LeBron Winning One Title In Cleveland Makes Him GOAT

[SilkkTheShocker]

Not even arguable either. Cleveland hasn't won anything since there were still separate water fountains for blacks. The man would be looked upon as a demigod in that city for finally taking them to greatness.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Silkk making one more thread makes him the ISH GOAT

Oh wait, he already is :applause:

Watch out though, Silkk. Im Still Ballin is creeping up on you

[LBJ 23]

No it doesn't. Please stop with this shit, this is something Kobe fans would be saying about their Godbe.

Stop it it's stupid.

[Droid101]

2/5

[Meticode]

Realistically I don't think so. I think he's have to win at least two titles in Cleveland for people to start considering him even top 3 (by the end of his career that is).

But believe me. With him coming back, if Cleveland won a NBA title with him leading the way, he definitely jumps up the list.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Silkk making one more thread makes him the ISH GOAT

Oh wait, he already is :applause:

Watch out though, Silkk. Im Still Ballin is creeping up on you

:cheers:

[navy]

Depends how he plays.

[BigBoss]

Whatever helps you sleep at night :lol

[Magic 32]

Not even arguable either. Cleveland hasn't won anything since there were still separate water fountains for blacks. The man would be looked upon as a demigod in that city for finally taking them to greatness.

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[Fudge]

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[SupermanOnSteroids]

lol no thx jeff

[SexSymbol]

2/5

[BuffaloBill]

Not even arguable either. Cleveland hasn't won anything since there were still separate water fountains for blacks. The man would be looked upon as a demigod in that city for finally taking them to greatness.



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[jrong]

So the basis for LeBron being better would be that Chicago teams don't suck?

I must say, you have low expectations for him for somebody who jocks him so hard.

[Ca$H]

Not even arguable either. Cleveland hasn't won anything since there were still separate water fountains for blacks. The man would be looked upon as a demigod in that city for finally taking them to greatness.

He will be the GOAT sidekick. He will make an excellent Pippen to Wiggins' Jordan. #LePippen

[TheMan]

Not even arguable either. Cleveland hasn't won anything since there were still separate water fountains for blacks. The man would be looked upon as a demigod in that city for finally taking them to greatness.
Shut bitch f@ggot

you're always wrong :oldlol:

[Mure]

1 title in Cleveland = LeBron is a top 5 LOCK. 2 titles in Cleveland = top 3 easily.

[livinglegend]

OP is right. :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Real14]

Wrong Not 6 Not 7 times. Lebron will be 2/6 or no finals appearance in Jun 2015. I guarantee it.

[Swaggaboy80six]

How virgin life treating you silk? You back from cutting your wrist? You flying cvnt ph^ggot? I swear your prolly all laughing in front of your screen right now....but the sad thing is...after you troll these boards, you go back to your shitty life....lol 40 year old still lives with his parents lol working at mcdonalds.....life must suck for you silk...I wish I could smack the $hit out of you right now and stomp on your head you annoying fvkc

[9erempiree]

Bandwagoning thread.:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How virgin life treating you silk? You back from cutting your wrist? You flying cvnt ph^ggot? I swear your prolly all laughing in front of your screen right now....but the sad thing is...after you troll these boards, you go back to your shitty life....lol 40 year old still lives with his parents lol working at mcdonalds.....life must suck for you silk...I wish I could smack the $hit out of you right now and stomp on your head you annoying fvkc

:biggums: :roll:

[Swaggaboy80six]

:biggums: :roll:
lol freal though, silk is like those ugly bitches you see at school trying to get attention by wearing short skirts....but nobody wants to see that shit....he probably doesn't get enough attention in real life so he has to troll these boards so people can respond to him...

[NumberSix]

Wrong Not 6 Not 7 times. Lebron will be 2/6 or no finals appearance in Jun 2015. I guarantee it.
And Melo is 0/0..... Oh wait, that's not an insult. You're not actually a Knicks or Melo fan.

[dreamwarrior]

GOAT cindarella story, sure.

[LBJFTW]

Fast forward to 2017.

Wiggins averages in post season 31/7/5
Bron averages 25/6/4

Branstans will be saying he brought the chip home to Cleveland and is the GOAT while Wiggins shrugs his shoulders and polishes his FVMP ring.

13-15 year olds will be saying Wiggins is going to go 8/8 in the finals for his career.

Book it and deal with it.

[Ca$H]

Fast forward to 2017.

Wiggins averages in post season 31/7/5
Bron averages 25/6/4

Branstans will be saying he brought the chip home to Cleveland and is the GOAT while Wiggins shrugs his shoulders and polishes his FVMP ring.

13-15 year olds will be saying Wiggins is going to go 8/8 in the finals for his career.

