T-wolves stance: no Wiggins, no K. Love.

[Hey Yo]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 3m
Minnesota's current stance: No Wiggins for TWolves, No KLove for Cavs

[red1]

*broussard

[Nash]

Love stance: No Cavs, no resign

etc etc etc

he'll go to Cavs in the end. Cavs got way too many pieces..

[QuebecBaller]

No Wiggins, no Love so...

Love to Boston or Indiana? So he could play against the Cavs :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Cavs can get a 3rd team involved though

[D-Rose]

Absolutely has to be the stance that Flip takes.

I think the intrigue and potential of Wiggins is tremendous...but LeBron is what..29, 30? His prime surely won't go past the next 3-4 years.

Love is 25, man! That's contention for another 5 years for Cleveland.

If the #1 pick in a draft turns out to be as good as Kevin Love...in most drafts, that's the #1 pick. It makes a lot of sense for Cleveland to make this deal, but of course they are going to play hardball and offer other assets that they have.

[HurricaneKid]

If anyone feels any sympathy for Minnesota when they lose Love for nothing lets all think back to this day.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Boston and Indiana cant offer anything better than Waiters Bennett and firsts...hel end up a cav or a warrior imo..

[J Shuttlesworth]

No Wiggins, no Love so...

Love to Boston or Indiana? So he could play against the Cavs :oldlol:
Maybe Love to Boston or Indiana, and then Cavs will make a trade for Love with one of those teams :applause:

[Qwyjibo]

Can you please put "Broussard" somewhere in the title so no one has to click on the actual post since we'd all know it's BS right away?

[KyrieTheFuture]

They have absolutely no leverage. I don't even want to trade for love, sure as hell not enough for Wiggy

[MellowYellow]

Cavs are trying to offer trash for Kevin Love, no way the Wolves should go for that.

[JellyBean]

Makes sense. I would even say throw in 2 draft picks as well. I agree with D-Rose. Flip and the rest of the Timberwolves FO has to step up, grab the stones and state "No Wiggins, Waiters, and 2 draft picks in '15 (1st round) &'16 (2nd round), no Kevin Love".

If the Cavs balk at this, look at other teams. Then the Cavs can work back channels to get Kevin Love. But at least we are nothing giving K-Love up for scraps by the Cavs.

[DonDadda59]

Makes sense from the T'Wolves perspective. Why would they give away an arguable top 10 player in the league for relatively nothing. Might as well press for a potential future all star/franchise player who'll sell tickets.

[Hey Yo]

Absolutely has to be the stance that Flip takes.

I think the intrigue and potential of Wiggins is tremendous...but LeBron is what..29, 30? His prime surely won't go past the next 3-4 years.

Love is 25, man! That's contention for another 5 years for Cleveland.

If the #1 pick in a draft turns out to be as good as Kevin Love...in most drafts, that's the #1 pick. It makes a lot of sense for Cleveland to make this deal, but of course they are going to play hardball and offer other assets that they have.
Or they could always wait till next summer and sign him outright. I don't think someone will trade for Love knowing that they won't be able to re-sign him. They won't give up good assets in a trade knowing he wants to go to Cleveland.

[NattyPButter]

Makes sense from the T'Wolves perspective. Why would they give away an arguable top 10 player in the league for relatively nothing. Might as well press for a potential future all star/franchise player who'll sell tickets.

well they will end up with eventually nothing if they don't trade him. Cavs have some great 1st round draft picks and most of the players on the Cavs have talent and potential. Waiters could be a star player if he had his own team.

[Meticode]

I'm fine on that stance. I don't want them to trade Wiggins for Love. Minnesota has to take a stance on that and gamble to get the most out of a trade, but they might be forced to trade for something otherwise he's just going to walk away.

[Cocaine80s]

lol Love will just leave to the Cavs for free next year.


T Wolves are ****ing retarded if they dont trade him now

Zach Lavine is taking over as the franchise player anyways

[bluechox2]

what will the cavs do when wiggins turns out a bust?

[Meticode]

lol Love will just leave to the Cavs for free next year.


T Wolves are ****ing retarded if they dont trade him now

Zach Lavine is taking over as the franchise player anyways
I don't think they are stupid for not trading now. They have all of this season to explore trades. We all know the Cavaliers have the most to offer, then Golden State then Boston. Who's to say another team doesn't offer something better? They can wait all the way up to the trade deadline.

[MavsSuperFan]

why couldnt love just w8 till next year and sign as an FA with the cavs

Minny has zero leverage

[Sarcastic]

They have absolutely no leverage. I don't even want to trade for love, sure as hell not enough for Wiggy

Cavs have 0 leverage in this unless Love says he will only sign the extension with Cleveland, which I highly doubt he will. 28 teams can offer a better deal than the Cavs trash picks.

Do you really think the Lakers can't offer better and that Love would turn down the extension? Take off the homer glasses.

[navy]

what will the cavs do when wiggins turns out a bust?
Blame Lebron. :oldlol:

[CelticBaller]

Love stance: No Cavs, no resign

etc etc etc

he'll go to Cavs in the end. Cavs got way too many pieces..
Then he let him walk away, he won't get what he wants

[SupermanOnSteroids]

i hope for the good of the league minny sticks to that stance.

[DStebb716]

Love stance: No Cavs, no resign

etc etc etc

he'll go to Cavs in the end. Cavs got way too many pieces..

What pieces, other than Wiggins, are appealing in a deal for a superstar? Waiters is nice, but nothing special and not a centerpiece. Bennett is scraps. Tristan Thompson is a solid piece.

Waiters, Thompson and a bunch of first round picks that likely won't be worth anything? Meh.

[Meticode]

Cavs have 0 leverage in this unless Love says he will only sign the extension with Cleveland, which I highly doubt he will. 28 teams can offer a better deal than the Cavs trash picks.

Do you really think the Lakers can't offer better and that Love would turn down the extension? Take off the homer glasses.
You're missing the whole point. Love isn't going to be traded to a team where he's not going to promise to extend on. It doesn't matter if 28 teams have better offers, if Love doesn't feel he can start winning now there, he's not going to sign long-term there, which means that team isn't going to trade for him for a 1 year rental. Love is being very specific about teams, right now those teams are Cleveland, Golden State and Boston possibly. Boston is a long-shot. Golden State doesn't want to give up Thompson, Cleveland doesn't want to give up Wiggins, but Cleveland has a hell of a lot more to offer than either of those three teams.

Now, that's not to say another team doesn't come out of the blue and make some enticing offers, but your comment on the 28 teams doesn't mean shit because Love isn't trade-able to 28 teams because he can say "Nope, not extending there." And that team that wants him won't trade for him because of that reason.

