BREAKING: Gasol to the Bulls

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Pau Gasol, Chicago working to complete an agreement, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

per Woj.

Not sure how much better this makes the Bulls tho.

[keep-itreal]

why not the Spurs:banghead: :banghead:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wow should have traded him when we had the chance

[KyleKong]

Great replacement for Boozer IMO

[sbw19]

Good for him and the Bulls. Will miss him being a Laker, did us a lot of good.

[ProfessorMurder]

They keeping Taj and Noah though? And Mirotic?

[miggyme1]

per Woj.

Not sure how much better this makes the Bulls tho.


the bulls frontline is softer now..but very very very very skilled..two great passing big men....if rose can stay healthy the sky is the limit...idk about championship but i can see nba finals best case scenario...worst case eastern semis

[Nets fan 93]

I don't get it. Didn't they cut boozer because of his defense? Gasol is know for his offense not defense. He put up nice stats 17/9 I think? But for a lottery team as the main option...idk can someone help me understand this a little better?

[davehos]

per Woj.

Not sure how much better this makes the Bulls tho.


.... at 1:00 AM Chicago time?

A broken clock is correct twice a day. He may very well end up in Chicago but 2 AM deals ain't happening bro.

[miggyme1]

I don't get it. Didn't they cut boozer because of his defense? Gasol is know for his offense not defense. He put up nice stats 17/9 I think? But for a lottery team as the main option...idk can someone help me understand this a little better?


nah they cut boozer cuz he wasnt worth his contract..he wasnt worth his contract since day one...very overpaid..his best days were in utah because of jerry sloans system.now u get a cheaper player with the same capabilities in gasol.

[WeGetRing2012]

Can the Bulls afford Melo and Gasol?

[Fawker]

I know he just wanted to compete but he is not the right peice there but only the spurs.

[WeGetRing2012]

Also Pau is pretty much a Center these days. I'm curious to see the spacing with him and Noah.

[BlazerRed]

Yay not the Spurs :applause:

[Meticode]

Hmmm...I was rooting for Spurs or Thunder on this. He'll have a more limited roll with them having Noah and Gibson up front.

[Johnny Jones]

FINALLY A GOOD PLAYER LEAVING FOR THE EAST :applause: :applause: :applause: :bowdown:

[TheMan]

the bulls frontline is softer now..but very very very very skilled..two great passing big men....if rose can stay healthy the sky is the limit...idk about championship but i can see nba finals best case scenario...worst case eastern semis
I think if we can add Stephenson and Rose stays healthy, Bulls are in the thick of it.

PG Rose/Augustine
SG Stephenson/Hinrich
SF Butler/McDermott
PF Pau/Taj/Mirotic
C Noah/Pau

That team has creators, shooters, defense

[jrong]

Ok, didn't see it coming, but by all means Bulls, win the Central Division.

[Spaulding]

Well this was unexpected... thought it was Knicks or Spurs.

Does this mean Melo resigns with Knicks? You can argue both ways.

[The-Legend-24]

Everybody wants to go east. :oldlol:

Pvssies

[Loneshot]

It doesn't matter who the Bulls get now, they are already infinitely better than when they had Boozer starting. Dude is garbage all around and the Bulls have been winning in spite of him. As a Lakers/Bulls fan i'm so relieved to be free of Boozer.

[Angel Face]

Damn nice :applause:

:pimp:

[blacknapalm]

curve ball. thank you, pau. there's no S&T w/ boozer right? dear god, please say no

[GimmeThat]

If his stat goes down, it will be because Thibs doesn't know how to utilize Gasol. Easily the first if not second option on that team. Maybe you can argue for 3rd if Rose comes back at full strength and they sign Stephenson.

[Imtheman]

Solo Melo to bulls as well?

[Natureland]

:(

[Warfan]

Bulls will make the finals next year :applause: :applause:

[AintNoSunshine]

The league dodged a bullet with him not going to either Spurs or Thunders...

[WeGetRing2012]

What's going on? Why no more news

[SamuraiSWISH]

So does this mean we can't get Melo?

[protox]

So does this mean we can't get Melo?

I'd say it's more likely you'll get Melo. I'm sure, someone will be taking on Boozer and other assets the Bulls have to get Melo the max.

[Cactus-Sack]

Why do people act like he was ever considering the Spurs? MLE to be the 4th big? Duncan, Diaw, Splitter>>>

[Angel Face]

Can't wait for the season. Rose coming back, Bulls got Gasol who is a massive upgrade from Boozer. Miami becomes weaker due to Lebron leaving, Cavs not that strong yet, the only threat in the East is the Pacers...

The Bulls road to 2015 NBA Finals has become wider. 2015 NBA Finals...sounds good.

:pimp:

[bluechox2]

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[Angel Face]

http://global3.memecdn.com/oh-derrick-rose_o_1423065.jpg

:no:

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'd say it's more likely you'll get Melo. I'm sure, someone will be taking on Boozer and other assets the Bulls have to get Melo the max.
Noah / Gasol / Melo / Butler / D. Rose?

I'm down.

Bring on the Cavs doe.

:pimp:

[KingPush]

Can't wait for the season. Rose coming back, Bulls got Gasol who is a massive upgrade from Boozer. Miami becomes weaker due to Lebron leaving, Cavs not that strong yet, the only threat in the East is the Pacers...

The Bulls road to 2015 NBA Finals has become wider. 2015 NBA Finals...sounds good.

