LeBron can never be called "colluder" or "ringchaser" ever again

[dubeta]

This guy is basically doing the opposite, while still in his prime

He went from a team that went to 4 straight finals, with 2 HOF and a GOAT organisation, to the laughing stock of the league who won only 33 games last year

The Cavs have heavily struggled since 2010, never making the playoffs, they also have incompetent management.

LeBron is basically doing the opposite of ringchasing, going to a team full of inexperienced players, instead of staying on a team with Wade, Bosh, and the GOAT GM Riley

Who else in nba history would have the guts to leave a team like Miami, to go a 33 win team full of inexperienced players?

All hail King James :bowdown: :bowdown:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Anyone who says going the Cavs is ring chasing must be mentally retarded. There's absolutely no chance that LeBron joins this team after 4 straight finals unless it was his home town. No big free agents like Melo wanted to go to Cleveland for obvious reasons

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Yeah tough break teaming up with 3 #1 picks. :oldlol:

[dubeta]

Yeah tough break teaming up with 3 #1 picks. :oldlol:

Anthony Bennett :facepalm

Well I guess kobe choked with the 2005-2007 lakers since he couldnt do much with Odom, Bynum and #1 pick Kwame Brown, damn that team shouldve won a championship

[AnaheimLakers24]

ok if you say so

[TiagoSimoes]

:facepalm

James to Miami was collusion and ringchasing at its best, no one can erase that stain in his legacy.

I do respect him a bit more now that he went back to the cavs, but its not like the cavs are horrible, they are probably the team in the nba with the most potencial in the league, with a ton of assets, and are still trying to get love.
Cavs without love are easily a top 3 team in the east, and without lebron they would prolly make the playoffs this season

[TheMan]

Lower expectations (wilts under pressure) and the team is young and loaded with talent...what's not to love :confusedshrug:

[pegasus]

He knows that team is loaded with talent and draft picks to turn them into star players via trade. He thought staying in Miami and losing in the finals again would have hurt his legacy even more, so he lowered the expectations but his new team has a bright future if they can make the right moves.

[Milbuck]

This isn't colluding. But the people acting like he's joining a shit team devoid of any talent at all are just as retarded. Shut up about his decision and just enjoy the basketball, because this team is gonna be exciting to watch down the road.

[Ca$H]

This guy is basically doing the opposite, while still in his prime

He went from a team that went to 4 straight finals, with 2 HOF and a GOAT organisation, to the laughing stock of the league who won only 33 games last year

The Cavs have heavily struggled since 2010, never making the playoffs, they also have incompetent management.

LeBron is basically doing the opposite of ringchasing, going to a team full of inexperienced players, instead of staying on a team with Wade, Bosh, and the GOAT GM Riley

Who else in nba history would have the guts to leave a team like Miami, to go a 33 win team full of inexperienced players?

All hail King James :bowdown: :bowdown:

LeBron is a colluder and ring chaser. He will be carried by Wiggins when he declines.

[konex]

He left Miami as soon as things started looking tough for a team full of #1 picks

http://i.imgur.com/7soWQDA.jpg

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Anthony Bennett :facepalm

Well I guess kobe choked with the 2005-2007 lakers since he couldnt do much with Odom, Bynum and #1 pick Kwame Brown, damn that team shouldve won a championship

It would be like 09 Kobe (Age 30) teaming up with (09) Blake Griffin, (08) Derrick Rose and (06) Andrea Bargnani.

What a martyr :oldlol:

[Meticode]

Guiding a team full of #1 picks who are super young and unproven as the leader is harder than creating a super-team out of free agency and each of those players knowing their roles.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

OP, dude, if you fail to realize that Cleveland is a much better situation for LeBron to win more titles than staying with the Heat, there's no hope for you. I really hope you donate your brain to scientific research so that science can figure out the cure for the gay nad hanger gene. Pleople like this annoy me to hell. I really hope that soon enough science comes out with a cure for this. Seriously, if you could even just start to participate in some scientific research programs that could attach some electrodes to your brain and process your way of thinking I think the results would immensely help the CIA into duping the nation of the future into thinking that all the future presidents are the GOAT presidents ever. I mean, just offer up some of your DNA to the research community. I'm sure some clever entrepreneur would at least find a way to use your delusional thought process and at least come up with a solution for guys to trick girls into thinking that they are awesome. OP, you can be a cure for humanity. Don't let yourself go to waste. Donate to science now!

[dubeta]

OP, dude, if you fail to realize that Cleveland is a much better situation for LeBron to win more titles than staying with the Heat, there's no hope for you. I really hope you donate your brain to scientific research so that science can figure out the cure for the gay nad hanger gene. Pleople like this annoy me to hell. I really hope that soon enough science comes out with a cure for this. Seriously, if you could even just start to participate in some scientific research programs that could attach some electrodes to your brain and process your way of thinking I think the results would immensely help the CIA into duping the nation of the future into thinking that all the future presidents are the GOAT presidents ever. I mean, just offer up some of your DNA to the research community. I'm sure some clever entrepreneur would at least find a way to use your delusional thought process and at least come up with a solution for guys to trick girls into thinking that they are awesome. OP, you can be a cure for humanity. Don't let yourself go to waste. Donate to science now!

stay mad son

[Godzuki]

i swear some of you mf'ers here don't think past the hour.

Cav's are fukking loaded

Heat are on major decline with a huge roadblock in their way they're likely to never get past

figure it out

[konex]

OP, dude, if you fail to realize that Cleveland is a much better situation for LeBron to win more titles than staying with the Heat, there's no hope for you

Better situation with none of the pressure. It's a no-brainer that he went back actually

[Magic 32]

This guy is basically doing the opposite, while still in his prime

He went from a team that went to 4 straight finals, with 2 HOF and a GOAT organisation, to the laughing stock of the league who won only 33 games last year

The Cavs have heavily struggled since 2010, never making the playoffs, they also have incompetent management.

LeBron is basically doing the opposite of ringchasing, going to a team full of inexperienced players, instead of staying on a team with Wade, Bosh, and the GOAT GM Riley

Who else in nba history would have the guts to leave a team like Miami, to go a 33 win team full of inexperienced players?

All hail King James :bowdown: :bowdown:

You can't erase the past.

Easy to say all this now, when he spent his peak years with the evil empire.

Collusion made him a champion.

Lebron must win at least 3 rings with the Cavs before "ringchaser" won't be his defining characteristic.

[J Shuttlesworth]

OP, dude, if you fail to realize that Cleveland is a much better situation for LeBron to win more titles than staying with the Heat, there's no hope for you. I really hope you donate your brain to scientific research so that science can figure out the cure for the gay nad hanger gene. Pleople like this annoy me to hell. I really hope that soon enough science comes out with a cure for this. Seriously, if you could even just start to participate in some scientific research programs that could attach some electrodes to your brain and process your way of thinking I think the results would immensely help the CIA into duping the nation of the future into thinking that all the future presidents are the GOAT presidents ever. I mean, just offer up some of your DNA to the research community. I'm sure some clever entrepreneur would at least find a way to use your delusional thought process and at least come up with a solution for guys to trick girls into thinking that they are awesome. OP, you can be a cure for humanity. Don't let yourself go to waste. Donate to science now!