[Meticode]

What pieces, other than Wiggins, are appealing in a deal for a superstar? Waiters is nice, but nothing special and not a centerpiece. Bennett is scraps. Tristan Thompson is a solid piece.

Waiters, Thompson and a bunch of first round picks that likely won't be worth anything? Meh.
Three team trade, which has been discussed and brought up be people and the media the last 3-4 days.

[Cocaine80s]

I don't think they are stupid for not trading now. They have all of this season to explore trades. We all know the Cavaliers have the most to offer, then Golden State then Boston. Who's to say another team doesn't offer something better? They can wait all the way up to the trade deadline.
which team would trade for him for just a half season rental?

[Meticode]

i hope for the good of the league minny sticks to that stance.
Me too. Because then Minnesota will lose him for nothing if they don't trade him. He'll become a free agent then possibly sign with Cleveland and we give up nothing.

[Meticode]

which team would trade for him for just a half season rental?
I'm not saying it's a rental, obviously when he's traded the team he's traded too and him have to verbally agree to do an extension with him. Otherwise he's not going to be traded because the team that wants him isn't going to pull the trigger for a rental.

Cavaliers could stick to their guns and have a trade in place and if nothing better comes along by the trade deadline Saunders risks losing Love for nothing.

[Sarcastic]

why couldnt love just w8 till next year and sign as an FA with the cavs

Minny has zero leverage


Cavs won't have the money to sign him as a free agent. They will have $40 million in Lebron and Kyrie alone.


Or are we just making up cherry picked scenarios to give Lebron every possible advantage?

[DStebb716]

Three team trade, which has been discussed and brought up be people and the media the last 3-4 days.

So somebody else might value the Cavs "meh" pieces higher than Minnesota? Because somebody would have to love Waiters/Thompson. Three-team deals still have to involve big pieces going every which way.

[navy]

Cavs won't have the money to sign him as a free agent. They will have $40 million in Lebron and Kyrie alone.


Or are we just making up cherry picked scenarios to give Lebron every possible advantage?
Lebron can opt out to sign him.

[flipogb]

send love to a different East team, bring even more balance.

[Sarcastic]

You're missing the whole point. Love isn't going to be traded to a team where he's not going to promise to extend on. It doesn't matter if 28 teams have better offers, if Love doesn't feel he can start winning now there, he's not going to sign long-term there, which means that team isn't going to trade for him for a 1 year rental. Love is being very specific about teams, right now those teams are Cleveland, Golden State and Boston possibly. Boston is a long-shot. Golden State doesn't want to give up Thompson, Cleveland doesn't want to give up Wiggins, but Cleveland has a hell of a lot more to offer than either of those three teams.

Now, that's not to say another team doesn't come out of the blue and make some enticing offers, but your comment on the 28 teams doesn't mean shit because Love isn't trade-able to 28 teams because he can say "Nope, not extending there." And that team that wants him won't trade for him because of that reason.


Do you really think he would turn down an extension from the Lakers, to be their top guy for the next 5 years, and that Julius Randle + "XYZ" isn't better than Anthony BUST and Dion Malcontent?

Newflash: nobody wants either of those 2 guys. Waiters has some value, but he certainly isn't viewed as a cornerstone piece by anyone in the league.

[CelticBaller]

send love to a different East team, bring even more balance.
Boston

[Meticode]

Who knows what will happen? If Minnesota magically starts winning games he might change his tune. I think there's no way he's traded before the season.

[Sarcastic]

Lebron can opt out to sign him.


Or maybe Lebron opts out to go to a team that will actually have the guts to pull the trigger on making deals that leads to championships.

It's a big gamble to take for a team in a city that hasn't won anything in over 50 years.

[Meticode]

Boston
I will be surprised if he agrees to do an extension there. He wants to win now. I don't think adding Love to that team doesn't that, especially since they're going to have to give up a little bit to get him.

I'm not saying I'm against it, I just don't' see how it happens.

[lilgodfather1]

I hope the Wolves enjoy trading him at the deadline for scraps, or in the off season in a S&T to Cleveland for the worst of Waiters, or Bennett, and Haywood's contract.

Have fun missing the playoffs again, and not getting decent compensation.

The team trading the star never gets equal value. It is not possible.

[lilgodfather1]

Do you really think he would turn down an extension from the Lakers, to be their top guy for the next 5 years, and that Julius Randle + "XYZ" isn't better than Anthony BUST and Dion Malcontent?

Newflash: nobody wants either of those 2 guys. Waiters has some value, but he certainly isn't viewed as a cornerstone piece by anyone in the league.
If nobody wants Waiters, a possible 20ppg scorer, then Randle certainly has NO VALUE.

[Meticode]

People are getting ahead of themselves too much. So much speculation and assumption.

[Sarcastic]

If nobody wants Waiters, a possible 20ppg scorer, then Randle certainly has NO VALUE.


You're delusional. Randle has more value than those 2 combined, by a wide margin.

[CelticBaller]

I will be surprised if he agrees to do an extension there. He wants to win now. I don't think adding Love to that team doesn't that, especially since they're going to have to give up a little bit to get him.

I'm not saying I'm against it, I just don't' see how it happens.
We have the assets to get another star along with him


But it ain't going to happen, if he was coming here it would've happened already :confusedshrug:

[DStebb716]

People are getting ahead of themselves too much. So much speculation and assumption.

Says that guy that just said KLove wouldn't sign an extension with the Celtics...

Give me a break. So he'll sign with the Cavs for sure, but if anybody speculates about anything else than they need to stop?

I think he would resign if traded to Cleveland, Boston, New York, LA and Golden State.

[hawkfan]

Hawks can offer Millsap, Schroeder and two firsts for Love and Martin.

Danny Ferry doin work.

[Nash]

If the Love trade doesn't work out, what other bigs could could be tradeable?

[hawkfan]

If the Love trade doesn't work out, what other bigs could could be tradeable?

Larry Sanders.
Brook Lopez.

[DStebb716]

Hawks can offer Millsap, Schroeder and two firsts for Love and Martin.

Danny Ferry doin work.

Kevin Love wouldn't even consider extending in Atlanta, and Minnesota doesn't do it without getting Horford, Millsap and a first.

[DMAVS41]

I don't think they are stupid for not trading now. They have all of this season to explore trades. We all know the Cavaliers have the most to offer, then Golden State then Boston. Who's to say another team doesn't offer something better? They can wait all the way up to the trade deadline.

Then you just waste a year with chemistry problems and a team constantly being asked about trade rumors.

Unless they just can't get anything...you move him ASAP

[hawkfan]

Kevin Love wouldn't even consider extending in Atlanta, and Minnesota doesn't do it without getting Horford, Millsap and a first.

Flip told you this?

