True or False: The Rockets got significantly worse this offseason?

[Purch]

sign Ariza

Lose Parsons, Lin and Asik

[kentatm]

true

[bluechox2]

they are counting on beverley...to break opponents legs

[Droid101]

they are counting on beverley...to break opponents legs
If he can break one opponent's legs per team, that gives the Rockets a significant advantage.

[Real14]

They missed out on bosh, boozer and melo too:oldlol:

[D-Rose]

So far, true. Traded starting PG and a solid Center. Got a downgrade at SF.

That being said, they have 14 mill in cap space. It ain't over. Morey can be crafty.

[Smook A.]

Offseason isn't over yet

[Milbuck]

They're ****ed.

[MVBallin2K]

I dunno, I could see this going either way. Houston lost a couple of pieces and I think those trades were not good in retrospect since they got nothing back.

However Ariza isn't a piece to sleep on. He played well in the Playoffs for the Wizards and doesn't need the ball in his hands to excel. He also brings defense to the team. Significantly worse? Not sure I'd go that far but they lack depth big time now.

[Rocketswin2013]

Not really. Lin wasn't good with us. Asik's production can be filled by Birdman for half the price.


Ariza and Parsons are on the same tier. Chandler is just younger, more dynamic offensively. He still has a bad beck though and $15 mil is too much.
Augustine, and Birdman will probably be some targets.

[Mr Exlax]

We got worse when we kept McHale. Next season is already a failure. Get back to me once we get a coach.

[russwest0]

The value they got Ariza on was definitely better than what Parsons left for but they could have kept Parsons for 900k this year and then resigned him next when Lin wouldn't have that poison pill shit in his contract

they lost Lin, Parsons, Asik, and a 2015 first rounder and got 30 year old Ariza and a 2016 likely mid to late first rounder in return?

I just don't get what they are doing there. The way Morey goes about shit is going to have them locked in mediocrity as they have been these past 7 years.

[bagelred]

Never should have let Parsons out of his deal. I knew Morey was playing with fire...he was counting on getting a big name in Melo or Bosh, and THEN matching on Parsons...thus way over cap but wouldn't care at that point.

So the REASON he can't match Parsons is he has to try to keep space open in future for that "third star". If he matches Parsons, it'll never happen...

[Heavincent]

Morey was so sure that he was going to get either Melo or Bosh. Completely backfired in his face.

[Uncle Drew]

They got Alonzo Gee from New Orleans. :roll: I can't stop laughing

[Mr Exlax]

Morey was so sure that he was going to get either Melo or Bosh. Completely backfired in his face.

I'm OK with him taking that chance. We weren't a championship caliber team with what we had last season. Look at our coach. I wish we could have gotten more for the players we lost but I don't think it's devastating.

[NugzFan]

True (so far). Plus at least 10 other western teams improved.

[SwishSquared]

The value they got Ariza on was definitely better than what Parsons left for but they could have kept Parsons for 900k this year and then resigned him next when Lin wouldn't have that poison pill shit in his contract

they lost Lin, Parsons, Asik, and a 2015 first rounder and got 30 year old Ariza and a 2016 likely mid to late first rounder in return?

I just don't get what they are doing there. The way Morey goes about shit is going to have them locked in mediocrity as they have been these past 7 years.
I might be late, but I thought they got Pelicans' 2015 first rounder (via Asik trade) that's only protected top 3 and 20-30 or something like that. West is wild, but there's a good shot that's a lotto pick next year. Maybe dangle that in a deal to upgrade at PF? Millsap should be the target for this particular roster imo since he's an expiring and would fit next to Dwight but I doubt ATL deals him. I'm taking shots in the dark but that's a pretty nice asset to have.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

not to mention that the also lost picks in the process of downgrading their roster.

[Rocketswin2013]

:facepalm People pretending they don't have space to fill the holes.....

[Rubio2Gasol]

They should just get a couple 1 year deals and go after a free agent next year.

[navy]

:facepalm People pretending they don't have space to fill the holes.....
This.

Asik and Lin werent real assets for them last year. Yeah they got worse cause they have no replacements..yet.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

:facepalm People pretending they don't have space to fill the holes.....
but who was the FAs left?

[NugzFan]

:facepalm People pretending they don't have space to fill the holes.....

The FA talent pool is getting worse.

[NugzFan]

This.

Asik and Lin werent real assets for them last year. Yeah they got worse cause they have no replacements..yet.

Lin and asik weren't assets?

[SCdac]

"significantly worse?"

False.

Losing Parsons kinda sucks, but at times last season they played like they didn't even want Lin and Asik on the roster... and they probably didn't! lol ... Landing Ariza for relatively cheap is somewhat of a consolation and the offseason's not over. Getting Bosh would have been perfect, but what can you do. Gotten worse? I suppose. Significantly worse? I don't see it.. yet... Still got Harden and Howard. Parsons wasn't the player who was going to put them over the top so why overpay him.

