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STATUTORY
07-11-2014, 04:13 PM
Buss stay clowning

Melo insist on having Pau with him in new york, or he will go to Bulls

Ca$H
07-11-2014, 04:13 PM
include Kobe for Amare(expiring)

Soundwave
07-11-2014, 04:14 PM
Might as well just kept D'Antoni if you're going to have a roster with Lin + Bargnani.

SpecialQue
07-11-2014, 04:15 PM
Bargs??????????? I'm gonna go shoot myself. It's been real, ISH.

JimmyMcAdocious
07-11-2014, 04:15 PM
Bargs and Lin?

My God, that team could part the ocean.

Ca$H
07-11-2014, 04:16 PM
Bargs??????????? I'm gonna go shoot myself. It's been real, ISH.

I think buss is forcing Kobe to wave his no trade clause. And where is the source OP?

D-Rose
07-11-2014, 04:16 PM
This is more BS from the OP. Second "story" he's posted w/ no link.

Jacks3
07-11-2014, 04:16 PM
Lakers have no direction.

HylianNightmare
07-11-2014, 04:17 PM
I hope not

STATUTORY
07-11-2014, 04:28 PM
lakers FO just embarassing, literally no clue

paytonfan
07-11-2014, 04:28 PM
Nash to mentor Lin on defense.

AnaheimLakers24
07-11-2014, 04:29 PM
wtf

SpecialQue
07-11-2014, 04:29 PM
Nash to mentor Lin on defense.

Is it possible to lol and weep at the same time?

WeGetRing2012
07-11-2014, 04:30 PM
This makes no sense. If Melo wanted to play with Gasol he would do it in LA with Kobe,Lin,Randle,etc

navy
07-11-2014, 04:30 PM
Hardaway is good.

Nash
07-11-2014, 04:31 PM
Awesome deal for LA

all of those guys are expirers. Gasol aint helping this lakers win shit. Lin, Bargs are out after next year which leaves cap space while Hardaway is a good talent.

Beastmode88
07-11-2014, 04:32 PM
LOL wow man. Mixed emotions here. CANT WAIT TO GET RID OF BARG but damn losing hardaway..? :biggums:

brownmamba00
07-11-2014, 04:32 PM
bargnani and lin??

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121230215919/theamazingworldofgumball/images/a/a4/Smiling_kid_shoots_himself_in_the_head.gif

SpecialQue
07-11-2014, 04:32 PM
Hardaway is good.

And Bargs is like some fvcked up scientist somehow spliced AIDS, leprosy, and cancer together. DO NOT WANT.

Lebron23
07-11-2014, 04:33 PM
Hardaway is their promising young player.

Velocirap31
07-11-2014, 04:33 PM
I'd like to see Laker fans spin this one into a positive. Bargnani is trash, we know it better than anyone.

Soundwave
07-11-2014, 04:34 PM
At least Kobe has someone to speak Italian with.

D-Rose
07-11-2014, 04:36 PM
I can't you people are replying to this thread and taking this seriously. THERE IS NO LINK.

alanLA92
07-11-2014, 04:36 PM
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121230215919/theamazingworldofgumball/images/a/a4/Smiling_kid_shoots_himself_in_the_head.gif

hawkfan
07-11-2014, 04:42 PM
Send AB and picks to the Hawks.
We have cap space to absorb his contract in full.

bluechox2
07-11-2014, 04:43 PM
**** that shit mel o can go

wakencdukest
07-11-2014, 04:44 PM
I'd like to see Laker fans spin this one into a positive. Bargnani is trash, we know it better than anyone.



Expiring deal, Hardaway, first round pick?

DMAVS41
07-11-2014, 04:44 PM
Just let Melo go Phil....jesus.

They need to just rebuild.

Calderon/Pau/Melo isn't good enough.

Droid101
07-11-2014, 04:45 PM
Just let Melo go Phil....jesus.

They need to just rebuild.

Calderon/Pau/Melo isn't good enough.
3 seed in the east doe. :lol

magic chiongson
07-11-2014, 04:46 PM
actually, i don't mind. bargs is an expirer next year right? more cap space, and we'll still be decent with randle around.

do it mitch, phil

AirTupac
07-11-2014, 04:47 PM
Alright, this hurts my heart. Cavalier bandwagon time :cheers:

ZenMaster
07-11-2014, 04:47 PM
Lakers have no direction.