[lilgodfather1]

You're delusional. Randle has more value than those 2 combined, by a wide margin.
So either you are named for your tone, or you are a classic example of why this board is horrid.

[hawkfan]

Kevin Love wouldn't even consider extending in Atlanta, and Minnesota doesn't do it without getting Horford, Millsap and a first.


Send us Bargnani for Carroll (expirer).
Do it!

[Sarcastic]

So either you are named for your tone, or you are a classic example of why this board is horrid.


Go make threads on every forum, and ask which has more value

1)Waiters and Bennett
2)Julius Randle



Come back with results to either say sorry or prove me wrong.

[D-Rose]

Go make threads on every forum, and ask which has more value

1)Waiters and Bennett
2)Julius Randle



Come back with results to either say sorry or prove me wrong.
I haven't seen which of you has picked which. But the obvious answer is Waiters and Bennett.

Oh wait, I see that you seem to think Randle is more valuable hahahahaha.

Waiters is SO underrated. He's more valuable than every single asset on the Knicks combined outside of Melo.Bennett is going to prove a lot of people wrong too.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Cavs have 0 leverage in this unless Love says he will only sign the extension with Cleveland, which I highly doubt he will. 28 teams can offer a better deal than the Cavs trash picks.

Do you really think the Lakers can't offer better and that Love would turn down the extension? Take off the homer glasses.
I never said the Cavs had any leverage either. My only point is that MIN is insane for thinking they can dictate the terms of any trade, this specific one happens to deal with my team. However, I am confident that Waiters, Bennett, and picks is better than anything the Lakers can offer. I hope to God you're right and MIN says no to our offers because I don't want KLove on my team.

[sfballa13]

Cant wait till the season starts and he is traded for FAR FAR less than anyone was discussing

Just wait till Bennett and Waiters or Lee/Barnes becomes enough for Love

Flip screwed the pooch on this one

[RedBlackAttack]

The whole discussion is silly. We sit here and talk about what different packages the Cavs and the Cavs alone have to offer Minny. My question is, if so many teams are beating their doors down for Love, where are all of the other tremendous packages being offered?

The Cavs are not bidding against themselves. In order to have leverage, you have to be able to play teams against one another to drive up the price. Is that happening, because -- if so -- I haven't seen it.

I'm perfectly fine with the looks of the team sans Love. It will still be one of the best in the East and I'm anxious to see how guys like Bennett and Thompson look alongside a bonafide all-timer in his prime. I think the Cavs are anxious to see it, as well.

Meanwhile, the Timberwolves will eventually be backed into a corner if they continue to insist on certain guys that are not being made available. No, that time isn't now, but it is inevitably going to happen unless they act.

[BallsOut]

Do you really think he would turn down an extension from the Lakers, to be their top guy for the next 5 years, and that Julius Randle + "XYZ" isn't better than Anthony BUST and Dion Malcontent?

Newflash: nobody wants either of those 2 guys. Waiters has some value, but he certainly isn't viewed as a cornerstone piece by anyone in the league.

Guys like Marcus Smart and Julius Randle has way more potential than Waiters and Thompson. Cleveland fans trying to overrate their role players again. :oldlol:

[TonyMontana]

Nobody wants Clevelands trash(Waiters, Bennett, picks that would be in the late 20s since the Cavs will be so stacked).

I think its only fair that a team trading a player of Kevin Loves stature would want at least one actual asset.

[Meticode]

Says that guy that just said KLove wouldn't sign an extension with the Celtics...
Why do you think I said "everyone"? Everyone includes me as well. Anyway, I'm done on the subject. Useless to talk about it any further.

[RedBlackAttack]

Guys like Marcus Smart and Julius Randle has way more potential than Waiters and Thompson. Cleveland fans trying to overrate their role players again. :oldlol:
Fine. Do it then.

Have Randle and Smart officially been offered, btw?

[DMAVS41]

The whole discussion is silly. We sit here and talk about what different packages the Cavs and the Cavs alone have to offer Minny. My question is, if so many teams are beating their doors down for Love, where are all of the other tremendous packages being offered?

The Cavs are not bidding against themselves. In order to have leverage, you have to be able to play teams against one another to drive up the price. Is that happening, because -- if so -- I haven't seen it.

Completely agree.

My only point is that I think it's a mistake for the Cavs not to trade Wiggins for Love/Dieng if that is the only way to get it done.

If I was the Cavs...I'm not sure how hell bent I'd be about keeping Waiters and Thompson either.

You are more piped in than all of us here.

How much do you think Thompson is going to get next year? Won't someone offer him a shit ton of money? Do you want to keep him?

Same thing for Waiters next year when he can turn down the qualifying offer.


I guess my point is that it seems like you Cavs fans are acting like Waiters and Thompson are locks to remain on this team for years...and I'm not sure that is the case even if there is no Love trade. My philosophy on this would be to make those decisions now as best you can. The Cavs front office should be going through models in which they reach the point of no return on Thompson and Waiters these next two summers.

At what price is Thompson not worth it for the Cavs? Then figure that out and try as best they can to determine the likelihood of a team offering him that much.

My gut feeling would be that Waters and Thompson get offered more than they are worth for the Cavs to keep.

You'd hate to go through this coming season as a building for the future year....only to see Thompson gone...with the same thing possibly happening with Waiters.

If Bennett were to then just suck...that roster actually isn't very good.

That is why some type of big move for an established star makes the most sense. Especially if that star is around 25 years old with many years left.

[BallsOut]

My question is, if so many teams are beating their doors down for Love, where are all of the other tremendous packages being offered?

The Cavs are not bidding against themselves. In order to have leverage, you have to be able to play teams against one another to drive up the price. Is that happening, because -- if so -- I haven't seen it.


The ignorance displayed by Cavs fans in this thread is incredible. At least 4 other teams have submitted way BETTER offers for Kevin Love. Are we going to pretend this hasn't happened?

1) Cavs offered the #1 pick in this year's draft (rejected)
2) Celtics offered #6 which turned out to be highly touted Marcus Smart (rejected)
3) Lakers offered #7 which turned out to be highly touted Julius Randle (rejected)
4) Golden State offered David Lee and Klay Thompson (rejected)

You're going to tell me a package of 2 glorified bench role players in Waiters and Thompson and the bust that is Anthony Bennett is remotely close to any of these rejected offers and enough to net you superstar franchise player Kevin Love? :roll:

[DStebb716]

Send us Bargnani for Carroll (expirer).
Do it!

We're going to give you an expirer for an expirer? Ok... No.

[DMAVS41]

The ignorance displayed by Cavs fans in this thread is incredible. At least 4 other teams have submitted way BETTER offers for Kevin Love than Waiters + Thompson + the bust that is Anthony Bennett.