Oh how quickly they turn :roll:

Haters go from calling the Heat the most stacked team in history w/ 3 superstars to saying that the 33 win in the East Cavs w/ Anthony bennett and unproven wiggins are a better contender than the team LeBron went to the finals 4 times with :roll:

[Swaggaboy80six]

This guy is basically doing the opposite, while still in his prime

He went from a team that went to 4 straight finals, with 2 HOF and a GOAT organisation, to the laughing stock of the league who won only 33 games last year

The Cavs have heavily struggled since 2010, never making the playoffs, they also have incompetent management.

LeBron is basically doing the opposite of ringchasing, going to a team full of inexperienced players, instead of staying on a team with Wade, Bosh, and the GOAT GM Riley

Who else in nba history would have the guts to leave a team like Miami, to go a 33 win team full of inexperienced players?

All hail King James :bowdown: :bowdown:
You are so lucky your behind a computer....if I had the chance I would break each one of your fingers for typing some stupid shit like this....fvcking beta son of a bitch....go back and flip burgers your life must suck....die a virgin flying ph^ggot ass mother fvcker :banghead: :mad:

[dubeta]

Oh how quickly they turn :roll:

Haters go from calling the Heat the most stacked team in history w/ 3 superstars to saying that the 33 win in the East Cavs w/ Anthony bennett and unproven wiggins are a better contender than the team LeBron went to the finals 4 times with :roll:

i swear :roll: :lol

Either the Heat are a ultra stacked team, therefore lebron is not a ringchaser for going back to cavs, or the heat were garbage so lebron won rings with a garbage cast

haters cant have it both ways

[SupermanOnSteroids]

Oh how quickly they turn :roll:

Haters go from calling the Heat the most stacked team in history w/ 3 superstars to saying that the 33 win in the East Cavs w/ Anthony bennett and unproven wiggins are a better contender than the team LeBron went to the finals 4 times with :roll:
while your rolling lol smiley faces do amuse me, your post reek purely of semen. probably lebron's semen. maybe he stopped by and came on your face as motivation for you to pump him up on ish.

honestly tell me what would wiggins' stats would be in the next season and the season after that and the season after that. can he play good defense? can he average 19/4/4 with signs of improving in the future? can he play every game possible and not need to have to be given time off to rest his body?

and then there's kyrie/thompson/verajao/waiters to compete against bosh.

that cavs roster is loaded and waiting for lebron.

the cavs didn't just get lebron this year, they also got wiggins, another superstar in the making on rookie salary.

don't act like cleveland isn't an ideal situation for an established superstar to go into.

[Poetry]

He went from a team that went to 4 straight finals, with 2 HOF and a GOAT organisation, to the laughing stock of the league who won only 33 games last year

LeBron left a great situation (with a team that probably peaked, but still had a 2-3 year window to make the Finals) to go to a very good, promising situation (with a team that will probably make the playoffs for the next 10-12 years).

They won 33 games in the East. They were on the verge of being in the playoffs last year.

And as I said elsewhere, if old Jordan was worth +18 wins to the Wizards, prime LeBron should be able to do the same for a much more talented Cavs team, bringing them to 50 wins and hence automatic contention this coming year.

Bron knows what he's doing, and if you can't see that, you're underestimating the intelligence of the best player in the league.

[J Shuttlesworth]

while your rolling lol smiley faces do amuse me, your post reek purely of semen. probably lebron's semen. maybe he stopped by and came on your face as motivation for you to pump him up on ish.


You reek of insecurity. Really? Can't come up with a logical argument so you resort to "LeBron came on your face" :facepalm Pathetic


honestly tell me what would wiggins' stats would be in the next season and the season after that and the season after that. can he play good defense? can he average 19/4/4 with signs of improving in the future? can he play every game possible and not need to have to be given time off to rest his body?
We have no idea wtf wiggins will be. He's never stepped on an NBA court before. He could be bennett part 2 for all we know. Nobody knows his ceiling. What we do know is that you consider Bosh/Wade to be ultra super stars, and there's no way Wiggins will be a superstar his first year in the league.


and then there's kyrie/thompson/verajao/waiters to compete against bosh.
Bosh did far more on the Raptors than these guys have done on the Cavs


the cavs didn't just get lebron this year, they also got wiggins, another superstar in the making on rookie salary.

don't act like cleveland isn't an ideal situation for an established superstar to go into.
Calling people superstars who haven't even played yet :roll:

If Cleveland is really an ideal situation for a superstar, why didn't Melo give them the light of day? Same with Love. He didn't consider them seriously until now that LeBron is there. STFU

[Spurs5Rings2014]

You are so lucky your behind a computer....if I had the chance I would break each one of your fingers for typing some stupid shit like this....fvcking beta son of a bitch....go back and flip burgers your life must suck....die a virgin flying ph^ggot ass mother fvcker :banghead: :mad:

:roll:

[SpecialQue]

Well, with that reasoning you can never call Kobe a "rapist" again, since the rape happened in the past (much like Lebron's ringchasing, which ABSOLUTELY happened).

[dude77]

lebron is as feminine as you can get .. indecisive, unsteady bitch ..

leaves his team when the going gets tough to team up with a ready made team .. once ready made team isn't doing so well, he ditches them to go back after his old team has accumulated talent and potential ..

lets see what he does when/if cleveland starts having problems getting to the finals or winning it on a consistent basis .. this fraud belongs nowhere near the all time greats in terms of mental fortitude .. biggest mental midget of a 'superstar' I've ever seen

[Milbuck]

You are so lucky your behind a computer....if I had the chance I would break each one of your fingers for typing some stupid shit like this....fvcking beta son of a bitch....go back and flip burgers your life must suck....die a virgin flying ph^ggot ass mother fvcker :banghead: :mad:
Your 20Four account isn't banned..use it.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

You reek of insecurity. Really? Can't come up with a logical argument so you resort to "LeBron came on your face" :facepalm Pathetic


We have no idea wtf wiggins will be. He's never stepped on an NBA court before. He could be bennett part 2 for all we know. Nobody knows his ceiling. What we do know is that you consider Bosh/Wade to be ultra super stars, and there's no way Wiggins will be a superstar his first year in the league.


Bosh did far more on the Raptors than these guys have done on the Cavs


Calling people superstars who haven't even played yet :roll:

If Cleveland is really an ideal situation for a superstar, why didn't Melo give them the light of day? Same with Love. He didn't consider them seriously until now that LeBron is there. STFU

lets see your predictions for wiggins. hopefully you can get lebrons balls out of your mouth long enough to make a rational post about it. wiggins is at least 18/5/3 player in his rookie year with excellent defense which is very comparable with wade next year who doesn't even play every game. wiggins will easily be a better compliment than wade to lebron next year.

as far as bosh, so bosh on the raps at 24/10 player at his best is better than a combined force of kyrie at 22/6 and dion waiters at 16/3/3 and anderson verajeo at 14/14. let me know if that computes in your brain.

are the balls out of your mouth yet?