:pimp:
Kyrie will own d rose tho. Not to mention Cavs also have the best player in the league.

[BigTicket]

So does this mean we can't get Melo?

Yes, it does.

You don't have enough cap space for both Gasol and Melo.

[FlawlessVictory]

^^ Wrong.

It will take some weird combination of sign and return trades and use of exceptions but it's definitely possible.

This move by the Bulls effectively says to Melo 'come to the Bulls and compete hard with the Cavs/LeBron over the next few years. Stay with the Knicks for the money if you want, but forget about seriously competing if you do.'

[BigTicket]

^^ Wrong.

It will take some weird combination of sign and return trades and use of exceptions but it's definitely possible.

This move by the Bulls effectively says to Melo 'come to the Bulls and compete hard with the Cavs/LeBron over the next few years. Stay with the Knicks for the money if you want, but forget about seriously competing if you do.'

You can get Gasol either by signing him after using the amnesty clause on Boozer, or in a sign and trade with the Lakers. Either way I don't see how you can still get Melo ? No cap space, and no tradable assets ?

[poido123]

Surely that isn't the only move, but merely a preemptive move to a bigger one. Gasol is still a solid addition

Go get Stevenson if we can't get Melo.

[Trentknicks]

Alright Bulls fans, play GM: You're trying to get Melo in a S&T, what do you give and offer assuming the Gasol deal is signed off.

[ImKobe]

This will be interesting. Pau has been playing 0 defense for the past 2 seasons under MDA and now goes to a team with a coach that breathes defense and makes everyone work hard on that end? I wonder if he'll have the legs for it.

[niko]

So let me get this. Bulls no longer can get Melo for even the crappy low bid you were offering . But the Knicks, although the Bulls have zero leverage will work with the Bulls to take your excess players and let you get Melo. Even though we want him, you have no leverage and he's not pushing it?

QFT. This is your big pickup. Not bad by any means but stop trying to act like the Knicks job is to make you better.

[poido123]

Alright Bulls fans, play GM: You're trying to get Melo in a S&T, what do you give and offer assuming the Gasol deal is signed off.

Not sure we will get him to be honest. 129 million 5 years is too good to turn down imo

[klee]

Kyrie will own d rose tho. Not to mention Cavs also have the best player in the league.

Lol. Come on. Were you, like, not alive for the 2010-2011 season? As many people that argued about his MVP, there were even more that were proponents of it at the time--you can't deny that this guy was transcendent of just being a point guard and was in almost every discussion of best player in the world.

Kyrie hasn't even scratched to surface of getting there. And if you're trying to implicate he won't return as his former self, that's likely true, but it's a stretch to think he'll be worse than Kyrie, let alone "Kyrie will own d rose".

[niko]

Alright Bulls fans, play GM: You're trying to get Melo in a S&T, what do you give and offer assuming the Gasol deal is signed off.
Dude, it's over. Bulls don't want to pay Melo and knicks are not willing to do a sign and trade.

[poido123]

So let me get this. Bulls no longer can get Melo for even the crappy low bid you were offering . But the Knicks, although the Bulls have zero leverage will work with the Bulls to take your excess players and let you get Melo. Even though we want him, you have no leverage and he's not pushing it?

QFT. This is your big pickup. Not bad by any means but stop trying to act like the Knicks job is to make you better.


A lot of you knick fans are getting really insecure about this.

Chances are you will keep him, but at a very high cost.

[Trentknicks]

Dude, it's over. Bulls don't want to pay Melo and knicks are not willing to do a sign and trade.
It would be a ****ing moronic move not too :facepalm

They have plenty of good assets to include in a rebuild as opposed to another 5 years of guaranteed mediocrity with a max contract Melo.

[FlawlessVictory]

Dude, it's over. Bulls don't want to pay Melo and knicks are not willing to do a sign and trade.
Jesus Niko you are delusional. You may in fact be proved right that Melo stays with the Knicks but you are 100% wrong that it's impossible for the Bulls.

They have loads of assets that would interest the Knicks: expiring contracts, non guaranteed contents, Kings pick, there own future firsts, McDermott, Butler, Mirotic, Gibson etc.

Gun to my head I think he goes back to the Knicks but I'd still give the Bulls about a 25% - 30% chance to pull it off.

[NZStreetBaller]

Pau gasol without Kobe????? oh man now the buls are never gonna win a playoff series:facepalm

[niko]

Jesus Niko you are delusional. You may in fact be proved right that Melo stays with the Knicks but you are 100% wrong that it's impossible for the Bulls.

They have loads of assets that would interest the Knicks: expiring contracts, non guaranteed contents, Kings pick, there own future firsts, McDermott, Butler, Mirotic, Gibson etc.

Gun to my head I think he goes back to the Knicks but I'd still give the Bulls about a 25% - 30% chance to pull it off.
Once the Gasol move happens if nothing else happens (a surprise contender, etc) the Bulls literally have no leverage. Not a little, None.

And if you've been paying attention, the bulls aren't offering the good young assets.

If the bulls aren't leaving flexibility to sign Melo, not clearing cap space, declaring people like Gibson off limits, maybe Melo isn't a move that's all that important.

[niko]

A lot of you knick fans are getting really insecure about this.

Chances are you will keep him, but at a very high cost.
Speaking the truth is not being insecure. I just don't think the Bulls want Melo unless it's cost effective and he wants more than that. I'm not infallible but that's what I see.