Are we going to pretend this hasn't happened?

1) Cavs offered the #1 pick in this year's draft (rejected)
2) Celtics offered #6 which turned out to be highly touted Marcus 3) Smart (rejected)
4) Lakers offered #7 which turned out to be highly touted Julius Randle (rejected)
5) Golden State offered David Lee and Klay Thompson (rejected)

You're going to tell me a package of 2 glorified bench role players in Waiters and Thompson and the bust that is Anthony Bennett is remotely close to any of these rejected offers and enough to net you superstar franchise player Kevin Love? :roll:

Stop posting this shit over and over again.

The Celtics and Lakers offers suck in comparison.

All reports are saying that Klay is off the table for Love actually. And even if he were, Lee/Thompson isn't for sure better because Klay is going to get like 16 million a year...does Minny really want to pay that? Does Klay really want to stay?

You could end up with David Lee and a 1 year rental for Love. That is way worse than a deal centered around picks and Thompson/Waiters.

Again, I don't believe that report about the first pick, Thompson, and Waiters being offered for Love and the Wolves turning it down. if true, the Wolves would be the dumbest franchise ever for that...and the Cavs would be the 2nd dumbest for offering it.

Please stop with this post though...it's garbage.

[La Frescobaldi]

I never said the Cavs had any leverage either. My only point is that MIN is insane for thinking they can dictate the terms of any trade, this specific one happens to deal with my team. However, I am confident that Waiters, Bennett, and picks is better than anything the Lakers can offer. I hope to God you're right and MIN says no to our offers because I don't want KLove on my team.
why, exactly? With Irving, James outside..... you don't want the greatest force in the paint of today's league?

[hawkfan]

We're going to give you an expirer for an expirer? Ok... No.

You get a trade exception of 9 million.

[DStebb716]

You get a trade exception of 9 million.

Meh. Bargnani will work well in the triangle, and that's useless unless we can get another expirer to fit into the exception. Not taking on long-term salary.

[KyrieTheFuture]

why, exactly? With Irving, James outside..... you don't want the greatest force in the paint of today's league?
I question that statement greatly. I don't think he's much of a "force in the paint". We need defense more than anything and he simply provides a net negative there.

[BallsOut]

Stop posting this shit over and over again.



Please stop with this post though...it's garbage.

It may not be easy for you to accept. But it's real. Those offers have been made and rejected. In this CBA, no team is taking on Waiters/Thompson/Bennett over Marcus Smart or Julius Randle on rookie deals. The latter, unlike the former glorified role players, actually have a chance to be franchise players.

The sooner you accept it the better. Come to grips with it. The truth shall set you free.

[RedBlackAttack]

Stop posting this shit over and over again.

The Celtics and Lakers offers suck in comparison.

All reports are saying that Klay is off the table for Love actually. And even if he were, Lee/Thompson isn't for sure better because Klay is going to get like 16 million a year...does Minny really want to pay that? Does Klay really want to stay?

You could end up with David Lee and a 1 year rental for Love. That is way worse than a deal centered around picks and Thompson/Waiters.

Again, I don't believe that report about the first pick, Thompson, and Waiters being offered for Love and the Wolves turning it down. if true, the Wolves would be the dumbest franchise ever for that...and the Cavs would be the 2nd dumbest for offering it.

Please stop with this post though...it's garbage.
:roll:

Couldn't agree more. None of it even matters, because all talks between the Cavs and Wolves immediately ceased when Love said he wouldn't extend with the Cavs (that was before the LeBron stuff really started heating up).

But, my god... if the Cavs would have given up all of that for Love, I would have had an aneurysm. This is Kevin Love we're talking about, here, not prime KAJ. WTF are people even thinking with this sh!t? :oldlol:

[La Frescobaldi]

I question that statement greatly. I don't think he's much of a "force in the paint". We need defense more than anything and he simply provides a net negative there.

Having watched about 100 of Love's games now, I'm skeptical, to say the least.

He's never played with a guy like James who is an elite defender. That attitude spreads through a team real fast.
He also played for a coach, Adelman, who never particularly emphasized D. His team defense was outstanding in the Olympics, when he had a class act around him. He's had quite a few games where his D was a real high level, especially when Rony Turiaf was at the 5.

As a Wolves fan the past 3 or 4 years, I bash Love's D as much as the next guy, believe me. But WillC says it real good so I'll just quote him:


I watched every Wolves game this season so I feel qualified to answer this...

- Love won't get you many blocks and doesn't challenge players at the rim, i.e. he's a relatively weak help defender and obviously lacks a certain amount of 'bounce' and athleticism which hurts him defensively

- He is underrated as a man-to-man post defender. He uses his body well to keep other power forwards in front of him. In particular, I remember him doing a great job on LaMarcus Aldridge (18th December 2013) during a Wolves win. He held Aldridge to 7-22 shooting from the field. The commentators (Jim Petersen in particular) were raving about his post defense, strength and positioning.

- One of my biggest criticisms of Love is that he doesn't always rush back to play defense. This is hugely frustrating and holds him back from being a good leader. However, I'm confident that in a different situation (i.e. alongside LeBron in Cleveland) he'd feel more inclined to play defense on every defensive possession, partly because he wouldn't be so worn out from being the main offensive weapon on the team.

- Linked to the above, Love's defensive effort can be inconsistent. When he puts his mind to it, he can be a solid defender - certainly not a liability. But there are times when he lets his team down, usually when he appears tired or frustrated with his teammates.

- I've always felt that Love plays much better next to a springy athletic big man such as Dieng or Turiaf (rather than Pekovic, who is too similar to Love). In other words, if he goes to Cleveland, they should go all-out to find a shot-blocking frontcourt partner for Kevin Love. Anderson Varejao certainly has the right attitude and engine, but they might want to find a young athletic help-defender to come off the bench.

which is pretty much what I said in the James thread , but WillC's is better written.

[ctown4eva]

Guys like Marcus Smart and Julius Randle has way more potential than Waiters and Thompson. Cleveland fans trying to overrate their role players again. :oldlol:

Waiters averages 20 ppg in his Per 36.

Not many (any?) role players averaging those kinds of scoring numbers. He can be a dynamic scoring option for the Wolves.

Oh, and he's what. 22 years old? Yeah. Plus Bennett and 1st rounder? That's a solid deal.

Good luck getting better value for Love.

Blows away the packages teams got for Harden, Howard, and Paul. Go look.

[LBJFTW]

If anyone feels any sympathy for Minnesota when they lose Love for nothing lets all think back to this day.

For the way KG's prime was wasted there, they should give Love away out of respect to the NBA.

[rasko]

It would be a catastrophic mistake for the cavs to trade wiggins for love.But they are the cleveland cavaliers so i can see them pulling the trigger.