[LBJFTW]

Cleveland is the woman with a black eye that never presses charges and always takes her abusive husband back.

[J Shuttlesworth]

lets see your predictions for wiggins. hopefully you can get lebrons balls out of your mouth long enough to make a rational post about it. wiggins is at least 18/5/3 player in his rookie year with excellent defense which is very comparable with wade next year who doesn't even play every game. wiggins will easily be a better compliment than wade to lebron next year.

as far as bosh, so bosh on the raps at 24/10 player at his best is better than a combined force of kyrie at 22/6 and dion waiters at 16/3/3 and anderson verajeo at 14/14. let me know if that computes in your brain.

are the balls out of your mouth yet?
lol @ comparing Wade to Wiggins. Wade has won 3 rings and has an FMVP and was an MVP candidate. You're comparing that to a guy who potentially could be a bust.

Just answer my question though. Why weren't Melo/Love seriously considering Cleveland if it's such a prime destination for a star? Please answer this

[edrick]

Yeah tough break teaming up with 3 #1 picks. :oldlol:

Yeah, we all know how often #1s turn out to be amazing, right? Totally a given that they won't suck. :rolleyes:

Jordan returned to a team that got pretty far without him. Lebron is returning to a team that can't even make the playoffs without him.

[Sarcastic]

Karl Malone ring chased at the end of his career, and that label still sticks to him. LeBron ring chasing in his prime is a stink he can never wash off.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

lol @ comparing Wade to Wiggins. Wade has won 3 rings and has an FMVP and was an MVP candidate. You're comparing that to a guy who potentially could be a bust.

Just answer my question though. Why weren't Melo/Love seriously considering Cleveland if it's such a prime destination for a star? Please answer this
so tell me your predictions for wiggins for next year. are you sure he will be a bust? let us know please.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

lol @ comparing Wade to Wiggins. Wade has won 3 rings and has an FMVP and was an MVP candidate. You're comparing that to a guy who potentially could be a bust.

Just answer my question though. Why weren't Melo/Love seriously considering Cleveland if it's such a prime destination for a star? Please answer this
Love IS seriously considering Celveland.

[Roundball_Rock]

This guy is basically doing the opposite, while still in his prime

He went from a team that went to 4 straight finals, with 2 HOF and a GOAT organisation, to the laughing stock of the league who won only 33 games last year

The Cavs have heavily struggled since 2010, never making the playoffs, they also have incompetent management.

LeBron is basically doing the opposite of ringchasing, going to a team full of inexperienced players, instead of staying on a team with Wade, Bosh, and the GOAT GM Riley

Who else in nba history would have the guts to leave a team like Miami, to go a 33 win team full of inexperienced players?

All hail King James :bowdown: :bowdown:

:applause: The only thing I can think of that is similar is Michael Schumacher leaving Benetton after winning 2 consecutive championships to the then-downtrodden Ferrari. He turned Ferrari into a juggernaut and this is a big part of his case for GOAT: the other Formula 1 legends moved from top team to top team or stayed on a dominant team; Schumacher took on the challenge of leaving a championship team to revive a mid-pack team and succeeded spectacularly. It would be like if MJ at his peak signed with the Clippers to see if he could win there.


Lower expectations (wilts under pressure) and the team is young and loaded with talent...what's not to love

Weren't you calling them a 4-5 seed in the East just yesterday? He went to that from a squad that was in the Finals for four consecutive years...


He thought staying in Miami and losing in the finals again would have hurt his legacy even more,

The Bulls would have beaten Miami in the ECF.


Haters go from calling the Heat the most stacked team in history w/ 3 superstars to saying that the 33 win in the East Cavs w/ Anthony bennett and unproven wiggins are a better contender than the team LeBron went to the finals 4 times with

:roll:


Either the Heat are a ultra stacked team, therefore lebron is not a ringchaser for going back to cavs, or the heat were garbage so lebron won rings with a garbage cast

haters cant have it both ways

Good point. Which is it LeBron haters? Did LeBron carry scrubs who aren't better than a 33 win team without him or did he leave a stacked team for a young, unproven team?


if old Jordan was worth +18 wins to the Wizards, prime LeBron should be able to do the same for a much more talented Cavs team, bringing them to 50 wins and hence automatic contention this coming year.


That is true but any team with LeBron is an automatic contender. He could have went to the Sixers and made them contenders. There is nothing special about Cleveland at this point other than they have LeBron and some young talent, which will be enough for 50+ wins and contention.


If Cleveland is really an ideal situation for a superstar, why didn't Melo give them the light of day? Same with Love. He didn't consider them seriously until now that LeBron is there.

Excellent point...Cleveland is the GOAT destination but no one other than LeBron even considered Cleveland? :roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Love IS seriously considering Celveland.
Now that LeBron is there :facepalm are you seriously that dense you didn't understand my point? :facepalm

[coin24]

Derp bran joining 30 win team obviously not a ring chaser:lol

No he's joining a team loaded with talent, cap space and a bright future. He knows the cavs can contend the next 4-5 years.. East is depleted dis gone be easy:roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Karl Malone ring chased at the end of his career, and that label still sticks to him. LeBron ring chasing in his prime is a stink he can never wash off.

You can't ring chase in the peak of your career... Only at the end, a helpless player just joining a team with multiple stars, probably already won not too long ago with the same group of guys.

[BuffaloBill]

4 #1 picks on the same team

[Roundball_Rock]

4 #1 picks on the same team

Anthony Bennet put up 4/3/0 on 36% last year...Irving is good but has yet to make an all-NBA team. He likely will be a borderline top 10 player in his prime while being top 15 in others years, i.e. Bosh. Wiggins has not played a single game so we don't know how he will pan out.

[LBJ4MVP23]

In a weak east this Cavs team failed to make the playoffs.

LBJ didnt go to Toronto, the Bulls, or Pacers. He went to a lottery team and will take them to the title.

[Sarcastic]

Anthony Bennet put up 4/3/0 on 36% last year...Irving is good but has yet to make an all-NBA team. He likely will be a borderline top 10 player in his prime while being top 15 in others years, i.e. Bosh. Wiggins has not played a single game so we don't know how he will pan out.

:facepalm

Way to underrate the living shit out of Kyrie. He has an All Star Game MVP, been an All Star twice already, Rookie of the Year award, a max contract extension, and has been routinely put in the top 10 of all players by ESPN. All that at age 22.

[Roundball_Rock]

:facepalm

Way to underrate the living shit out of Kyrie. He has an All Star Game MVP, been an All Star twice already, Rookie of the Year award, a max contract extension, and has been routinely put in the top 10 of all players by ESPN. All that at age 22.

Compare that resume to that of superstars Wade and Bosh...Irving is good but he is no superstar. LeBron just left not one but two superstars to play on a 33 win team with a top 15-20 player, a 4/2/0 bust and a 19 year old who has never played a NBA game. Wade is a FMVP, has been all-NBA first team, has been top 5 in MVP voting twice (3rd in 09') and Bosh is a 9x all-star.

