?

Goatbrook gets the conference finals like it's a ****ing business meeting. He is there every time, and he isn't late.

it's the knicks and cp3 who seem to always reschedule.

[russwest0]

It's insane man, there wasn't a point guard in the playoffs who came close to Westbrook on the defensive end and Westbrook is doing all this shit while scoring 25+ a night, rebounding 8+ a night, and dropping 7+ assists a night and he still gets no love whatsoever from the national media.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I approve of a guy who can score on the drive, midrange spotting up, midrage off the dribble, from 3 spotting up and off the dribble. Of a guy who is among the great pick and roll players in the sports history...one of the best lob throwers in history. A good entry passer...and a good outlet passer when called on. A good man to man defender with quick hands....a good passing lane defender...the combo of which is robably how hes led the league in steals 6 times and been all d team just as often. I approve of some of the best ball control of all time...of a mean floater, of great playcalling, of being elite at any tempo and being able to change that tempo to suit the team on the floor. I approve of a 5'10'' guy who can go get rebounds. I approve of the consistent effort with the biggest criticism being an abundance of unselfishness.

As a basketball fan....a guy who has watched his share of good and bad pointguard play....I appreciate getting to watch Chris Paul operate.

There is a reason Isiah Thomas said hes not sure he was ever as good as Chris Paul.

Im not saying I agree....im saying people who arent watching the game looking for something to hate dont need Chris Pauls greatness explained.

You appreciate the pointguard position...you approve of Chris Paul.

Most of the rest is people getting salty over perceived slights to whoever they rep.

You cant talk the game....basketball skills...and not sound like a ****ing idiot hating on Chris Paul.

All of this..Chris Paul is one of the best PGs of all time...probably the best under 6 ft

[LoneyROY7]

I approve of a guy who can score on the drive, midrange spotting up, midrage off the dribble, from 3 spotting up and off the dribble. Of a guy who is among the great pick and roll players in the sports history...one of the best lob throwers in history. A good entry passer...and a good outlet passer when called on. A good man to man defender with quick hands....a good passing lane defender...the combo of which is probably how hes led the league in steals 6 times and been all d team just as often. Hes 5'10'' guarding a 6'10'' scoring champ and MVP and more than holding his own. I approve of some of the best ball control of all time...of a mean floater, of great playcalling, of being elite at any tempo and being able to change that tempo to suit the team on the floor. I approve of a 5'10'' guy who can go get rebounds. I approve of the consistent effort with the biggest criticism being an abundance of unselfishness.

As a basketball fan....a guy who has watched his share of good and bad pointguard play....I appreciate getting to watch Chris Paul operate.

There is a reason Isiah Thomas said hes not sure he was ever as good as Chris Paul.

Im not saying I agree....im saying people who arent watching the game looking for something to hate dont need Chris Pauls greatness explained.

You appreciate the pointguard position...you approve of Chris Paul.

Most of the rest is people getting salty over perceived slights to whoever they rep.

You cant talk the game....basketball skills...and not sound like a ****ing idiot hating on Chris Paul.

:applause:

[Jef]

I approve of a guy who can score on the drive, midrange spotting up, midrage off the dribble, from 3 spotting up and off the dribble. Of a guy who is among the great pick and roll players in the sports history...one of the best lob throwers in history. A good entry passer...and a good outlet passer when called on. A good man to man defender with quick hands....a good passing lane defender...the combo of which is robably how hes led the league in steals 6 times and been all d team just as often. I approve of some of the best ball control of all time...of a mean floater, of great playcalling, of being elite at any tempo and being able to change that tempo to suit the team on the floor. I approve of a 5'10'' guy who can go get rebounds. I approve of the consistent effort with the biggest criticism being an abundance of unselfishness.

As a basketball fan....a guy who has watched his share of good and bad pointguard play....I appreciate getting to watch Chris Paul operate.

There is a reason Isiah Thomas said hes not sure he was ever as good as Chris Paul.

Im not saying I agree....im saying people who arent watching the game looking for something to hate dont need Chris Pauls greatness explained.

You appreciate the pointguard position...you approve of Chris Paul.

