Jordan hinders his rivals legacies by playing against them, Lebron does it by...

[rule1223]

playing with them... which one do you respect more? Jordan shows hes better than malone and barkely by beating them, however lebron shows hes better than wade by being the better player on the same team

[Nash]

that is cool, had no idea lebron was competing against wade and Bosh for his legacy

[TheMan]

One thing I'll say about LeBron, he's a generous guy. He got Jason Terry, JJ Barea, Tyson Chandler and Roy Hibbert huge pay days. :applause:

Kawhi Leonard gon' get his too

[rule1223]

that is cool, had no idea lebron was competing against wade and Bosh for his legacy
before they teamed up together, there was still a debate on whether wade or lebron was a better player, and after theyre first season it was still unsure whose team it was. You're a lebron fan so i kno u dont like competition but if you're two of the top three players in the nba from the same draft class, youre competing against each other

[DaSeba5]

LeBron has never really had a rival besides Pierce. Wade and Bosh were first round exits. They never played LeBron in the playoffs.

[Roundball_Rock]

that is cool, had no idea lebron was competing against wade and Bosh for his legacy

:lol great point. Wade and Bosh were both getting bounced out the first round while LeBron was competing for titles in Cleveland.


before they teamed up together, there was still a debate on whether wade or lebron was a better player, and after theyre first season it was still unsure whose team it was.

Not really. The majority view was that it was LeBron, some people thought Kobe was better. Very few people thought Wade was the best player. He was consensus top 3--but that usually meant 3rd. At best some people had him ahead of Kobe for 2nd.

Jordan played on a team that won 55 games without him; Barkley and Malone's teams won 56 and 53 respectively that same year (57 for Ewing, 55 for Robinson, 58 for Hakeem, 48 for Drexler). He had no reason to leave when his team without him was competitive with the teams of other superstars; with him they became dominant (55 wins to 72 with the same core). :bowdown:

[Angel Face]

One thing I'll say about LeBron, he's a generous guy. He got Jason Terry, JJ Barea, Tyson Chandler and Roy Hibbert huge pay days. :applause:

Kawhi Leonard gon' get his too

Been saying stuff like this since I joined this forum. This is the only thing I like about Lebron. Not only he help his team mates, he also help the other team as well.

Lebron is the GOAT charity player. He loves giving his opponents championships.

:bowdown:

[sportjames23]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[FLDFSU]

before they teamed up together, there was still a debate on whether wade or lebron was a better player, and after theyre first season it was still unsure whose team it was. You're a lebron fan so i kno u dont like competition but if you're two of the top three players in the nba from the same draft class, youre competing against each other

:roll: as a Miami fan stop making shit up. That debate was between Kobe and Lebron and even Nash. Wade was never in the discussion. Universal top 5 player? Yes. But the top? No.

In fact, it was not until Lebron joined our team that I heard people really start putting Wade in the 3rd spot.

Kobe fans :facepalm

[pauk]

Hm, i dont recall Lebron playing with Spurs or Mavs?
He is playing with Wade/Bosh, who were not his rivals.... and before teaming up with them anytime they would face eachother he would obliterate them....

Lebron teaming up with Wade/Bosh is equivalent of Jordan teaming up with an old & injury proned Drexler and Brad Daugherty.....

...and im pretty sure Lebron has hindered alot of players....

[DMV2]

that is cool, had no idea lebron was competing against wade and Bosh for his legacyLegacies and all-time lists are build around what a player does against his generation.

Why is Hakeem considered a Top 10 or borderline Top 10, whereas D-Rob, Ewing, Mourning aren't? The Dream dominated those big's(plus a very young and raw Shaq) in the 90's.

A few years later Shaq puts himself into the conversion with Kareem, Wilt and Russell by completely destroying every big of his generation.

Say what you want about how stacked Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers were, but they were also each other's rivals. Their legacies are based on their rivalry rather than their stacked teams.

LeBron destroying Wade, Durant, Rose, Duncan and Kobe (even if the last 2 are on a decline) would definitely been a huge legacy.

[diamenz]

what's even worse is that he still can't win.

[GimmeThat]

some people recognize greatness
some people recognize old age

Jordan recognized opportunities

[NumberSix]

Where Wade and Bosh ever rivals to LeBron to begin with? Wade maybe was in 2009, but that's about it.

[Roundball_Rock]

Hm, i dont recall Lebron playing with Spurs or Mavs?
He is playing with Wade/Bosh, who were not his rivals.... and before teaming up with them anytime they would face eachother he would obliterate them....

Lebron teaming up with Wade/Bosh is equivalent of Jordan teaming up with an old & injury proned Drexler and Brad Daugherty.....

Good points. LeBron's rivals were/are the Celtics, Pistons, and Spurs. The Heat and Raptors were not threats to him as they were first round fodder in his prime.


LeBron destroying Wade, Durant, Rose, Duncan and Kobe (even if the last 2 are on a decline) would definitely been a huge legacy.

Only one of those players is at his position--and LeBron backdoor swept the second best player in the league. Regarding the others, he won a ring against Duncan and has beaten Rose's team twice in the playoffs.


Where Wade and Bosh ever rivals to LeBron to begin with? Wade maybe was in 2009, but that's about it.

Yeah--and that was only individually with Wade having a weak case as the best player in the league (i.e. Chris Paul today). As far as teams, Cleveland won 66 games that year. Miami was barely above 0.500. If they met in the playoffs the Heat would have posed no challenge.