The plan must be to tread water until one of the big time free agents bite, might take a couple more summers to be truly competitive.

When does Durant, Westbrook and Anthony Davis become free agents?

If the Lakers aren't going to be competitive next year I wouldn't mind seeing what Pau can do playing triangle in the weak east.

fpliii
07-11-2014, 04:48 PM
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DMAVS41
07-11-2014, 04:50 PM
3 seed in the east doe. :lol

Not if Rose is back at all.

Cavs and Bulls better.

Wizards, Raptors, Pacers...nothing to laugh at either.



They should try and convince Melo to go to the Cavs with Lebron. Could probably get a couple nice young players and 2 or 3 first round picks.

magic chiongson
07-11-2014, 04:50 PM
Alright, this hurts my heart. Cavalier bandwagon time :cheers:

we got 2016 doe :no:

Droid101
07-11-2014, 04:50 PM
The plan must be to tread water until one of the big time free agents bite, might take a couple more summers to be truly competitive.

When does Durant, Westbrook and Anthony Davis become free agents?

If the Lakers aren't going to be competitive next year I wouldn't mind seeing what Pau can do playing triangle in the weak east.
Love is free next year. Durant the next. Westbrook the year after that.

AirTupac
07-11-2014, 04:52 PM
we got 2016 doe :no:

I know :(

Levity
07-11-2014, 04:56 PM
Love is free next year. Durant the next. Westbrook the year after that.

Love will sign an extension with Cleveland. Rondo is a possibility next year, as is dragic. but if lakers are waiting for durant, just trade kobe now. no reason to keep him on a lottery team for two years.

ZenMaster
07-11-2014, 04:57 PM
Love is free next year. Durant the next. Westbrook the year after that.

Dream scenario is to get Durant while Kobe takes a few more years with reduced minutes at a friendly contract.
KD should really consider taking on the role of being the next great Laker, he'd be loved at staples.

Then I want Davis, him and KD could do great things together.

If guys get hurt again we could end up tanking another season(do we even have the pick?) and hopefully draft someone like Karl Towns.

longtime lurker
07-11-2014, 04:58 PM
I'd like to see Laker fans spin this one into a positive. Bargnani is trash, we know it better than anyone.

I'll shoot myself if this happens. The picks won't even be worth it. **** bustani. Why not go after Stephenson or Monroe

r0drig0lac
07-11-2014, 05:01 PM
bargnani and lin??

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121230215919/theamazingworldofgumball/images/a/a4/Smiling_kid_shoots_himself_in_the_head.gif:roll:

ThePhantomCreep
07-11-2014, 05:01 PM
Awesome deal for LA

all of those guys are expirers. Gasol aint helping this lakers win shit. Lin, Bargs are out after next year which leaves cap space while Hardaway is a good talent.

This guy gets it. We're talking $30 million in cap space next year.

Droid101
07-11-2014, 05:03 PM
Dream scenario is to get Durant while Kobe takes a few more years with reduced minutes at a friendly contract.
KD should really consider taking on the role of being the next great Laker, he'd be loved at staples.

Then I want Davis, him and KD could do great things together.

If guys get hurt again we could end up tanking another season(do we even have the pick?) and hopefully draft someone like Karl Towns.
Kobe's 25 mil comes off the books right when KD is free. No matter what pretty much, we'll have the space for him.


Love will sign an extension with Cleveland. Rondo is a possibility next year, as is dragic. but if lakers are waiting for durant, just trade kobe now. no reason to keep him on a lottery team for two years.

Doubt it. The CBA actually makes it worse to sign extensions (unless you get that franchise tag thingy). He'll opt out. Cavs will have his bird rights and can offer him a bigger salary, but he'll opt out.

AKADS
07-11-2014, 05:05 PM
So even with Cap Space next year. How do you fill out your roster next summer.

boozehound
07-11-2014, 05:06 PM
I'll shoot myself if this happens. The picks won't even be worth it. **** bustani. Why not go after Stephenson or Monroe
I dont think you can anymore. With the salaries for Lin and Randle on top of your four players, plus the 7 salary cap holds, you guys are only about 11 million under the cap. Stephenson was already offered that by the pacers and monroe will be matched at anything close to that.