[FlawlessVictory]

Once the Gasol move happens if nothing else happens (a surprise contender, etc) the Bulls literally have no leverage. Not a little, None.

And if you've been paying attention, the bulls aren't offering the good young assets.

If the bulls aren't leaving flexibility to sign Melo, not clearing cap space, declaring people like Gibson off limits, maybe Melo isn't a move that's all that important.
Why have they no leverage. We have no idea what the Bulls are offering. This is the most defining moment for them since MJ left. There is no way they get precious over the likes of McDermott and Mirotic if it means them missing out on Melo.

Follow the excellent Eric Pincus on twitter. It's possible for the Bulls to do sign and trades with both LA and the Knicks which would give both Melo and Gasol close to the salaries they are after. Again, I am not saying I think this will happen, just that it's a definite possibility.

[poido123]

Once the Gasol move happens if nothing else happens (a surprise contender, etc) the Bulls literally have no leverage. Not a little, None.

And if you've been paying attention, the bulls aren't offering the good young assets.

If the bulls aren't leaving flexibility to sign Melo, not clearing cap space, declaring people like Gibson off limits, maybe Melo isn't a move that's all that important.


Gibson is off Limits? That's news to me.

We can forget about getting Melo if we aren't willing to move on from gibson

[SpanishACB]

I think Gasol's only two options where the Bulls and the Spurs.

Gasol was always going to go to a team with a coach he looked up to, he's had too many bad experiences in this respect, and he probably blames his bad patch this latter years with the lakers on the coaching circustances.

It's no secret those are the two coaches Gasol respects the most in the NBA, Phil being retired.

And I would also bet my own money he would have chosen the Spurs, but I think he was not willing to take the pay cut required to play for Pop.

[niko]

Why have they no leverage. We have no idea what the Bulls are offering. This is the most defining moment for them since MJ left. There is no way they get precious over the likes of McDermott and Mirotic if it means them missing out on Melo.

Follow the excellent Eric Pincus on twitter. It's possible for the Bulls to do sign and trades with both LA and the Knicks which would give both Melo and Gasol close to the salaries they are after. Again, I am not saying I think this will happen, just that it's a definite possibility.
It's possible in the cap. There is no way the Knicks so it though. I don't think you get it, the math no longer works unless the Knicks make it work. the knicks. Not happening.

If someone was going to steal your gf, and it could only happen if you drive her to their house, would you? That's what you want the knicks to do.

[blacknapalm]

melo is most likely going back. home + more money. while this lessens bulls' chance at a championship, look at the other side....

who cares about melo? he'll be overpaid, never make it to the finals, is 30 years old, hasn't made conditioning his biggest offseason priority and doesn't shown all the signs of his game having longevity. sure, he'll be able to score but once his iso game starts to fade, he's going to really falter even in his strength. i'd like to see him move and not have the ball in his hands. you can also pretty much give up on defense at this point. if you're 30 and haven't figured it out, you won't ever unless you come across the right coach. that isn't in NY.

so ya, enjoy being a perennial playoff team that doesn't go anywhere. the definition of mediocrity.

[niko]

Gibson is off Limits? That's news to me.

We can forget about getting Melo if we aren't willing to move on from gibson
Melo was told early on no matter what Gibson would be on the team. The a bulls also told Mirotic they won't move him. The other assets aren't worth it.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Thank u Pau u dumb phuck:lol :lol :lol
OKC or LAC 2015 champs:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Thunderfan86]

Another failed attempt by OKC :facepalm

[FlawlessVictory]

It's possible in the cap. There is no way the Knicks so it though. I don't think you get it, the math no longer works unless the Knicks make it work. the knicks. Not happening.

If someone was going to steal your gf, and it could only happen if you drive her to their house, would you? That's what you want the knicks to do.

Pragmatism. You obviously do not understand that concept. Luckily for the Knicks, I'm sure Phil Jackson does.

[Trentknicks]

melo is most likely going back. home + more money. while this lessens bulls' chance at a championship, look at the other side....

who cares about melo? he'll be overpaid, never make it to the finals, is 30 years old, hasn't made conditioning his biggest offseason priority and doesn't shown all the signs of his game having longevity. sure, he'll be able to score but once his iso game starts to fade, he's going to really falter even in his strength. i'd like to see him move and not have the ball in his hands. you can also pretty much give up on defense at this point. if you're 30 and haven't figured it out, you won't ever unless you come across the right coach. that isn't in NY.

so ya, enjoy being a perennial playoff team that doesn't go anywhere. the definition of mediocrity.
I'm sorry but most of this was so ****ing moronic.

[niko]

Pragmatism. You obviously do not understand that concept. Luckily for the Knicks, I'm sure Phil Jackson does.
Giving up an asset you don't have to is not being pragmatic at all. It's the opposite.

Look, if you don't want to believe it go ahead but the Bulls look like they dropped out of Melo chase if Pau chase is true.

[blacknapalm]

I'm sorry but most of this was so ****ing moronic.

how so? his game is heavily iso dependent. never making it to the finals is my belief. if he does, bump this post. is he not 30? he's a good post player but he's reached his peak and his offensive game isn't evolving into late age productivity. you need to be able to move off the ball. so a 30 yo player that is heavily dependent on iso and post ups and plays crap defense will get paid the max. he'll be overpaid no matter what. he really deserves $15-18 million but the market will give him the max.