[Rubio2Gasol]

This.

Asik and Lin werent real assets for them last year. Yeah they got worse cause they have no replacements..yet.

Asik is a huge asset to anyone.

Lin is whatever, a couple picks too. That could bite if they miss the playoffs, which in the West is possible.

[navy]

Lin and asik weren't assets?
Not on the court, no. The Rockets wont miss them much.

[DMAVS41]

"significantly worse?"

False.

Losing Parsons kinda sucks, but at times last season they played like they didn't even want Lin and Asik on the roster... and they probably didn't! lol ... Landing Ariza for relatively cheap is somewhat of a consolation and the offseason's not over. Getting Bosh would have been perfect, but what can you do. Gotten worse? I suppose. Significantly worse? I don't see it.. yet... Still got Harden and Howard. Parsons wasn't the player who was going to put them over the top so why overpay him.

It depends on who else they get and how Jones and Montejunas develop.

Ariza fits in really well for them...and he plays better defense than Parsons.

Depending on who else they get, the defense could get a lot better...even with harden.

[UK2K]

sign Ariza

Lose Parsons, Lin and Asik

They still have 10m in cap space.

And you can add NO lotto pick to that.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

with the remaining FA pool there's no one out there left that is worth spending a large chunk of cash on. According to ********* salaries at least, thats what i checked, both Lin and Asik were expirers. Houston gave up draft picks to get rid of them. so they can't sign anyone worth a while this offseason and gave up draft picks to clear room when they could hav eused them even if for a limited amount this year and shed them next year anyways. correct me if i'm wrong though. just trying to understand.

[UK2K]

Asik is a huge asset to anyone.

Lin is whatever, a couple picks too. That could bite if they miss the playoffs, which in the West is possible.

Asik barely played half the season and when he did play, he didn't do much.

He was key in the playoffs but, with Dwight hes not useful for his pay and his demeanor.

[Johnny Jones]

Losing Asik is huge. They don't have a bench defensive anchor anymore.

[redhonda76]

The biggest mistakes was keeping McHale. He got no balls to discipline Harden on so many blown defense. The Rockets got worst this off season and didn't get any improvements at all.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

I'd have to agree. Had they landed Bosh, even letting Parsons go, I'd have picked them to finish #2~4 in the West. Now, even though I like Ariza a lot, I got them in the #6~7 range. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they missed the playoffs, considering how much better the Pelicans and Mavs got and the fact Suns and Nuggets should be better.

But plenty of time in FAcy.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

Be ware of Ariza Houston fans. The dude is a contract year player and has shown no consistency throughout his career. He's a catch and shoot player and can't function well without a good PG which Houston doesn't have. Get ready to be disappointed.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Be ware of Ariza Houston fans. The dude is a contract year player and has shown no consistency throughout his career. He's a catch and shoot player and can't function well without a good PG which Houston doesn't have. Get ready to be disappointed.

Harden will make shots for him. Harden has a grand total of one play in pick and roll, and lucky for Ariza it sends the ball right to him.

[Johnny Jones]

Part of Ariza's great succes in Washington was due to the structured offense. I know McHale runs a Read + React system, I don't know if Ariza can be as succesful in that.

[NugzFan]

Not on the court, no. The Rockets wont miss them much.

:oldlol: can't wait to see their replacements.

[DMAVS41]

with the remaining FA pool there's no one out there left that is worth spending a large chunk of cash on. According to ********* salaries at least, thats what i checked, both Lin and Asik were expirers. Houston gave up draft picks to get rid of them. so they can't sign anyone worth a while this offseason and gave up draft picks to clear room when they could hav eused them even if for a limited amount this year and shed them next year anyways. correct me if i'm wrong though. just trying to understand.

Didn't the Rockets get a pick for Asik? I know they gave up one to shed Lin, but I think they got the Pelicans pick..which is only top 3 protected iirc.

That could easily be a lottery pick next summer with the loaded West.

The Rockets have to add players now regardless. The only have a few guys right now...right?

Harden/Beverly/Ariza/Howard/Jones/Montejunas

For all the noise, that is actually a great top 6 to have. They just have to fill out the roster.

[BallsOut]

Losing Lin wasn't exactly a negative.

Parsons was replaced by Ariza who will fill in just fine.

Asik's lost will hurt them in terms of big depth. Not like he played with Dwight. The chemistry will improve a lot without Asik's bitching.

They still need to make a few more moves.

[KungFuJoe]

Morey is a fool with no sense of chemistry or showing appreciation for his players. They are nothing but pawns to him. And they show no loyalty in return.

Same with McHale. Now you know why McHale got to keep his job. Him and morey have the same mindset. And that's why Houston will be a mediocre franchise for a long long time.

[Jameerthefear]

Lin is a shitty player so not a big deal to lose him.
Asik will be the biggest loss imo, but he missed like 1/2 the season and they managed. They have a lot of money to play with so.