[Blue&Orange]

I guess when LEbron joined the HEat he wasn't ring chasing. I mean the Heat had barely a winning record and was 1st round fodder.

Dude is joining a team with 3 1st picks in 4 years. :roll: The NBA gifted the cavs so that Lebron could ring chase in his "hometown" :roll:

No he isn't a ring chaser :roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

I guess when LEbron joined the HEat he wasn't ring chasing. I mean the Heat had barely a winning record and was 1st round fodder.

Dude is joining a team with 3 1st picks in 4 years. :roll: The NBA gifted the cavs so that Lebron could ring chase in his "hometown" :roll:

No he isn't a ring chaser :roll:
So you think LeBron would have gone to Cleveland if he wasn't from there?

If it's such a stacked roster, why didn't Melo go first, or KLove demand a trade to Cleveland?

[poido123]

So you think LeBron would have gone to Cleveland if he wasn't from there?

If it's such a stacked roster, why didn't Melo go first, or KLove demand a trade to Cleveland?


You're defending lebron because he chose Cleveland a young, stacked Squad?

Oh dear :lol

What happened to your loyalty to the Heat? Fck ing pathetic lebron d.ckrider :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

If it's such a stacked roster, why didn't Melo go first, or KLove demand a trade to Cleveland?

Exactly. That team finished 10th in a weak East. One of the #1 picks has never played and another put up a dominant 4/2/0 on 36% last year. :lol at people acting as if he joined the Clippers, Rockets, Bulls, Mavericks or even the Suns.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You're defending lebron because he chose Cleveland a young, stacked Squad?

Oh dear :lol

What happened to your loyalty to the Heat? Fck ing pathetic lebron d.ckrider :oldlol:
I've always been a self-admitted LeBron fan. No shame about it either. I don't get why people care so much about people who root for players. 90% of the world rooted for Jordan and stopped caring about the bulls after the 2nd 3-peat. Although I'll still follow the Heat, since Wade and Bosh are 2 of my favorite players.

But why not answer my question instead of just using ad hominems? Would LeBron have gone to CLE, a 33 win team, if it wasn't his home town?

If he would have, why didn't Melo go there first, or why didn't K Love demand a trade there? Young stacked roster would be highly attractive for FA's, right?

[catquickspider]

the damage control by lebron stans is funny

somehow this move will delete events that happened in 2010? :lol

:lol @ all the "I respect him now" posts

[J Shuttlesworth]

Exactly. That team finished 10th in a weak East. One of the #1 picks has never played and another put up a dominant 4/2/0 on 36% last year. :lol at people acting as if he joined the Clippers, Rockets, Bulls, Mavericks or even the Suns.
Yeah I don't get it. No free agents wanted to go to Cleveland until LeBron returned... and now people are acting like it was the most attractive free agency destination. Young stacked roster... you ****ing kidding me?

[Roundball_Rock]

Yeah I don't get it. No free agents wanted to go to Cleveland until LeBron returned... and now people are acting like it was the most attractive free agency destination. Young stacked roster... you ****ing kidding me?

Yup. What makes it even funnier is the people who scream "STACKED" the loudest when it comes to LeBron are Jordan, Kobe, Durant stans of all people...

[Hey Yo]

:facepalm

James to Miami was collusion and ringchasing at its best, no one can erase that stain in his legacy.

I do respect him a bit more now that he went back to the cavs, but its not like the cavs are horrible, they are probably the team in the nba with the most potencial in the league, with a ton of assets, and are still trying to get love.
Cavs without love are easily a top 3 team in the east, and without lebron they would prolly make the playoffs this season
What did James and the Heat do that was illegal and against the NBA rules?

[knicksman]

So you think LeBron would have gone to Cleveland if he wasn't from there?

If it's such a stacked roster, why didn't Melo go first, or KLove demand a trade to Cleveland?

lebron is all bark but no teeth. His skills arent for winning rings but for winning MVPs. And he lost twice with the most stacked team in history while being in the weakest era. So dont expect bran would still be winning rings unless he becomes KAJ to wiggins(magic)

[J Shuttlesworth]

lebron is all bark but no teeth. His skills arent for winning rings but for winning MVPs. And he lost twice with the most stacked team in history while being in the weakest era. So dont expect bran would still be winning rings unless he becomes KAJ to wiggins(magic)
So Melo and the Knicks can only get 37 wins in the weakest era in the weakest conference? How does that make you feel as a Knicks fan?

And lol @ a 2 time champion's skills aren't built for winning rings :roll:

[Just2McFly]

there are so many shit heads that need to be banned

[MavsSuperFan]

lebron showed so much class in how he left the heat, I think he is now americas favorite athlete. I am now a fan once again. Lebron:applause:

[knicksman]

So Melo and the Knicks can only get 37 wins in the weakest era in the weakest conference? How does that make you feel as a Knicks fan?

And lol @ a 2 time champion's skills aren't built for winning rings :roll:

LOL at you for thinking lebrons skills cant win if he has 2 superstars on his team.

[LeBird]

J Shuttlesworth bitch-slapping with dat unarguable logic.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Yeah, we all know how often #1s turn out to be amazing, right? Totally a given that they won't suck. :rolleyes:

Jordan returned to a team that got pretty far without him. Lebron is returning to a team that can't even make the playoffs without him.


Question 1: How important was it to get the first overall pick?

That spot yielded two superduperstars (LeBron and Duncan), two all-timers (Howard and Iverson), three franchise guys (Davis, Rose and Griffin) and five All-Stars (Irving, Wall, Yao, Brand and Martin). Three others (Joe Smith, Andrea Bargnani and Andrew Bogut) became quality starters for a few years. Three crapped out: Greg Oden, Kwame Brown and Michael Olowokandi. And it’s too soon to decide on Anthony Bennett, especially if you have a soft spot for undersized, poorly conditioned forwards who suffer from sleep apnea. (I’m a sap, but I still think he’ll be a top-five player from that draft.) The final numbers: In six of the last 19 drafts, the first pick became the best player in his draft. Twelve of 19 times, he became one of the three best picks.

(My conclusion: It’s good to get the no. 1 overall pick. Wow, aren’t you glad I’m here! Hold on, this is about to get more interesting.)

#1 picks have a pretty good track record overall

Roughly

10% chance of being a legendary player
20% chance of being at least a HOFer
35% chance of being at least a franchise player
60% chance of being at least an all star
75% chance of being at least a quality starter

:confusedshrug:

[knicksman]

J Shuttlesworth bitch-slapping with dat unarguable logic.

LOL coming from a bran stan who thinks bran>>>jordan. How does it feels to be low IQ brah?:lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

LOL coming from a bran stan who thinks bran>>>jordan. How does it feels to be low IQ brah?:lol
How bout refuting my logic instead of making personal attacks?

[funnystuff]

I guess when LEbron joined the HEat he wasn't ring chasing. I mean the Heat had barely a winning record and was 1st round fodder.