[scandisk_]

Hoping Pau mesh perfectly with the Bulls.

[Upgrayedd]

I'd rather have seen the Bulls get 'Melo and Gasol go to the Spurs.

[ImKobe]

Hoping Pau mesh perfectly with the Bulls.

He will be solid on offense, but his defense is worse than Boozer's.

[Trentknicks]

how so? his game is heavily iso dependent. never making it to the finals is my belief. if he does, bump this post. is he not 30? he's a good post player but he's reached his peak and his offensive game isn't evolving into late age productivity. you need to be able to move off the ball. so a 30 yo player that is heavily dependent on iso and post ups and plays crap defense will get paid the max. he'll be overpaid no matter what. he really deserves $15-18 million but the market will give him the max.
It's pretty damn obvious that you don't watch him at any reasonable length and just copy and paste the stuff that's on here.

1. Yes he's never made the finals, he ran into the eventual champions many times during the playoffs in Denver. He hasn't made the finals through the East either but how many teams other than the Heat have since the big 3 era?

2. He has had to ISO alot due to having no reasonable 2nd option last year in NY. Ask even the most biased Kobe or Durant stan and they will conceive that Melo has the most complete and diverse offensive arsenal in the league. He is an above average post defender (you'd know if you watched), and a passable perimeter defender, he's just compared to Lebron on that end of the floor.

3. Out of all the stars, Melo has one of, if not the best skillsets to age with. Competent shooter, bunch of post moves, can create his own shot. Seriously, he could move to the 4 full time and play at a high level to 35 on a good team without any dramas.

This is the problem with ISH, it's awfully easy to spot the poster who just pull shit out of their ass.

[poido123]

He will be solid on offense, but his defense is worse than Boozer's.


Probably wasn't committed to playing defense on a fast pace, going nowhere team.

But note taken :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Probably wasn't committed to playing defense on a fast pace, going nowhere team.

But note taken :oldlol:

Yeah, the pace certainly adds to his defensive woes, a slower pace will make him a more productive player on that end, but he'll still be slow on his feet and his help D will still be medicore at best. MDA ran him to the ground.

[FlawlessVictory]

Giving up an asset you don't have to is not being pragmatic at all. It's the opposite.

Look, if you don't want to believe it go ahead but the Bulls look like they dropped out of Melo chase if Pau chase is true.

Yet lots of people who understand the ins and out of the cap disagree with you.

Why are you assuming a sign and trade for Melo is the only way the Bulls can get him?. IF Melo says I want to come, the Bulls can amnesty Boozer and dump the necessary salary (attaching picks etc for incentive) to make him a good offer. They can then complete a sign and trade with the Lakers for Gasol AFTER clearing the space and signing Melo.

Just because Gasol agrees to join the Bulls today does not mean they have to sign him today. They can agree a number with him and then figure out the best moves they can make with the rest of the roster.

So the Knicks would not be giving up an asset they don't have to - they would be taking the pragmatic approach and getting some assets back for a player who has decided to leave.

Continue to bury your head in the sand though.

[poido123]

Yeah, the pace certainly adds to his defensive woes, a slower pace will make him a more productive player on that end, but he'll still be slow on his feet and his help D will still be medicore at best. MDA ran him to the ground.


He won't Fck up defensive sets like boozer does constantly. I'll take Gasol poor defense over boozers absent one.

In saying that, Gasol might be used in a sign and trade for Melo. Maybe just the first of the dominoes...

[SpanishACB]

People say Gasol will give 0 defense.

Are they basing this off last season?

What about the finals vs magic year where he was the best defender in the playoffs?

People assumed that next season he'd be a defensive beast? well he wasn't...

I'm pretty sure Gasol's defensive impact will greatly improve under Bulls coaching staff, they would be dumb to sign him if they didn't think so.

A motivated Gasol can give you top notch defense on IQ alone, even if not for 40 minutes. He will still be dunked on, but who cares.

[blacknapalm]

It's pretty damn obvious that you don't watch him at any reasonable length and just copy and paste the stuff that's on here.

1. Yes he's never made the finals, he ran into the eventual champions many times during the playoffs in Denver. He hasn't made the finals through the East either but how many teams other than the Heat have since the big 3 era?

2. He has had to ISO alot due to having no reasonable 2nd option last year in NY. Ask even the most biased Kobe or Durant stan and they will conceive that Melo has the most complete and diverse offensive arsenal in the league. He is an above average post defender (you'd know if you watched), and a passable perimeter defender, he's just compared to Lebron on that end of the floor.

3. Out of all the stars, Melo has one of, if not the best skillsets to age with. Competent shooter, bunch of post moves, can create his own shot. Seriously, he could move to the 4 full time and play at a high level to 35 on a good team without any dramas.

This is the problem with ISH, it's awfully easy to spot the poster who just pull shit out of their ass.

1) he's been getting paid as a max player. i don't want a max player superstar in a big market not making the finals even in the east, especially to a team who he chose to go to. is he even a top 5 forward? top 3 SF?

2) he iso'd a lot in denver too. i never said anything about his post defense. he actually does do well there when he can contest in small spaces. it's the effort and closing out. you would know that he's terrible in PNR situations. yes, he can defend in certain situations but he can also be easily picked apart. make no mistake, playoff teams will go after that area.

