Why is the public so uncritical of the reasons for Bron's return?

[konex]

I have already seen more people dissecting Melo's reasoning for staying in NY than folks who are skeptical of LeBron's letter. Are people really this gullible or is it just that they like Bron more?

I haven't seen anyone in the media ask if Bron would have left if Miami won and still looked dominant. Or if he'd have left if Cavs talent situation looked bad. These are obvious questions with obvious answers but no one but "haters" seem to want to know lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

He left a team that you were calling the most stacked team in history for a 33 win team

[LBJ 23]

It's a combination of everything. Cleveland being his home, his family/friends wishing to go back and Cavs having very young but very talented roster. He addressed all of this in his letter I don't know wher e's the problem.

[LBJFTW]

Because people are sheep and believe what they are told in the letter despite the 1 year opt out contract.

[I<3NBA]

i go on ISH and that's all the haters talk about

[NumberSix]

He left a team that you were calling the most stacked team in history for a 33 win team
Apparently, Miami wasn't so stacked. It was Cleveland that was historically stacked all along. :rolleyes:

[iTare]

how weird, it seems that lebron turns teams into stacked teams, i wonder why :rolleyes:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Because the media pushed their narrative and the blinded sheep followed suit.

Nothing LeBron did was "honorable". He saw that Cleveland had better upside (three #1 draft picks with the potential to sign the best PF in basketball) and jumped ship...yet again.

[NumberSix]

Because the media pushed their narrative while the blinded sheep followed suit.

Nothing LeBron did was "honorable". He saw that Cleveland had better upside (three #1 draft picks with the potential to sign the best PF in basketball) and jumped ship...yet again.
I can't take anyone seriously who says this. As if Bennett isn't a historically comical bust.

I think it all comes down to 1 thing. Wade. He's never going to be the same. At Wade's current value with how much cap space he will take up, I don't think a team can truly compete like that. LeBron only went to Miami to compete. If Miami can no longer compete, what's the point? Might as well not compete in Cleveland if that's the case.

[Taller than CP3]

it's like turning face in Pro Wrestling

Lebron left the Heat (heel, Sgt. Slaughter) and became the good guy by returning home and joining the Cavs (face, Hulk Hogan)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I can't take anyone seriously who says this. As if Bennett isn't a historically comical bust.

I think it all comes down to 1 thing. Wade. He's never going to be the same. At Wade's current value with how much cap space he will take up, I don't think a team can truly compete like that. LeBron only went to Miami to compete. If Miami can no longer compete, what's the point? Might as well not compete in Cleveland if that's the case.

Why act like I care what you take "seriously"? :confusedshrug:

[Marchesk]

Might as well not compete in Cleveland if that's the case.

If Wiggins turns out to be worthy of the #1 overall pick, and they can get Love while keeping Wiggins, then Cleveland will be a contender. Maybe it will take a season or two to put it all together, but they'll have the talent. Not sure how Kyrie and Lebron mesh together, but if that doesn't work out, you can trade Kyrie for a couple good pieces that would fit well with Lebron.

[Crimsonrain777]

basically, people just want to feeeeeeel good. everybody wants to believe that lebron is being completely honest and that this is a happy ending for all cleveland fans comparable to the conclusion of most disney movies. Just willfully ignorant, weak souls who wanna place faith in hope because the other option is too hard for them to think about.

[houston]

Because the media pushed their narrative and the blinded sheep followed suit.

Nothing LeBron did was "honorable". He saw that Cleveland had better upside (three #1 draft picks with the potential to sign the best PF in basketball) and jumped ship...yet again.

yea this true

[NumberSix]

Why act like I care what you take "seriously"? :confusedshrug:
Because I'm more important than you. Obvi.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Because the media pushed their narrative and the blinded sheep followed suit.

Nothing LeBron did was "honorable". He saw that Cleveland had better upside (three #1 draft picks with the potential to sign the best PF in basketball) and jumped ship...yet again.
Him being back home in Cleveland is a bit of both stan, and haters arguments. It's him being a nice guy, wanting to be loved, and wanting to go home. But it's also him being savy, managed correctly by his handlers, and cowardly looking for the easier way out yet again. A legacy move. Even if in the immediate future Cleveland isn't a lock for competing in championships. It's the smarter choice long term.

