Superstacked team loses one player, how will they fare?

[TheCorporation]

As many people on this forum have suggested, the Miami Heat team was "THE MOST STACKED TEAM EVER OF ALL TIME!!!" So now that they've lost one player, how many wins do you project they'll get? When MJ left the Bulls in 1994, the Bulls team still did very well. Considering the Heat team is "THE MOST STACKED TEAM EVER OF ALL TIME!!!" I feel they should at least match what Chicago did sans Jordan, at the least. In fact, possible win even more games, since after all, this Heat team is "THE MOST STACKED TEAM EVER OF ALL TIME!!!"

Let's take a look at the numbers:

MJ Bulls in 93: 57 wins
Bulls sans MJ in 94: 55 wins

LBJ Heat in 14: 54 wins
Heat sans LBJ in 15: ???

So, looking at the obvious, the Bulls had a 2-win drop off after MJ left. Does that tell me MJ wasn't as impactful as we thought? Does it tell us perhaps the Bulls were amazingly stacked? Perhaps even more than the Miami Heat? Does anyone think the Miami Heat will get 52 wins in 2015? And in fact, since they're so stacked, can't we say they will not even have a 2 win drop off? I mean, if Chicago managed a 2-win drop off and they supposedly weren't as stacked, can we say that Miami has a 0 win drop off, hereby assuming they'd win 54 games again? Makes you think...

Also, if LBJ does get replaced by Carmelo or Luol Deng in Miami, that obviously changes things, as MJ's void in 94 was filled with Bill Wennington (7.4 ppg, 4.6 rpg)

Makes you think, doesn't it? Discuss:

[navy]

Heat arent stacked.

[TheCorporation]

Heat arent stacked.

And while I would agree with you, good sir, there are many people on this forum who would suggest otherwise. I actually remember reading posts from mouth breathing morons that suggested the Heat team, "Wasn't fair and they were cheating because they are just too good/strong." And then in the same breath they propped up MJ saying how MJ did it all on his own, didn't need a stacked team.

The lulz it brought me. The lulz, man.

[Im Still Ballin]

Heat will be around 45-50 wins. Cavs around the same unless they get love then more so 57-64 wins.

The Miami v Cleveland narrative will be pushed very hard. It will be a HUGE draw.

[MellowYellow]

Not just about Lebron, they also lost Ray Allen, Mario Chalmers, and Shane Battier. All very important pieces to their championship teams. I don't think they will win more than 50 games next year.

[WindmiLL]

Of course Kobe stans, Durant stans, Jordan stans and Lebron haters in general will avoid this thread since Heat being ''all time stacked'' was their main excuse to discredit anything Lebron achieved there.

[TheCorporation]

Uhh, there's basically this exact same thread on the front page that was made by another bran stan.

I'm pretty sure mine is much more eloquent and drives home better points. I also didn't see any other thread, but again, I'm sure mine is more well written.


Of course Kobe stans, Durant stans, Jordan stans and Lebron haters in general will avoid this thread since Heat being ''all time stacked'' was their main excuse to discredit anything Lebron achieved there.

Precisely.

[TheCorporation]

Not just about Lebron, they also lost Ray Allen, Mario Chalmers, and Shane Battier. All very important pieces to their championship teams. I don't think they will win more than 50 games next year.

Well, I think it was beneficial to the Miami Heat organization to lose Battier (did you see that guy in 2014?) and they haven't "Lost Ray Allen or Mario Chalmers yet. As for Chalmers, um, see my comment about Battier.

Has it really come to this? We are talking about a team's strength due in part to over-the-hill Battier and Mario the Finals disappearing Magician Chalmers?

Has it really come to this? :lol

[beastee]

They were the most "stacked" team 3-4 years ago when D Wade was in his prime, Bosh was almost a superstar and Lebron was the best player on the planet. Add in some pretty solid depth and a weak east and yes, they were incredibly stacked. But 4 years later a lot has changed. Your comparison of the bulls minus MJ is apples to oranges, but with you bitch ass lebron stans that is how most of the comparisons are anyway.:facepalm

[MellowYellow]

Well, I think it was beneficial to the Miami Heat organization to lose Battier (did you see that guy in 2014?) and they haven't "Lost Ray Allen or Mario Chalmers yet. As for Chalmers, um, see my comment about Battier.