3) i conceded he'll always be able to score. however, with his defense and inevitable deteriorating iso abilities, i don't see how you think he can take the next step.

just check out his win shares, but ya, i just copy and paste. he's good, but he'll be overpaid and never make the finals.

[Trentknicks]

1) he's been getting paid as a max player. i don't want a max player superstar in a big market not making the finals even in the east, especially to a team who he chose to go to. is he even a top 5 forward?

2) he iso'd a lot in denver too. i never said anything about his post defense. he actually does do well there when he can contest in small spaces. it's the effort and closing out. you would know that he's terrible in PNR situations. yes, he can defend in certain situations but he can also be easily picked apart.

3) i conceded he'll always be able to score. however, with his defense and inevitable deteriorating iso abilities, i don't see how you think he can take the next step.

just check out his win shares, but ya, i just copy and paste. he's good, but he'll be overpaid and never make the finals.
Dude. No one's saying he will take the next step, just that he's not going to regress as much as someone like Wade did with the loss of athleticism through age.

[qrich]

I'm curious on to what the contract is looking like and how much playing time was promised because if the Hawks offered $11,000,000, reportedly, the Bulls must have done something to really persuade him, as I don't see either side greatly ahead of the other when it comes to title aspirations.

Though a big rotation of Taj/Nikola;Joakim/Pau is damn solid, and if Rose can grow an ounce of cajones, teamed with Tommy boy at the helm, the Bulls should jump into the Eastern Contention tier, though, would still fall to the West's elite in 7, imo.

[niko]

Yet lots of people who understand the ins and out of the cap disagree with you.

Why are you assuming a sign and trade for Melo is the only way the Bulls can get him?. IF Melo says I want to come, the Bulls can amnesty Boozer and dump the necessary salary (attaching picks etc for incentive) to make him a good offer. They can then complete a sign and trade with the Lakers for Gasol AFTER clearing the space and signing Melo.

Just because Gasol agrees to join the Bulls today does not mean they have to sign him today. They can agree a number with him and then figure out the best moves they can make with the rest of the roster.

So the Knicks would not be giving up an asset they don't have to - they would be taking the pragmatic approach and getting some assets back for a player who has decided to leave.

Continue to bury your head in the sand though.
You confuse possible with happening. It's still possible. Find me a person who thinks it's actually going to happen though.

[blacknapalm]

Dude. No one's saying he will take the next step, just that he's not going to regress as much as someone like Wade did with the loss of athleticism through age.

well, i agree w/ that much. wade gained a jumper, then never made it consistent enough to work. dude was mean at blocking shots for a guard though :oldlol:

ok well, i'll just sum it up by saying i don't think melo is worth the max. i think this about a lot of players. market wise? sure, he's worth the max. i just think NY should go rebuilding mode right now. melo is the prissy girl at prom that teases you that has a cop for a dad. i'm done though, this isn't a melo thread.

[Trentknicks]

well, i agree w/ that much. wade gained a jumper, then never made it consistent enough to work. dude was mean at blocking shots for a guard though :oldlol:

ok well, i'll just sum it up by saying i don't think melo is worth the max. i think this about a lot of players. market wise? sure, he's worth the max. i just think NY should go rebuilding mode right now. melo is the prissy girl at prom that teases you that has a cop for a dad. i'm done though, this isn't a melo thread.
Trust me I'm in the same boat. Personally I hope Melo is S&T to the Bulls for Mirotic and a 1st. Or he could sign for cheap, but won't.

[FlawlessVictory]

You confuse possible with happening. It's still possible. Find me a person who thinks it's actually going to happen though.
So now your saying it is possible? A second ago you were convinced it wasn't.

Reading comprehension also not a skill of yours aparantely:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10294423&postcount=50

Where did I say it was happening.

[Flush]

Does that mean Lakers won't make playoffs again and they are going to tank another season?

I wonder how Kobe reacted to this sign.

[TiagoSimoes]

Meanwhile in okc, perkins is gettin 9/yr. Goddamit :rant

[navy]

Another failed attempt by OKC :facepalm
You offered him the MLE.....:oldlol:

[Shade8780]

Bulls looking good. Can they still get Melo?

[navy]

Bulls looking good. Can they still get Melo?
Not for a max.

[poido123]

Not for a max.


There are reports that Gasol might be used in a sign and trade for Melo.

Phil and the Knicks really want Gasol for some reason

[qrich]

There are reports that Gasol might be used in a sign and trade for Melo.

Phil and the Knicks really want Gasol for some reason

Unless Chicago is giving the Lakers Taj, or a hell of a haul, I can't see why the Lakers would facilitate such a move, as Chicago can not S&T Pau. If they were to sign Pau, they would have to wait until December 15th, iirc, before they can move him in any trade.

[Shade8780]

Not for a max.
But can't they sign-and-trade Boozer to the Knicks?

[1~Gibson~1]

Pau Gasols defense as a PF is waaay better than his defense at Center. He should fit right in.

[navy]

Pau Gasols defense as a PF is waaay better than his defense at Center. He should fit right in.

Not really. The league is way too small for him not to get burnt as power foward.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Gasol will be an asset defensively in Chicago I think. Noah's only real weakness if defending bigger stronger guys in the post. Pau's length will bother most guys in the league and he can camp in the paint.

[navy]

Gasol will be an asset defensively in Chicago I think. Noah's only real weakness if defending bigger stronger guys in the post. Pau's length will bother most guys in the league and he can camp in the paint.
Gasol hasnt played good post defense since 2010. Dude is soft. How many times have you seen Phil Jackson yell at a player? Now wait until Thibs watches tht weak shit in the playoffs.