[sportsfan76]

He left a team that you were calling the most stacked team in history for a 33 win team


And why the f*ck would he do that when he wants to win titles?:facepalm

[GatorKid117]

I don't understand why fans are so critical athlete's decisions. Its their life. They have the right to do as they please. They don't owe you anything.

LeBron waited until free agency, didn't demand a trade and went with the best option in his mind.

What's the problem? As if all these "decision" haters wouldn't also jump at the opportunity to work for a company with a better future than they had now.

[LBJ 23]

Because the media pushed their narrative and the blinded sheep followed suit.

Nothing LeBron did was "honorable". He saw that Cleveland had better upside (three #1 draft picks with the potential to sign the best PF in basketball) and jumped ship...yet again.


Lebron will be 30 this year. So you think he just jumped ship and went to a team with a better upside which can really be fully fulfilled only after 4-5 years when all of those young players will start hitting their prime? And at that time Lebron will be around 35 years old and there's a good chance he will be stacking up sidekick rings.

Another thing to consider, lets say Bucks, Kings, Bobcats have the exact same young roster as Cleveland does now. Do you really see Lebron leaving Miami for any of those teams with that young roster? Staying in Miami he would be again a lock for the Fianls probably and with some improvements Miami would be again a favourite to win it all.

[Skyscraper]

look, can't blame Lebron for this. He did make up for Decision 1.

However, let's not annoint him a saint or say his intentions are purely because he wants to right the wrongs he did to Cleveland.

Being able to right the wrongs is a convenient sidebar for Lebron. I am sure he feels legit down inside about being home... but comon...

the main reasons are:

-Miami is getting older and they have the virtual same core and peripheral pieces that SA totally destroyed and they have minimal room to maneuver

- Cleveland has young pieces built for the long haul.



everything about saving CLeveland and winning one for his home town (which is Akron, not Cleveland btw) is all just extra PR stuff, which I am sure he believes, but media is making us eat up like he's St. James guardian saint of those who burned their 23 jerseys

[Skyscraper]

Lebron will be 30 this year. So you think he just jumped ship and went to a team with a better upside which can really be fully fulfilled only after 4-5 years when all of those young players will start hitting their prime? And at that time Lebron will be around 35 years old and there's a good chance he will be stacking up sidekick rings.

Another thing to consider, lets say Bucks, Kings, Bobcats have the exact same young roster as Cleveland does now. Do you really see Lebron leaving Miami for any of those teams with that young roster? Staying in Miami he would be again a lock for the Fianls probably and with some improvements Miami would be again a favourite to win it all.

you're missing the point.

Lebron did more right than wrong...

but the media is making us eat up the story Lebron is a saint and angel all at once. His intentions were not purely selfless.

[TheAnchorman]

look, can't blame Lebron for this. He did make up for Decision 1.

However, let's not annoint him a saint or say his intentions are purely because he wants to right the wrongs he did to Cleveland.

Being able to right the wrongs is a convenient sidebar for Lebron. I am sure he feels legit down inside about being home... but comon...

the main reasons are:

-Miami is getting older and they have the virtual same core and peripheral pieces that SA totally destroyed and they have minimal room to maneuver

- Cleveland has young pieces built for the long haul.



everything about saving CLeveland and winning one for his home town (which is Akron, not Cleveland btw) is all just extra PR stuff, which I am sure he believes, but media is making us eat up like he's St. James guardian saint of those who burned their 23 jerseys
^realistic viewpoint. I'm sure James is glad to be back in Cleveland and i believe him when he says winning a championship for his hometown means a lot more to him than just "winning another one for miami".

But if Cavs had no irving? Wade never declined? Lebron stays in Miami guaranteed.

[Rocketswin2013]

Just remember that Cleveland was easily his worst talent choice in free agency when you idiots say he went for the talent.


Maybe Dallas was slightly worse because of age though

[konex]

Just remember that Cleveland was easily his worst talent choice in free agency when you idiots say he went for the talent.


Maybe Dallas was slightly worse because of age though

Cleveland was his ONLY choice if he didn't want a media shitstorm and a reputation as a mercenary. It's a MUCH better option than Miami moving forward

[LBJFTW]

Are we going to pretend like the Cleveland front office has made any correct player moves?

