Kevin to Cavs, Wiggins to Wolves?

[WeGetRing2012]

Dominoes to fall?

[christian1923]

I wouldn't trade wiggins. Trade waiters and Thompson. This guy wiggins has a 44 inch second jump vert. Lol

[Duggrr]

Kevin Love outlet passes to LeBron :eek:

[Wally450]

F*ck Love, keep Wiggins.

Kyrie, Wiggins, LeBron. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Teanett]

Wiggins = Pippen

[sfballa13]

Lebron mentions Kyrie, Waiters, Thompson by name in his letter

No mention of Wiggins or Bennett

Wiggins, Bennett for Love

Kyrie-Waiters-Bron-Love-Thompson/Varejao

[SilkkTheShocker]

Minnesota doesn't have the leverage to get Wiggins. Love can just force a trade to Cleveland

[christian1923]

Lebron mentions Kyrie, Waiters, Thompson by name in his letter

No mention of Wiggins or Bennett

Wiggins, Bennett for Love

Kyrie-Waiters-Bron-Love-Thompson/Varejao
Love is not worth that much dude:biggums:

[Uncle Drew]

Please Griffin, please. Sign Maple Jordan right now.

[Orlando Magic]

It'd be a mistake to trade Wiggins for Love imo.

Short term and long term. Love is the most overrated player in the NBA.

[QuebecBaller]

Lebron mentions Kyrie, Waiters, Thompson by name in his letter

No mention of Wiggins or Bennett

Wiggins, Bennett for Love

Kyrie-Waiters-Bron-Love-Thompson/Varejao

I hope the Wolves can get both of them

[El Kabong]

It'd be a mistake to trade Wiggins for Love imo.

Short term and long term. Love is the most overrated player in the NBA.
If LeBron wants it, then it'll likely happen.

[WeGetRing2012]

I think they should keep Wiggins too

[Kukoc]

No thanks.
Dont want him.

I want to keep Wiggins

[Darius]

Love is a perfect fit for Lebron... Cavs would be fools not to move Wiggins to get him.

Love is a finisher, Lebron is a creator.

[NattyPButter]

rather keep Wiggins. Don't empty stats Kevin Love.

[ALBballer]

Lebron is 30 by the time Wiggins develops he might be past his prime. Cavs need to trade for Love and Minny will luck out on the talent they will be getting back.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Lebron is 30 by the time Wiggins develops he might be past his prime. Cavs need to trade for Love and Minny will luck out on the talent they will be getting back.

I agree. I don't think the Cavs can win a championship next year unless they get Love. LeBron didn't sign up to wait for Wiggins and Bennett to develop for a couple of years, he came to win rings NOW.

[GimmeThat]

If you could turn Waiters/Thompson into one of the Bigs from Detroit.

I think there's a lot of potential there.



he's going to make mediocore guards look great again.

[BoutPractice]

If it happens, Minnesota is one lucky franchise, exactly like Cleveland.

Not particularly well managed, tried to contend for the playoffs only to fall into the mediocrity trap... somehow lucked out on Wiggins.

[NattyPButter]

it's a must to keep Wiggins. Love and Kyrie both suck at defense and Waiters is OK.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Go get Wiggins flip!!!

[Bird]

The best case scenario for Cleveland:

Waiters + Thompson + Varejao + Miami's 1st (top 10 protected in 15 and 16, unprotected in 17) + Cleveland's 1st next year + Cleveland's 1st in 17

If Minnesota prefers Bennett to Thompson, Cleveland saves roughly $400k more by dealing Bennett. Cleveland could also toss in Memphis' 2015 1st rd pick if they want to, giving the Wolves potentially 4 1st rd picks next year.

Minnesota gets two young pieces to build around, an expiring contract in Varejao (and enticing trade piece during the season), two end of the 1st rd picks and one pick that could very well settle in to the lottery based on who decides to join Dwayne Wade in Miami.