Dude is joining a team with 3 1st picks in 4 years. :roll: The NBA gifted the cavs so that Lebron could ring chase in his "hometown" :roll:

No he isn't a ring chaser :roll:
So mad :roll: :roll: :roll:

He had a MUCH MUCH MUCH better/promising situation in Miami. People that say this kind of stuff really must not have a very good grasp of the sport.

[knicksman]

How bout refuting my logic instead of making personal attacks?

I refuted it brah. And as for the knicks. yeah coz the knicks have a history of building great teams right. LOL too easy brah

[J Shuttlesworth]

I refuted it brah. And as for the knicks. yeah coz the knicks have a history of building great teams right. LOL too easy brah
No you didn't. Why wasn't Melo trying to join the Cavs before lebron signed if the Cavs were really the most stacked team for a super star to join? Why wasn't KLove trying to be traded over there? Awaiting the answers.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

So mad :roll: :roll: :roll:

He had a MUCH MUCH MUCH better/promising situation in Miami. People that say this kind of stuff really must not have a very good grasp of the sport.

So true... Lebron passed on the opportunity to play with Danny Granger and Josh Mcroberts

[Yao Ming's Foot]

No you didn't. Why wasn't Melo trying to join the Cavs before lebron signed if the Cavs were really the most stacked team for a super star to join? Why wasn't KLove trying to be traded over there? Awaiting the answers.

Because Melo wants cash and Love has no need to force a trade he will be a free agent soon. :confusedshrug:

[Blue&Orange]

So mad :roll: :roll: :roll:

He had a MUCH MUCH MUCH better/promising situation in Miami. People that say this kind of stuff really must not have a very good grasp of the sport.
yo retard 3 n

[Sarcastic]

Compare that resume to that of superstars Wade and Bosh...Irving is good but he is no superstar. LeBron just left not one but two superstars to play on a 33 win team with a top 15-20 player, a 4/2/0 bust and a 19 year old who has never played a NBA game. Wade is a FMVP, has been all-NBA first team, has been top 5 in MVP voting twice (3rd in 09') and Bosh is a 9x all-star.


Why would I compare his resume to Wade and Bosh? Ever heard of context?

[Droid101]

So... now all of a sudden to all these bran bandwagoners, Wade and Bosh are an unstoppable force and LeBron is taking the hard path in Cleveland. Whereas about one week ago they were screaming about how LeBron had to do everything and his team sucks and he carries scrubs.

Never change.

[LeBird]

LOL coming from a bran stan who thinks bran>>>jordan. How does it feels to be low IQ brah?:lol

Er, when have I rated Lebron over Jordan all-time? That one backfired on you son. :lol

[funnystuff]

[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]yo retard 3 n

[knicksman]

No you didn't. Why wasn't Melo trying to join the Cavs before lebron signed if the Cavs were really the most stacked team for a super star to join? Why wasn't KLove trying to be traded over there? Awaiting the answers.

my bad. i didnt realized I quoted you. cavs have a shit FO so I dont think players trust them but in terms of talent. Thats alot of top 5 picks.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

FOUR #1 draft picks and possibly the best PF in basketball, but nah Lebron just went to the Cavs cause he was "homesick" :rolleyes:

[funnystuff]

FOUR #1 draft picks and possibly the best PF in basketball, but nah Lebron just went to the Cavs cause he was "homesick" :rolleyes:
Four huh? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Four huh? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Bennett, Wiggins, Irving and LeBron :confusedshrug:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Because Melo wants cash and Love has no need to force a trade he will be a free agent soon. :confusedshrug:
Melo would've gotten a max contract w/ the Heat

[PickernRoller]

Lol at these LeTards. Lebron is a primadonna, a professional colluder and an all-time great ring chaser. 2/5, not Top 10.

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Michael-Jackson-Deal-With-It-Gif.gif

[Rose'sACL]

Lower expectations (wilts under pressure) and the team is young and loaded with talent...what's not to love :confusedshrug:
According to me MJ is the GOAT but i really hated when he quit when he had that pressure of 4-peating. not done in the modern era and he had all that pressure which resulted in him just quitting.
Did you hate that?

[Nowitness]

Well he can because he did...

I guess Wayne Gacy can never be called a killer again as he did pretty much did the opposite by dying himself.

[Lakers2877]

Anthony Bennett :facepalm

Well I guess kobe choked with the 2005-2007 lakers since he couldnt do much with Odom, Bynum and #1 pick Kwame Brown, damn that team shouldve won a championship
Lol at going right after Kobe because of his post. Obsessed much?

[tontoz]

This guy is basically doing the opposite, while still in his prime

He went from a team that went to 4 straight finals, with 2 HOF and a GOAT organisation, to the laughing stock of the league who won only 33 games last year

The Cavs have heavily struggled since 2010, never making the playoffs, they also have incompetent management.

LeBron is basically doing the opposite of ringchasing, going to a team full of inexperienced players, instead of staying on a team with Wade, Bosh, and the GOAT GM Riley

Who else in nba history would have the guts to leave a team like Miami, to go a 33 win team full of inexperienced players?

All hail King James :bowdown: :bowdown:



He can opt out after one year so he leaves himself the option of ring chasing next summer.


But don't let that get in the way of your hero worship.

[funnystuff]

Bennett, Wiggins, Irving and LeBron :confusedshrug:
So you are saying "Four draft picks" to contribute to your current anti-cleveland agenda based on a draft pick 11 years ago?

I know you've heard of reaching but you just lost your damn arm brah. :roll:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Melo would've gotten a max contract w/ the Heat

Knicks MAX is larger than Heat MAX

:biggums:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So you are saying "Four draft picks" to contribute to your current anti-cleveland agenda based on a draft pick 11 years ago?

I know you've heard of reaching but you just lost your damn arm brah. :roll:

So you're saying LeBron is washed up?

In what world is pointing out that Cleveland has FOUR #1 draft picks w/ the potential to sign THE best PF in basketball..."reaching"?

[deja vu]

You can't erase history bro. Just because Germany is helping a lot of poor countries nowadays doesn't mean that the Holocaust didn't happen. Something like that.

[funnystuff]

So you're saying LeBron is washed up?

In what world is pointing out that Cleveland has FOUR #1 draft picks w/ the potential to sign THE best PF in basketball..."reaching"?
11 years ago.

4 #1 picks in 11 years is not revolutionary.

Stick with 3 in 4 years if you want to get your brainless point across.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

11 years ago.

4 #1 picks in 11 years is not revolutionary.

Stick with 3 in 4 years if you want to get your brainless point across.

Name a team that has ever had FOUR #1 picks in 11 years.

I'll wait, cupcake.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Knicks MAX is larger than Heat MAX

:biggums:
No state income tax makes a big difference with that kind of money. I actually meant Cavs, not Heat though.

He considered other teams who couldn't offer as much as the Knicks. He didn't even CONSIDER cleveland.

[funnystuff]

Name a team that has ever had FOUR #1 picks in 11 years.

I'll wait, cupcake.
I understand that its rare, i never said other teams have pulled it off.