What have they done?

Get lucky with 3/4 #1 picks?
Win some lottery picks?

Lebron joined on his own free will, which made love interested.

Cleveland front office has done NOTHING in all of this, and they better start making the CORRECT decisions if they expect to even make it to the finals.

[LBJ 23]

you're missing the point.

Lebron did more right than wrong...

but the media is making us eat up the story Lebron is a saint and angel all at once. His intentions were not purely selfless.


I'm not missing the point. Of course Media is making us eat up that story because, well it's the media and that story sells better.

My only problem is with the posters who are saying that Lebron went back just because of the young talented Cavs roster and other factors like him coming back home or repairing some of the damage he did in 11' had nothing to do with it.

He's not 25 years old anymore so he only has a few of peak years left and if he only cared about rings Miami would still be a better choice for the next 2 years lets say when he's at his peak. But he still went home so there has to be some truth of other ''honorable'' things which you so strongly reject.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Him being back home in Cleveland is a bit of both stan, and haters arguments. It's him being a nice guy, wanting to be loved, and wanting to go home. But it's also him being savy, managed correctly by his handlers, and cowardly looking for the easier way out yet again. A legacy move. Even if in the immediate future Cleveland isn't a lock for competing in championships. It's the smarter choice long term.

Pretty much

This whole "maturity" thing...people get that way in time. What's the big ****ing deal? All these articles I'm reading about LeBron showing so much "maturity" blah blah. No. He thought Cleveland was the better opportunity for him from a basketball standpoint to compete and be with a perennial championship contending team (maybe not right away, but sooner than later).

That's why the dude went there. Yeah some of that "homecoming" stuff may have played a little role, but at the end of the day, if Cleveland had a bunch of bums or had the roster of the Utah Jazz, do you honestly think that LeBron would have gone there? Of course not.

But other than that, I would just like to say thank you to LeBron, because this makes the East more watchable. :oldlol:

[LBJFTW]

Pretty much

This whole "maturity" thing...people get that way in time. What's the big ****ing deal? All these articles I'm reading about LeBron showing so much "maturity" blah blah. No. He thought Cleveland was the better opportunity for him from a basketball standpoint to compete and be with a perennial championship contending team (maybe not right away, but sooner than later).

That's why the dude went there. Yeah some of that "homecoming" stuff may have played a little role, but at the end of the day, if Cleveland had a bunch of bums or had the roster of the Utah Jazz, do you honestly think that LeBron would have gone there? Of course not.

But other than that, I would just like to say thank you to LeBron, because this makes the East more watchable. :oldlol:

And the saddest part of it all is that delusional Clevelanders absolutely in their heart of hearts believe that he would have come home no matter what. :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

look, can't blame Lebron for this. He did make up for Decision 1.

However, let's not annoint him a saint or say his intentions are purely because he wants to right the wrongs he did to Cleveland.

Being able to right the wrongs is a convenient sidebar for Lebron. I am sure he feels legit down inside about being home... but comon...

the main reasons are:

-Miami is getting older and they have the virtual same core and peripheral pieces that SA totally destroyed and they have minimal room to maneuver

- Cleveland has young pieces built for the long haul.



everything about saving CLeveland and winning one for his home town (which is Akron, not Cleveland btw) is all just extra PR stuff, which I am sure he believes, but media is making us eat up like he's St. James guardian saint of those who burned their 23 jerseys

Exactly. The media sure did its job though. ISH sheep are coming out by the dozen. :oldlol:

[sportsfan76]

look, can't blame Lebron for this. He did make up for Decision 1.

However, let's not annoint him a saint or say his intentions are purely because he wants to right the wrongs he did to Cleveland.

Being able to right the wrongs is a convenient sidebar for Lebron. I am sure he feels legit down inside about being home... but comon...

the main reasons are:

-Miami is getting older and they have the virtual same core and peripheral pieces that SA totally destroyed and they have minimal room to maneuver

- Cleveland has young pieces built for the long haul.



everything about saving CLeveland and winning one for his home town (which is Akron, not Cleveland btw) is all just extra PR stuff, which I am sure he believes, but media is making us eat up like he's St. James guardian saint of those who burned their 23 jerseys


How the hell did he make up for it if he only signed up for 2 years with the option leave next year?????????????????????????????????????