RoundMoundOfReb
07-11-2014, 05:07 PM
How is this bad for LA? Isn't bargnani in the last year of his deal? Gasol for Hardaway and picks is better than losing him for nothing. Hardaway is a solid young player.

dazzer87
07-11-2014, 05:07 PM
Wow lin and now this.....Great day for Lakers fans.......:applause: :applause: :applause:

selrahc
07-11-2014, 05:07 PM
This guy gets it. We're talking $30 million in cap space next year.

we had that much cap space this year... with plenty of big name free agents to sign and we didnt land any of them... whats to say it wont happen again next year?

longtime lurker
07-11-2014, 05:07 PM
This guy gets it. We're talking $30 million in cap space next year.

To sign who exactly. Love isn't coming, neither is gasol or Aldridge. Drain and Rondo are the only real possibilities. News flash no superstar is signing to a ****ing lottery team. And that's what we' ll be with a team headlined by Lin and bargnani

STATUTORY
07-11-2014, 05:09 PM
To sign who exactly. Love isn't coming, neither is gasol or Aldridge. Drain and Rondo are the only real possibilities. News flash no superstar is signing to a ****ing lottery team. And that's what we' ll be with a team headlined by Lin and bargnani
lakers front office does not appeal to any free agents, mitch and jim buss walk into the door, guys like Love and Durant have to suppress their laughter. That's a CLOWN squad. No credibility, we once had Jerry West, Phil Jackson, and Jerry Buss :facepalm

ImKobe
07-11-2014, 05:10 PM
4 pages & still no sources, haven't found any rumors on what OP is talking about.... No way would Knicks give up Hardaway + picks for Gasol, doesn't make sense to trade a very good SG who's still developing for an aged big man with injury problems, who can't play a lick of D at this point.

If this were to happen though, I wouldn't be mad because Bargs is an expiring and Hardaway would be a solid piece for the future, would also have enough space to sign Deng, Stephenson or Ariza.

ZenMaster
07-11-2014, 05:10 PM
To sign who exactly. Love isn't coming, neither is gasol or Aldridge. Drain and Rondo are the only real possibilities. News flash no superstar is signing to a ****ing lottery team. And that's what we' ll be with a team headlined by Lin and bargnani

Durant is the only one worth waiting for, what's the point of getting good players now when it means we can't get great ones later?

Ca$H
07-11-2014, 05:11 PM
Kobe should be traded for Amare too.

Brokenbeat
07-11-2014, 05:15 PM
Some short-sighted Lakers fans on this site. You guys do realize we're in the middle of a rebuild with basically zero assets, right?

Anyway, OP is talking about a rumor that John Ireland just mentioned on his radio show.

longtime lurker
07-11-2014, 05:17 PM
Durant is the only one worth waiting for, what's the point of getting good players now when it means we can't get great ones later?

That's doesn't mean you don't start building the foundation now. Do you think Durant is going to sign onto a lottery team? He will want to step onto a team that can contend immediately. There's no sense tanking when we don't even have a draft pick

Droid101
07-11-2014, 05:18 PM
How is this bad for LA? Isn't bargnani in the last year of his deal? Gasol for Hardaway and picks is better than losing him for nothing. Hardaway is a solid young player.
It's only good if they immediately buy out Barg. He is literally a negative on the court at every facet of basketball.

3LiftHeatCurse
07-11-2014, 05:20 PM
Gasol is a FA.

How can he be traded?

Droid101
07-11-2014, 05:20 PM
Gasol is a FA.

How can he be traded?
S&T

ThePhantomCreep
07-11-2014, 05:21 PM
That's doesn't mean you don't start building the foundation now. Do you think Durant is going to sign onto a lottery team? He will want to step onto a team that can contend immediately. There's no sense tanking when we don't even have a draft pick

Kobe/Randle/Hardaway/Lin/Bargs doesn't qualify as tanking. Certainly not a powerhouse, but 45 wins is feasible.

STATUTORY
07-11-2014, 05:21 PM
Gasol is a FA.

How can he be traded?
sup weatherman

Brokenbeat
07-11-2014, 05:21 PM
Here's the recap from the radio show (courtesy of LG)


"Two informed insiders have told Charged FM Brooklyn that Carmelo Anthony and Phil Jackson are currently at a stalemate.