[longtime lurker]

Gasol hasnt played good post defense since 2010. Dude is soft. How many times have you seen Phil Jackson yell at a player? Now wait until Thibs watches tht weak shit in the playoffs.

This. You can tell who actually watches the Lakers and who doesn't.

Patented Gasol defense below

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/pau-gasol-gif.gif

[fiddy]

Gasol will be an asset defensively in Chicago I think. Noah's only real weakness if defending bigger stronger guys in the post. Pau's length will bother most guys in the league and he can camp in the paint.
Pau is defensive liability Amir Johnson dropped 32 on him six months ago

[pegasus]

Ugh! Gasoft is the last player I wanted. I hope it's not a done deal or he can be traded again.

[navy]

Pau is defensive liability Amir Johnson dropped 32 on him six months ago
On Kobe's return night I think. Had him looking like a Superstar. :oldlol:

[navy]

This. You can tell who actually watches the Lakers and who doesn't.

Patented Gasol defense below

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/pau-gasol-gif.gif
:roll:

[kshutts1]

Man this thread is hard to read... So many uninformed people spouting off.

Anyway. Gasol to Bulls is an obvious upgrade. Not at all my first, or second, choice... probably 5th choice. But upgrade. The real question, though, is what kind of money will Pau command?

Let's say Lakers S&T Pau to the Bulls at 3/24m. Bulls send back Boozer and a protected first. Now the Bulls have roughly 5m available.

So, if Melo wants the 19m from the Bulls that has been the reported offer (4/77m)...
Knicks S&T Melo for Butler(2m), Gibson(8m), Dunleavy(3m).
That's 13m in salaries, plus the 5m the Bulls have, which is 18m. Just gotta shed Amundson's or Brewer's non-guaranteed salaries.

So it's very possible. Just not at all probable because, well, it's the Bulls.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Gasol hasnt played good post defense since 2010. Dude is soft. How many times have you seen Phil Jackson yell at a player? Now wait until Thibs watches tht weak shit in the playoffs.

I'm not saying he's going to win Defensive player of the year or anything.

All I'm saying is, he and Noah can definitely be on the court together.

[ZHAKIDD532]

He's an offensive player they sorely need.

[roffie]

shud taj be starting or gasol?

[coin24]

Gasol is still a beast on offense when motivated, complete fkn turnstile on defense..
His man will routinely career high:lol

I will still miss pau though, he has been great for the lakers:cheers:

[micz]

Just wondering, what has OKC done during this free agency period?

[navy]

Just wondering, what has OKC done during this free agency period?
Committed to Perkins. :oldlol:

[jzek]

As long as it's not the Spurs, I'm happy with this decision.

[nathanjizzle]

the bulls dont really need a defensive upgrade, we can even compromise on defense for alittle more offense.

[CHi1PriDe]

I fvcking hate FA :facepalm :cry: :facepalm

[GimmeThat]

This. You can tell who actually watches the Lakers and who doesn't.

Patented Gasol defense below

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/pau-gasol-gif.gif

he might be able to guard the pick and roll with Noah behind him.

but it'll be difficult playing an undersized 3 in front of him, unless they got good wingspans.

or you might just have to live the opposing team taking some jumpers.

[poido123]

If Gasol is to be effective in the playoffs, he needs to be conserved like duncan for the spurs.

That's of course if Gasol is staying

[D-Rose]

I love this move for Chicago because of the offense Gasol brings. Thibs will find a way to hide his defensive woes. He did it for freaking Boozer. you know Gasol's going to play hard for Thibs...or else lol.

I wonder what this means for the Melo pursuit. It looks tad more unlikely but there needs to be clarity on what type of deal Gasol would get.

East is going to be wide open next year...

[Thorn]

Haven't seen the terms yet, but he probably feels mistreated by the Lakers FO if he turned down 2/23 and 3/29. Will always love Pau for what he brought in his 6 years here. Thanks for everything.

That said...I don't really know how he fits in Chicago. He'd be great in a bench role where he doesn't have to play more than like 25 minutes a night, but then the Bulls would probably be overpaying by a lot. He's a smart defender with length, but he just doesn't have the motor to defend well any more, especially in Thibs' scheme. He hasn't been a good defender in a few years.

Now offensively he helps them because he can pass/post/shoot and maybe that's why they got him because the Bulls have been inept on that end since at least Rose's MVP year. Maybe they start Noah at PF and Pau at center since Pau doesn't have the mobility to chase PFs, especially stretch 4s. Wonder how Chicago gets rid of Boozer. Wasn't he going to be amnestied? Melo is most likely returning to NY with this deal, though.

[smoovegittar]

Melo stays in NY. Knicks want the other Gasol in 2015.

[D-Rose]

Melo stays in NY. Knicks want the other Gasol in 2015.
What if Melo wants out for sure and Chi offers Taj in a S&T? Does Phil change his tune? He better....

[longtime lurker]

If Gasol is to be effective in the playoffs, he needs to be conserved like duncan for the spurs.

That's of course if Gasol is staying

Problem is Thibs will probably burn him out playing too many minutes. Any idea who starts for the Bulls if this goes through?