[chosen_one6]

How the hell did he make up for it if he only signed up for 2 years with the option leave next year?????????????????????????????????????

Salary cap goes up next year and CBA uncertainty in 2017. LeBron is making sure he gets paid, that's why the contract is so short. He still plans to stay in Cleveland. Things could change, of course. At the moment this is the line of thinking though. Whereas stans look for the silver lining in everything, haters look for the negative in everything LeBron does. :facepalm

[Skyscraper]

How the hell did he make up for it if he only signed up for 2 years with the option leave next year?????????????????????????????????????

because he hasn't left yet??

because if he leaves without a championship in Cleveland

1) He will be hated forever with no forgiveness
(use the two time cuckold by the same girl analogy if you want)
2) He needs more time to establish chemistry again with a new team

all of which will waste his time and tail end of his prime

the TV deal and money may seem like an easy out... but there are no clear alternatives now...

where's Lebron going to?

The Knicks?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LudJaqlGgFI/TIpZbAqw1nI/AAAAAAAALS4/_2ZBdvaAPss/s400/delusions+dem+rule.jpg

[sportsfan76]

Salary cap goes up next year and CBA uncertainty in 2017. LeBron is making sure he gets paid, that's why the contract is so short. He still plans to stay in Cleveland. Things could change, of course. At the moment this is the line of thinking though. Whereas stans look for the silver lining in everything, haters look for the negative in everything LeBron does. :facepalm


Looking to get PAID? is you high?:roll: :roll: :roll:

[konex]

Thinking about it more, I guess it shows how easily influenced most people are by the media.

The criticism for leaving in 2010 was over the top and that made even casual fans see him as a villain. Now the media is going overboard praising him for a blatantly self-serving decision and the public follows suit.

[Knoe Itawl]

The reason is because most sane people realize that no one in their right mind would leave Miami to go to Cleveland unless their heart was really into it. And I'm not just talking about the cities, but the respective franchises given the success one has had, and the other has not.

Further, there were other opportunities Lebron could have opted for that would have offered him a competitive roster, yet he chose to go back to Cleveland (and being nice here, it's not exactly known as a hot destination to say the least), and back to a fanbase and owner that savaged him when he left.

Were their business decisions involved, of course. This is a business after all. But the critics seem to ignore everything else I mentioned in their quest to pretend that only they can see past the "feel good" narrative being pushed on the public.

[Skyscraper]

Thinking about it more, I guess it shows how easily influenced most people are by the media.

The criticism for leaving in 2010 was over the top and that made even casual fans see him as a villain. Now the media is going overboard praising him for a blatantly self-serving decision and the public follows suit.


we should all take an opportunity not just to say how bad BSPN is, but how all US media is basically made by 6 major corporations who seeks to narrow our viewpoints in life.

It's too much for me to ask everyone to find independent news sources and interpret all news for yourself (and rather unrealistic for me to say all mainstream news is out to get us), but ever wonder why all of the FM radio plays the same songs over and over again?

Start from there and go on...

[B-hoop]

Apparently, Miami wasn't so stacked. It was Cleveland that was historically stacked all along. :rolleyes:

Why can't the stans understand that being stacked is relative to competition and can change over time? Only trolls would say 2013-2014 Heat were as stacked as the 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 Heat. Wade declined a lot the last 2 years.

[konex]

Further, there were other opportunities Lebron could have opted for that would have offered him a competitive roster, yet he chose to go back to Cleveland (and being nice here, it's not exactly known as a hot destination to say the least), and back to a fanbase and owner that savaged him when he left.

Again, there is NO WAY he could have gone to another team besides Cleveland. He would have been DESTROYED in the media and he knew it.

[STATUTORY]

Him being back home in Cleveland is a bit of both stan, and haters arguments. It's him being a nice guy, wanting to be loved, and wanting to go home. But it's also him being savy, managed correctly by his handlers, and cowardly looking for the easier way out yet again. A legacy move. Even if in the immediate future Cleveland isn't a lock for competing in championships. It's the smarter choice long term.
:applause: :applause:

glad you coming back around to critical insights again. you were slobbering dat dick pretty hard earlier

[Knoe Itawl]

Again, there is NO WAY he could have gone to another team besides Cleveland. He would have been DESTROYED in the media and he knew it.

I see you ignored the rest of what I wrote, which means you agreed with it. And people like you are DESTROYING him for going back to Cleveland, lol. So it wouldn't matter what he did, there would be critics. Might as well be in a better place than Cleveland facing them. unless, of course, you really wanted to go home and felt a calling back.

[sportsfan76]

I see you ignored the rest of what I wrote, which means you agreed with it. And people like you are DESTROYING him for going back to Cleveland, lol. So it wouldn't matter what he did, there would be critics. Might as well be in a better place than Cleveland facing them. unless, of course, you really wanted to go home and felt a calling back.


If he is the best player in the world then why not remain where he is and have the front office build around him?

[wakencdukest]

I think most people are happy the collusion era is over. That whole thing with the big meeting in Chicago and then the one hour special to announce to the world what he already knew 6 months ahead of time, rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. He left a team coming off 4 straight finals appearances. He could have stayed and possibly won a couple more with a few minor tweaks to the roster, but he gave it up to go back home and redeem himself. I don't think the Cavs are an instant contender for the championship. It's going to take a few years.

[sportsfan76]

I think most people are happy the collusion era is over. That whole thing with the big meeting in Chicago and then the one hour special to announce to the world what he already knew 6 months ahead of time, rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. He left a team coming off 4 straight finals appearances. He could have stayed and possibly won a couple more with a few minor tweaks to the roster, but he gave it up to go back home and redeem himself. I don't think the Cavs are an instant contender for the championship. It's going to take a few years.


And by time the Cavs become a legit contender he will


1. be 34
2. and have less hair

[tmacattack33]

I have already seen more people dissecting Melo's reasoning for staying in NY than folks who are skeptical of LeBron's letter. Are people really this gullible or is it just that they like Bron more?

I haven't seen anyone in the media ask if Bron would have left if Miami won and still looked dominant. Or if he'd have left if Cavs talent situation looked bad. These are obvious questions with obvious answers but no one but "haters" seem to want to know lol

So what.

When Lebron left Cleveland, most casual fans just said that he left a title contender that finished atop the Eastern Standings. None of them knew those Cavs were actually pretty bad.

Also, many casual fans thought Bosh was a super-star, since that what the media made it seem like.


So it goes both ways bro. And casual fans outweigh hardcore fans by at least 4-to-1. So your gonna have to deal with it.

[vegasbigshots]

I like the move. If he wins as a CAV he will solidfy his legacy as one of the best.

[Godzuki]

its because Lebron is today's MJ. The media has helped create that casual fan love for him, even a lot of die hard fans. They either don't know, or don't care, all they see is the top player in the NBA wanting to go back 'home' to CLE...

I agree tho it is weird. Because there was so much criticism and controversy when he left CLE, so much anger when he made it a spectacle with the Decision. Don't forget CLE was completely blindsided by that. They thought he was going to stay :lol but thats why Dan Gilbert was so bitter in that letter.....


To me its ridiculous how all is forgotten now, and there is ALL of this love for him coming out of CLE now :facepalm and its almost offensive they actually tell people who are critical of Lebron or CLE "enough of it already".... :facepalm

the girlfriend analogy works in every way, and mostly in the way other people not even involved losing a LOT of respect for a lot of those fans. Just like guys look down on guys who take girlfriends back that cheated...its really very similar in feel. i mean i have very little connection to any of this but it annoys me how they welcome him back and forget everything that happened. where you just lose respect like they're suckers. its hard not to look down on them knowing how things have unfolded to this point. at least you know most casual fans don't know any better...

[DonDadda59]

After the backlash of the first Decision, Bron's PR team learned a valuable lesson. They handled this one expertly and managed to sell their bullshit 'Coming Home' sap story to the masses and media. Masterfully played.

[sportsfan76]

After the backlash of the first Decision, Bron's PR team learned a valuable lesson. They handled this one expertly and managed to sell their bullshit 'Coming Home' sap story to the masses and media. Masterfully played.


So when he leaves again in 2016 wonder how they will play that