I simply said it is NOT revolutionary quite like 3 #1s in 4 years. Reading comprehension my friend.

All I am saying is, stick with 3 out 4 instead of 4 of out 11 for your anti-cleveland agenda, it has much more meaning. :cheers:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

No state income tax makes a big difference with that kind of money. I actually meant Cavs, not Heat though.

He considered other teams who couldn't offer as much as the Knicks. He didn't even CONSIDER cleveland.

How can he consider him an offer from them if he was never even offered a contract?

:facepalm

[bagelred]

Kyrie Irving
Anderson Varajao
Tristan Thompson
Dion Waiters
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins

Not to mention Lebron's friends who will be following him: Ray Allen, Mike Miller, etc.

No, he's not ring chasing. :oldlol: The Heat were on the downslope and he "Sold High". He knew he was carrying that team...time to hookup with some big time young talent in his home town. Too perfect.

What a great story. :rolleyes: :lol

[funnystuff]

Kyrie Irving
Anderson Varajao
Tristan Thompson
Dion Waiters
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins

Not to mention Lebron's friends who will be following him: Ray Allen, Mike Miller, etc.

No, he's not ring chasing. :oldlol: The Heat were on the downslope and he "Sold High". He knew he was carrying that team...time to hookup with some big time young talent in his home town. Too perfect.

What a great story. :rolleyes: :lol
Tell me good sir, how many wins does that roster get if Lebron was excluded?

Do they eclipse 40? I wouldn't put my money on it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I understand that its rare, i never said other teams have pulled it off.

I simply said it is NOT revolutionary quite like 3 #1s in 4 years. Reading comprehension my friend.

All I am saying is, stick with 3 out 4 instead of 4 of out 11 for your anti-cleveland agenda, it has much more meaning. :cheers:

Why when the guy 11 years ago is a revolutionary himself? :confusedshrug:

I appreciate your concern, but I LOVE seeing FOUR #1 draft picks within 11 years. The unparallelled Cavs :bowdown:

[bagelred]

Tell me good sir, how many wins does that roster get if Lebron was excluded?

Do they eclipse 40? I wouldn't put my money on it.

Well, obviously, any team that Lebron joins, the team gets much better right?

Yes, probably eclipse 40 but it'll take a couple more years for Bennett and Wiggins to contribute at a high level.

But if you don't think that's big time talent next to Lebron, I mean, c'mon now...lol...

Plus, I'd be shocked if Wiggins doesn't turn into Kevin Love or another big time player.

[funnystuff]

Why when the guy 11 years ago is a revolutionary himself? :confusedshrug:

I appreciate your concern, but I LOVE seeing FOUR #1 draft picks within 11 years. The unparallelled Cavs :bowdown:
I am with you on the fact that 4 picks in 11 years is either VERY lucky or there is some inside information that isn't public. But thinking about 3 out of 4 doubles those feelings.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I am with you on the fact that 4 picks in 11 years is either VERY lucky or there is some inside information that isn't public. But thinking about 3 out of 4 doubles those feelings.

But then we don't get to include LeBron in the fun :hammerhead:

If Kevin Love becomes a Cav doe...
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1154114/oh-snap-o.gif

[funnystuff]

But then we don't get to include LeBron in the fun :hammerhead:

If Kevin Love becomes a Cav doe...
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1154114/oh-snap-o.gif
"Oh Sh*t" would be the whole leagues reaction :lol

[funnystuff]

Well, obviously, any team that Lebron joins, the team gets much better right?

Yes, probably eclipse 40 but it'll take a couple more years for Bennett and Wiggins to contribute at a high level.

But if you don't think that's big time talent next to Lebron, I mean, c'mon now...lol...

Plus, I'd be shocked if Wiggins doesn't turn into Kevin Love or another big time player.
Great potentional, yes. Strictly speaking of just next year, Miami is the better option by a good bit. But in the long run I believe this Cavs squad could get very scary.

[Xiengqichess]

He's chasing rings in Cleveland. They have three number one picks. If he stayed in Miami, I'd respect him more. You don't give up a four time finalist to go to better situation.

[FLDFSU]

i swear some of you mf'ers here don't think past the hour.

Cav's are fukking loaded

Heat are on major decline with a huge roadblock in their way they're likely to never get past

figure it out

If the Cleveland Cavaliers are loaded, then how come there wasn't one big free agent to sign with them before Lebron?

[J Shuttlesworth]

How can he consider him an offer from them if he was never even offered a contract?

:facepalm
You say this as if Melo wasn't talking to the Bulls, or Lakers, or Knicks before they offered him a contract.

Or Love didn't go visit the Celtics at the end of the season

You really think if Melo saw Cleveland as a good destination, he wouldn't have had his agent make a call?

[ILLsmak]

:facepalm

Way to underrate the living shit out of Kyrie. He has an All Star Game MVP, been an All Star twice already, Rookie of the Year award, a max contract extension, and has been routinely put in the top 10 of all players by ESPN. All that at age 22.

when someone mentioned, back when AB was sucking, that Bron might come back... I thought AB might actually be good on the same squad as Bron.

The fact that they're trying to flip for Love is kind of funny given that they have guys already. I'd keep AB, he seems like he can be a good player... he's just not ready to be a number 1 pick type. He can be PF or Bron can be PF... they should maybe flip Waiters for a decent C. What they don't have, at all, is shooting, but if they can sign some min free agent spacers, they will be good2go.

Not sure Love would be the answer to that team.

-Smak

[J Shuttlesworth]

Kyrie Irving
Anderson Varajao
Tristan Thompson
Dion Waiters
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins

Not to mention Lebron's friends who will be following him: Ray Allen, Mike Miller, etc.

No, he's not ring chasing. :oldlol: The Heat were on the downslope and he "Sold High". He knew he was carrying that team...time to hookup with some big time young talent in his home town. Too perfect.

What a great story. :rolleyes: :lol
Curious... why wouldn't he go to a team that had better talent? He could've joined the Mavs, or Rockets who would easily be much stronger contenders than the Heat or the Cavs. Hell, even the Suns have young fresh talent and he could turn them into contenders. The Suns had a much better season than the Cavs last year.

[FLDFSU]

Oh how quickly they turn :roll:

Haters go from calling the Heat the most stacked team in history w/ 3 superstars to saying that the 33 win in the East Cavs w/ Anthony bennett and unproven wiggins are a better contender than the team LeBron went to the finals 4 times with :roll:

It's embarrassing. Suddenly the Heat are garbage with Wade and Bosh (the superstars per ISH) and the Cavs are this amazing 33 win team (in the weakest conference of all time per ISH)

[plowking]

How are people twisting this into Lebron somehow being the hero now? :oldlol:

He went back to Cleveland, good for him. But he clearly went there because the team is better over there, younger and is on an upward slope.
I still like the guy, probably still my favorite or there abouts player in the league, but lets not act like he is going back to trash or that he is doing something courageous here. :oldlol:
He's smart this time around... This Cavs team is clearly good enough to win this year, and he's downplayed expectations as soon as he signed. Good for him, but I have them as favorites and I'm sure most others do.