[ArbitraryWater]

Hmm I don't see many differences between Boozer/Gasol at this point tbh

[D-Rose]

Problem is Thibs will probably burn him out playing too many minutes. Any idea who starts for the Bulls if this goes through?
Taj and Mirotic will also play the 4...I don't see Gasol playing more than 30 MPG

[brownmamba00]

Good for Pau, hope he wins another ring in that weak conference...But I don't see the cheap Bulls FO paying for Boozer, Gasol AND Taj.

Boozer+that kings pick for Pau would be a win-win.

Pau can still put up 20/10/4 when givin' touches and I wouldn't worry about defense when you have Thibs coaching the team. If Rose grows a pair, I can see Pau operating as a 2nd or 3rd option for a contending team.

So Melo going back to NYC, I guess...dude wasted everyone's time.

[Akrazotile]

Also Pau is pretty much a Center these days. I'm curious to see the spacing with him and Noah.


Noah can guard PF on defense and Gasol can play the high post on offense. Both guys are high IQ, shouldnt be a problem.

[nathanjizzle]

Hmm I don't see many differences between Boozer/Gasol at this point tbh

difference, pau is tall and lanky, can hit the hook shot in the paint over taller players, has post moves and can pass the ball. boozers post move is a fadeaway shot and screaming "grab datt jo"

i think jo and pau would be the tadem that rose needs as the 2nd option. jo likes to clean up missed shots, and he can compliment pau greatly in that aspect. him and jo would be like having shaq.

[D-Rose]

@McGrawDHBulls

[IllegalD]

[QUOTE=D-Rose]@McGrawDHBulls

[Roundball_Rock]

Good news. This gives the Bulls an excellent front line and if they can't get Carmelo go for Lance. 2015 will be the Bulls' best chance to make the Finals because Cleveland will not be at full strength due to youth and Miami and Indiana will be weakened.

[SpecialQue]

Holy shit, and the Bulls are the only team that I typically root for in the east. This worked out nicely...FOR ME.

[ALBballer]

If the Bulls can get Stephenson as well then I think its a good move but Gasol alone is a meh type of move.

[fiddy]

If the Bulls can get Stephenson as well then I think its a good move but Gasol alone is a meh type of move.
Can they pay him enough?

[PickernRoller]

Wow should have traded him when we had the chance

We begged for this but ohh well....He gave us 3 elite years and 3 crappy ones. I'll take it.

[PickernRoller]

Holy shit, and the Bulls are the only team that I typically root for in the east. This worked out nicely...FOR ME.

:lol :lol ..... it was good having you on our camp while it lasted. GL being a Chicago fan..:cheers:

[Akrazotile]

If the Bulls can get Stephenson as well then I think its a good move but Gasol alone is a meh type of move.


If the Bulls can get Stephenson too Ive got them as favorites in the East, easily.

[PickernRoller]

This will be interesting. Pau has been playing 0 defense for the past 2 seasons under MDA and now goes to a team with a coach that breathes defense and makes everyone work hard on that end? I wonder if he'll have the legs for it.

He doesn't and not to be a party pooper but if pushed they will break.

[aboss4real24]

Dum ass Bulls LOL

They jus signed Boozer 2.0

[IllegalD]

They can barely afford Pau without doing a Sign and Trade and add Mirotic. Yet you fools think they can add Pau AND Lance?! :roll:

[ALBballer]

Can they pay him enough?

They would probably have to get rid of atleast Dunleavy and/or Taj.

[Twiens]

So basically Boozer for Pau.......not sure that's even an improvement at this point.

[Imtheman]

Perhaps Pau will return to a 20 & 10 guy with this change of scenery?


Also.. Don't compare a bum like Boozer to a future hall of famer

[tmacattack33]

I'm not sure how much Gasol and Noah can both be out there in today's league of small ball...but when they do, that's the best passing 4-5 combo since Chris Webber and Vlade Divac.

That will be fun to watch.

[tomtucker]

he fukking sucks ! :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[hawkfan]

Gasol backs up Noah and Gibson.
Good move.

[Knicks014Champs]

Should of went to knicks to get carried to chips by melo, dumbass gasoft.

[Lakers2877]

Glad to see him going to East contender. Thank god hes not going to the Spurs. That would have been brutal to watch

[nevetslc88]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

ESPN sources say Lakers will delay official signing of Nick Young until AFTER Pau Gasol talks play out. Pau sign-and-trade must happen first

[tmacattack33]

he fukking sucks ! :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

How does he suck?

He's a weak defender but amazingly skilled on offense. So skilled that he you can still run your offense through him as a point forward (or point center) as one of your main options.

The Lakers would have had the worst or second worst record in the entire league if not for him last year.

Great move by Chicago. It's not optimum since they already have Noah but another good center can't hurt.

[chips93]

I'm not sure how much Gasol and Noah can both be out there in today's league of small ball...but when they do, that's the best passing 4-5 combo since Chris Webber and Vlade Divac.

That will be fun to watch.

jo moves his feet so well, i think he can guard pretty much any stretch 4s

[tpols]

Nice.. They could probably start Noah/taj to set the defensive tone and bring pau in for some nice bench scoring.. or the other way around, but hes old so they should rest him up for the playoffs. Now they just need rose to return to shape

[pegasus]

Nice.. They could probably start Noah/taj to set the defensive tone and bring pau in for some nice bench scoring.. or the other way around, but hes old so they should rest him up for the playoffs. Now they just need rose to return to shape
Not just. We still have only one shot creator, and we're not even sure if he'll stay healthy. We desperately need one more shot creator.