First of all,considering similar cases of the past,this would be an overpay.Who the **** would trade the #1 pick in a hyped draft for a player who is one year away of FA?

But for the shake of argument lets say they do it.Now they have love-lebron-kyrie on max contracts leaving them with little to no cap space for another piece.Is this team even better than the 2013-14 HEAT?If i have to bet,they never win anything.

Love has history with injuries,no playoff experience and suspect defence.Im not trading a two way player on a rookie conract with great potential for him.
Waiters/thompson+picks take it or leave it,if im the cavs FO im fine either way.Worst case scenario i keep wiggins for 4-8 years/cap flexibility and use my assets to land a decent big.

OKC was in a great spot with westbrook-durant-harden and ****ed it up.I hope cavs dont do the same mistake.You never have enough talent.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Love stance: No Cavs, no resign

etc etc etc

he'll go to Cavs in the end. Cavs got way too many pieces..

The only way he goes is if the Cavs trade Wiggins.

Because after this season, Kyrie's new -MAX- contract kicks in. With Kyrie's max contract, + Lequit's max contract, suddenly you have Miami's old problem. You can't fit 3 max contract players and still have good role players in the new CBA.


So........ Love won't be able to go to Cavs on his own as a free agent. The only way he can go, is through trade via Wolves.

My prediction, Love ends up with the Lakers.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

It would be a catastrophic mistake for the cavs to trade wiggins for love.But they are the cleveland cavaliers so i can see them pulling the trigger.

First of all,considering similar cases of the past,this would be an overpay.Who the **** would trade the #1 pick in a hyped draft for a player who is one year away of FA?

But for the shake of argument lets say they do it.Now they have love-lebron-kyrie on max contracts leaving them with little to no cap space for another piece.Is this team even better than the 2013-14 HEAT?If i have to bet,they never win anything.

Love has history with injuries,no playoff experience and suspect defence.Im not trading a two way player on a rookie conract with great potential for him.
Waiters/thompson+picks take it or leave it,if im the cavs FO im fine either way.Worst case scenario i keep wiggins for 4-8 years/cap flexibility and use my assets to land a decent big.

OKC was in a great spot with westbrook-durant-harden and ****ed it up.I hope cavs dont do the same mistake.You never have enough talent.

Ironically.... Dan Gilbert was the Leader of the "Hardliner" owners who wanted to destroy Miami's Big 3 during the lockout. The New CBA makes it impossible to keep 3 max contract players and put help around them.

Oh and then you have the Repeater Tax. Which is killer and no owner, except maybe Prokorov of the Nets, will ever want to pay it.

[ILLsmak]

No Wiggins, no Love so...

Love to Boston or Indiana? So he could play against the Cavs :oldlol:

This is how I feel. If I try to make a trade with a team to get a specific asset and they say, "Not that player." I'm trading him to another team out of spite.

-Smak

[BlazerRed]

This is how I feel. If I try to make a trade with a team to get a specific asset and they say, "Not that player." I'm trading him to another team out of spite.

-Smak
You don't run a successful business acting out of spite.

[KNOW1EDGE]

That's the right stance for them to have right now.

[J Shuttlesworth]

As time goes on, if Wolves don't get any other promising offers for KLove, is it possible they will call the Cavs back and take this?

[RedBlackAttack]

Ironically.... Dan Gilbert was the Leader of the "Hardliner" owners who wanted to destroy Miami's Big 3 during the lockout. The New CBA makes it impossible to keep 3 max contract players and put help around them.

Oh and then you have the Repeater Tax. Which is killer and no owner, except maybe Prokorov of the Nets, will ever want to pay it.
Dan Gilbert would likely pay it too. The man has no attachment to money. He's made that pretty clear over the years.

[Sharmer]

Cleveland have been made with the use of no1 picks, so I would doubt that they would give up wiggins for love. Too much of risk, but there's no guarantee that wiggins is going to worth keeping.

[BigTicket]

I see three possible scenarios for Wiggins:

#1. He's a bust
In this case Cleveland would clearly be better off having traded him for Love

#2. He takes 3-4 years to develop into an all-star level player (like Kobe or McGrady)
In this scenario Cleveland is also better off having traded him for Love, since Lebron is already 29, and doesn't have that many years left in his prime, so we can't afford to waste this much time while Wiggins develops

#3. He's a star right away (like Lebron/Carmelo/Durant)
If this were to happen, we would probably be better off keeping Wiggins.

So the questions is how you rate the chances for each of these three scenarios ? Personally I think #2 is most likely, followed by #1. So I am definetely in favor of trading Wiggins for Love.

Cleveland has never won a championship, ever. Love would give us the best team we've ever had, with a good chance to win in each of the next 4-5 years. I really don't see why we would risk that in order to take our chances with Wiggins.
Maybe we could somehow get Love without trading Wiggins, but honestly that's not a chance I want to take.

[RoTM]

Lebron can opt out to sign him.

nope, cap hold.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

nope, cap hold.
they can do a sign and trade using haywood's contract...

[I<3NBA]

lol at Minny trying to hardball. Cavs will just wait until they lose Love and get him in FA.

[RoTM]

they can do a sign and trade using haywood's contract...

Haywood isn't even on their team next year.


lol at Minny trying to hardball. Cavs will just wait until they lose Love and get him in FA.

Cavs are something like 55+ million committed with 5 players and minimum holds. That would be impossible.

[El Gato Negro]

At this point let the wolves keep him, i would rather watch Blatt develop the young talent.

[BigTicket]

lol at Minny trying to hardball. Cavs will just wait until they lose Love and get him in FA.

Cavs don't have the cap space for that. If Minny lets him walk, he'll end up signing with someone else for sure, but it won't be the Cavs.

[raprap]

Wiggins will be a star and is a two player. Much better fit I think for the cavs and he is still on his rookie contract. A defensive big I think should be their priority. Bennett can be their stretch four.

Pg - irving
Sg - wiggins
Sf - james
Pf - bennett
C - defensive big

[RoTM]

It would be a catastrophic mistake for the cavs to trade wiggins for love.But they are the cleveland cavaliers so i can see them pulling the trigger.

First of all,considering similar cases of the past,this would be an overpay.Who the **** would trade the #1 pick in a hyped draft for a player who is one year away of FA?

But for the shake of argument lets say they do it.Now they have love-lebron-kyrie on max contracts leaving them with little to no cap space for another piece.Is this team even better than the 2013-14 HEAT?If i have to bet,they never win anything.

Love has history with injuries,no playoff experience and suspect defence.Im not trading a two way player on a rookie conract with great potential for him.
Waiters/thompson+picks take it or leave it,if im the cavs FO im fine either way.Worst case scenario i keep wiggins for 4-8 years/cap flexibility and use my assets to land a decent big.

OKC was in a great spot with westbrook-durant-harden and ****ed it up.I hope cavs dont do the same mistake.You never have enough talent.

The price will most likely end up being Tristan Thompson+picks and finding someone else to take Martin's contract and fork over a projected mid round first.

[RedBlackAttack]

Cavs don't have the cap space for that. If Minny lets him walk, he'll end up signing with someone else for sure, but it won't be the Cavs.
S&T.

[qrich]

Well, no shit. Even as one of the biggest anti-Love people on this board, why should the Wolves gift wrap him for scraps without getting anything worth anything back?



well they will end up with eventually nothing if they don't trade him. Cavs have some great 1st round draft picks and most of the players on the Cavs have talent and potential. Waiters could be a star player if he had his own team.

A star player in the sense of Jamal Crawford or JR Smith a few years ago, I agree.


Go make threads on every forum, and ask which has more value

1)Waiters and Bennett
2)Julius Randle



Come back with results to either say sorry or prove me wrong.

Despite me thinking that Waiters is JR Smith part Duex and Bennett will be a better Craig Smith whilst being a Randle fan, its clear that Dion and Anthony have higher value than Julius at this point in time.

If only for the fact that with 2 prospects versus 1, you have a better shot of one reaching the "potential".


Waiters averages 20 ppg in his Per 36.

Not many (any?) role players averaging those kinds of scoring numbers. He can be a dynamic scoring option for the Wolves.

Oh, and he's what. 22 years old? Yeah. Plus Bennett and 1st rounder? That's a solid deal.

Good luck getting better value for Love.

Blows away the packages teams got for Harden, Howard, and Paul. Go look.

How does that, when compared to the Paul deal especially, at the time, blow anything away?

Eric Gordon was considered to have a MUCH HIGHER ceiling than Waiters ever has. Coming off a 22 ppg season, and guess what, he also played defense and never got into bullshit with teammates either. Aminu was considered to have the tools to be one of the league's premier defenders at the three. Kaman was a nice, expiring filler that could score (still don't know why he wasn't dealt for future pieces). Oh yeah, don't even try to convince me that the a pick in the Mid 20s is worth more than a late lotto/mid teens selection either.



For ****s sake, the delusion on the ends of some Cav fans, even one that is considered to be respectable, is on the level of them Laker fans who thought Radmanovic was a savior.

[JtotheIzzo]

If Bennett is truly in shape and a different player I am of the mind you keep him. He ran Blatt's high 4 to perfection in yesterday's game, and I am thinking Thompson is the one becoming more expendable.

Wiggins, lol, forget it. the kid is way too real, and besides, Minny has ZERO leverage.

[JtotheIzzo]

Wiggins will be a star and is a two player. Much better fit I think for the cavs and he is still on his rookie contract. A defensive big I think should be their priority. Bennett can be their stretch four.

Pg - irving
Sg - wiggins
Sf - james
Pf - bennett
C - defensive big

IF summer league Bennett is the real Bennett, this is far and away the most exciting team in the league, with 2-3-4 all potential dunk contestants.

[BigTicket]

Just so I am clear on my stance, I would offer Minnesota the following trade:

Wiggins + Thompson + Haywood for Love

And if they take it, I'd frankly be thrilled.

Maybe I'm just not as hyped about Wiggins as some people here, but I'd much rather have a certain allstar (Love) than a potential future allstar (Wiggins).

[RoTM]

Just so I am clear on my stance, I would offer Minnesota the following trade:

Wiggins + Thompson + Haywood for Love

And if they take it, I'd frankly be thrilled.

Maybe I'm just not as hyped about Wiggins as some people here, but I'd much rather have a certain allstar (Love) than a potential future allstar (Wiggins).

When looking at just number one picks historically, its a 1 in 3 chance they pan out into stars. The rest bust either due to skill or injury. There's no doubt you take the sure thing if it you're looking at contender status potentially for years. I doubt they will end up having to include one of their three however. Those guys just aren't traded, especially in this situation.

[Andrei89]

They should just trade him to another team then for higher assets.

People acting like Love can ONLY go to Cleveland.

[BigTicket]

They should just trade him to another team then for higher assets.

People acting like Love can ONLY go to Cleveland.

It doesn't have to be Cleveland obviously, but it does have to be a contender, and most contenders don't have a lot of tradeable assets (that they are willing to trade).

[returnofthemack]

The problem is that a team of Irving, Lebron and Love isn't sustainable. Best case senerio is that they come out strong and win 1 or 2 titles and then they fall apart because they have 3 players taking up most of the cap (just like Miami). Teams need to stop thinking big 3s and focus on big 2s with good role players. Lebron saw how easy it was for a team to take out a big 3. I really doubt he's pushing the cavs into trading their depth for 1 player no matter how good he is.

Maybe the next CBA comes along and changes things but that's a big question mark.

Either way I'm thrilled. If they make the trade the cavs are set up for massive short term success (the likes of which we've never seen). Or keep wiggins and try to set the team up for 10 plus years of being good.

[INDI]

You're missing the whole point. Love isn't going to be traded to a team where he's not going to promise to extend on. It doesn't matter if 28 teams have better offers, if Love doesn't feel he can start winning now there, he's not going to sign long-term there, which means that team isn't going to trade for him for a 1 year rental. Love is being very specific about teams, right now those teams are Cleveland, Golden State and Boston possibly. Boston is a long-shot. Golden State doesn't want to give up Thompson, Cleveland doesn't want to give up Wiggins, but Cleveland has a hell of a lot more to offer than either of those three teams.

Now, that's not to say another team doesn't come out of the blue and make some enticing offers, but your comment on the 28 teams doesn't mean shit because Love isn't trade-able to 28 teams because he can say "Nope, not extending there." And that team that wants him won't trade for him because of that reason.

Not true. There was already one team that was willing to trade for him despite the fact that he wouldn't guarantee an extension. Tbh for some of these bottom feeder franchises it makes sense to at least get some excitement going for them even if it's short term.

K love already was excited about a weak Boston team so I'm assuming there's at least 10-15 teams he would be willing to sign an extension with.

[GOBB]

Makes sense from the T'Wolves perspective. Why would they give away an arguable top 10 player in the league for relatively nothing. Might as well press for a potential future all star/franchise player who'll sell tickets.

How is love an arguable top 10? Id like to see your top 10 list. Pretty sure I can pick it apart and show he is without a double top 10, arguably top 5.

[GOBB]

If Bennett is truly in shape and a different player I am of the mind you keep him. He ran Blatt's high 4 to perfection in yesterday's game, and I am thinking Thompson is the one becoming more expendable.

Wiggins, lol, forget it. the kid is way too real, and besides, Minny has ZERO leverage.

Bennett is in great shape. Doesn't look like the lard ass aka Lil Terio from last season. Total transformation. I'm unsure if he can be the stretch 4 people think he can be. But body wise he really took care of himself.

[GOBB]

I see three possible scenarios for Wiggins:

#1. He's a bust
In this case Cleveland would clearly be better off having traded him for Love

#2. He takes 3-4 years to develop into an all-star level player (like Kobe or McGrady)
In this scenario Cleveland is also better off having traded him for Love, since Lebron is already 29, and doesn't have that many years left in his prime, so we can't afford to waste this much time while Wiggins develops

#3. He's a star right away (like Lebron/Carmelo/Durant)
If this were to happen, we would probably be better off keeping Wiggins.

So the questions is how you rate the chances for each of these three scenarios ? Personally I think #2 is most likely, followed by #1. So I am definetely in favor of trading Wiggins for Love.

Cleveland has never won a championship, ever. Love would give us the best team we've ever had, with a good chance to win in each of the next 4-5 years. I really don't see why we would risk that in order to take our chances with Wiggins.
Maybe we could somehow get Love without trading Wiggins, but honestly that's not a chance I want to take.


He's definitely not #3. He will be more of #2.

[ALBballer]

Wolves just lost another potential suitor in Chicago who could have offered Mirotic (a top 10 pick in this years draft according to some reports), McDermott, Gibson etc.

The only other team that could offer a better package than the Cavs is GSW if they include Klay.

So either Wolves can lose Love or take a worst offer from elsewhere.

[FireMcFailPlease]

If Bennett is truly in shape and a different player I am of the mind you keep him. He ran Blatt's high 4 to perfection in yesterday's game, and I am thinking Thompson is the one becoming more expendable.

Wiggins, lol, forget it. the kid is way too real, and besides, Minny has ZERO leverage.
there you have it folks. One summer league game, Bennets now untouchable, and Wiggins is way too real.

And we have zero leverage besides, you know, having Loves rights.

You are f'ing stupid. Dont quit your day job, if you even have one.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Wolves just lost another potential suitor in Chicago who could have offered Mirotic (a top 10 pick in this years draft according to some reports), McDermott, Gibson etc.

The only other team that could offer a better package than the Cavs is GSW if they include Klay.

So either Wolves can lose Love or take a worst offer from elsewhere.
Oh, did Flip call you and say GSW or Cleveland are the only places that have called about Love? There arent 28 other teams in the league that can do the same and woo Minny away from Clevelands shit offer?

[Carbine]

LOL @ Love being arguably a top 5 player.

GoBB stat watching. That's the only way you come to that conclusion.

[GimmeThat]

Pretty sure the Wiggins for K. Love trade deal is done.

no way the Wolves can justify to their team as to why they made that trade midseason after they finish up this offseason.

Waiters/Thompson + picks might still get thrown around as an offer for Love I wouldn't be surprised.

But that really guts the Cavs future if they don't win a championship this season. Waiters/Thompson are perfect career role players that the Wolves may consider to be attractive, especially if they end up believing they made some mistakes in FA signings this offseason.

unless the Cavs find a way to build a second unit that fits Wiggins with veterans. It could happen, I would just be surprised, that's all.

[TimmyDuncan]

What pieces, other than Wiggins, are appealing in a deal for a superstar? Waiters is nice, but nothing special and not a centerpiece. Bennett is scraps. Tristan Thompson is a solid piece.

Waiters, Thompson and a bunch of first round picks that likely won't be worth anything? Meh.

And teams have to understand you don't get as much for a superstar 1 year before he is UFA and when he said clearly he wont re-sign

What the knicks gave up for Melo was already too much in my opinion. But asking for wiggins on his rookie contract is just ridiculous

I won't cry for them when they will lose him for nothing next year

And by the way, i understand why lebron said nothing in 2009. Who want to be traded to a team where all the assets are gone? Better wait to be a UFA

[ALBballer]

Oh, did Flip call you and say GSW or Cleveland are the only places that have called about Love? There arent 28 other teams in the league that can do the same and woo Minny away from Clevelands shit offer?

dat rhetorical question lol.

Love obviously wants to go to either a big market team and the only reason he is even considering Cleveland is because of LBJ.

How many other teams are there that can fit this description? How many other teams in the league have as many expendable young players as Cleveland does?

I like Love and have been following the Wolves on and off the past few years but Love destroyed the Timberwolves leverage by not extending, and the Wolves are at fault for not giving him the full 5 year max.

Love will be sold at .50 at the dollar. As was Melo, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and etc.

A combination of Anthony Bennett/Thompson/Waiters/Picks is far from shit.

[GOBB]

LOL @ Love being arguably a top 5 player.

GoBB stat watching. That's the only way you come to that conclusion.

Yup stat watching. Silly me I forgot you watch every NFL, MLB, NBA, coll fball, coll bball game etc etc. Just astounding how you find the time to be so well versed in every sport. And let's not forget you maintain a job which is 8hrs out of your day as well. How do you do it? :rolleyes:

Love is one of the best scorers, one of the best 3pt shooters, one of the best passing big men, the best rebounding big in the NBA. So yeah stat watching. Can't wait to see your counter without using stats. Let me guess you are googling looking for bleacher report articles to help you out. It's cool just remember to cite your source in your next reply.

[I<3NBA]

Cavs don't have the cap space for that. If Minny lets him walk, he'll end up signing with someone else for sure, but it won't be the Cavs.
idk anything about Cavs situation on cap, so i'm asking. is there no way Cavs can create space when Love becomes a free agent?

what if they traded Kyrie instead of Wiggins?

that will solve a potential problem with Kyrie trying to "outshine" Lebron. just from my impression of Kyrie, i see him as a problem player that won't give up his position as lead dog now that Lebron's back. that can be a lockerroom problem the Cavs have to deal with immediately.

[Kujo]

It shouldn't be any other way. Wiggins or bust.

[robert de niro]

Love will end up in boston, they don't care if Love doesn't resign and they offer a nice package

[BigTicket]

Love will end up in boston, they don't care if Love doesn't resign and they offer a nice package

So you think the Celtics would just give away multiple draft picks for nothing ?

[Carbine]

Yup stat watching. Silly me I forgot you watch every NFL, MLB, NBA, coll fball, coll bball game etc etc. Just astounding how you find the time to be so well versed in every sport. And let's not forget you maintain a job which is 8hrs out of your day as well. How do you do it? :rolleyes:

Love is one of the best scorers, one of the best 3pt shooters, one of the best passing big men, the best rebounding big in the NBA. So yeah stat watching. Can't wait to see your counter without using stats. Let me guess you are googling looking for bleacher report articles to help you out. It's cool just remember to cite your source in your next reply.

