What would it do for Lebrons legacy if the Heat make it to the finals?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

If they made it next season w/o him:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[outbreak]

I'd be more amazed at the pigs flying

[tmacattack33]

Same thing as Jordan's when Chicago was still a contender during his base hiatus.

[Bernkastel]

Not enough context to answer this question.

So I'll say that ISH will tear him apart because it'd happen either way.

[EnoughSaid]

You'd have a loooooot of "LeBron had SOO MUCH HELP!" "Most stacked team of all time!" threads

In all reality it comes down to Wade's health. A healthy and motivated Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh with role players take this team to the Finals.

[jrong]

From your lips to God's ears.

See you in the ECFs, LeBron.

[Mass Debator]

If Wade wins another and gets FMVP, omg...:eek:

4 rings...2 without Lebron
Lebron 2 rings...0 without Wade

Biggest legacy boost ever for a player after 1 year. Top 15?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Same thing as Jordan's when Chicago was still a contender during his base hiatus.

I don't recall those Bulls playing in the Finals that year.

[Roundball_Rock]

I don't recall those Bulls playing in the Finals that year.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/bulls/pippen_foul_050518.jpg

It would lend credence to the theory that the Heat were stacked, just as the 94' Bulls did--but it won't significantly alter LeBron's legacy just as no one holds the Bulls replacing MJ with a D-leaguer and remaining elite against him. If the Heat win 40-45 games that enhances LeBron, though, because it shatters the "stacked" theory that LeBron critics use to diminish his Miami achievements.

[tmacattack33]

You'd have a loooooot of "LeBron had SOO MUCH HELP!" "Most stacked team of all time!" threads

In all reality it comes down to Wade's health. A healthy and motivated Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh with role players take this team to the Finals.

Damn sorry man but there comes a point in time where you have to say that it is age and not health.

Or there comes a point in time where you realize your player is so old that he will never be able to stay healthy any more playing the style of bball he does.

And it seems that this is the case with Wade.

[OnFire]

Damn sorry man but there comes a point in time where you have to say that it is age and not health.

Or there comes a point in time where you realize your player is so old that he will never be able to stay healthy any more playing the style of bball he does.

And it seems that this is the case with Wade.

I don't think Wade can be the #1 option on a finals team anymore..He can be at times though. I do think Bosh can be. I think Bosh is underrated.

[ThePhantomCreep]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/bulls/pippen_foul_050518.jpg

It would lend credence to the theory that the Heat were stacked, just as the 94' Bulls did--but it won't significantly alter LeBron's legacy just as no one holds the Bulls replacing MJ with a D-leaguer and remaining elite against him. If the Heat win 40-45 games that enhances LeBron, though, because it shatters the "stacked" theory that LeBron critics use to diminish his Miami achievements.

Always bitching about that call :lol . The Bulls were fortunate not to be down 3-0 in that series. The Knicks were clearly superior, and the Bulls were not elite.

The Heat getting to the Finals would be a far bigger deal than what the 1994 Bulls accomplished.

[Roundball_Rock]

Always bitching about that call :lol . The Bulls were fortunate not to be down 3-0 in that series. The Knicks were clearly superior, and the Bulls were not elite.

The Bulls were also unfortunate not to be up 3-0 in that series. They blew double digit fourth quarter leads in New York in the first two games. The Knicks were clearly superior? 57 wins versus 55. 4-3 series, with three Knicks wins coming by 1*, 4, and 5. Chicago actually outscored New York in the series.

Yeah, the Heat getting to the Finals would be since the Bulls didn't get there due to Hollins. Still, it wouldn't have much of an impact on LeBron's legacy just as MJ being on a stacked team does not affect him.

[Legends66NBA7]

From your lips to God's ears.

See you in the ECFs, LeBron.

I'm going to go the other way and say neither team will make it that far.

[jrong]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/bulls/pippen_foul_050518.jpg

It would lend credence to the theory that the Heat were stacked, just as the 94' Bulls did--but it won't significantly alter LeBron's legacy just as no one holds the Bulls replacing MJ with a D-leaguer and remaining elite against him. If the Heat win 40-45 games that enhances LeBron, though, because it shatters the "stacked" theory that LeBron critics use to diminish his Miami achievements.

How do you figure? The Heat only won 54 last year. So LeBron's legacy would be enhanced because they won 10 games less next year?

LeBron's 2009 and 2010 Cavs teams won more games than all but one of the big 3 era Heat teams.

It's a meaningless criterion.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The Bulls were also unfortunate not to be up 3-0 in that series. They blew double digit fourth quarter leads in New York in the first two games. The Knicks were clearly superior? 57 wins versus 55. 4-3 series, with three Knicks wins coming by 1*, 4, and 5. Chicago actually outscored New York in the series.

That series is 3-0 if not for the Toni Kukoc buzzer beater + the Knicks never trailed in that series. They were obviously better. What the Bulls accomplished was no special than what the 2008 Cavs managed vs the Celtics. Christ, the 1994 Hawks won 56 games and reached the second round and they're completely erased from history.

[Kukoc]

Nothing

What has it to do with LeBron?

There will be more fair in the Eastern Conference next year.
This year it was only Indiana and Miami

Next year there will be:

Miami
Chicago
Cleveland
Indiana

[Roundball_Rock]

How do you figure? The Heat only won 54 last year. So LeBron's legacy would be enhanced because they won 10 games less next year?.

The one knock on his achievements in Miami has been the "collusion" and "stacked" angle. If the team becomes a 0.500 team without him that theory is discredited.


That series is 3-0 if not for the Toni Kukoc buzzer beater + the Knicks never trailed in that series. They were obviously better.

They were one phantom foul from trailing 3-2. You are cherry picking facts between two teams that were evenly matched by every metric. The Bulls narrowly lost the first two games (4 and 5 points) and easily could have been up 3-0, just as easily as they could have been down 3-0. The Bulls actually outscored the Knicks--something that is unusual if one team is "clearly superior." Chicago led in the fourth quarter in 6 of the 7 games. Three of the NY wins, including the illegitimate won, came by a combined 10 points. Even Game 7 was a 4 point game entering the final quarter. Thais is a track record of dominance by NY of CHI?


the 1994 Hawks won 56 games and reached the second round and they're completely erased from history.

They lost to a 47 win team, did not have the playoff pedigree and lacked a superstar so weren't serious contenders like the Bulls or Knicks.

[Marchesk]

Will never happen.