[FireMcFailPlease]

The best case scenario for Cleveland:

Waiters + Thompson + Varejao + Miami's 1st (top 10 protected in 15 and 16, unprotected in 17) + Cleveland's 1st next year + Cleveland's 1st in 17

If Minnesota prefers Bennett to Thompson, Cleveland saves roughly $400k more by dealing Bennett. Cleveland could also toss in Memphis' 2015 1st rd pick if they want to, giving the Wolves potentially 4 1st rd picks next year.

Minnesota gets two young pieces to build around, an expiring contract in Varejao (and enticing trade piece during the season), two end of the 1st rd picks and one pick that could very well settle in to the lottery based on who decides to join Dwayne Wade in Miami.
That's a lot of words for "no Wiggins no deal"

[Bird]

That's a lot of words for "no Wiggins no deal"

Cleveland's not dealing Wiggins and the Wolves lost out on him when Love wouldn't give Cleveland a guarantee before the draft.

Be happy with 2 young player, an expirer and 4 1st round picks or cry yourself to sleep when Love leaves next offseason and the Wolves receive nothing in compensation (and you get to watch him in Lakers gold or Knicks orange).

[Meticode]

On ESPN live Broussard said the Cavs have offered Waiters, Bennett and a first round pick for Love.

I would expect Timberwolves to turn that down. They're going to go hard for Wiggins.

[tmacattack33]

Double

[tmacattack33]

F*ck Love, keep Wiggins.

Kyrie, Wiggins, LeBron. :bowdown: :bowdown:

Wiggins is 19.

Even GOATs like T-mac and Kobe weren't even starters at that age.

He likely won't be at all-star level for 2-3 years.

And that's the best case scenario.

[Goldrush25]

I wouldn't trade wiggins. Trade waiters and Thompson. This guy wiggins has a 44 inch second jump vert. Lol

There's plenty of NBA players that can jump through the roof.

I like Wiggins but if you gotta lose him to get Love, I get it.

[BigTicket]

Cavs with Kevin Love are a top contender next year.

Cavs with Wiggins might be a contender a few years from now.

I know which option I would pick, and I think both Lebron and the Cavs front office are thinking the same.

However, I would obviously try to get Love without giving up Wiggins first. If Love starts pushing for that kind of deal, the Wolves might have to take it.

[BoutPractice]

On ESPN live Broussard said the Cavs have offered Waiters, Bennett and a first round pick for Love.

I would expect Timberwolves to turn that down. They're going to go hard for Wiggins.
:lol if Minnesota accepts

[LBJMVP]

I thought we already said we are not trading wiggins? Irving and wiggins should be untouchable and anyone else can be traded.

[NumberSix]

Kevin Love is a win NOW move. Don't make the same mistake you made the first time you had LeBron. Don't waste him. Especially not for a guy who MIGHT be a good player 7-8 years from now. Make the most of LeBron NOW while you have him.

[NumberSix]

On ESPN live Broussard said the Cavs have offered Waiters, Bennett and a first round pick for Love.

I would expect Timberwolves to turn that down. They're going to go hard for Wiggins.
They'll take it. It's no secret that Love is gone. He's a FA after next season and he's gone. Might as well get Wiggins right now.

[K Xerxes]

Surely it's possible for them to trade for Love without dealing Wiggins, especially as Love will walk on Minny if he stays?

But wow, if they get Love to go along with Irving and Wiggins... jeez, that is a hell of a team for LeBron going forward.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Who refers to Kevin Love as Kevin?

[BoutPractice]

I thought we already said we are not trading wiggins? Irving and wiggins should be untouchable and anyone else can be traded.
I understand this position but it seems like there won't be a deal unless Wiggins is involved. If the Cavs can pull it off though, it'd be pure robbery...

[jbryan1984]

Exactly what we have offered is what I would offer. I love the new GM, he has thought like me since taking over. I would never give up Wiggins for Kevin Love. Wiggins has too much potential to be a big star.

[NumberSix]

Surely it's possible for them to trade for Love without dealing Wiggins, especially as Love will walk on Minny if he stays?