Book it and deal with it.

:applause: This man gets it. My nikka.

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[sportjames23]

2/5


Stans can't argue against this. :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

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[jayfan]

GOAT cindarella story, sure.

Cinderella story? This team has had three #1 picks and two #4 picks in the last 4 years!! It would be a Cinderella story if they didn't win a championship!





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[3ball]

It's still Jordan - just look at the stats... who had better stats?

Jordan... Then consider that Lebron plays in the less physical, "open-paint" era due to the spacing created by 3-point shooting, the defensive 3 seconds rule, and refs not allowing hand-checking.

So Jordan put up superior stats playing a tougher brand of basketball - shot quality and achieving efficiency was dimensions more difficult without the floor-spacing, defensive 3 seconds, or wide open paint that today's player enjoys.


Which one of these is harder to score in the paint?

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3-pt Floor-Spacing + Defensive 3 Seconds = An Open Paint.. No At-Rim Protection.. Easier Shots


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No Spacing + No Defensive 3 Seconds = Real paint defense and at-rim protection... tougher shots

[Real14]

Stans can't argue against this. :oldlol:
:applause:

[The-Legend-24]

How virgin life treating you silk? You back from cutting your wrist? You flying cvnt ph^ggot? I swear your prolly all laughing in front of your screen right now....but the sad thing is...after you troll these boards, you go back to your shitty life....lol 40 year old still lives with his parents lol working at mcdonalds.....life must suck for you silk...I wish I could smack the $hit out of you right now and stomp on your head you annoying fvkc
Damn. :oldlol:

[poido123]

Is this fool Serious?

his love of the Heat changed very quickly, what apiece of shit OP is :facepalm

[avonbarksdale]

chicago had never won a ring before mj you retard

[Roundball_Rock]

It would make him the GOAT in the Cleveland region, since that area has been battered, both in terms of sports and economically. Cleveland was once the nation's 6th largest city; it is now down to 45th and is still losing population in an era where many cities are rebounding.

Winning multiple rings in Cleveland could enhance his legacy nationally in a way doing so in Miami could not. He would be taking a team of youngsters and a city that has not won anything in half a century to the promised lead. He took on this challenge by leaving a team that some considered the most stacked of all-time. He could have stayed in Miami and been back in the Finals next year for the 5th consecutive year but he took on a great challenge. This could enhance him in a similar way to Formula 1's Michael Schumacher leaving a 2-time defending championship team for a mid-pack team and making it dominant. While the general view is Senna was faster and Prost was better at race craft, Schumacher has a case for GOAT partly because he took on that challenge and succeeded spectacularly versus staying with a top team.

It is funny how Cleveland is suddenly being presented as a great destination. No free agent wanted to touch the Cavs before LeBron got there. They won 33 games last year and 24 the previous year.


It's still Jordan - just look at the stats... who had better stats?

Wilt is the GOAT if you are looking at statistics.

[Anfernee]

I think if LeBron could 3peat in Cleveland, he would have a case to be in that tier.

[Beastmode88]

MJ won 6 titles for his first team. Lebron 0. Get 7 and he'll be the goat.

Off Topic: Why do bandwagoners like Silkk, Lebronxrings, Lebron23 and Marlo still try to talk? Haven't they been discredited when the spurs beat down Miami? They literally spammed ISH for days before the finals started with 3peats / cruise control to championship / bran > mj. What happened after game 3, 4 and 5 beat downs? They just disappeared and couldn't even face any of their peers on ISH. They went weeks without a single keystroke cause they couldn't take the humiliation from the countless amounts of thread bumps It was great and there was nothing they could of done about it. All the shit they talked, all the threads they wrote just completely nullified. But as predicted they're back to add to the trollfest ISH has become.

[knicksman]

still the fact remains that OP is one of the dumbest on this board

[Roundball_Rock]

MJ won 6 titles for his first team.

Did MJ leave in his prime for a lottery team and turn them into contenders? What LeBron is attempting to do is unprecedented for a GOAT-caliber player. Miami will be in shambles without LeBron while a 33 win team will be a top 3 seed in the East since LeBron makes any team he is on an instant contender.

:lol at the "four #1 picks" talk. Bennett averaged 4/2/0 on 36% last year. Wiggins may be great, he may be a bust or he may be average. We don't know yet. Irving is a top 15-20 player.

[gigantes]

LeBron Winning One Title In Cleveland Makes Him GOAT
no.

it doesn't work like that


not to mention, you're a moron on ISH, which is... actually quite laudable, i guess! :cheers:

[Real14]

Did MJ leave in his prime for a lottery team and turn them into contenders? What LeBron is attempting to do is unprecedented for a GOAT-caliber player. Miami will be in shambles without LeBron while a 33 win team will be a top 3 seed in the East since LeBron makes any team he is on an instant contender.