The Knicks and Lakers are in talks on a sign and trade that would send Pau Gasol to the Knicks, and ship Andrea Bargnani, Tim Hardaway Jr., and a 1st round pick to Los Angeles.

Anthony wants the deal made to pair up with Gasol and be in a position to compete this season. Jackson is hesistant in making the deal because he doesn't want to trade Hardaway who he reportedly hasn't been shopping at all.

Both don't see eye-to-eye, and word is if Jackson doesn't make the trade Anthony could balk and go to the Chicago Bulls."

Shade8780
07-11-2014, 05:21 PM
I don't like how the Lakers are throwing away all their assets for cap space. Well I do as a Celtics fan, but from their perspective, wouldn't you want to surround Kobe with talent during his last few, or maybe even last year?

Brokenbeat
07-11-2014, 05:25 PM
I don't like how the Lakers are throwing away all their assets for cap space. Well I do as a Celtics fan, but from their perspective, wouldn't you want to surround Kobe with talent during his last few, or maybe even last year?

Huh? They're using their cap space to obtain assets. Lakers got jack shit other than Randle right now. ITT people acting like they're blowing up a championship roster or some shit, lol. :oldlol: :facepalm

ZenMaster
07-11-2014, 05:27 PM
That's doesn't mean you don't start building the foundation now. Do you think Durant is going to sign onto a lottery team? He will want to step onto a team that can contend immediately. There's no sense tanking when we don't even have a draft pick

What foundation can you build that means making the playoffs while also having the cap space to sign KD at a max contract?
If you want to play in the western playoffs the next two years you have to get some good players, good players want and get longer contracts.

You're right there is no sense tanking if we don't have a draft pick, but there is no sense in giving away our next chance for a franchise player.

coin24
07-11-2014, 05:30 PM
:facepalm :facepalm

Lakers are fu*ked:facepalm

Shade8780
07-11-2014, 05:33 PM
Huh? They're using their cap space to obtain assets. Lakers got jack shit other than Randle right now. ITT people acting like they're blowing up a championship roster or some shit, lol. :oldlol: :facepalm
How is trading for Lin and Bargnani getting cap space for this offseason? I'm talking about next offseason, when there's a good chance Kobe is retired. It's not a championship roster, but they should at least try to have a Playoffs run while Kobe is still playing, and then they can tank all they want.

KobesFinger
07-11-2014, 05:40 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcrVHx0CYAAgqqE.jpg

Lets get #1 and draft Okafor. Okafor, Durant and Randle may be a formidable front line

oh the horror
07-11-2014, 05:43 PM
Huh? They're using their cap space to obtain assets. Lakers got jack shit other than Randle right now. ITT people acting like they're blowing up a championship roster or some shit, lol. :oldlol: :facepalm



This. Laker fans need to forget "contending" for the next two seasons. These moves right now are for cap space and wiggle room later down the line.

Brokenbeat
07-11-2014, 05:46 PM
How is trading for Lin and Bargnani getting cap space for this offseason? I'm talking about next offseason, when there's a good chance Kobe is retired. It's not a championship roster, but they should at least try to have a Playoffs run while Kobe is still playing, and then they can tank all they want.


Lol, it's amazing that people expect the Lakers to be competitive anytime soon. Nothing short of getting LeBron AND Melo would've been enough, so it's time to plan for the future.

The Lakers ONLY asset other than Randle is using their cap space to help facilitate other trades. That's how you get real assets out of basically nothing. It's a ****ing rebuild - is this suddenly a foreign concept to everybody because it's the Lakers doing it? Next season they'll have like 30mil in capspace, a few 1st rounders, and more young pieces to build around. Same situation they're in now, but with a hell of a lot more to work with. That's the only reason these trades are happening.

It's really not that difficult to grasp. :hammerhead:

Velocirap31
07-11-2014, 05:50 PM
This. Laker fans need to forget "contending" for the next two seasons. These moves right now are for cap space and wiggle room later down the line.

You guys only have Kobe a few more years though. I'm sure he wants to compete.

Crown&Coke
07-11-2014, 05:50 PM
This is more BS from the OP. Second "story" he's posted w/ no link.

Has to be. I thought Knicks can't do a sign and trade since they are over the cap

ThePhantomCreep
07-11-2014, 05:52 PM
You guys only have Kobe a few more years though. I'm sure he wants to compete.