[tpols]

Not just. We still have only one shot creator, and we're not even sure if he'll stay healthy. We desperately need one more shot creator.

yea thats the bulls major weakness.. but Gasol will help with shot creation, hopefully he will have some more motivation with a change in scenery and playing for a team that goes hard all the time(opposite of LA since like 2010).

[jaybee682]

I'm sort of conflicted about this, he is kind of an upgrade from Boozer but Gasol is 34 and very very SOFT I just don't see him being a fraction of the player he was during the Lakers championship run. I think he should come off the bench.

[Twiens]

Pau Gasols defense as a PF is waaay better than his defense at Center. He should fit right in.

The opposite actually. He does a decent job and big guys, doesn't have the foot speed to guard PF's anymore. Probably the worst pick and roll defender in the league, but Boozer sucked too so not much of a difference.

[Kukoc]

Good for the Eastern conference

[wakencdukest]

We better get something other than Boozer out of this.

[JimmyConway]

Hopefully its a gasol for boozer sign and trade. I wonder if they cavs would listen to a dunleavy-waiters swap. Cavs get a shooter off the bench. Bulls get a ball handler and scorer. We already know that waiters has had problems with kyrie and im sure plugging wiggins in the 2 spot will only frustrate him more.

[sammichoffate]

We better get something other than Boozer out of this.Don't need anymore guards, need a wing and bigmen. All I see is draft picks unless another team gets involved.

[wakencdukest]

Don't need anymore guards, need a wing and bigmen. All I see is draft picks unless another team gets involved.





Chicago's first rounder would be a good start.

[Euroleague]

Mirotic and Gasol with a coach like Thibodeau......

:roll:

[pegasus]

Mirotic and Gasol with a coach like Thibodeau......

:roll:
Almost as funny as you with green bars.....

:roll:

[flipogb]

dude is gonna be complaining in no time when Gibson starts outplaying him

[jaybee682]

dude is gonna be complaining in no time when Gibson starts outplaying him

I agree at this point Taj is a much better player than Gasol.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Hopefully its a gasol for boozer sign and trade. I wonder if they cavs would listen to a dunleavy-waiters swap. Cavs get a shooter off the bench. Bulls get a ball handler and scorer. We already know that waiters has had problems with kyrie and im sure plugging wiggins in the 2 spot will only frustrate him more.
Great post, awesome username, pimp avatar.

[JimmyConway]

Great post, awesome username, pimp avatar.
Haha thanks mayne! Lets ****in go Bulls!

[SamuraiSWISH]

Haha thanks mayne! Lets ****in go Bulls!
Ugh, Gasol is more useful than Boozer. Still don't enjoy all we've done in F/A. We need a playmaker. Get Waiters. Send Gasol in a package for him or something. Gibson was promised the starting PF spot, and he's a better fit in Thibs system than old ass Gasol. Cleveland could better use his championship experience, and size around the bucket.

[SpecialQue]

:lol :lol ..... it was good having you on our camp while it lasted. GL being a Chicago fan..:cheers:

While I really like the Bulls, I'm still going to root for the Lakers, even if I have no idea what the fvck they're doing with these signings so far.

[SpecialQue]

he fukking sucks ! :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

YOU fvcking suck.

[JimmyConway]

Ugh, Gasol is more useful than Boozer. Still don't enjoy all we've done in F/A. We need a playmaker. Get Waiters. Send Gasol in a package for him or something. Gibson was promised the starting PF spot, and he's a better fit in Thibs system than old ass Gasol. Cleveland could better use his championship experience, and size around the bucket.
Yeah man we'll see how it plays out. Definitely don't think we're done making moves. I think they realize the importance of having a skilled secondary iso scorer/ball handler. Not too many options though. You have Stuckey unrestricted out there. Alan anderson. Jordan crawford. Ramon sessions who they were reportedly interested in? Again under the right corcumstances I would love Lance or Waiters. Waiters is kind of a knucklehead though. Look at his twitter.

[JellyBean]

Good for him and the Bulls. Will miss him being a Laker, did us a lot of good.



Well stated. Gonna miss the Big Spaniard rocking the Lakers Purple and Gold. Thanks, Pau for all that you did for the Lakers.

[Milbuck]

Apparently it's 6.5 mil/yr, great contract for Pau. After the Bulls sign Mirotcic, that's gonna be a nasty front court.

[winwin]

:applause:

[MVBallin2K]

The final piece of the last Lakers championship team is gone now outside of Kobe. It was a fun ride while it lasted and I'm going to miss seeing Pau on the floor in a Lakers jersey. Congrats Chicago fans, you're not only getting a quality player even at his age now, you're getting a grade A guy all around.

Gasol deserves to contend for a championship so here's to getting that shot with Chicago. :cheers:

[-Lebron23-]

Apparently it's 6.5 mil/yr, great contract for Pau. After the Bulls sign Mirotcic, that's gonna be a nasty front court.
Are you sure? He turned down 2yr/$20mill from Lakers and Marvin motherfvcking Williams just got $7mill/yr

[navy]

Apparently it's 6.5 mil/yr, great contract for Pau. After the Bulls sign Mirotcic, that's gonna be a nasty front court.
:biggums:

Isnt that what OKC offered him with the MLE?

[Mr. Incredible]

Nice job Bulls.

East is going to be fun next year.