:lol at the "four #1 picks" talk. Bennett averaged 4/2/0 on 36% last year. Wiggins may be great, he may be a bust or he may be average. We don't know yet. Irving is a top 15-20 player.
For u to be a damn pippen stan you sure a lot dumber than I thought:coleman:

[poido123]

Did MJ leave in his prime for a lottery team and turn them into contenders? What LeBron is attempting to do is unprecedented for a GOAT-caliber player. Miami will be in shambles without LeBron while a 33 win team will be a top 3 seed in the East since LeBron makes any team he is on an instant contender.

:lol at the "four #1 picks" talk. Bennett averaged 4/2/0 on 36% last year. Wiggins may be great, he may be a bust or he may be average. We don't know yet. Irving is a top 15-20 player.


Surely you aren't that Simple?

Bennett is reportedly in top shape and looking like a number 1, they just drafted a potential superstar, then they have guys like TT, waiters,Andy V, and Irving., while also ousting a shit coach and replacing with a good one.

Cleveland had a lot of internal problems last year and the coach sucked, they gave up on him.

There is no denying this team is stacked with talent, LeBron walks In and will reap the benefits of a stacked team like he always has.

Wiggins, Irving and lebron are you kidding Me?

No dude, don't kid yourself. Lebron won't be doing anything amazing other than joining a very good group of talent capable of winning.

[LeBird]

If he wins 2, watch the media overdrive...he'll be getting the GOAT calls far more.

[CelticBaller]

2/5

Good job, good effort

[gigantes]

If he wins 2, watch the media overdrive...he'll be getting the GOAT calls far more.
well, is there some reason that wouldn't be justified...?

[Cold soul]

Lebron boarder line top 10 all-time right now. The best he can hope for is top 6 when he calls it quits. Lebron as GOAT LOL that ship already sailed after 2011 NBA Finals.

[coin24]

That's just silk being his usual f@ggot self:lol

Bran 2/5 ring chasing beta. Not even top10. Next

[The-Legend-24]

2/5

[dontgetchoked]

Weak troll. too obvious.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

MJ won 6 titles for his first team. Lebron 0. Get 7 and he'll be the goat.

Off Topic: Why do bandwagoners like Silkk, Lebronxrings, Lebron23 and Marlo still try to talk? Haven't they been discredited when the spurs beat down Miami? They literally spammed ISH for days before the finals started with 3peats / cruise control to championship / bran > mj. What happened after game 3, 4 and 5 beat downs? They just disappeared and couldn't even face any of their peers on ISH. They went weeks without a single keystroke cause they couldn't take the humiliation from the countless amounts of thread bumps It was great and there was nothing they could of done about it. All the shit they talked, all the threads they wrote just completely nullified. But as predicted they're back to add to the trollfest ISH has become.

:lol

[raprap]

Silk da goat :bowdown:

[T_L_P]

You just called Duncan da GOAT. :bowdown:

[red1]

he moves up to top 5 after one title in cleveland. 2 titles and he is officially the GBMOAT

[LeBird]

well, is there some reason that wouldn't be justified...?

I'm not saying it won't be. I'm just saying that's what will happen.

[NLZ]

Not even arguable either. Cleveland hasn't won anything since there were still separate water fountains for blacks. The man would be looked upon as a demigod in that city for finally taking them to greatness.
Chicago hadn't won a championship until MJ won there as well.
San Antonio hadn't won a championship until Duncan won there as well.

Bad logic.

[PickernRoller]

Not even arguable either. Cleveland hasn't won anything since there were still separate water fountains for blacks. The man would be looked upon as a demigod in that city for finally taking them to greatness.
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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

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[Roundball_Rock]

Chicago hadn't won a championship until MJ won there as well.
San Antonio hadn't won a championship until Duncan won there as well.

Bad logic.

He meant the city. Chicago won a NFL title MJ's first year in town. San Antonio is a one sport town so it is a different situation. Cleveland has not won in any sport since 1964 and the city has been battered economically for decades. Cleveland was once the nation's 6th largest city; it is now 45th and still falling. Cleveland has been losing population since the 60's, going from 915,000 to 390,000. If any city needs a boost, one could argue it is Cleveland.

[gigantes]

I'm not saying it won't be. I'm just saying that's what will happen.
okay, i gotcha.

on a side note... i think it's always fun when ppl try to gift you with a bunch of GIFs, pretty much begging to be recognised for their merits upon creativity.

the one thing i do know is that it's NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE

you know :cheers:

[houston]

lebron sealed his fate indeed

[INDI]

I was a heat hater but I truly respect Lebron for making this decision and wish him the best of luck.

If Bron wins a ring in Cleveland I will leap frog him in my goat list and put him at 5. After retirement he will get the bounce to as high as 3.

In order for him to take KAJ spot at 2 he would have to get a minimum of 2 but more than likely it will be 3.


For him to take MJs spot though he gotta at least tie him at 6 rings and then it's a debate

[sportjames23]

dos para cinco

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

Just because you are on a losing franchise and you possibly win 1 chip, you are considered GOAT?

[kamil]

2/5 < 6/6

[Angel Face]

The only thing he is the GOAT at is getting his jersey burned.

[GimmeThat]

maybe, besides the fact that he was there before and I don't know if another Cavs had won the MVP before.


I remember reading how Moses or Kareem being one of the only player to ever be traded after winning the MVP award.

I also wonder what are the numbers of teams who's had MVPs yet didn't win championships.

I don't know if this should count as a positive or a negative for the franchise. Because there's certainly been teams that's just never developed a MVP environment.


does MVP count as a franchise achievement?

I don't know, I don't want to lower the standard of achievement for all. But I think having goals instead of the whole "if we are not really good, we might as well just tank and be really really bad" is better for the league.

I know at the least, the coaches would be proud.

[Roundball_Rock]

I remember reading how Moses or Kareem being one of the only player to ever be traded after winning the MVP award.

KAJ asked to be traded. He wanted to live in NY or LA, the two metropolises he had spent his entire life prior to the NBA in, and went to the team and informed them of his decision a year in advance so the Bucks could trade him and get value for him. He did not want to leave them high and dry. Thanks to KAJ, the Bucks got an all-star, a 16/11 center and the #2 and #8 picks in that year's draft. This helped the Bucks, who KAJ felt were good to him--but entailed a sacrifice on KAJ's part because the Lakers were almost gutted to get him. If he left on his own he could have joined a much stronger Lakers team with those extra pieces but he wanted to do right by Milwaukee. Yet people criticize him for not winning a ring in LA prior to Magic? :rolleyes:

[leMVP]

That will be a huge step for him on the ladder, he will be atleast top 5 for sure, passing the likes of Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Bird, Hakeem.

Also the storyline will add a lot to his already great legacy.

[GimmeThat]

KAJ asked to be traded. He wanted to live in NY or LA, the two metropolises he had spent his entire life prior to the NBA in, and went to the team and informed them of his decision a year in advance so the Bucks could trade him and get value for him. He did not want to leave them high and dry. Thanks to KAJ, the Bucks got an all-star, a 16/11 center and the #2 and #8 picks in that year's draft. This helped the Bucks, who KAJ felt were good to him--but entailed a sacrifice on KAJ's part because the Lakers were almost gutted to get him. If he left on his own he could have joined a much stronger Lakers team with those extra pieces but he wanted to do right by Milwaukee. Yet people criticize him for not winning a ring in LA prior to Magic? :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure that's colluding

[gilalizard]

No, not even close.

It will make him GOAT for many Ohioans, I'm sure. But they're hardly going to be objective about anything at this point. The reality is, like any other championship, it will have to be taken in context. And the likely context is, if they win one, he's on a team stocked up on young talent. And with good (supposedly) good coaching.

Now, if that one victory outweighs all his Miami Finals "wins" and Finals appearances, what it does do is point out how easy he had it in Miami. And thus lessen the historical weight of those "victories" and appearances.

Because, even though it may mean everything to Cleveland, Akron and the rest of Ohio (and his drooling, mindless stans), it still means the same to everyone else: A single Finals victory by a very talented, well-coached team with the best player on the planet. And with that situation around him, for him to even be considered for GOATness anywhere but in Ohio (and the fevered imaginations of his feckless stans), he will have to string together 2 different 3-peats. Because that's been the standard since MJ.

If he can't do that, he can't be GOAT.

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What will be interesting is how much of a leader he actually will be. He always has come across as someone who reads from a script when it came to his "leadership". Spouting off things he thinks genuine leaders say. Always having to publicly proclaim how he's the leader, instead of effectively leading himself.

Now he's got no other established stars around him. No veterans to buoy him. Can he really be an effective and mature leader for young, fresh talent? He'll never provide the maniacal leadership of MJ or Kobe. Nor the steady, cool-as-a-cucumber leadership of Duncan. Nor the fun, chill surfer charisma of Dirk.

LeBron acts too goofy and childish for that. Can he create his own effective style? Or will it just be more inspirational sport-movie cliches?

[AceManIII]

OP should just change his title to "LeBron winning one title in Cleveland makes him a Legend" or

"******* LeBron ******ger is back for online attention!"