Has it really come to this? We are talking about a team's strength due in part to over-the-hill Battier and Mario the Finals disappearing Magician Chalmers?

Has it really come to this? :lol

Well then you have your answer, the Heat went from stacked to unstacked because of a regression of key players on their team.

[Talent]

How the hell is Miami going to win 50 games next year? They lost a lot of pieces and unless they replace them they will not be as good.

[DaSeba5]

How the hell is Miami going to win 50 games next year? They lost a lot of pieces and unless they replace them they will not be as good.

Well I trust Riley with building the team. They've been in the 40s in wins with Wade alone in the past. Now add Bosh and some good role players, and it's realistic, especially in the East.

[Myth]

Heat were stacked until the 2013/14 season when Bosh became a 3 point shooter and Wade became a bum on defense. 2011 through 2013 they were legit stacked though.

[Fudge]

50 wins assuming Wade comes back.

[Droid101]

Of course Kobe stans, Durant stans, Jordan stans and Lebron haters in general will avoid this thread since Heat being ''all time stacked'' was their main excuse to discredit anything Lebron achieved there.
He left his team as the best player in the league to team up with the 3rd best player in the league and like the 14th best in the league. That is all-time stacked no matter how much you want to pretend it isn't.

[Eric Cartman]

They'll get at least 45 wins, possibly 50 if Wade is playing at a star level. Him, Bosh and McRoberts in the East is a top 4 team, even without Lebron.

[Real Men Wear Green]

While I disagree with the idea that last year's Heat was a great supporting cast,
MJ's void in 94 was filled with Bill Wennington (7.4 ppg, 4.6 rpg) Is very misleading. Wennington was a center that didn't even average 20 minutes per game. The team had other additions (the most important being Kukoc) that helped Pippen keep the team among the EC's elite. MJ did have a better team around him than James but we don't need to rewrite history to prove that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They'll get at least 45 wins, possibly 50 if Wade is playing at a star level. Him, Bosh and McRoberts in the East is a top 4 team, even without Lebron.
I would agree if Wade didn't have his knee issues but with the Heat resting him for 28 (or something) games he still couldn't contribute consistently in the postseason. To lead Miami to a good season they need 70+ games of superstar Wade. If he's under 60 games again (which is what last season dictates) they're 6-8 seed and gone in the first round.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He left his team as the best player in the league to team up with the 3rd best player in the league and like the 14th best in the league. That is all-time stacked no matter how much you want to pretend it isn't.
They had a ton of star power at the beginning but last year Wade missed 28 games and Bosh averaged 16 and 7. No one other than James was over 20 ppg and James led them in points, assists, and rebounds. That isn't a great supporting cast.

[Roundball_Rock]

Of course Kobe stans, Durant stans, Jordan stans and Lebron haters in general will avoid this thread since Heat being ''all time stacked'' was their main excuse to discredit anything Lebron achieved there.

Exactly. It is ironic since all those players have spent their careers with better rosters than what LeBron has had. :lol


MJ's void in 94 was filled with Bill Wennington (7.4 ppg, 4.6 rpg)

MJ retired 2 days before training camp, not in July. The Bulls had no time to get a FA. They turned to Pete Myers, a CBA player (the 90's D-League) who was not even in the NBA the previous 2 years. He put up 8/2/3 while MJ had 33/7/6 the previous year at the SG position. If the Heat can "replace" LeBron with a legitimate SF like Deng that gives them a huge edge on the 94' Bulls who "replaced" MJ with a scrub. The 94' Bulls also had a lot of injuries. When Pippen and Grant played they went 44-15, a 63 win pace. They both missed time and starting C Bill Cartwright missed half the season. If the Heat are healthy, have 2 superstars not 1 like the 94' Bulls and can find a legitimate starting SF there is no reason why they should not be able to replicate what the 94' Bulls did and remain elite--if the claims about the Heat being stacked are accurate.

The East has 5 superstars today, with 1 having an injury question mark. 2 of those superstars play on the Heat. How are they not going to be dominant even without LeBron?

[dubeta]

Bosh is going to get a seizure trying to carry the load while wade takes his mini-vacations during the season

[LongLiveTheKing]

Heat are still going to be a good team.
ECF bound