BREAKING: Isaiah Thomas sign-and-trade to Suns; 4 years, $27 million

[bagelred]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 4m

Suns and Kings are finalizing a sign-and-trade deal on a four-year, $27M contract for Isaiah Thomas, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 1m

The Kings will get an approximately $7 million trade exception and the draft rights to Alex Oriakhi, league source says.


OK close the other thread...this is the deal.

[Shade8780]

eat poo

[D-Rose]

Wow. So are they keeping Bledsoe?

[Smook A.]

So I guess Eric Bledsoe won't be returning

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I hope Bledsoe is returning. A Thomas/Dragic backcourt looks kind of bad. Or IT coming off the bench regardless of Bledsoe?

[chips93]

welcome to 4 minutes ago breh :pimp:

[bagelred]

eat poo

ok i will

[oarabbus]

I hope Bledsoe is returning. A Thomas/Dragic backcourt looks kind of bad. Or IT coming off the bench regardless of Bledsoe?

I don't think they give him 4/$27 to come off the bench. Someone is gone. They just drafted Ennis as well.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Suns stupid af
they need Bledsoe defense.

Goran and Isaiah backcourt defense:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[-Lebron23-]

They don't care about shooting guards anymore, just scoring point guards should do :applause:

[chips93]

I don't think they give him 4/$27 to come off the bench. Someone is gone. They just drafted Ennis as well.

get all 4 dudes to walk into one of those teleporters from that movie 'the fly' and create the best point guard of all time?

[DMV2]

I don't think they give him 4/$27 to come off the bench. Someone is gone. They just drafted Ennis as well.
Not only that but why would IT go somewhere to be a backup when he finally became a start last year.

[DMAVS41]

Why not keep all 3?

Thomas at less than 7 million a year with cap/tax increases over the course of the contract is absolutely a great deal.

Could definitely bring him off the bench as the backup pg and play him 25 or so minutes per game.

Great value.

[andremiller07]

Not only that but why would IT go somewhere to be a backup when he finally became a start last year.
He was a starter cause Vasqeuz was awful and Ray Macullum still a rookie

[bluechox2]

they have 2 star pgs already

[wally_world]

Alright awesome we didn't give up shit

I could see the Suns running Isaiah / Dragic / Bledsoe / Tucker / Markieff in spurts

[HylianNightmare]

Moving Bledsoe or dragic now??

[bagelred]

Moving Bledsoe or dragic now??

Yeah i don't get this either.

[andremiller07]

Kings gave up the a solid asset for literally nothing what terrible management.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

get all 4 dudes to walk into one of those teleporters from that movie 'the fly' and create the best point guard of all time?

Honestly, take the best traits out of all 4 of those guys and the finished product still isn't better than Magic.

[Embers]

Its called a 6th man

Even my fat mamma can tell that is the reason behind this deal.

[bagelred]

Its called a 6th man

Even my fat mamma can tell that is the reason behind this deal.

Like the movie 6th man?

[jbryan1984]

3 starting point guards huh

[DMV2]

Its called a 6th man

Even my fat mamma can tell that is the reason behind this deal.
So IT finally becomes a full-time starter and he wants to go back to the bench?

:oldlol:

[Droid101]

I'm betting they figured Bledsoe would get too big of an offer so they got insurance on that.

Should drive Bledsoe's offer a little lower which is good.

[dubeta]

underpaid

[DMAVS41]

3 starting point guards huh

Why do you guys think you have to start a player making a little less than 7 million a year?

There is nothing wrong with paying your 6th man that much.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bledsoe to LA?

[Crown&Coke]

they have 2 star pgs already

Exactly.

I think David Kahn is secretly running things in Phx

[chips93]

Its called a 6th man

Even my fat mamma can tell that is the reason behind this deal.

because they already have bledsoe and dragic soaking up pretty much all their pg minutes

they staggered dragic and bledsoes minutes so that one of them was on the court pretty much all game long. they didnt need a backup pg last year, because dragic and bledsoe filled that role together.

[chips93]

Suns' vision still includes Eric Bledsoe, who is a restricted free agent. Phoenix views Thomas as great third guard to play with EB & Dragic

cghn.

[Burgz V2]

dafuq is happening?

[Auka]

xD Bledsoe isn't going anywhere, he'll get his money.

[bladefd]

Originally Posted by Sam Amick
Suns' vision still includes Eric Bledsoe, who is a restricted free agent. Phoenix views Thomas as great third guard to play with EB & Dragic

That makes zero sense. They have needs at other positions. Why the hell would you further build up PG if you already have 2 of them??? They still need players at other positions.

Thomas/Bledsoe/Dragic cannot all start together or even a combo of the 2.. Thomas is 5'9", Bledsoe 6'1", Dragic 6'3"...

[tontoz]

Like everyone else i am like :wtf:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What are they giving up?

[CelticBaller]

Suns are idiots

All their good guards are below 6'4

[longtime lurker]

Why not keep all 3?

Thomas at less than 7 million a year with cap/tax increases over the course of the contract is absolutely a great deal.

Could definitely bring him off the bench as the backup pg and play him 25 or so minutes per game.

Great value.

Because they just drafted a fvcking point guard. There aren't enough minutes to Dragic, Bledsoe, Thomas and Ennis. It's not like Thomas or Ennis can play SG. This was such a dumb**** move by the Suns. So far the best GM of this offseason has been Danny Ainge and he literally did nothing to earn that title.

[Anti Hero]

Making way for that Dragic Hibbert swap. Still hope they get Monroe, with or without Hibbert.

[iamgine]

If you can acquire IT with that kind of money, surely you have to do it. Figure out the rest later. Worst case he can be traded for good assets.

[JohnFreeman]

I don't understand why the Suns want Thomas, but I don't mind this.

[Godzuki]

That makes zero sense. They have needs at other positions. Why the hell would you further build up PG if you already have 2 of them??? They still need players at other positions.

Thomas/Bledsoe/Dragic cannot all start together or even a combo of the 2.. Thomas is 5'9", Bledsoe 6'1", Dragic 6'3"...


imagine the running tho up tempo. only if Don Nelson still coached..

these 3 are amazing guards.

[DMAVS41]

Because they just drafted a fvcking point guard. There aren't enough minutes to Dragic, Bledsoe, Thomas and Ennis. It's not like Thomas or Ennis can play SG. This was such a dumb**** move by the Suns. So far the best GM of this offseason has been Danny Ainge and he literally did nothing to earn that title.

Meh....total over-reaction. You have the chance to get Thomas at less than 7 million a year...you ****ing do it.

And yes, you can play Dragic and Thomas at the same time.

My team just got done playing Calderon/Ellis at the same time...and Thomas is absolutely a better defender than Calderon.

And so what about Ennis? You can still develop him and play him as the 3rd pointguard...and then move him if need be.

Such a valuable contract.

So pissed my Mavs didn't do this. What the **** are we doing in Dallas.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

lol Ennis is not gonna play a lot right away anyways

[Anti Hero]

Making way for that Dragic Hibbert swap. Still hope they get Monroe, with or without Hibbert.
If not this.. They could be doing a KJ, JKidd and Steve Nash 2.0

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

I don't get trade for either team, really. But at least it makes more sense for the Suns. 2-PG system aint too bad, can probably work for that roster. And they'll have 3 good ones to rotate. O as others have said trade-bait...plus Suns still have a ton of $$ to get other bigs.

As for the Kings...wtf are they gonna do w/ a $7m trade exception? Possibly use to get Jsmoove? I mean...they could've at least got a pick... :facepalm

[HomieWeMajor]

Suns can play all three PGs at the same time. It will confuse the opponent as they will not know who the real point guard is.

[dirkdiggler41]

How bad is Thomas? The guy avg. 20ppg and is 24 years old. Why is he getting such a bad contract?

[JohnFreeman]

Collison better step the fvck up

[chosen_one6]

How bad is Thomas? The guy avg. 20ppg and is 24 years old. Why is he getting such a bad contract?

He's not bad at all. He's actually pretty good. The problem is because he's short.

[Godzuki]

3 unguardable guards~

[Big Cheese]

Making way for that Dragic Hibbert swap. Still hope they get Monroe, with or without Hibbert.

why would a run and gun team like phx want a big slow immobile oaf like hibbert :biggums:

[To4]

How bad is Thomas? The guy avg. 20ppg and is 24 years old. Why is he getting such a bad contract?

Dafuq?? he is just short. but damn he can ball and play against the big boys.. :rockon:

[JohnFreeman]

His defense isn't great, and he can't play the PnR. I will miss him though

[irondarts]

That makes zero sense. They have needs at other positions. Why the hell would you further build up PG if you already have 2 of them??? They still need players at other positions.

Thomas/Bledsoe/Dragic cannot all start together or even a combo of the 2.. Thomas is 5'9", Bledsoe 6'1", Dragic 6'3"...
Bledsoe and Dragic played together all of the time last year.

It's easy to envision, Dragic and Bledsoe start in the back court and IT is the 6th man.

Ennis is not a factor for any significant minutes this year anyway. This Suns team is going to be extremely fun to watch.

[blackification]

Making way for that Dragic Hibbert swap. Still hope they get Monroe, with or without Hibbert.
Neither of them are as good as dragic and neither of them fit the suns.

[Godzuki]

Bledsoe and Dragic played together all of the time last year.

It's easy to envision, Dragic and Bledsoe start in the back court and IT is the 6th man.

Ennis is not a factor for any significant minutes this year anyway. This Suns team is going to be extremely fun to watch.


bledsoe can play bigger than he is with his athleticism too. dragic isn't really tiny. IT is tho.

[Godzuki]

Neither of them are as good as dragic and neither of them fit the suns.


Dragic could be the most talented PG in the NBA right now so thats not really saying much.

all 3 of these guards have a ton of game tho. actually all 3 are pretty unstoppable off the dribble.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

He's not bad at all. He's actually pretty good. The problem is because he's short.
qft. though his D ain't the best...


Collison better step the fvck up
qft, too.

Looking at Kings roster now, you got...(I won't bother w/ rotations):

C/PF - Cousins, REvans, JT, Landry
SF/PF - Gay, Outlaw, Derrick Williams, Acy
SG - Stauskas, McLemore
PG - Collison, McCallum Jr

Arguably a worse team than last season's ending roster. Easily a worse team than last season's opening day roster.

I say throw as much $ as possible to Okafor for an inside defensive presence and trade the exception and pieces for JSmooth... god, that's still a bad team... :facepalm

[Anti Hero]

why would a run and gun team like phx want a big slow immobile oaf like hibbert :biggums:
Just reading rumor mills out there.. I'm not sold on Hibbert but it seems to me that they're going to use either Bledsoe or Dragic as trade bait, the most likely being Dragic.

[Godzuki]

Just reading rumor mills out there.. I'm not sold on Hibbert but it seems to me that they're going to use either Bledsoe or Dragic as trade bait, the most likely being Dragic.


thats ridiculous. no way....not after last year. Dragic shoud be untouchable. definitely not for Hibbert. no way that can be accurate.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

qft. though his D ain't the best...


qft, too.

Looking at Kings roster now, you got...(I won't bother w/ rotations):

C/PF - Cousins, REvans, JT, Landry
SF/PF - Gay, Outlaw, Derrick Williams, Acy
SG - Stauskas, McLemore
PG - Collison, McCallum Jr

Arguably a worse team than last season's ending roster. Easily a worse team than last season's opening day roster.

I say throw as much $ as possible to Okafor for an inside defensive presence and trade the exception and pieces for JSmooth... god, that's still a bad team... :facepalm
Poor boogie, I just want to see him make an asg!

[JohnFreeman]

qft. though his D ain't the best...


qft, too.

Looking at Kings roster now, you got...(I won't bother w/ rotations):

C/PF - Cousins, REvans, JT, Landry
SF/PF - Gay, Outlaw, Derrick Williams, Acy
SG - Stauskas, McLemore
PG - Collison, McCallum Jr

Arguably a worse team than last season's ending roster. Easily a worse team than last season's opening day roster.

I say throw as much $ as possible to Okafor for an inside defensive presence and trade the exception and pieces for JSmooth... god, that's still a bad team... :facepalm
Yeah I feel terrible. I actually sort of wish Sacramento would trade Boogie, at least he could find a team which will build properly.

[Anti Hero]

thats ridiculous. no way....not after last year. Dragic shoud be untouchable. definitely not for Hibbert. no way that can be accurate.
I posted this in the Suns forum too.

Link (http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/31936/20140710/phoenix-suns-trade-rumors-goran-dragic-traded-to-sign-eric-bledsoe-greg-monroe-or-pau-gasol-in-free-agency.htm)

Could be bullshit, but also like I said.. they could be trying a KJ, Jkidd and Steve Nash 2.0 I'd still like to see them make some moves even if it means moving one of them. Though I don't want to see them make the wrong move just for the sake of making a move.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Yeah I feel terrible. I actually sort of wish Sacramento would trade Boogie, at least he could find a team which will build properly.
I've thought they should've traded Cousins for the past 2 years. The old GM allegedly tried before the Magoofs veto'd it.

His value was/is ridiculously high and any team that has him as the "leader" will never win a title, possibly never make the playoffs. I don't think he's toxic or anything. hell, I think his leadership is somewhat solid. He's just unreliable. Never sure if he'll get kicked out a game, suspended, etc. Going into the 2010 Draft, I was begging Kings to draft Monroe or Favors... I never liked Cousins mental state.

Hell, trade him to the Cavs for TT and Waiters. Then trade McLemore + JT + 1st rnd pick to Celts for Rondo + Green. Throw all your $$ at Okafor and Monroe. No idea if that'd work financially...plus I doubt Celts would take that. But a man can always dream!

[sfballa13]

I've thought they should've traded Cousins for the past 2 years. The old GM allegedly tried before the Magoofs veto'd it.

His value was/is ridiculously high and any team that has him as the "leader" will never win a title, possibly never make the playoffs. I don't think he's toxic or anything. hell, I think his leadership is somewhat solid. He's just unreliable. Never sure if he'll get kicked out a game, suspended, etc. Going into the 2010 Draft, I was begging Kings to draft Monroe or Favors... I never liked Cousins mental state.

Hell, trade him to the Cavs for TT and Waiters. Then trade McLemore + JT + 1st rnd pick to Celts for Rondo + Green. Throw all your $$ at Okafor and Monroe. No idea if that'd work financially...plus I doubt Celts would take that. But a man can always dream!

No way Kings trade Cousins to the Cavs. He would be better for them than Love would. Bron could get ALOT more out of Cousins than Kings would

Wiggins for Cousins/McLemore/Stauskus wont happen but Cavs should dangle Wiggins out and see what they can get

[kshutts1]

Love the deal for PHX, and as for Sac... well, at least they didn't lose IT for nothing.

I wanted the Bulls to sign IT to a 3/24m deal to backup/be insurance for Rose. Great young player.

Suns should definitely start Dragic and Bledsoe (who is not a PG, btw, he's just the size of one), and have IT be the 6th man. Don't know what's so hard to comprehend.

[ALBballer]

Terrible signing.

[kshutts1]

Terrible signing.
Third best signing of the offseason, behind Lebron and Dirk.

[ALBballer]

Just reading rumor mills out there.. I'm not sold on Hibbert but it seems to me that they're going to use either Bledsoe or Dragic as trade bait, the most likely being Dragic.

Great deal for Indy if true. Dragic on a team like the Pacers would be awesome to see.

[Godzuki]

Third best signing of the offseason, behind Lebron and Dirk.


Did Dirk leave the Mav's? :wtf:

[andremiller07]

qft. though his D ain't the best...


qft, too.

Looking at Kings roster now, you got...(I won't bother w/ rotations):

C/PF - Cousins, REvans, JT, Landry
SF/PF - Gay, Outlaw, Derrick Williams, Acy
SG - Stauskas, McLemore
PG - Collison, McCallum Jr

Arguably a worse team than last season's ending roster. Easily a worse team than last season's opening day roster.

I say throw as much $ as possible to Okafor for an inside defensive presence and trade the exception and pieces for JSmooth... god, that's still a bad team... :facepalm
Replace Thomas with Collison we are still garbage, the problem was not letting Thomas go but re-signing Gay which raped the cap, and not yet trying to trade for a shot blocker like Sanders.

Honestly keeping Thomas wins us at most 2-3 more games than we would with that squad. Collison as a starter in his career is well above 500. I don't think the team is worse but we are for sure not better.

Got to package Mclemore/Dwill/whenver else we have that valuable to get some pieces. Aside from the Williams for LRMAM every other trade PDA has made has been trash.

We have to many average players signed to quality deals and keeping Thomas would have added another one tbh.

[PejaNowitzki]

Looks like the Suns signed Thomas to be their 6th man for the foreseeable future.

[Meticode]

They should be keeping Bledsoe and Dragic. Should've went after someone like Jordan Hill or something.

[livingby3's]

Dragic Bledsoe Thomas, one of them will be gone.

But fk that if they move Dragic, he was the leader of the team last season and played his ass off even more when his running mate was out. Dragic had shown he wants to play in Phx. Also a Thomas Bledsoe backcourt would be too small. No matter how u try to figure Thomas is too small for any two PGs tandem.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the Suns sign IT up as a six man. They did sign Thomas for a good price. I'll just wait and see how the Suns gonna work this around

[highwhey]

Dragic Bledsoe Thomas, one of them will be gone.

But fk that if they move Dragic, he was the leader of the team last season and played his ass off even more when his running mate was out. Dragic had shown he wants to play in Phx. Also a Thomas Bledsoe backcourt would be too small. No matter how u try to figure Thomas is too small for any two PGs tandem.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the Suns sign IT up as a six man. They did sign Thomas for a good price. I'll just wait and see how the Suns gonna work this around
I feel the same way. I don't want dragic traded. Bledsoe and Thomas are undersized as it is, and tbh dragic seems like the one with the most loyalty and heart.

[wagexslave]

I feel the same way. I don't want dragic traded. Bledsoe and Thomas are undersized as it is, and tbh dragic seems like the one with the most loyalty and heart.
QFT. If anyone gets traded, it should be Thomas or Bledsoe.

[bdreason]

With the way the Suns play, they can play either Dragic or Bledsoe at the SG spot. Of course, they're not gonna win a title playing that way... but they won quite a few games in the Western Conference last year running teams off the court.

[chips93]

With the way the Suns play, they can play either Dragic or Bledsoe at the SG spot. Of course, they're not gonna win a title playing that way... but they won quite a few games in the Western Conference last year running teams off the court.

just to get all 3 guys 36 minutes on average, they would need to have one of the 3 of them at shooting guard for the entire game

i dont think you can give up that big a size disadvantage all game, every game for a season

[OmniStrife]

People forget that the suns run a lineup of:
PG1
PG2
SF
PF
CT

So having 3 or even 4 good PGs is not that bad.
Plus that's an AMAZING price for IT who's WAAAY underrated and he seems to be thrilled to play in PHX.

[kshutts1]

Replace Thomas with Collison we are still garbage, the problem was not letting Thomas go but re-signing Gay which raped the cap, and not yet trying to trade for a shot blocker like Sanders.

Honestly keeping Thomas wins us at most 2-3 more games than we would with that squad. Collison as a starter in his career is well above 500. I don't think the team is worse but we are for sure not better.

Got to package Mclemore/Dwill/whenver else we have that valuable to get some pieces. Aside from the Williams for LRMAM every other trade PDA has made has been trash.

We have to many average players signed to quality deals and keeping Thomas would have added another one tbh.

Gay was a player-option. Not the Kings decision. Should try to dump him to Lakers for Nash or something, lol.

[Xover]

I notice a lot of people here and on other sites confused about the idea of a 3 point guard line-up. You've already acknowledged how absurd that idea sounds so why not pay more attention to what your thinking. A 3 point guard line-up are you crazy!.. When Dragic is resting, Thomas is in. When Bledsoe is resting, Thomas is in. Wow that was hard.

[livingby3's]

Dragic and Bledsoe will be logging heavy minutes if we keep both. So Thomas can take the backup point minutes. How about Green, assuming he spend some time at forward like last season, we still need PT to develop Goodwin. And Green will not be happy with his PT. Tucker will log majority of his minutes at SF, due to his D and hustle. Marcus spend time at SF as well. Thomas is too good for Ish Smith type of minutes.

Someone got to go. We are too deep at the point, but very thin at the 4 and 5. If point guards are our assets, we should move one to strengthen the front court

[Walker]

Not sure why some people are freaking out?
Dragic and Bledsoe are very capable of playing off the ball and guarding 2s.. Bledsoe may be 6'1" but he has a 6'7.5" wingspan keep in mind.
Vast majority of the backcourt minutes go to Dragic, Bledsoe and Thomas while Ennis and Goodwin develop.
Green and Tucker play exclusively at the 3, Goodwin can even log minutes at the 3 being 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan.
Morris twins now take the lions share at the 4, plus they still have plenty left over to sign another big so as to not have to play Len much.

Despite the grand plans it's clear none of the bigger name FAs were coming, what else do you lot expect Phoenix to have spent their money on?

[DMAVS41]

Not sure why some people are freaking out?
Dragic and Bledsoe are very capable of playing off the ball and guarding 2s.. Bledsoe may be 6'1" but he has a 6'7.5" wingspan keep in mind.
Vast majority of the backcourt minutes go to Dragic, Bledsoe and Thomas while Ennis and Goodwin develop.
Green and Tucker play exclusively at the 3, Goodwin can even log minutes at the 3 being 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan.
Morris twins now take the lions share at the 4, plus they still have plenty left over to sign another big so as to not have to play Len much.

Despite the grand plans it's clear none of the bigger name FAs were coming, what else do you lot expect Phoenix to have spent their money on?

A team that plays like the Suns...this is a great signing. Last year Barbosa played 18 minutes a game when he was on the team and Ish Smith played 14 minutes.

There is no reason why Thomas can't play 25 or so minutes out there. What is the latest trend in the NBA? Well, it should be the realization that trying to keep even young players minutes as low as possible is really important to keeping teams healthy and fresh.

Thomas helps so much for this. It's just yet another really good player that fits perfectly for the system...that gives them depth in case of injury or fatigue and can cause nightmare matchups for other teams.

Did anyone watch the Spurs? If you don't have multiple superstar players...the best way to try and win is to build a true 10 or 11 deep roster. Thomas at less than 7 million a year is a great value and adds a lot of real depth to that team.

[MUGEN]

wtf why?

[livingby3's]

A team that plays like the Suns...this is a great signing. Last year Barbosa played 18 minutes a game when he was on the team and Ish Smith played 14 minutes.

There is no reason why Thomas can't play 25 or so minutes out there.


Weren't those minutes due to Bledsoe being out for about half a season?

Also Bledsoe, more often than not doesn't guard SGs, Dragic is that defender for the opposing 2 when both are playing. Now IMO u don't play Thomas and Bledsoe together, they are 5'9 and 6'1. Rising star SGs like Derozan, Thompson, Hayward are 6'7, then you have non-lengthy but strong SGs like Waiters and Eric Gordon.

If Thomas really were to log 25 mpg, it will be all at PG. There will be potentially a quarter where we are to play with an undersized backcourt of Thomas and Bledsoe.

Again, I might be wrong. Maybe it's just me that doesn't like the fact that we have such a undersized backcourt.

[DMAVS41]

Weren't those minutes due to Bledsoe being out for about half a season?

Also Bledsoe, more often than not doesn't guard SGs, Dragic is that defender for the opposing 2 when both are playing. Now IMO u don't play Thomas and Bledsoe together, they are 5'9 and 6'1. Rising star SGs like Derozan, Thompson, Hayward are 6'7, then you have non-lengthy but strong SGs like Waiters and Eric Gordon.

If Thomas really were to log 25 mpg, it will be all at PG. There will be potentially a quarter where we are to play with an undersized backcourt of Thomas and Bledsoe.

Again, I might be wrong. Maybe it's just me that doesn't like the fact that we have such a undersized backcourt.


Yes, that is why I talked about injuries.

I'm also not positive you can't play Bledsoe and Thomas together. It's not ideal, but it will depend on the matchups.

Bledsoe is a beast on defense and he can definitely guard shooting guards if need be.

Put it this way. I just watched the Mavs play Calderon and Ellis together a lot last year. Calderon is way worse defensively than anyone of those 3 on the Suns....like way worse. Bledsoe is probably 3 times the defender Ellis is as well...

We nearly won 50 games with that and we didn't have solid wing defense/play or good big defense either. We weren't good defensively, but we also weren't the worst team in the league either.

[KungFuJoe]

Defense is more a team minded thing than any particular individual anyways.

[wally_world]

Dragic 18 / Thomas 30
Bledsoe 32 / Dragic 16
Tucker 17 / Green 28 / Bledsoe 3
Markieff 25 / Marcus 15 / Tucker 8
Plumlee 24 / Len 16 / Markieff 8

if they stick to a 9 man rotation this would work. But I dont think it's sustainable with Warren, Goodwin, Ennis, Ish all being capable of logging rotation minutes. I think Green or Len will be moved with one or two of the young guys.

[Godzuki]

Weren't those minutes due to Bledsoe being out for about half a season?

Also Bledsoe, more often than not doesn't guard SGs, Dragic is that defender for the opposing 2 when both are playing. Now IMO u don't play Thomas and Bledsoe together, they are 5'9 and 6'1. Rising star SGs like Derozan, Thompson, Hayward are 6'7, then you have non-lengthy but strong SGs like Waiters and Eric Gordon.

If Thomas really were to log 25 mpg, it will be all at PG. There will be potentially a quarter where we are to play with an undersized backcourt of Thomas and Bledsoe.

Again, I might be wrong. Maybe it's just me that doesn't like the fact that we have such a undersized backcourt.


bledsoe does guard 2's, Dragic can too if its needed. just IT can't

and i think IT played a lot of 6th man in Sac when they benched him anyways

they can all get at least 30 a game...


i hope they don't trade one of those 3.