Even Kobe is realistic about the Lakers chances the next few years.

Brokenbeat
07-11-2014, 05:53 PM
Has to be. I thought Knicks can't do a sign and trade since they are over the cap

Apparently they can if the deal brings them under the cap.

RoundMoundOfReb
07-11-2014, 05:56 PM
It's only good if they immediately buy out Barg. He is literally a negative on the court at every facet of basketball.

Lakers aren't contending this year anyways...who cares if you have to put up with bargs for a year.

alanLA92
07-11-2014, 06:18 PM
Lol, it's amazing that people expect the Lakers to be competitive anytime soon. Nothing short of getting LeBron AND Melo would've been enough, so it's time to plan for the future.

The Lakers ONLY asset other than Randle is using their cap space to help facilitate other trades. That's how you get real assets out of basically nothing. It's a ****ing rebuild - is this suddenly a foreign concept to everybody because it's the Lakers doing it? Next season they'll have like 30mil in capspace, a few 1st rounders, and more young pieces to build around. Same situation they're in now, but with a hell of a lot more to work with. That's the only reason these trades are happening.

It's really not that difficult to grasp. :hammerhead:

Agreed, but still hate getting Barg. :facepalm

bluechox2
07-11-2014, 06:29 PM
byebye melo, we have a promising core in hardaway and cleanthony

MisterAmazing
07-11-2014, 06:39 PM
So the Lakers could've at least thrown offers, but didn't, to:
Monroe
Stephenson
Bledsoe
Thomas

Instead, they're going for
Lin
Bargnani(??)

Obviously these are salary cap moves for next year...but remember how the Lakers entered this offseason optimistic because they had a lot of cap space? If they had a plan, the FO would realize having at least one of these young promising players signed on would be a step toward building a contender again. Theyre not building toward anything, just moving laterally in the realm of non-playoff teams while Kobe continues to age.

Mitch and Jim keep banking on cap space, but at a certain point cap space just becomes speculation - in theory that cap space couldve turned into Melo, etc. but it didn't....So instead of trying to build by committing salary to certain prospects, they're going to essentially throw it away for the POSSIBILITY of getting Love, etc. The same thing is bound to keep happening...'we'll use that cap space next year' then nothing happens.

Morey and the Rockets have the right idea, start with a solid guy who can be there for the team for years to come (Harden), keep adding pieces (Lin, Parsons, Asik) THEN go for the big fish (Howard, Bosh). Morey monitors his cap space yet recognizes that it's wasted if he's not using it to make strides forward with the team. Mitch/Buss just think it's all or nothing, which is messed up.

ZenMaster
07-11-2014, 06:52 PM
So the Lakers could've at least thrown offers, but didn't, to:
Monroe
Stephenson
Bledsoe
Thomas

Instead, they're going for
Lin
Bargnani(??)

Obviously these are salary cap moves for next year...but remember how the Lakers entered this offseason optimistic because they had a lot of cap space? If they had a plan, the FO would realize having at least one of these young promising players signed on would be a step toward building a contender again. Theyre not building toward anything, just moving laterally in the realm of non-playoff teams while Kobe continues to age.

Mitch and Jim keep banking on cap space, but at a certain point cap space just becomes speculation - in theory that cap space couldve turned into Melo, etc. but it didn't....So instead of trying to build by committing salary to certain prospects, they're going to essentially throw it away for the POSSIBILITY of getting Love, etc. The same thing is bound to keep happening...'we'll use that cap space next year' then nothing happens.

Morey and the Rockets have the right idea, start with a solid guy who can be there for the team for years to come (Harden), keep adding pieces (Lin, Parsons, Asik) THEN go for the big fish (Howard, Bosh). Morey monitors his cap space yet recognizes that it's wasted if he's not using it to make strides forward with the team. Mitch/Buss just think it's all or nothing, which is messed up.

Lin, Parsons and Asik were there before Harden. It's tough to lock in pieces like that when your cap is already stretched which is also why signing a guy like Monroe to his max solves nothing if you're trying to build a championship contender.

smoovegittar
07-11-2014, 07:12 PM
Hardaway's going nowheres. :no:

navy
07-11-2014, 07:15 PM
Hardaway's going nowheres. :no:
Fvck you bro. My boy Hardaway Jr bout to be that Kobe replacement.

smoovegittar
07-11-2014, 07:19 PM
You can dream, asswipe. Lakers can have Lin. :oldlol:

MisterAmazing
07-11-2014, 07:20 PM
Lin, Parsons and Asik where there before Harden. It's tough to lock in pieces like that when your cap is already stretched which is also why signing a guy like Monroe to his max solves nothing if you're trying to build a championship contender.

whoops my bad, but you can get the idea.

I just don't see how a team can build a contender if their whole plan is to hold out and just swing for the fences on the big name each offseason, when they could realistically keep missing. Instead of spending for a guy like Thomas who would improve the roster as a solid piece now and in the future, theyre spending all their money on Lin, Young, and Hill...just replaying last season - Pau + Kobe/Randle. This plan (or lack thereof) takes them nowhere, fast. What theyre doing doesnt set up a championship-caliber TEAM, it only sets up the chance of acquiring an elite-level PLAYER.

el gringos
07-11-2014, 07:24 PM
Gasol is a FA.

How can he be traded?
Through a sign and trade only IF the idiotic idea of somebody taking Amare for pure capspace.


Terribly dumb trade on top of not possible

longtime lurker
07-11-2014, 07:24 PM
So the Lakers could've at least thrown offers, but didn't, to:
Monroe
Stephenson
Bledsoe
Thomas

Instead, they're going for
Lin
Bargnani(??)

Obviously these are salary cap moves for next year...but remember how the Lakers entered this offseason optimistic because they had a lot of cap space? If they had a plan, the FO would realize having at least one of these young promising players signed on would be a step toward building a contender again. Theyre not building toward anything, just moving laterally in the realm of non-playoff teams while Kobe continues to age.

Mitch and Jim keep banking on cap space, but at a certain point cap space just becomes speculation - in theory that cap space couldve turned into Melo, etc. but it didn't....So instead of trying to build by committing salary to certain prospects, they're going to essentially throw it away for the POSSIBILITY of getting Love, etc. The same thing is bound to keep happening...'we'll use that cap space next year' then nothing happens.

Morey and the Rockets have the right idea, start with a solid guy who can be there for the team for years to come (Harden), keep adding pieces (Lin, Parsons, Asik) THEN go for the big fish (Howard, Bosh). Morey monitors his cap space yet recognizes that it's wasted if he's not using it to make strides forward with the team. Mitch/Buss just think it's all or nothing, which is messed up.

Thank you finally someone who gets it. Lakers front office either goes for the home run or nothing at all. It's such a cluster**** of a strategy. Morey is severely overrated but he understands the that you pick up the pieces over 2-3 seasons. Seriously what's the pitch to a free agent in 2015? Come play with Kobe, Randle, Nick Young and Jordan Hill? How about 2016 come play with Randle, Nick Young and Kobe's corpse? No superstar is heading to that team. Worst part is that we don't even have a pick next year and this team will most definitely be a lottery team. I would have rather just signed Isiah Thomas and used the rest of the capspace to take on more assets for picks. It sucks that so many of the haters were right about the Lakers.

Threethrows
07-11-2014, 07:26 PM
This off season has been hilarious so far :roll: :roll:

el gringos
07-11-2014, 07:26 PM
Hardaway's going nowheres. :no:
Right. He's already promised to Milwaukee once the 60 days are up to include Larkin and prob dalembert

ZenMaster
07-11-2014, 07:33 PM
whoops my bad, but you can get the idea.

I just don't see how a team can build a contender if their whole plan is to hold out and just swing for the fences on the big name each offseason, when they could realistically keep missing. Instead of spending for a guy like Thomas who would improve the roster as a solid piece now and in the future, theyre spending all their money on Lin, Young, and Hill...just replaying last season - Pau + Kobe/Randle. This plan (or lack thereof) takes them nowhere, fast. What theyre doing doesnt set up a championship-caliber TEAM, it only sets up the chance of acquiring an elite-level PLAYER.

It's tanking, you get a pick then another pick and perhaps another, then you sign a good player while the guys developing are still on their rookie contracts.

For example sign Durant and extend Randle the year after, in the process you pick up maybe a guy like Karl Towns who would need to be extended the year after Randle.

Euroleague
07-11-2014, 07:34 PM
For Bargnani?

:oldlol: :lol :roll:

:biggums:

bluechox2
07-11-2014, 07:35 PM
Right. He's already promised to Milwaukee once the 60 days are up to include Larkin and prob dalembert
dumbest shit ive heard :biggums:

el gringos
07-11-2014, 08:02 PM
dumbest shit ive heard :biggums:
Amare/Hardaway/thanasis/Larkin

For

larrySanders/illyasova/Zaza/mayo


Is worlds better than the trade in this post. And it isn't even possible. Him and you think the Knicks could take a guy in a sign and trade

MisterAmazing
07-11-2014, 08:12 PM
It's tanking, you get a pick then another pick and perhaps another, then you sign a good player while the guys developing are still on their rookie contracts.

For example sign Durant and extend Randle the year after, in the process you pick up maybe a guy like Karl Towns who would need to be extended the year after Randle.

This isnt even tanking though! They don't have their own pick next year, and it's not like the talent they have is at the level of last year's Sixers or Bucks. Not to mention that the Lakers aren't the tanking type. There's just no direction or progress here.

Spending their money on a guy like Bledsoe rather than Young/Lin etc. would both make them better and make the Lakers more appealing to other FAs. Signing Durant as you say would be an incredible move, but how can the FO expect that to happen when theyve missed out on Melo and the like, and their team doesnt have much appeal upside outside of Randle and old Kobe?

ZenMaster
07-11-2014, 09:00 PM
This isnt even tanking though! They don't have their own pick next year, and it's not like the talent they have is at the level of last year's Sixers or Bucks. Not to mention that the Lakers aren't the tanking type. There's just no direction or progress here.

Spending their money on a guy like Bledsoe rather than Young/Lin etc. would both make them better and make the Lakers more appealing to other FAs. Signing Durant as you say would be an incredible move, but how can the FO expect that to happen when theyve missed out on Melo and the like, and their team doesnt have much appeal upside outside of Randle and old Kobe?

Players like Bledsoe wants 4-5 year contracts, Lin is on his last year.. There is no point signing Bledsoe in order to be attractive to free agents if it also means you wont have the money for those free agents you're trying to attract.

Lakers will always have much appeal, biggest fan base in basketball by far. There is A LOT of money to be made as the #1 star of the Lakers, that opportunity isn't there for any player until Kobe retires though so we'll have to wait a few years for our next franchise player.

J.101
07-11-2014, 09:02 PM
Strange move...The picks help I guess?

gts
07-11-2014, 09:20 PM
This isnt even tanking though! They don't have their own pick next year, and it's not like the talent they have is at the level of last year's Sixers or Bucks. Not to mention that the Lakers aren't the tanking type. There's just no direction or progress here.

Spending their money on a guy like Bledsoe rather than Young/Lin etc. would both make them better and make the Lakers more appealing to other FAs. Signing Durant as you say would be an incredible move, but how can the FO expect that to happen when theyve missed out on Melo and the like, and their team doesnt have much appeal upside outside of Randle and old Kobe?

The problem is getting rid of bad contracts to create cap space, you can't build a roster the same way anymore..

used to be somebody was always willing to take an expiring contract or waiving a player didn't have the impact on your cap it does now, worse came to worse just spend more money..

now it's not so easy, can't spend your way out of a corner so they can't or won't commit to long term contracts on role players because once you get above the cap you're kind of stuck there... It's better to go this route and retain financial flexibility for the present then it is to gamble on role players...

keep the players that look they have promise and slowly build the team while maintaing the ability to make changes or jettison bad contracts when needed

Mr. I'm So Rad
07-11-2014, 09:21 PM
RIP Lakers

Bosnian Sajo
07-11-2014, 09:39 PM
Maaaaaaaan, I wish we would ****ing sign Lance Stephenson and stop ****ing around. Bargs would be nice off the bench, and he is an expiring contract so no biggie. Hardaway would be a great prospect, but we need a marquee FA signing to at least make the playoffs this year.

longtime lurker
07-11-2014, 10:10 PM
Maaaaaaaan, I wish we would ****ing sign Lance Stephenson and stop ****ing around. Bargs would be nice off the bench, and he is an expiring contract so no biggie. Hardaway would be a great prospect, but we need a marquee FA signing to at least make the playoffs this year.

You didn't hear? We spent all our capspace on Jordan Hill, Swaggy P and Jeremy Lin :facepalm