[FLDFSU]

while your rolling lol smiley faces do amuse me, your post reek purely of semen. probably lebron's semen. maybe he stopped by and came on your face as motivation for you to pump him up on ish.

honestly tell me what would wiggins' stats would be in the next season and the season after that and the season after that. can he play good defense? can he average 19/4/4 with signs of improving in the future? can he play every game possible and not need to have to be given time off to rest his body?

and then there's kyrie/thompson/verajao/waiters to compete against bosh.

that cavs roster is loaded and waiting for lebron.

the cavs didn't just get lebron this year, they also got wiggins, another superstar in the making on rookie salary.

don't act like cleveland isn't an ideal situation for an established superstar to go into.

Then why isn't Love, Melo, Bosh, Wade, Deng, etc itching to go to the cavs?

[Brokenbeat]

LeBron James: The Yoko Ono of The Heatles:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/11/lebron-james-the-yoko-ono-of-the-heatles.html


Nice little read. :oldlol:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You say this as if Melo wasn't talking to the Bulls, or Lakers, or Knicks before they offered him a contract.

Or Love didn't go visit the Celtics at the end of the season

You really think if Melo saw Cleveland as a good destination, he wouldn't have had his agent make a call?

No I don't think Melo would waste his agent's time with a call to Cleveland when they had no interest in him with Lebron on the market. He already had max offers from other teams on the table and an extra year from the Knicks. He's not some try hard scrub begging for other teams to pay attention to him. :facepalm

It would be illegal for Kevin Love to meet with the Celtics. It never happened.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Then why isn't Love, Melo, Bosh, Wade, Deng, etc itching to go to the cavs?

Because they have no cap space?:facepalm

[FLDFSU]

Because they have no cap space?:facepalm

Then how did Lebron just sign a 2 year 42 million contract with the Cavs?

[plowking]

Then how did Lebron just sign a 2 year 42 million contract with the Cavs?

Because they had room for one... and they waited... you know... for Lebron... the hometown hero...

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Then how did Lebron just sign a 2 year 42 million contract with the Cavs?

The Cavs just made salary dump trades a few days ago to be able to offer the max just for him. You think they are chasing Deng in the middle of trying to bring Lebron back?

[DaSeba5]

LeBron went to Miami because he wanted to win titles and stack the odds in his favor with his friends. LeBron went back to Cleveland because they have a younger, better team than Miami. Even if he stayed in Miami, the Decision will always be part of his legacy. He would always be seen as a ring chaser by people.

[FLDFSU]

Because they had room for one... and they waited... you know... for Lebron... the hometown hero...

If they had room for one, then why didn't Melo, Love, Bosh, Wade, Deng, or any other free agent capable of being an all-star even go for a visit to Cleveland?

You hear of a number of free agents interested in Dallas, Rockets, LA, and Bulls...yet the BEST destination (Cleveland) is ignored?

Please explain.

[FLDFSU]

The Cavs just made salary dump trades a few days ago to be able to offer the max just for him. You think they are chasing Deng in the middle of trying to bring Lebron back?

So let me get this straight. Lebron has some x-ray vision where ONLY he and his agents/people can see the greatness of the 33 win Cleveland team?

The BEST team for an established superstar to go--with the ability to clear cap space for a max player--EVERY major free agent missed--- but Lebron.

Cleveland--this team that is on the brink of greatness and glory--is being COMPLETELY ignored...but only ISH and Lebron sees the amazing potential of this roster.

For at least 10 days, Melo and Wade and Bosh and Deng and Lowry and every other all-star free agent doesn't so much as look at Cleveland, but ONLY Lebron and ISH knows the secret potential of the Cavs.

[Droid101]

For at least 10 days, Melo and Wade and Bosh and Deng and Lowry and every other all-star free agent doesn't so much as look at Cleveland, but ONLY Lebron and ISH knows the secret potential of the Cavs.
Uh, Melo did look at the Cavs actually, they made a pitch for him.

Wade isn't going anywhere.

Bosh was never going anywhere.

Lowry is a PG, why sign on a team where their best player is a PG?

You're a clown.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

So let me get this straight. Lebron has some x-ray vision where ONLY he and his agents/people can see the greatness of the 33 win Cleveland team?

The BEST team for an established superstar to go--with the ability to clear cap space for a max player--EVERY major free agent missed--- but Lebron.

Cleveland--this team that is on the brink of greatness and glory--is being COMPLETELY ignored...but only ISH and Lebron sees the amazing potential of this roster.

For at least 10 days, Melo and Wade and Bosh and Deng and Lowry and every other all-star free agent doesn't so much as look at Cleveland, but ONLY Lebron and ISH knows the secret potential of the Cavs.

Are you simple or something?

The Cavs had Max cap space for 3 days and only offered it to Lebron. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

[plowking]

So let me get this straight. Lebron has some x-ray vision where ONLY he and his agents/people can see the greatness of the 33 win Cleveland team?

No, but clearly Cleveland were an all in team at this point, with all attention going to Lebron, since they believed they had a great shot.
They aren't a 33 win team either, they're a good bit better than that. Probably 40 win, and playoff seed last season if fully healthy. They dealt with a lot of injuries last season, and on the premise of natural progression and learning curve of younger players, they're a 40 win team regardless of Bron joining or not with the addition of Wiggins and improvement of others.


Cleveland--this team that is on the brink of greatness and glory--is being COMPLETELY ignored...but only ISH and Lebron sees the amazing potential of this roster.


Sarcasm is great when you're getting burned in a debate. They clearly are on the verge of something great, regardless of Bron joining. You have the most hyped rookie since Lebron joining, a great PG, great young talent from top to bottom, a balanced team, etc.
They clearly were one piece away from being great, and Lebron is that piece. It doesn't take away from the greatness of Bron, since he is the best in the league, and in my opinion the 2nd or 3rd best player ever at his best, but he isn't joining some no good team with a so-so future.
Cavs have the most upside of any team in the league.

[houston]

he is going to kyrie irving team

[GimmeThat]

well, the only way for him to not be called a "colluder" or "ringchaser" would have been to stay with the Heat and kicked out Wade and Bosh.

Because even if they took pay cuts, he still wouldn't be able to win this argument.

He would need to collude with Riley and kick those two out of town and hoping other teams pay them big bucks so they can save face.

He might not be called the ringchaser in this case.



human reasons?


actually, I don't even know why he plays on a team, instead of just playing all by himself.

[LeBird]

Sarcasm is great when you're getting burned in a debate. They clearly are on the verge of something great, regardless of Bron joining. You have the most hyped rookie since Lebron joining, a great PG, great young talent from top to bottom, a balanced team, etc.
They clearly were one piece away from being great, and Lebron is that piece. It doesn't take away from the greatness of Bron, since he is the best in the league, and in my opinion the 2nd or 3rd best player ever at his best, but he isn't joining some no good team with a so-so future.
Cavs have the most upside of any team in the league.

