All-time 1st team and 2nd team - Including what year.

[Magic 32]

All-time 1st team

PG: Magic (1986-87)
SG: Jordan (1991-92)
SF: Bird (1985-86)
PF: Duncan (2002-03)
C: Russell (1961-62)

All-time 2nd team

PG: Oscar (1961-62)
SG: Kobe (2005-06)
SF: Lebron (2011-12)
PF: Malone (1989-90)
C: KAJ (1971-72)

Here I'm not just looking at the stats, but also the ability to control the game and take it to another level when needed.

[plowking]

You couldn't bring yourself to put Lebron in the first team just because you know Kobe can't make it. :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

You couldn't bring yourself to put Lebron in the first team just because you know Kobe can't make it. :oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R76nMD8buR8

[SHAQisGOAT]

Going with peaks..


1st:

Magic 86-87
Jordan 90-91
Bird 85-86
Duncan 02-03
Kareem 76-77


2nd:

Oscar 61-62
Kobe 05-06
LeBron 11-12
Barkley 92-93 or KG 03-04
Shaq 99-00

[SHAQisGOAT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R76nMD8buR8

:bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

All-time 1st team

PG: Magic (1986-87)
SG: Jordan (1991-92)
SF: Bird (1985-86)
PF: Duncan (2002-03)
C: Russell (1961-62)

All-time 2nd team

PG: Oscar (1961-62)
SG: Kobe (2005-06)
SF: Lebron (2011-12)
PF: Malone (1989-90)
C: KAJ (1971-72)

Here I'm not just looking at the stats, but also the ability to control the game and take it to another level when needed.

Interesting take with Russell who was SECOND TEAM ALL-NBA in 61-62, behind you-know-who...

[Magic 32]

Barkley 92-93 or KG 03-04



Over 89-90 Malone?

31 ppg, 11 rpg on 56% shooting.

[Dave3]

Most of the time someone puts 2012 LeBron over 2009 LeBron I think they didn't watch both players and over simplify everything to championship = better player. 2012 couldn't average 40 ppg in a series and he couldn't take over a game the same way he had done 3 years prior. Or maybe he could, but we definitely didn't see it, whereas it was obviously evident in 2009. If you take 2006 Kobe over 2008 or 2009 Kobe, then 2009 LeBron should definitely be above 2012.

[Magic 32]

Interesting take with Russell who was SECOND TEAM ALL-NBA in 61-62, behind you-know-who...

Both Wilt and Russell had superhuman stats in 1962.

But I'm not sure anyone could play with 62 Wilt in any meaningful kind of way.

[LAZERUSS]

All-time 1st team

PG: Magic (1986-87)
SG: Jordan (1991-92)
SF: Bird (1985-86)
PF: Duncan (2002-03)
C: Russell (1961-62)

All-time 2nd team

PG: Oscar (1961-62)
SG: Kobe (2005-06)
SF: Lebron (2011-12)
PF: Malone (1989-90)
C: KAJ (1971-72)

Here I'm not just looking at the stats, but also the ability to control the game and take it to another level when needed.

First Team:

PF: Duncan 02-03
SF: Lebron 12-13
C: Wilt (take a pick...65-66, 66-67, 67-68...most dominant center of all-time)
SG: MJ 90-91
PG: Magic 86-87

Second Team:

PF: Dirk 10-11
SF: Bird 85-86
C: KAJ at his PEAK, either 70-71 or 71-72 (but including post-season..70-71)
SG: Kobe 05-06
PG: Oscar 62-63

[SHAQisGOAT]

Over 89-90 Malone?

31 ppg, 11 rpg on 56% shooting.

As far as peaks, probably yea, still very close and I got Karl above on the all-time list due to longevity (giving him the edge) and other "things".

[LAZERUSS]

Both Wilt and Russell had superhuman stats in 1962.

But I'm not sure anyone could play with 62 Wilt in any meaningful way.

Chamberlain ABUSED Russell EVERY single season they were in the league together. In the 61-62 season, he averaged 40 ppg against him in 10 H2H games. But he was even more dominant, overall, in the 64-65 post-season, and all of his 65-66 and 66-67 seasons (both regular season and post-season.)

I have posted the numbers before, but he was routinely outscoring Russell by 15 ppg, outrebounding him by five per game, and outshooting him by 15% in their H2H's.