Most of the rest is people getting salty over perceived slights to whoever they rep.

You cant talk the game....basketball skills...and not sound like a ****ing idiot hating on Chris Paul.

the thing is, i don't think many Westbrook fans talk shit about CP3. yeah, he doesn't win, but he plays basketball like a soccer midfielder, which i appreciate.

he runs the offense. he goes to the ball while maintaining space. there is actual art and economy to his movement and spacing and the angles he creates. i get that. it's impressive.

i think westbrook fans, though, myself included, are just tired of people saying how Russ sucks because he isn't a true point guard.

who gives a ****ing **** who is a true anything? the best player on the planet has no natural position.

THAT is what goat brook fans tire of - the backlash from us is only a reaction to 5 years of backlash from "true basketball fans" who "understand the game more" and like players who "have never made it past the second round."

wait - the last thing shouldn't be in quotes. Chris Paul has never made it past the second round. Russell Westbrook, significantly younger, has made it past the 2nd round 3 times, with one year being robbed due to injury.

[knicksman]

he ****ing forced the spurs to TAKE THEIR BEST DURANT STOPPER OFF OF KEVIN DURANT. OFF OF THE MVP.

geezus - the people who argue against Westbrook always say "when will he realize that you need to be a true pg to win?" while simultaneously ignoring the fact that:

a) he murders "true PGs"
b) the "true PGs" these homes fellate are not winning titles either

magic say hi. LOL and isiah too. And nash, stockton, cp3 are more impactful than score first pgs. In fact, 38 yr old jason kidd is better than westbrook as a 2nd option.

[Kblaze8855]

It's insane man, there wasn't a point guard in the playoffs who came close to Westbrook on the defensive end and Westbrook is doing all this shit while scoring 25+ a night, rebounding 8+ a night, and dropping 7+ assists a night and he still gets no love whatsoever from the national media.


Stop it.

I watched "national media" claiming he was better than Durant.

[knicksman]

i don't even know if you are joking? are you?

Goatbrook gets the conference finals like it's a ****ing business meeting. He is there every time, and he isn't late.

it's the knicks and cp3 who seem to always reschedule.

LOL riding durant. What an idiot you are. Put westbrook in another team and let him be the man and hell do worse than iverson.

[russwest0]

I approve of a guy who can score on the drive, midrange spotting up, midrage off the dribble, from 3 spotting up and off the dribble. Of a guy who is among the great pick and roll players in the sports history...one of the best lob throwers in history. A good entry passer...and a good outlet passer when called on. A good man to man defender with quick hands....a good passing lane defender...the combo of which is probably how hes led the league in steals 6 times and been all d team just as often. Hes 5'10'' guarding a 6'10'' scoring champ and MVP and more than holding his own. I approve of some of the best ball control of all time...of a mean floater, of great playcalling, of being elite at any tempo and being able to change that tempo to suit the team on the floor. I approve of a 5'10'' guy who can go get rebounds. I approve of the consistent effort with the biggest criticism being an abundance of unselfishness.

As a basketball fan....a guy who has watched his share of good and bad pointguard play....I appreciate getting to watch Chris Paul operate.

There is a reason Isiah Thomas said hes not sure he was ever as good as Chris Paul.

Im not saying I agree....im saying people who arent watching the game looking for something to hate dont need Chris Pauls greatness explained.

You appreciate the pointguard position...you approve of Chris Paul.

Most of the rest is people getting salty over perceived slights to whoever they rep.

You cant talk the game....basketball skills...and not sound like a ****ing idiot hating on Chris Paul.

I never said he couldn't do any of that. You could breakdown plenty of great players in the NBA like that. It doesn't mean when you criticize them for their flaws that you are "hating."

When I watch the man throw the Clippers biggest game of the season (in the playoffs) when they had a comfortable lead all because he's worried about manipulating the refs, I have concerns. When I watch him flop himself into an injury and have to miss a month, I have concerns.

[russwest0]

Stop it.

I watched "national media" claiming he was better than Durant.

So he's better than Kevin Durant but worse than Chris Paul :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Thats precisely my point, he only ever gets recognition when it's part of some sort of Durant/Westbrook narrative that the media tries to force with "Is Westbrook the batman?" and stupid questions like that.

[Kblaze8855]

the thing is, i don't think many Westbrook fans talk shit about CP3. yeah, he doesn't win, but he plays basketball like a soccer midfielder, which i appreciate.

he runs the offense. he goes to the ball while maintaining space. there is actual art and economy to his movement and spacing and the angles he creates. i get that. it's impressive.

i think westbrook fans, though, myself included, are just tired of people saying how Russ sucks because he isn't a true point guard.

who gives a ****ing **** who is a true anything? the best player on the planet has no natural position.

THAT is what goat brook fans tire of - the backlash from us is only a reaction to 5 years of backlash from "true basketball fans" who "understand the game more" and like players who "have never made it past the second round."

wait - the last thing shouldn't be in quotes. Chris Paul has never made it past the second round. Russell Westbrook, significantly younger, has made it past the 2nd round 3 times, with one year being robbed due to injury.

Nobody has...and nobody will....get credit for leading a team anywhere when you have the MVP and a 2-3 time MVP runner up on the team at the same time.

As for the "true PG" shit...I never said a word about it.

More often than not im on the other side of that issue:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327518

[imdaman99]

magic say hi. LOL and isiah too. And nash, stockton, cp3 are more impactful than score first pgs. In fact, 38 yr old jason kidd is better than westbrook as a 2nd option.
Where's the proof in that? Oh the Mavericks of 2011? Too bad he wasn't the 2nd option, he was like #4-5th option :roll:

OKC with Westbrook healthy last year was the #1 seed and they lost in 5 to the Grizzlies without him, the same Grizzlies they beat this year with Westbrook taking it to Conley. What's your excuse dumbass? The Spurs this year did not have an answer for him, so they tried their best to put their best defensive player Kawhi on him. Do you realize Kawhi is the one that's always guarding the other team's best player? No, I doubt you do.

Westbrook demolished Chris Paul in the playoffs. It was a great matchup but Russ came out on top. Deal with it :pimp:

[knicksman]

I never said he couldn't do any of that. You could breakdown plenty of great players in the NBA like that. It doesn't mean when you criticize them for their flaws that you are "hating."

When I watch the man throw the Clippers biggest game of the season (in the playoffs) when they had a comfortable lead all because he's worried about manipulating the refs, I have concerns. When I watch him flop himself into an injury and have to miss a month, I have concerns.

you always complain about the refs but now youre ignoring them. That game was won by the refs

[Young X]

I approve of a guy who can score on the drive, midrange spotting up, midrage off the dribble, from 3 spotting up and off the dribble. Of a guy who is among the great pick and roll players in the sports history...one of the best lob throwers in history. A good entry passer...and a good outlet passer when called on. A good man to man defender with quick hands....a good passing lane defender...the combo of which is probably how hes led the league in steals 6 times and been all d team just as often. Hes 5'10'' guarding a 6'10'' scoring champ and MVP and more than holding his own. I approve of some of the best ball control of all time...of a mean floater, of great playcalling, of being elite at any tempo and being able to change that tempo to suit the team on the floor. I approve of a 5'10'' guy who can go get rebounds. I approve of the consistent effort with the biggest criticism being an abundance of unselfishness.

As a basketball fan....a guy who has watched his share of good and bad pointguard play....I appreciate getting to watch Chris Paul operate.

There is a reason Isiah Thomas said hes not sure he was ever as good as Chris Paul.

Im not saying I agree....im saying people who arent watching the game looking for something to hate dont need Chris Pauls greatness explained.

You appreciate the pointguard position...you approve of Chris Paul.

Most of the rest is people getting salty over perceived slights to whoever they rep.

You cant talk the game....basketball skills...and not sound like a ****ing idiot hating on Chris Paul.:applause:

[Jef]

Nobody has...and nobody will....get credit for leading a team anywhere when you have the MVP and a 2-3 time MVP runner up on the team at the same time.

As for the "true PG" shit...I never said a word about it.

More often than not im on the other side of that issue:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327518


fair points. you are lucid and reasonable. the problem is that most often aren't.

i understand that during game nights this place is a ****ing funny farm, but most just aren't as reasonable.

[knicksman]

Where's the proof in that? Oh the Mavericks of 2011? Too bad he wasn't the 2nd option, he was like #4-5th option :roll:

OKC with Westbrook healthy last year was the #1 seed and they lost in 5 to the Grizzlies without him, the same Grizzlies they beat this year with Westbrook taking it to Conley. What's your excuse dumbass? The Spurs this year did not have an answer for him, so they tried their best to put their best defensive player Kawhi on him. Do you realize Kawhi is the one that's always guarding the other team's best player? No, I doubt you do.

Westbrook demolished Chris Paul in the playoffs. It was a great matchup but Russ came out on top. Deal with it :pimp:

didnt I say it already that it would take time if its your pg that gets injured. Even at the start of the season, they havent figured it out. Durant is an off the ball player like amare so its just obvious that it would take time to adjust.

[knicksman]

at the end of the day, most pure points are impactful players. Nash, stockton, cp3, magic, isiah. Meanwhile score first pgs are considered cancers-iverson, robertson, marbury, arenas, westbrook. They havent even made their team contenders. LOL

[outbreak]

yeah westbrook could be called the best pg in the league. The point spot is tight right now though so being the best changes month to month depending on what everyone does in my opinion.

[outbreak]

at the end of the day, most pure points are impactful players. Nash, stockton, cp3, magic, isiah. Meanwhile score first pgs are considered cancers-iverson, robertson, marbury, arenas, westbrook. They havent even made their team contenders. LOL

:biggums:

haven't made their teams contenders?

:biggums:

[russwest0]

Where's the proof in that? Oh the Mavericks of 2011? Too bad he wasn't the 2nd option, he was like #4-5th option :roll:

OKC with Westbrook healthy last year was the #1 seed and they lost in 5 to the Grizzlies without him, the same Grizzlies they beat this year with Westbrook taking it to Conley. What's your excuse dumbass? The Spurs this year did not have an answer for him, so they tried their best to put their best defensive player Kawhi on him. Do you realize Kawhi is the one that's always guarding the other team's best player? No, I doubt you do.

Westbrook demolished Chris Paul in the playoffs. It was a great matchup but Russ came out on top. Deal with it :pimp:

This. Watching Westbrook vs the Spurs was great. 2 Years ago he had a pretty bad series vs them (for his standards, not nearly as bad as the series Chris Paul had vs them though) but this time around he just looked like a man possessed.

Unfortunately Brooks was a collosall jackass though. I'll never forget how stupidly calm he seemed about his rotations without Ibaka:

"What's wrong with starting Nick? You guys don't like Nick?"

Meanwhile Nick/Thabo/Perk all struggled to score 10 points together forcing way too much pressure onto Russ and KD :oldlol: :oldlol:

And Ibaka comes back and Brooks again refuses to adjust while Pop was prepared and had him guarding Matt Bonner out on the 3pt line :oldlol:

**** Scott Brooks.

[Kblaze8855]

I never said he couldn't do any of that. You could breakdown plenty of great players in the NBA like that. It doesn't mean when you criticize them for their flaws that you are "hating."

When I watch the man throw the Clippers biggest game of the season (in the playoffs) when they had a comfortable lead all because he's worried about manipulating the refs, I have concerns. When I watch him flop himself into an injury and have to miss a month, I have concerns.


Hating is exactly what you are doing. You make these topics all the time.

You have nothing to even say about basketball. Some of your topics literally dont even have content. You made a chris paul topic that was:


"When watching Chris Paul play...

He doesn't give off the impression at all that he is a top 5 player in this league. Maybe even top 10 for that matter."


End of first post.

Why does that even exist?

You are a classic hater. Little to say about basketball itself...repeat yourself every so often in a new topic making the same points almost word for word....toss in some flavor of the month internet catchphrases and jokes...all done.

You will never get anyone to see things your way because you dont have anything of substance to say on the subject.

If Westbrook is better than Paul...explain it.

dont tell me series results and "Lol ____ destroyed ___!" and bullshit about a flop during a season of 8,000 possessions.

If you cant explain it basketball wise....perhaps it isnt true. If you can explain it...

I will listen to it. I may not agree.

But ill hear it out.

Chris paul hate is usually not worth reading.

It almost always glosses over basketball ability because he leaves so little to complain about.

Which leaves people with results alone. Who won...who lost.

I can get that from my 11 year old niece. I cant get valid basketball opinions.

give me those...ill listen. If you dont care...dont bother. You have nothing to prove to me. Just stop making topics if you arent prepared to explain yourself when asked.

[russwest0]

Hating is exactly what you are doing. You make these topics all the time.

You have nothing to even say about basketball. Some of your topics literally dont even have content. You made a chris paul topic that was:




End of first post.

Why does that even exist?

You are a classic hater. Little to say about basketball itself...repeat yourself every so often in a new topic making the same points almost word for word....toss in some flavor of the month internet catchphrases and jokes...all done.

You will never get anyone to see things your way because you dont have anything of substance to say on the subject.

If Westbrook is better than Paul...explain it.

dont tell me series results and "Lol ____ destroyed ___!" and bullshit about a flop during a season of 8,000 possessions.

If you cant explain it basketball wise....perhaps it isnt true. If you can explain it...

I will listen to it. I may not agree.

But ill hear it out.

Chris paul hate is usually not worth reading.

It almost always glosses over basketball ability because he leaves so little to complain about.

Which leaves people with results alone. Who won...who lost.

I can get that from my 11 year old niece. I cant get valid basketball opinions.

give me those...ill listen. If you dont care...dont bother. You have nothing to prove to me. Just stop making topics if you arent prepared to explain yourself when asked.

Russell Westbrook's total rebound percentage is in the class of guys all 6'8 or bigger, and a class containing only 5-6 guys too. He's literally one of the best rebounding point guards ever. He outrebounds opposing bigs and then drives the ball all the way down to the other end to score taking 100% of the pressure off of his teammates. Want to see how OKC does without him vs top competition? Refer to the Grizzlies series two years ago.

He locks down opposing point guards and then goes right down on the other end and scores on them at ease... :coleman:

He's elite at basically every aspect of basketball. Scoring, rebounding, defense, and even playmaking. He'd average like 9 assists per game if Kendrick Perkins knew how to score near the rim without taking 5 slow motion dribbles first. Oh and also if Thabo Sefolosha shot the 3pter with any confidence.

He's time and time again came up with clutch defensive plays for OKC. Just to list a few random ones:

-Blocking Roy Hibbert in a close regular season game vs Pacers in final moments
-Blocking Nicolas Batum game winning dunk attempt
-Stealing ball from Mike Conley in playoffs with 12 seconds left, scored to force OT.
-In the huddle for OKC instantly said "I got Ginobli" and locked Ginobli up forcing him into a tough miss to force OT
-Stole the ball from Chris Paul down 2 with 12 seconds left, hit 3 FT's to win the game and BURY the Clippers WCF hopes.
-Not defense, but out rebounded DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin to secure another win for OKC in the playoffs.

ETC, ETC, ETC

How in the world is Chris Paul better than Russell Westbrook? :biggums: :wtf:

[dubeta]

Top 5 next season

Bran
Westbrook
Curry
Davis
Griffin

[Young X]

How in the world is Chris Paul better than Russell Westbrook? :biggums: :wtf:Way more efficient, much better playmaker, better shooter from everywhere, better ball handler, more consistent, higher IQ while being a similar level defender. Westbrook's only clear advantage is rebounding which isn't that big.

He averaged 23/12 against OKC and outplayed WB in half of the games yet you're acting like it's ridiculous to have him as the best PG. That's hate.

:biggums:

[Kblaze8855]

Russell Westbrook is special in 2 regards.


He has superhero athletic ability....and he is relenteless.


He is not especially fundamentally sound....many of the things you mention are results of the 2 qualities I mentioned.

He is a great scoring point because he gets to the rim so quickly.....and his pullup midrange jumper is reliable because people play so far off him once he looks to drive...because of his quickness.

His pullup jumper is among the best weapons in the game...not because hes a great shooter....because when he pulls up his man is 9 feet away because if he isnt hes getting blown by.

I dont consider that a negative...young Jordan was the same way...just calling it what it is.

He is however one of the worst offenders in the NBA when it comes to bailing out the D with a dumb 3. He walks past defenders like they were just a whisper on the wind...btu he will take a 26 foot three in transition totally wasting his greatest gift.


And he is not a special playmaker...he is a guy who can pile up assists due to the chaos his athletic ability causes. Beyond that hes no better a playmaker than any average point. He isnt worse really...as his reputation suggests. He just isnt special.

His defense while solid...is another gift from his genetics and mentality. Again....not a slight. A compliment. But as is the case with many "My god...." level athletes hes prone to gamble...and flat out fail to concern himself with positioning because his athletic ability allows him to recover.

Its not what id call great D...its more like...erratic D.

His effort is commendable. He doesnt just chill on D as so many who go all out on offense do. But he isnt elite.

Compared to a guy like prime Kirk Hinrich hes a notch or two below. Hes elite by the standards of star points who usually dont play defense. Remove the curve...grade him regardless of what he is...hes a good defensive player who could be elite if his effort didnt overcome his disipline. If Westbrook wanted to he could Lindsay Hunter/tony Allen a lot of dudes. But his effort has never been focused. Hes like a sawed off shotgun on defense.

Dangerous...but perhaps less reliable than you might want. And maybe dangerous to both sides without a dedicated frontline behind him.


Is he a great player? Yes.

Is he a HOf worthy player assuming he stays healthy?

Yes.

But hes the pointguard version of early Cavs Lebron if Lebron had half the passing ability.

All the potential in the world is there...but the polish isnt on it.

Pointguard is a position you have to think a little more than Westbrooks gifts make him prone to do.

Doesnt mean I think hes stupid...it means that slowing it down to call a set play and try to find a good shot is probably not the thing to do when nobody can stop you from getting to the rim in transition.

But the same thing that makes hi ma terror limits his ability to win with any lineup vs any team. There comes a point where the leader of the offense has to look over the D and make the right decision in a timely manner.

Westbrook with Chris Pauls composure and mind would be better than Paul with Westbrooks athletic ability.

But neither of those will happen.

So I go with the guy who could operate with anyone and work out what is best for everyone hes charged with leading.

It wont always lead to more wins. But it gives me far more options building my team.

[knicksman]

a pointguards role is to pass. Thats why the team trust that the ball is in their hands. Once you shoot, you betray their trusts because of your selfishness. Thats why score first pgs are the biggest cancers. No one wants to play with them and the evidence is clear with them losing the number 1 overall seed. So stop comparing a pure pg to score first pg coz its not really close. Theres more to the game than stats.

[russwest0]

lol @ this passing shit.

OKC is notoriously horrible at 3pt shooting and start Kendrick fvcking Perkins and you guys want him to get 10 assists per game :roll: :roll: :roll:

"Stop shooting the ball Westbrook! Let Perkins and Sefolosha try to score more!" :roll:

[knicksman]

lol @ this passing shit.

OKC is notoriously horrible at 3pt shooting and start Kendrick fvcking Perkins and you guys want him to get 10 assists per game :roll: :roll: :roll:

"Stop shooting the ball Westbrook! Let Perkins and Sefolosha try to score more!" :roll:

Excuses. Ibaka and the bench were playing great with him out of the lineup.

[knicksman]

westbrook is a cancer. It is what it is. I feel bad for durant coz hes a GOAT level player but he has to play with a cancer.

[notatop29pg]

lol @ this passing shit.

OKC is notoriously horrible at 3pt shooting and start Kendrick fvcking Perkins and you guys want him to get 10 assists per game :roll: :roll: :roll:

"Stop shooting the ball Westbrook! Let Perkins and Sefolosha try to score more!" :roll:

How many boards would the best rebounding pg to ever live get with Deandre and BG on his front line?

4.9rpg career plays with Perkins + Ibaka.
4.4rpg career plays with DJ, Blake and Chandler + Dwest in the past.

Must be hard to rebound when nobody else on your team can.