As of right now, all this is speculation. They're not a great team by any stretch of the imagination. They only become relevant because of Lebron.

[Blue&Orange]

Anthony Bennet man :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: that statline was one of the best of any players rookie year.

One of those picks is a bust atm, one is unproven and one has killer handles.

But that alone(because the Cavs offer NOTHING outside of those players...coaching etc.) is supposed to be better than Wade/Bosh/Granger + Miamis front office and coaching???

33 wins.

Please kiddo, take a seat.
yo retard why didn't lebron demanded the cavs to trade their "crappy" players for Wade and Bosh? lol

I mean he would be so much better off with Wade and Bosh right now in the cavs :roll:

[pauk]

:facepalm

James to Miami was collusion and ringchasing at its best, no one can erase that stain in his legacy.

I do respect him a bit more now that he went back to the cavs, but its not like the cavs are horrible, they are probably the team in the nba with the most potencial in the league, with a ton of assets, and are still trying to get love.
Cavs without love are easily a top 3 team in the east, and without lebron they would prolly make the playoffs this season

You really think he would join that team if it was not the Cavs?
You really think he has a higher chance of winning by joining that team?
You really think Miami had no chance of winning a couple of more championships next few years if he stayed?

Stop.... no matter how you want to twist and turn it, this is the most opposite to ringchasing move any player of his stature has ever done in NBA history.... He very literally gave up championships (a team which HE transitioned into championship standards) to join the what has been since his very departure in 2009 overall the worst team in the NBA, why? The only reason behind that is as he very thoroughly explains in his letter.... home.... he doesnt care about championships in that context, he cares about a championship only if it lands in Cleveland....

[coin24]

You really think he would join that team if it was not the Cavs?
You really think he has a higher chance of winning by joining that team?
You really think Miami had no chance of winning a couple of more championships next few years if he stayed?

Stop.... no matter how you want to twist and turn it, this is the most opposite to ringchasing move any player of his stature has ever done in NBA history.... He very literally gave up championships (a team which HE transitioned into championship standards) to join the what has been since his very departure in 2009 overall the worst team in the NBA, why? The only reason behind that is as he very thoroughly explains in his letter.... home.... he doesnt care about championships in that context, he cares about a championship only if it lands in Cleveland....


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh pauk you're killing me:lol :lol

[ImKobe]

that 33 win team added a #1 pick in Andrew Wiggins and is most likely to land a top 5 PF in the league and then you add Lebron to that team. Oh, and they replaced Mike Brown with one of the more respected & successful coaches in the basketball world.

If you removed Lebron from the 2013-14 Heat, how many games would they have won with Wade missing that many games?

[Blue&Orange]

Stop.... no matter how you want to twist and turn it, this is the most opposite to ringchasing move any player of his stature has ever done in NBA history.... He very literally gave up championships (a team which HE transitioned into championship standards) to join the what has been since his very departure in 2009 overall the worst team in the NBA
:lol Dude i've said numerous times, i say it again, you have serious mental issues, seek professional help.

LEbron left a team that was EMBARRASSED in the finals, a team that is a tax repeater, that HAD NO CHANCE of improving for a team with 3 n

[MP.Trey]

I just love the double standard, how when LeBron decided to sign here, we turned from a team full of draft busts that couldn't even make the playoffs in the East, to a championship caliber supporting cast with all the young talent in the world.

We need to be taught how to win, as a team and as an organization and that is not an overnight thing. This situation is better for LeBron for legacy and long-term aspirations, but as far as the short term, winning a championship right away, he very very likely would be better off in Miami.

[FLDFSU]

No, but clearly Cleveland were an all in team at this point, with all attention going to Lebron, since they believed they had a great shot.
They aren't a 33 win team either, they're a good bit better than that. Probably 40 win, and playoff seed last season if fully healthy. They dealt with a lot of injuries last season, and on the premise of natural progression and learning curve of younger players, they're a 40 win team regardless of Bron joining or not with the addition of Wiggins and improvement of others.



Sarcasm is great when you're getting burned in a debate. They clearly are on the verge of something great, regardless of Bron joining. You have the most hyped rookie since Lebron joining, a great PG, great young talent from top to bottom, a balanced team, etc.
They clearly were one piece away from being great, and Lebron is that piece. It doesn't take away from the greatness of Bron, since he is the best in the league, and in my opinion the 2nd or 3rd best player ever at his best, but he isn't joining some no good team with a so-so future.
Cavs have the most upside of any team in the league.

Let's do a little research, shall we?

A week ago, the world knew that Irving, Wiggins, and Blatt would be on the 2014-2015 Cavs team, correct:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/07/with_lebron_james_returning_cl.html

"Even the defending champion San Antonio Spurs, with 5-1 odds, are less of a favorite than the Cavs. Clearly, oddsmakers have been expecting a major shift in future betting cash on the Cavaliers -- the team was approximately 80-1 a week ago and odds have been falling as the possibility grew of a return to Ohio."

The Cavs are now a 4 to 1 favorite to win the title next season.

http://www.oddschecker.com/basketball/nba/nba-championship/winner/bet-history/cleveland-cavaliers/today

So prior to the decision part two, the Cavaliers with all their young talent and amazing potential held one of the worst positions per Vegas to win a ring. In addition, and as evident, no big time free agent were visiting the Cavaliers. Chicago, Dallas, Houston, even the Los Angeles Lakers were being visited and explored as possible destinations where NBA players could grow, establish, develop into NBA champions.

You guys are full of shit.

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As of right now, all this is speculation. They're not a great team by any stretch of the imagination. They only become relevant because of Lebron.

Exactly. The Cavs have a ton of potential but right now they are a team that would be projected to win 40 games absent LeBron. If LeBron wanted to ring chase he could have joined guaranteed contenders like the Bulls, Clippers, Rockets, Mavericks, the Suns (the Suns would be legitimate contenders with LeBron)--or he could have remained in Miami with a team that had been to four consecutive Finals, a GM who has proven he can build contenders from scratch numerous times (Riley did it within a year as a coach in New York, within a year of getting to Miami in the mid-90's, rebuild them in the mid-2000's after Zo's health problems, and then again in 2010). Even if Miami is on the descent, they still were the favorite to win the East with LeBron and Riley has proven he can quickly improve teams. Cleveland is a much bigger gamble than Miami.


that 33 win team added a #1 pick in Andrew Wiggins and is most likely to land a top 5 PF in the league and then you add Lebron to that team

Wiggins is 19 years old. What impact is he going to have in his first two years? Love is, again, speculation--and that likely will require dealing said #1 pick.


If you removed Lebron from the 2013-14 Heat, how many games would they have won with Wade missing that many games?

Most stacked team of all-time with LeBron but scrubs without him? :confusedshrug:


I just love the double standard, how when LeBron decided to sign here, we turned from a team full of draft busts that couldn't even make the playoffs in the East, to a championship caliber supporting cast with all the young talent in the world.

Great point. The East is weak whenever it is convenient to diminish LeBron but now the 10th place team in the East is being hyped as a juggernaut? :roll: