View Full Version : This should put an end to all the silly Messi GOAT talk once and for all
TheMan
07-13-2014, 05:50 PM
Please, STFU. A GOAT takes over games like today's Final. Except for a couple of chances, one he SHOULD have put away, dude was basically MIA. I was pulling for Argentina but for all the GOAT talk following Leo around, his WC was pretty meh...
Real talk
Shout out to LeBirdbrain, he'll avoid this thread because he was proven wrong by me, again
B-hoop
07-13-2014, 05:52 PM
:banana: :banana:
deja vu
07-13-2014, 05:53 PM
Not defending him but his team is not that great TBH. I was surprised they made it to the Final.
BasedTom
07-13-2014, 05:59 PM
Lol some of the people on this site act as if the World Cup is like the NBA Finals and that not winning it every time is a massive stain on a players legacy. Look at Cruyff. Unlike how NBA fans disrespect past legends for "not getting it done," Cryuff's legacy is still valoured and respected.
Germany is the much deeper and talented team.
TheMan
07-13-2014, 05:59 PM
Not defending him but his team is not that great TBH. I was surprised they made it to the Final.
I get that but idiots like LeBirdbrain say Messi is WAY better than Pel
B-hoop
07-13-2014, 05:59 PM
Not winning it once is a glaring hole on the GOAT's resume, dont you think?
ArbitraryWater
07-13-2014, 06:00 PM
Messi IS way better than Ronaldinho.. like, not close.
Only a casual would think otherwise.
B-hoop
07-13-2014, 06:02 PM
Messi IS way better than Ronaldinho.. like, not close.
Only a casual would think otherwise.
So?
TheMan
07-13-2014, 06:03 PM
Messi IS way better than Ronaldinho.. like, not close.
Only a casual would think otherwise.
Not in international play he's not...
Mr.Kite
07-13-2014, 06:04 PM
Don't you think that a goat should win a championship?
look at jerry west
ArbitraryWater
07-13-2014, 06:06 PM
Not in international play he's not...
Right, Ronaldinho was THE flop of the tournament in 2006, and has never been able to play at a World Cup after that, because he was too fat, lazy and bad... This guy played 2 WC's, while Messi will play 4-5 in his career, because thats how long he will stay elite, and so you give Ronaldinho the edge based on a couple games in 2002?
Stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.
And since when was this on International play? Clown.
CJ Mustard
07-13-2014, 06:08 PM
Messi ain't ****ing with Pele, Maradona, or Zidane. Not now, or ever.
B-hoop
07-13-2014, 06:08 PM
What's Arbitrary****** talking about? So what Messi is better than Ronaldinho? He is tied imo, but you can argue he is better. Neither of them is the GOAT so the thread's premise is still correct.
Mr.Kite
07-13-2014, 06:08 PM
Messi ain't ****ing with Pele, Maradona, or Zidane. Not now, or ever.
amen
BasedTom
07-13-2014, 06:09 PM
Don't you think that a goat should win a championship?
look at jerry west
The World Cup is on a level beyond an annual Superbowl or NBA Finals. To put it on the same level as a "championship" is dumb.
It's also based on a NATIONAL TEAM, and no you can't just stack the deck or file transfer requests on a whim. Right now there are many world class players who didn't and will not win a WC even if they are superior players individually to their opponents who do have that distinction over them.
This isn't difficult to understand.
Lol some of the people on this site act as if the World Cup is like the NBA Finals and that not winning it every time is a massive stain on a players legacy. Look at Cruyff. Unlike how NBA fans disrespect past legends for "not getting it done," Cryuff's legacy is still valoured and respected.
Germany is the much deeper and talented team.
Agreed, I'm sure most on here don't even watch much soccer, probably rely on fifa video games to rate players.
Mr.Kite
07-13-2014, 06:13 PM
Agreed, I'm sure most on here don't even watch much soccer, probably rely on fifa video games to rate players.
Thats how Messi won the award.
Robben got straight robbed
Thats how Messi won the award.
Robben got straight robbed
I agree Robben should have won the award no doubt but the Messi hate is so silly to me. The dude is one of the greatest to play the game yet the bashing he gets because he lost today is funny. Germany was by far the better overall team but the times Messi did get the ball, every German was on alert. Remove Messi from today's game and watch how bad Argentina loses this game.
TheMan
07-13-2014, 06:20 PM
Right, Ronaldinho was THE flop of the tournament in 2006, and has never been able to play at a World Cup after that, because he was too fat, lazy and bad... This guy played 2 WC's, while Messi will play 4-5 in his career, because thats how long he will stay elite, and so you give Ronaldinho the edge based on a couple games in 2002?
Stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.
And since when was this on International play? Clown.
Ronaldinho was a key member of that WC title team. We're talking about international play because that's what the WC is, you dimwit.
There are two different categories for great players, what they do in club play and what they do at international play. Obviously you don't want to talk about Messi's international play because it's been pretty meh so far. Read the Argentinian sports press you asshole.
TheMan
07-13-2014, 06:23 PM
What a joke of an award, Messi wasn't the best WC player...lol
ThePhantomCreep
07-13-2014, 06:26 PM
Lol some of the people on this site act as if the World Cup is like the NBA Finals and that not winning it every time is a massive stain on a players legacy. Look at Cruyff. Unlike how NBA fans disrespect past legends for "not getting it done," Cryuff's legacy is still valoured and respected.
Germany is the much deeper and talented team.
Cruyff isn't a good example though--he was without question the best player in the 1974 tournament. Golden Ball aside, can you say that for Messi? He was pretty much invisible after the group stage.
ArbitraryWater
07-13-2014, 06:53 PM
Ronaldinho was a key member of that WC title team. We're talking about international play because that's what the WC is, you dimwit.
There are two different categories for great players, what they do in club play and what they do at international play. Obviously you don't want to talk about Messi's international play because it's been pretty meh so far. Read the Argentinian sports press you asshole.
A key member for 3 games?
This isn't 2010 anymore.. The world cup isn't isn't the NBA finals, its a tournament every 4 years... you dont use that to evaluate players when Messi has twice the career at club level than Ronaldinho has had.
And what the **** does that mean "2 different categories" ?
Look, I know you guys are clueless, but just stop talking shit then.
brownmamba00
07-13-2014, 07:16 PM
Peak Roni is as good as anybody TBH...that guy had too much talent.
ThePhantomCreep
07-13-2014, 07:40 PM
Messi ain't ****ing with Pele, Maradona, or Zidane. Not now, or ever.
Lettuce be real...Ronaldo Fenomeno's peak > Zidane's.
c3z4r
07-13-2014, 09:29 PM
I agree Robben should have won the award no doubt but the Messi hate is so silly to me. The dude is one of the greatest to play the game yet the bashing he gets because he lost today is funny. Germany was by far the better overall team but the times Messi did get the ball, every German was on alert. Remove Messi from today's game and watch how bad Argentina loses this game.
Was Messi playing CB? How do Argentina lose this game in a worse fashion?
Mascherano was holding that whole defence down for Argentina and he would have done the same even without Messi.
B-hoop
07-13-2014, 10:25 PM
Was Messi playing CB? How do Argentina lose this game in a worse fashion?
Mascherano was holding that whole defence down for Argentina and he would have done the same even without Messi.
Exactly, the best player for Argentina this game was clearly Mascherano. Its in games like these that the best player in the world has to score in individual plays. The problem this game was not Argentina's defense, but its offense.
I should rephrase my last sentence, without Messi, Argentina won't create as many chances to win the game.
B-hoop
07-13-2014, 11:06 PM
I should rephrase my last sentence, without Messi, Argentina won't create as many chances to win the game.
Depends who you replace him with.. you have to admit this wasn't his most inspired game.
Ratnik
07-14-2014, 03:21 AM
That hobbit won the Golden Ball of the tournament :facepalm Fxck fifa :banghead:
Lettuce be real...Ronaldo Fenomeno's peak > Zidane's.
Ronaldo ranking higher than Zidane in the all-time list is obvious to anyone who has watched them play.
I don't know why ISHers are so obsessed by Zidane. He's been a true superstar, but he's nowhere near any discussion for GOAT.
Is it really because of this sort of basketball bias to overrate stats and consider two goals in a WC final legendary?
hint: Ronaldo did that too.
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