[Magic 32]

Most of the time someone puts 2012 LeBron over 2009 LeBron I think they didn't watch both players and over simplify everything to championship = better player. 2012 couldn't average 40 ppg in a series and he couldn't take over a game the same way he had done 3 years prior. Or maybe he could, but we definitely didn't see it, whereas it was obviously evident in 2009. If you take 2006 Kobe over 2008 or 2009 Kobe, then 2009 LeBron should definitely be above 2012.

In the first two round of the 2009 playoffs, Lebron played very much like he did in 2012 and 2013.

The way he played against Orlando was kind of detructive to his team.

http://s27.postimg.org/9xs12avcj/4534.png

[red1]

Most of the time someone puts 2012 LeBron over 2009 LeBron I think they didn't watch both players and over simplify everything to championship = better player. 2012 couldn't average 40 ppg in a series and he couldn't take over a game the same way he had done 3 years prior. Or maybe he could, but we definitely didn't see it, whereas it was obviously evident in 2009. If you take 2006 Kobe over 2008 or 2009 Kobe, then 2009 LeBron should definitely be above 2012.
agreed 100%

[Bless Mathews]

Peak Shaq has got to be on there.

[LAZERUSS]

Peak Shaq has got to be on there.

If they had a third team, yes...99-00.

[Magic 32]

Chamberlain ABUSED Russell EVERY single season they were in the league together. In the 61-62 season, he averaged 40 ppg against him in 10 H2H games. But he was even more dominant, overall, in the 64-65 post-season, and all of his 65-66 and 66-67 seasons (both regular season and post-season.)

I have posted the numbers before, but he was routinely outscoring Russell by 15 ppg, outrebounding him by five per game, and outshooting him by 15% in their H2H's.

Well I have Wilt at 3rd all-time.

[Meticode]

You couldn't bring yourself to put Lebron in the first team just because you know Kobe can't make it. :oldlol:
I still have Bird over LeBron personally. obviously if LeBron wins one more MVP or championship he'll pull ahead of him in my mind. I think when it's all said and done LeBron will be the greatest SF in NBA history and eventually be ahead of Bird.

[L.Kizzle]

Are the 2nd team players who actually made 2nd teams? I see Birs on a 2nd team in 86 pretty sure he was 1st team that season.

[LAZERUSS]

After a peak Duncan, the PF position is really close. You could throw a banket over the best seasons of K. Malone, Dirk, Barkley, Baylor, Pettit, Lucas, and KG. Personally, a peak KG may have been on Duncan's level.

[Magic 32]

After a peak Duncan, the PF position is really close. You could throw a banket over the best seasons of K. Malone, Dirk, Barkley, Baylor, Pettit, Lucas, and KG. Personally, a peak KG may have been on Duncan's level.

True, but Karl did do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O_clEGis0w

61 on 80%

[Beastmode88]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R76nMD8buR8

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

True, but Karl did do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O_clEGis0w

61 on 80%

You have Wilt at #3, and he had a game of 66 on 83% (29-35.)

[navy]

Interesting take with Russell who was SECOND TEAM ALL-NBA in 61-62, behind you-know-who...
I was about to say this. Russell making first team in that year literally didnt happen. :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

I was about to say this. Russell making first team in that year literally didnt happen. :oldlol:

Well, Russell did win the MVP in VERY suspicious voting by the players. (Wilt was also robbed in '64, and again in '69.)

[Magic 32]

You have Wilt at #3, and he had a game of 66 on 83% (29-35.)

http://i.imgur.com/G4lyU.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

http://i.imgur.com/G4lyU.jpg

Not sure what your point is, since a PRIME Chamberlain just CRUSHED centers like Reed, Bellamy, Thurmond, and Russell. Hell, a 35-36 year old, in 10 straight H2H's with the 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier, averaged 24 ppg on a ...get this... .784 FG%.

[Nowitness]

Gary Payton 1999-2000 is by far the greatest season from a PG ever.

[Magic 32]

Not sure what your point is, since a PRIME Chamberlain just CRUSHED centers like Reed, Bellamy, Thurmond, and Russell. Hell, a 35-36 year old, in 10 straight H2H's with the 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier, averaged 24 ppg on a ...get this... .784 FG%.