But wow, if they get Love to go along with Irving and Wiggins... jeez, that is a hell of a team for LeBron going forward.
You never know. Love is gone after next season 100%. Try to get Wiggins, but if you can't, take what you can get. You're basically getting some picks for nothing.

[jbryan1984]

If they don't bite, Tristan, Waiters and both first round Miami picks. Then look at the line up

Irving
Wiggins
James
Love
Varejao

[BoutPractice]

I don't think Cavs fans realize just how ridiculously stacked they would be if they could hold on to Wiggins while adding Love.

2-3 years from now, if Wiggins pans out (and LeBron should help, his chances for long term success are higher in Cleveland, although he will have a worse first few years statistically) you're looking at a team that is basically unstoppable.

[Goldrush25]

You never know. Love is gone after next season 100%. Try to get Wiggins, but if you can't, take what you can get. You're basically getting some picks for nothing.


You have to consider that other teams will be bidding for Love as well. Boston, and GS will throw their hat into the mix again I'm sure.

[El Gato Negro]

love will put a stop to all this and say he will only sign in cleveland, then the wolves have no leverage. wiggins will be signed soon wait and see.

[BigTicket]

You have to consider that other teams will be bidding for Love as well. Boston, and GS will throw their hat into the mix again I'm sure.

GS has a shot at getting Love, but I don't think Boston does. Remember, Love has only 1 year left on his contract, so no team is going to trade for him unless they get a promise that he will re-sign, which means he can control where he gets traded. And Boston is not a good situation for him, he wants to play for a contender.

[LBJMVP]

love will put a stop to all this and say he will only sign in cleveland, then the wolves have no leverage. wiggins will be signed soon wait and see.
Couldn't that bite us in the back though? Then Minnesota could say, we will only trade for wiggins since they know he would only sign with us?

[ALBballer]

That's a lot of words for "no Wiggins no deal"

Cleveland still has more leverage in the situation. What other deals can Minny get and are they going to risk losing Love over nothing? If I'm cleveland I try not to trade Wiggins and wait till the trading deadline.

Anthony Benett/Thompson/Waiters/Picks are a pretty good pieces for a player that will leave regardless.

Look at what the Nuggets got for Melo:

Gallo
Chandler
Mosgov
Fillers

[jayfan]

What about Pao Gasol?

If the Twolves demand Wiggins, screw it. Just sign Gasol instead. He would be a sick addition to this team. He'd add a dimension down low that the Cavs havn't had forever, and he'd be a great addition for a European-style coach. And they don't need him to be prime Gasol. I like the idea just as much as getting Love.

[D-Rose]

I strongly feel Cleveland/Minny will work out a deal. Cleveland has too many assets for them not to. Giving up Wiggins would seal it...but damn you'd really want to see his potential.

[GOBB]

I wouldn't give up Wiggins first. I dangle other assets including those 3
firsts you own next draft

.
Minnesota doesn't have the leverage to get Wiggins. Love can just force a trade to Cleveland

And Minny doesn't have to trade Love to Cavs.

[El Gato Negro]

What about Pao Gasol?

If the Twolves demand Wiggins, screw it. Just sign Gasol instead. He would be a sick addition to this team. He'd add a dimension down low that the Cavs havn't had forever, and he'd be a great addition for a European-style coach. And they don't need him to be prime Gasol. I like the idea just as much as getting Love.
cavs dont have money to sign him.

[El Gato Negro]

Couldn't that bite us in the back though? Then Minnesota could say, we will only trade for wiggins since they know he would only sign with us?
nope risk letting him walk for nothing. past trades havnt went well for teams with players wanting out.

[ALBballer]

What about Pao Gasol?

If the Twolves demand Wiggins, screw it. Just sign Gasol instead. He would be a sick addition to this team. He'd add a dimension down low that the Cavs havn't had forever, and he'd be a great addition for a European-style coach. And they don't need him to be prime Gasol. I like the idea just as much as getting Love.

Gasol is a good piece but his health and age are a concern. Love is almost the perfect complimentary piece to Lebron. Can shoot, rebound, good outlet passer and etc.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I wouldn't give up Wiggins first. I dangle other assets including those 3
firsts you own next draft

.

And Minny doesn't have to trade Love to Cavs.

No, they don't. But the offers aren't going to get better if Love isn't agreeing to sign an extension with these teams.

[El Gato Negro]

"Cavs have offered Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett and a future first round pick to the Wolves for Kevin Love." sauces!

[Derka]

If Flip wanted young players, he would have entertained one of the many suitors he had on draft night.

[ALBballer]

And Minny doesn't have to trade Love to Cavs.

True but no team will give up any valuable pieces without an assurance of Love re-signing.

Love to Cleveland makes perfect sense. Cavs have a bunch of young assets that are expendable and Love will join a stacked team and will be a relevant player.

Love would feast on the PFs in the east.

[yeaaaman]

Just saw this:


The Cavaliers have opened talks by offering guard Dion Waiters, forward Anthony Bennett and a first-round pick to the Timberwolves in exchange for Love, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard.

[walcott]

demand wiggins not shit fat anthony bennet

[FireMcFailPlease]

Cleveland still has more leverage in the situation. What other deals can Minny get and are they going to risk losing Love over nothing? If I'm cleveland I try not to trade Wiggins and wait till the trading deadline.

Anthony Benett/Thompson/Waiters/Picks are a pretty good pieces for a player that will leave regardless.

Look at what the Nuggets got for Melo:

Gallo
Chandler
Mosgov
Fillers
I've said this 100 times..they're tapped talent. Pieces you surround around Wiggins to get love. Just because love says he'll do it now doesn't mean he will..what if kyrie or lbj die or suffer a devastating injury..then love will certainly look elsewhere

[BoutPractice]

Gasol is a good piece but his health and age are a concern. Love is almost the perfect complimentary piece to Lebron. Can shoot, rebound, good outlet passer and etc.
Yeah, people underestimate how much Love would thrive as a second/third option.

By not having to carry the team, he can focus on what he does best (shooting, rebounding, outlet passing)... what he does best, he does better than almost anyone else in the league.

[Bird]

Cleveland still has more leverage in the situation. What other deals can Minny get and are they going to risk losing Love over nothing? If I'm cleveland I try not to trade Wiggins and wait till the trading deadline.

Anthony Benett/Thompson/Waiters/Picks are a pretty good pieces for a player that will leave regardless.

Look at what the Nuggets got for Melo:

Gallo
Chandler
Mosgov
Fillers

I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but with Varejao's expiring contract in there instead of one of Bennett or Thompson (so one of them, Waiter, Varejao and like 3 or 4 1st's, including Miami, Cleveland and Memphis' 1st rd picks next year).

[LBJMVP]

Irving
Wiggins
James
Love
Varajoe

That would be so sick. Please do not trade wiggins! He is gonna be a star!

[LBJMVP]

I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but with Varejao's expiring contract in there instead of one of Bennett or Thompson (so one of them, Waiter, Varejao and like 3 or 4 1st's, including Miami, Cleveland and Memphis' 1st rd picks next year).

I'd do it

[BoutPractice]

Irving
Wiggins
James
Love
Varajoe

That would be so sick. Please do not trade wiggins! He is gonna be a star!
Not right away though. If he stays in Cleveland and develops to his full potential, it could be a Kobe situation. You could see him average 8 the first year, 15 the second, 20 the third etc.... but by the time he becomes a star he'd be playing for a championship contender, similar to Kobe.

If he goes to Minnesota his career path will drastically change. He will get better raw stats right away, but worse habits, and will not benefit from playing on a winning team.

[ALBballer]

Yeah, people underestimate how much Love would thrive as a second/third option.

By not having to carry the team, he can focus on what he does best (shooting, rebounding, outlet passing)... what he does best, he does better than almost anyone else in the league.

Agreed 100%.

Love as a 2nd option is scary. All the open jumpers, he will focus more energy defense and the outlet passes to Lebron James.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Supposedly Cleveland offered:

Waiters+Bennett+Multiple Firsts...

[FireMcFailPlease]

Not right away though. If he stays in Cleveland and develops to his full potential, it could be a Kobe situation. You could see him average 8 the first year, 15 the second, 20 the third etc.... but by the time he becomes a star he'd be playing for a championship contender, similar to Kobe.

If he goes to Minnesota his career path will drastically change. He will get better raw stats right away, but worse habits, and will not benefit from playing on a winning team.
And then LeBron is 32-33 years old and is he good enough to win it all.. I'd say yes, but there's more potential success with love.

Wiggins could flop and then what..Lol..at least on minny it'd happen on a team that wasn't supposed to do anything..if Wiggins blows up, then at least the Cavs did the right thing by getting a star.

[MiseryCityTexas]

I wouldn't trade wiggins. Trade waiters and Thompson. This guy wiggins has a 44 inch second jump vert. Lol


Yeah that's all you need to be a star player smh. Darvin Ham was an AllStar then if that's the case.

[christian1923]

Supposedly Cleveland offered:

Waiters+Bennett+Multiple Firsts...
That's solid. Don't trade wiggins.

[Derka]

Supposedly Cleveland offered:

Waiters+Bennett+Multiple Firsts...

The Celtics offer was better than that, plus they could have added as many 1sts and Minny could ever have wanted.

If Skip is that high on Wiggins, I'm surprised he didn't pull the trigger on a trade sooner when the Cavs were shopping #1.

[inclinerator]

DO not do this trade

[walcott]

trade wiggins

[Darius]

Exactly what we have offered is what I would offer. I love the new GM, he has thought like me since taking over. I would never give up Wiggins for Kevin Love. Wiggins has too much potential to be a big star.

How is Wiggins going to be a big star with LBJ and Kyrie taking all the shots?

He can't space the floor. He's not a catch and shoot guy.

He has defensive potential but has never proven it in the NBA.

The guy has potential but it's far from tapped... and he isn't going to get the learning curve he needs on a team that is going to be 50 win+

[ALBballer]

If I'm Cleveland and I'm giving up Wiggins, I would try to get Dieng and include a player like Bennett.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Supposedly Cleveland offered:

Waiters+Bennett+Multiple Firsts...
Solid for who..Kevin Martin and shabazz Muhamed?? Lmao

[wally_world]

If i were Minny im definitely not trading Love without getting Wiggins back. I'd rather shop him around the league until the trade deadline and see if the Cavs give in, if not ship him elsewhere. He can't sign there as a FA anyway, Cavs will have to make that move.

[DMV2]

Why do they need Kevin Love? They need defense more than anything.

C - AV
PF - TT/AB
SF: LBJ
SG: AW
PG: KI

This is gonna be a good team already.

[RedBlackAttack]

I wouldn't even entertain the phone call if they're only interested in Wiggins. Let him walk.

[pegasus]

If i were Minny im definitely not trading Love without getting Wiggins back. I'd rather shop him around the league until the trade deadline and see if the Cavs give in, if not ship him elsewhere. He can't sign there as a FA anyway, Cavs will have to make that move.
This. There will be other teams with better offers that Love will agree to sign with.

[FireMcFailPlease]

This. There will be other teams with better offers that Love will agree to sign with.
Unless of course, Wiggins is involved.

[GOBB]

Replace Bennett with Thompson and its a deal Minny can think about. I dont know Love's other destinations he wouldn't mind. Other teams can offer as good or even better if Love would play there long term. But for Cavs, I'd see if Minny bites. Only time I would pawn Wiggins is if another team is on the brink of trading for Love (and he agreed to an extension). Might swoop in with Wiggins.

Depends how much Cavs like Love.

Lets face it the team Cavs have had rolling out there since Bron haven't been good. I'd sell some of these assets off but better players around Bron.

[Xiengqichess]

Cave get Oden and we have first pick stating fives. Staked.