He's all of those things, except you have to qualify the 3 point shooting with "For a big man" and change best rebounding big in the NBA to top 5.

He's also a negative defender. Which is the reason he's not a top 5 player in the NBA.

[Meticode]

Love will end up in boston, they don't care if Love doesn't resign and they offer a nice package
That's a bold move by Boston if they did that. If he doesn't commit to extending that is.

[FireMcFailPlease]

He's all of those things, except you have to qualify the 3 point shooting with "For a big man" and change best rebounding big in the NBA to top 5.

He's also a negative defender. Which is the reason he's not a top 5 player in the NBA.

Let me ask you what do you think has a better chance of happening.

Cleveland wins a title(s) with Love/Irving/LBJ with no Wiggins

Or

Cleveland wins a title(s) with Wiggins/Irving/LBJ?

You can knock Loves defense because I know its subpar...they dont make PF's who are both offensive and defensive juggarnauts since basically prime KG and Duncan.

but if my teams Robin was a guy who's proven to avg 25PPG+ and lead the league in rebounding, Im taking that and running.

Ive ridden the "potential" train for so long as a Wolves fan, cut Id love to cut to the chase and win the damn thing.

[Nash]

No Love, keep Thompson and Bennett. Also keep Waiters off the bench, these are all vital pieces for a better team. Being deep is important.

[Manila]

i hope they trade Lebron for Love just for the lolz

[GOBB]

He's all of those things, except you have to qualify the 3 point shooting with "For a big man" and change best rebounding big in the NBA to top 5.

He's also a negative defender. Which is the reason he's not a top 5 player in the NBA.

Please measure his defense vs the likes of Aldridge, Griffin. I'll wait.

Who is a better rebounding big? I'll wait some more.

Nice argument for why he isnt top 5. :rolleyes:

Let me guess, couldn't come across an article to help you?

[Kingwillball]

No Love, keep Thompson and Bennett. Also keep Waiters off the bench, these are all vital pieces for a better team. Being deep is important.


Love is better in short term but not at expense of gutting team. However his PPG and Boards drop on Cavs. He would probably be a 20/10 but player I would only give up Waiters and Thompson + picks for him. I think Bennet is going to be much better this year and going forward as I wrote in another thread reminds me of a mix of Larry Johnson and Milsap. Wiggins has HUGE potential especially learning from Lebron and his work ethics. Without Love Lebron will and Iriving both going to have to be 20+ scorers but I think Bennet can average between 10-15 ppg this year along with Wiggins.

[Goldrush25]

This is all posturing, see who blinks first. In the end, T'Wolves will take what they can get. Best case scenario is that a third team gets involved to get the T'Wolves the type of piece they want.

If Love wants to play with the Cavs it will happen, just may cost the Cavs a little more if they have to dump more salary next offseason.

[jlitt]

Cleveland is bargaining from a position of strength here simply because love is a free agent next year and has said he doesnt want to be on a team with no shot at the playoffs.

T wolves will lose love for nothing if they don't trade him. THEY HAVE TO TRADE HIM.

I see bennett plus for love as being the best deal they can get.

[Meticode]

Interesting...


FearTheSword @FearTheSword
7 out of 12 NBA GM's polled prefer keeping Andrew Wiggins to Kevin Love. Heh.

[GOBB]

Interesting...

7 out of 30. Interesting indeed, I think. I guess

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Interesting...
Those are different teams though...Cavs have a chance to become title favorites overnight with a Love trade..most teams are not..

[Meticode]

7 out of 30. Interesting indeed, I think. I guess
Vedy, vedy interesting...

[bballnoob1192]

these dumbasses on cleveland espn just compared rookie wiggins to rookie lebron and kevin love to keving garnett.....

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :biggums: :coleman: :kobe: :whatever: :durantunimpressed: :yaohappy:

[La Frescobaldi]

Love is better in short term but not at expense of gutting team. However his PPG and Boards drop on Cavs. He would probably be a 20/10 but player I would only give up Waiters and Thompson + picks for him. I think Bennet is going to be much better this year and going forward as I wrote in another thread reminds me of a mix of Larry Johnson and Milsap. Wiggins has HUGE potential especially learning from Lebron and his work ethics. Without Love Lebron will and Iriving both going to have to be 20+ scorers but I think Bennet can average between 10-15 ppg this year along with Wiggins.

I kind of lean towards the opposite, actually. With James and Irving outside, Love's numbers may well actually go up.

He's unstoppable in the paint by anybody in this league. Not Ibaka, not Duncan, not D Jordan, not Chandler, nor anybody else can stop him with the ball in his hands anywhere around the dotted circle. At all. His problems are largely team and coach - not that the Wolves have a bad team, but his game does not fit that team.

Wiggins is better for Minnesota because Pekovic is an elite center, in this league, on offense but can only play team defense. He and Love don't get beat in the paint by set plays - almost never, in fact. They get beat only by guys who lose their man outside and can jump real high. Far more points got scored on the Wolves from outside shooting than in the paint.... crazy amounts of outside deluge.... and that's coming from a guy that watched 74 Wolves games last year.
Terry Porter is truly a dolt of a coach. Rubio is the only serious defensive force of the 3 perimeter Wolves. Brewer is pretty good but it was a real long drop from Kirilenko. Kevin Martin is nothing special.

Meanwhile Love would be even better on the Cavs for just the opposite reason - the Cavs vertical & perimeter defense is better thus he can focus on offense without getting exhausted from racing around trying to defend his man and wide open, plunging guards and sFs.

Balance is everything.

[Duderonomy]

I would jump on the twolves bandwagon if this trade happens. wiggins/Rubio/Bennett the new big three.

[Meticode]

I would jump on the twolves bandwagon if this trade happens. wiggins/Rubio/Bennett the new big three.
With Love and Rubio in Minnesota there's not even a big two. Rubio is overrated.

[el gringos]

Cavaliers waiting and just assuming the price will drop will find out it did drop

Hardaway JR, Larkin, thanasis, 2 1sts and Amare

For

Love, Martin, lrma & minns choice of throwing in buddinger. And/or barea/delfino



The Knicks are still alive because they can take back so much salary because of his big deal. If Minnesota decides they'd want out of all their deals the NY offer will just keep getting better

[Mr. Incredible]

Cavaliers waiting and just assuming the price will drop will find out it did drop

Hardaway JR, Larkin, thanasis, 2 1sts and Amare

For

Love, Martin, lrma & minns choice of throwing in buddinger. And/or barea/delfino



The Knicks are still alive because they can take back so much salary because of his big deal. If Minnesota decides they'd want out of all their deals the NY offer will just keep getting better
Lol. Yeah, okay.