If you can dominate like Wilt did, you should be able to play the right way.

The only stats that matters are winning stats.

[G.O.A.T]

If you can dominate like Wilt did, you should be able to play the right way.

The only stats that matters are winning stats.

You're wrong. To him the only stats that matter are those that serve his agenda.

Don't bother, he's not interested in learning anything or considering any other viewpoints. It's been like seven years, at least, he's not gonna stop.

[LAZERUSS]

If you can dominate like Wilt did, you should be able to play the right way.

The only stats that matters are winning stats.

Then again, it's interesting that you have a 71-72 KAJ at your #2 center spot. Why? Because, while he dominated in the regular season like very few have (but not nearly as dominant as a mid-60's Wilt BTW), he was then statistically outplayed by Nate Thurmond in the first round of the '72 playoffs (KAJ averaged 22.8 ppg on a .405 FG%, while Nate was at 25.4 ppg on a .437 FG%)...and then a old Wilt, by virtually all accounts, outplayed him in the '72 WCF's (and in the last four games of that series KAJ shot .414.) KAJ's Bucks didn't make it past Wilt's Lakers (who, behind Chamberlain's brilliance won the title against the HOF-laden Knicks.)

In fact, in their four years in the league together, they each won a ring, but Wilt held a 3-1 margin in Finals appearances. So, in that regard, Wilt was the greater "winner" between the two. And keep in mind that this was a PEAK Kareem, and a Wilt who was between 34-36 and playing on a surgically repaired knee.

[Dave3]

In the first two round of the 2009 playoffs, Lebron played very much like he did in 2012 and 2013.

The way he played against Orlando was kind of detructive to his team.

http://s27.postimg.org/9xs12avcj/4534.png
Again, no he didn't. This is a guy that was sitting out some of the 4th quarters (or at least the majority of some of them) and was still putting up 33ppg over the first 2 rounds.

And saying the way he played against Orlando was destructive to his team is pretty much saying either "I didn't watch the series" or "I don't remember the series" - LeBron's numbers had nothing to do with the loss, unless his numbers somehow directly resulted in players like Alston, Pietrus, Lewis and Turkoglu all finding their stroke simultaneously while Dwight was beasting.

[WillC]

Wilt Chamberlain's 1967 was the greatest peak ever. It's relatively hard to argue with the following (and no, it's not just about stats - please read the detail):

Regular season: 24.1ppg, 24.2rpg, 7.8apg, .683 FG%

Playoffs: 21.7ppg, 29.1rpg, 9.0apg, .579 FG%

Achievements:
- Regular season MVP
- NBA champion
- Finals MVP (didn't exist back then but, if it did, he would have won it for sure)
- 68-15 regular season record
- Wilt's 1967 Warriors were the only team to ever defeat a healthy Bill Russell-led Boston Celtics team in a playoff series
- In Game 1 against Boston in the Eastern Conference Finals, Wilt Chamberlain had a quadruple-double with 24 points, 32 rebounds, 13 assists and (an unofficial) 12 blocks.
- One of only two times a player has ever been top 5 in PPG, RPG and APG (Wilt also did it in 1967-68).
- In round 1 of the playoffs, Wilt's Philadelphia 76ers disposed of Oscar Robertson's Cincinnati Royals. In that series, Wilt averaged 28ppg, 26.8rpg and 11.0apg on 61% shooting.
- In round 2, the 76ers defeated the Boston Celtics 4-1. Wilt averaged 21.6ppg, 32.0rpg and 10.0apg on 56% shooting versus Russell's 11.4ppg, 23.4rpg and 6.0apg on 36% shooting. In other words, Wilt Chamberlain completely dominated Bill Russell.
- In the finals, Wilt helped the 76ers beat the San Francisco Warriors, who featured Rick Barry and Nate Thurmond.

That is the most transcendent season in NBA history.

I'm not sure what more a player could do to deserve to be ranked in the top 5 peaks of all-time.

[G.O.A.T]

1st team
'67 Wilt
'03 Duncan
'86 Bird
'92 Jordan
'87 Magic

2nd team
'00 Shaq
'93 Barkley
'76 Doctor J
'69 West
'64 Oscar

3rd Team
'82 Moses
'97 Mailman
'13 LeBron
'06 Kobe
'73 Frazier