Bosh? He at his best was barely a top 10 player in the league. Saying he was a rival to LeBron is like saying Chris Mullin was a rival of MJ.

[Nash]

Legacies and all-time lists are build around what a player does against his generation.

Why is Hakeem considered a Top 10 or borderline Top 10, whereas D-Rob, Ewing, Mourning aren't? The Dream dominated those big's(plus a very young and raw Shaq) in the 90's.

A few years later Shaq puts himself into the conversion with Kareem, Wilt and Russell by completely destroying every big of his generation.

Say what you want about how stacked Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers were, but they were also each other's rivals. Their legacies are based on their rivalry rather than their stacked teams.

LeBron destroying Wade, Durant, Rose, Duncan and Kobe (even if the last 2 are on a decline) would definitely been a huge legacy.
ehh, Hakeem is in the top 10 because he won championships and FMVP's while D-Rob(through Duncan), Ewing and Mourning didn't.

Shaq was a beast and one of the best, that is why. If anything, he moved from team to team to win more championships.

Lebron has destroyed all of those people you're talking about, except for Kobe but they never met in the finals. Bosh and at the time 29 year old Wade are not what is diminishing Lebron's legacy.

[jrong]

Where Wade and Bosh ever rivals to LeBron to begin with? Wade maybe was in 2009, but that's about it.

Try 2004 - 2010.

But, never EVER compare LJ to MJ. Reposted from another thread:


Finals: Jordan 6/6, James: 2/5

FMVP: Jordan: 6/6, James: 2/5

Was team's best player in Finals:

Jordan: 6/6, James: 4/5

Played well in Finals:

Jordan: 6/6, James: 3/5

Was largely responsible for team's Finals loss:

Jordan: 0/0, James: 1/3

And that's just Finals. LeBron also had series fails against the Celtics in 2008 and 2010.

And consider the narrative, Jordan stayed at home, overcame disappointments and nurtured and cultivated his team into two dynasties. LeBron is a ring chasing carpetbagger who had to collude with other superstars in order to win and really didn't even establish one dynasty (back-to-back is not a dynasty). And when those superstars weren't super enough anymore, he had to have more help.

But, the best thing about the Spurs kicking ass this year is that the LBJ GOAT narrative has been broken. Like it or not stans, Jordan three-peated twice. LeBron couldn't even do it once.

Comparisons between James and Jordan are dead for the time being and will soon be buried permanently. LeBron will NEVER be as good as Mike. And that fact restores a little bit of my faith in humanity and the future.

And no matter how much the little stans cry, it's the truth until James proves otherwise on the court (i.e. never).

This is your brain on facts. Any questions?

[Angel Face]

Try 2004 - 2010.

But, never EVER compare LJ to MJ. Reposted from another thread:



And that's just Finals. LeBron also had series fails against the Celtics in 2008 and 2010.

And consider the narrative, Jordan stayed at home, overcame disappointments and nurtured and cultivated his team into two dynasties. LeBron is a ring chasing carpetbagger who had to collude with other superstars in order to win and really didn't even establish one dynasty (back-to-back is not a dynasty). And when those superstars weren't super enough anymore, he had to have more help.

But, the best thing about the Spurs kicking ass this year is that the LBJ GOAT narrative has been broken. Like it or not stans, Jordan three-peated twice. LeBron couldn't even do it once.

Comparisons between James and Jordan are dead for the time being and will soon be buried permanently. LeBron will NEVER be as good as Mike. And that fact restores a little bit of my faith in humanity and the future.

And no matter how much the little stans cry, it's the truth until James proves otherwise on the court (i.e. never).

This is your brain on facts. Any questions?

:applause:

Well said!

Anyway, do you have a link for that thread? Would love to see it.

[KBaller33]

LeBron has never played Wade in the playoffs. I guess there were regular season rivals. They had some great battles when LeBron was on the Cavs.

[HurricaneKid]

Jordan played against Scottie? No wonder Scottie says LeBron is better...

[jrong]

:applause:

Well said!

Anyway, do you have a link for that thread? Would love to see it.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346309&page=2

A LeBron jacker highjacked the Bosh thread, so I responded in turn.

Like many of my posts, it should be bookmarked at the top of the page. It's very irritating when I shut down a debate and then come back weeks later and fools are making the same arguments that I already destroyed. I spend most of my time writing things for money. Occasionally I donate words and wisdom for free. I guess I'm feeling more charitable than usual this week due to the cluster**** that "The Decision II" has become.

[GimmeThat]

the f&ck, Jordan didn't even had the balls to get the max when he came back for the second peat.

he kept his rivals right next to him.

[Hey Yo]

before they teamed up together, there was still a debate on whether wade or lebron was a better player, and after theyre first season it was still unsure whose team it was. You're a lebron fan so i kno u dont like competition but if you're two of the top three players in the nba from the same draft class, youre competing against each other
LeBron played like it was his team their first year. The reg. season and playoffs. Until the finals he let Wade be the lead man and they lost.

That following season Wade announced that he was handing the team over to LeBron. That's when they started winning titles.

[BigBoss]

LeBron has never really had a rival besides Pierce. Wade and Bosh were first round exits. They never played LeBron in the playoffs.


Kevin Durant is his rival. it's all the #2 guy in the league.

[LoneyROY7]

:lol great point. Wade and Bosh were both getting bounced out the first round while LeBron was competing for titles in Cleveland.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Wade had a championship as the lead dog before Bran even sniffed an NBA Finals. GTFOH.