Lebron will never catch Kobe and Jordan in ring count.

[BigBoss]

Fact.

He turns 30 this year and took a step backwards by going to Cleveland.

[red1]

yeah most likely not

[tmacattack33]

He's already matched Kobe in rings as the leader and has a chance to get another one.

And this is being generous to Kobe, as Gasol was better in the 2010 Finals.

U mad?

[Mr. Incredible]

All he wants is one in Cleveland apparently.

[KBaller33]

He won't. I don't think he cares anymore. He just wants to win one for Cleveland. If he did his resume is still impressive.

[1~Gibson~1]

I think he finishes with 4 or 5.

[J Shuttlesworth]

1 in Cleveland, and he's well past Kobe.

[Inferno]

Probably not, but even 3 Rings + 3 FMVPS evens him with Kobe IMO

[SouBeachTalents]

Horry the GOAT :bowdown: :bowdown:

[navy]

Truth.

Still might pass Kobe in FMVPs though.

[Roundball_Rock]

Yeah, this move sets him back--and does so during his peak. He presumably will start to decline in 2-3 years as the other Cavs start to hit their groove. Still, this move makes him a heavy favorite to win the MVP next year. The story, combined with him being the best player in the league and the improvement from 33 wins make the MVP his to lose unless someone else has an amazing season. That would give him 5 MVP's at age 30--which would tie him with MJ and Russell and put him just 1 behind KAJ's record of 6. 4-5 rings with 6-7 MVP's is a reasonable projection for him right now. If he achieves that, he has a case for GOAT.

[knicksman]

He's already matched Kobe in rings as the leader and has a chance to get another one.

And this is being generous to Kobe, as Gasol was better in the 2010 Finals.

U mad?

nah having wade+bosh is better than having shaq

[Inferno]

Yeah, this move sets him back--and does so during his peak. He presumably will start to decline in 2-3 years as the other Cavs start to hit their groove. Still, this move makes him a heavy favorite to win the MVP next year. The story, combined with him being the best player in the league and the improvement from 33 wins make the MVP his to lose unless someone else has an amazing season. That would give him 5 MVP's at age 30--which would tie him with MJ and Russell and put him just 1 behind KAJ's record of 6. 4-5 rings with 6-7 MVP's is a reasonable projection for him right now. If he achieves that, he has a case for GOAT.

Eh, I'd say 4 rings, 3-4 FMVP's, 5 MVP's is where he'll finish

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah, this move sets him back--and does so during his peak. He presumably will start to decline in 2-3 years as the other Cavs start to hit their groove. Still, this move makes him a heavy favorite to win the MVP next year. The story, combined with him being the best player in the league and the improvement from 33 wins make the MVP his to lose unless someone else has an amazing season. That would give him 5 MVP's at age 30--which would tie him with MJ and Russell and put him just 1 behind KAJ's record of 6. 4-5 rings with 6-7 MVP's is a reasonable projection for him right now. If he achieves that, he has a case for GOAT.

Wow, never thought I'd hear that from a Bulls fan. No bias from you :cheers:

[SouBeachTalents]

nah having wade+bosh is better than having shaq

Not sure if serious

[Nowitness]

But Colby will never catch Horry.

Still, LeBron has won more as the best player (2) than Kobe (1).

[dubeta]

kobe is irrelevant to this discussion, its like hating on lebron for not matching horry's ring count

[LBJ4MVP23]

MAybe he can wait for a top 10 center to be drafted and get carried to 3 rings. Then he would be tied with kobe.

[Inferno]

kobe is irrelevant to this discussion, its like hating on lebron for not matching horry's ring count

No, Kobe was FMVP for two rings and clear second option for the three other ones

[ArbitraryWater]

Probably not, but even 3 Rings + 3 FMVPS evens him with Kobe IMO

evens him in what?

All time ranking? No shit... he's by Kobe already.

[knicksman]

Not sure if serious
2 is better than 1.

[dubeta]

what stops lebron from riding on the bench for rings in his late 30's being carried by prime kyrie and wiggins?

he could end up with 4 FMVP's and 6-7 rings

[SouBeachTalents]

2 is better than 1.

So are Parker/Ginobili & Dumars/Laimbeer > Shaq as well?

[knicksman]

if wilt end up with only 1 ring as the man. Lebron will have 0. Ringchasers rings dont count

[J Shuttlesworth]

2 is better than 1.
What if that one guy outscores and out-rebounds those 2 guys combined in the playoffs?

[knicksman]

So are Parker/Ginobili & Dumars/Laimbeer > Shaq as well?

is 1 of them even better than bosh?

[ZHAKIDD532]

If he spends 8 years in Cleveland, you can't see a scenario in which he wins three. I sure can.

Imagine Wiggins turns out to be what everyone thinks he is. Even as LeBron ages, he's going to have the chance to pick up rings with that guy.

[knicksman]

What if that one guy outscores and out-rebounds those 2 guys combined in the playoffs?

well that means youre playing selfish ball. Thats why they were never successful. Boston trio is not as talented as heat trio but they were dominant and you know why, they all play unselfishly.

[Roundball_Rock]

Eh, I'd say 4 rings, 3-4 FMVP's, 5 MVP's is where he'll finish

I think he very likely will win the MVP next year. That would have him at 5 at age 30 and he likely would win 1 or 2 more. If he does not win next year then I see him at 5-6 MVP's since players are much less likely to win MVP's after age 30 (MJ, KAJ, Malone did it, though).


Wow, never thought I'd hear that from a Bulls fan. No bias from you

Well, I am not a MJ lover but that resume speaks for itself. A player with 4-5 rings and 6-7 MVP's automatically becomes a GOAT candidate and only biased people will claim that resume would have no case as GOAT. That would add LeBron to MJ, KAJ, Wilt, Russell in the strong GOAT candidate group.


what stops lebron from riding on the bench for rings in his late 30's being carried by prime kyrie and wiggins?

That is a great point. LeBron could be winning rings into his late 30's like KAJ and Duncan. He could even finish with not 1, not 2, not 3... :lol

[guy]

Fact? If they get Love and/or Wiggins turns into what he's expected to be, which is now even more likely and most likely sooner under Lebron's wing, and everyone is healthy then Lebron clearly has enough help to do it, especially if the East stays relatively weak. Maybe it's not likely just cause winning that many rings is very difficult regardless of circumstance but it's not fact.

[LA Lakers]

Someone mentioned Kareem and Lebron in MVP's. Only difference is Kareem won MVP his rookie year for the Bucks and brought them a title that same year and won an MVP with the lakers almost 20 years later and brought them a title. But I do think this move by Lebron is gonna go down on an all time great, feel good sports story. I am happy for him and especially Cavs fans. Cleveland is loyal to their teams. Even the Browns. Miami never deserved him.