View Full Version : Chandler Parsons: Cuban and Carlisle see me as a superstar, max-level player.
Rocketswin2013
07-14-2014, 10:20 AM
Parsons was not exactly caught off guard when he learned the Rockets had chosen not to match the Mavericks' offer sheet.
"I'm not surprised," Parsons said. "That's up to them. At the end of the day it's a business. They have to do what's best for their future moving forward. It's out of my control. That was on them."
"I viewed myself as an up and coming star in this league," Parsons said. "They were the ones that made the offer and look at me like a franchise-max player. That's what I wanted. I want to be a priority.
"I want a bigger role. (Mavericks owner) Mark Cuban and Coach (Rick) Carlisle made that clear to me, that's how they view me and that's what I'll be in Dallas. I couldn't be more excited for the opportunity."
And Parsons will be earning the kind of money that goes with being a star in the NBA.
"I've worked for this," Parsons said. "Nothing's been ever given to me. People always doubted me. That didn't come easy. There were a lot of ups and downs.
"Just tried to continue to prove people wrong. It's just a great feeling." Interesting.
ALBballer
07-14-2014, 10:27 AM
Mavs overpaid and Chandler is a borderline All-Star player. Maybe he works his way up to a legitimate All-star talent
But the Mavs had to overpay to add some real talent to the team. Chandler is probably worth around 10-12 million and they signed him to 15 million. The extra 3-5 million would have been enough to keep a player like Vince Carter, therefore, I don't think the deal is that bad and the fact it is only 2 years with a player option makes it better.
Mavs did well, sure he isn't D-Will or Melo but he can be a legitimate number 2.
$15mil too much these teams are overpaying everyone again. Stupid. Houston was wise to save money wit Ariza
ALBballer
07-14-2014, 10:36 AM
$15mil too much these teams are overpaying everyone again. Stupid. Houston was wise to save money wit Ariza
I would rather overpay on Chandler's potential @ 15 million then sign a player like Ariza @ $8 mill/year or Deng @ $10mill/year.
Mavs had to overpay to sign parsons in order for Houston not to match.
GimmeThat
07-14-2014, 10:36 AM
I haven't watched the guy play at all.
But knowing the type of player he's played with, the stats he put up as well as the roster he will be on.
I think he could be a decent passer in the open court, as well as someone who can make the weak side passes with vision and ease.
at his height, if he could develope something like a set shot, a really fast release or something similar to Tim Duncan's bank shot while opponents are anticipating the pass.
He could really trouble the opponents defense as well as annoy his defender. Especially while Dirk is still slowly aging out of his prime.
I think Hayward has a style more similar to Harden now I think about it.
Another up and coming player who I haven't really watched at all.
Haymaker
07-14-2014, 10:37 AM
Mavs did well, sure he isn't D-Will or Melo but he can be a legitimate number 2.
He's better than DWill though.
I would rather overpay on Chandler's potential @ 15 million then sign a player like Ariza @ $8 mill/year or Deng @ $10mill/year.
Mavs had to overpay to sign parsons in order for Houston not to match.
Yeah y'all did and that sucks. At least it's only 3 years, wonder if the 3rd year has an option or nah?
dannywpt
07-14-2014, 10:39 AM
I haven't watched the guy play at all.
But knowing the type of player he's played with, the stats he put up as well as the roster he will be on.
I think he could be a decent passer in the open court, as well as someone who can make the weak side passes with vision and ease.
at his height, if he could develope something like a set shot, a really fast release or something similar to Tim Duncan's bank shot while opponents are anticipating the pass.
He could really trouble the opponents defense as well as annoy his defender. Especially while Dirk is still slowly aging out of his prime.
I think Hayward has a style more similar to Harden now I think about it.
Another up and coming player who I haven't really watched at all.
:biggums:
BoutPractice
07-14-2014, 10:41 AM
I like him. I think he can be an all-star, on the level of a Detlef Schrempf, but not a superstar.
Rocketswin2013
07-14-2014, 10:42 AM
I would rather overpay on Chandler's potential @ 15 million then sign a player like Ariza @ $8 mill/year or Deng @ $10mill/year.
Mavs had to overpay to sign parsons in order for Houston not to match.
Parsons is about to be 26. How much potential could he have?
ALBballer
07-14-2014, 10:44 AM
Yeah y'all did and that sucks. At least it's only 3 years, wonder if the 3rd year has an option or nah?
Player option IIRC.
Gordan Hayward got 4 years/63 million.
It's only a 3 year deal and the Mavs have struck out on the marquee FAs, and considering Dirk will sign a cap friendly deal at around 10 million or so, I think it was a good move.
mavs should still have enough to go after a big name free agent next year as well especially if Ellis opts out.
ALBballer
07-14-2014, 10:46 AM
Parsons is about to be 26. How much potential could he have?
Who knows. His role will increased on the Mavs and we will find out what kind of player he is.
Player option IIRC.
Gordan Hayward got 4 years/63 million.
It's only a 3 year deal and the Mavs have struck out on the marquee FAs, and considering Dirk will sign a cap friendly deal at around 10 million or so, I think it was a good move.
mavs should still have enough to go after a big name free agent next year as well especially if Ellis opts out.
Gotcha.
I don't think Gordon deserved that either. White Iggy. But I get why teams overpay. It just sucks is all. Parsons 3 year with a player option is better than Gordon's. So essentially you'll have parsons for 2 years guaranteed barring any trade which I doubt will happen but who knows. Hopefully he performs.
lilgodfather1
07-14-2014, 10:52 AM
This contract is a perfect example of why we have lockouts. He is a good player, but he is not worth max money, how ridiculous.
ALBballer
07-14-2014, 10:53 AM
Gotcha.
I don't think Gordon deserved that either. White Iggy. But I get why teams overpay. It just sucks is all. Parsons 3 year with a player option is better than Gordon's. So essentially you'll have parsons for 2 years guaranteed barring any trade which I doubt will happen but who knows. Hopefully he performs.
Ye agreed man. Gordon didn't deserve that much either but considering the Jazz are a small market team, they weren't going to let him go.
Players like Josh Smith and Iggy got 12+ last year. Chandler at 15 million on a 3 year deal isn't that bad.
R.I.P.
07-14-2014, 10:55 AM
You need to look at the overall picture.
Right now the Mavs pay Parsons/Dirk/Ellis a combined 33 million dollars. That
Nastradamus
07-14-2014, 11:06 AM
Those 2 tall, shooting Fs on Dallas will be interesting to watch. It will make a lot of space for Monta,Harris and co to slash and create.
IMObjective
07-14-2014, 11:09 AM
Dirk - "I took a paycut for this?
DirkNowitzki41
07-14-2014, 11:12 AM
[QUOTE=R.I.P.]You need to look at the overall picture.
Right now the Mavs pay Parsons/Dirk/Ellis a combined 33 million dollars. That
Take Your Lumps
07-14-2014, 11:20 AM
Mark Cuban in a few years when he realizes what he did:
https://i.imgur.com/rbhgsaB.gif
ALBballer
07-14-2014, 11:22 AM
Dirk - "I took a paycut for this?
Well it was either that or overpaying for Deng/Ariza and resigning Vince Carter and Matrix for another year.
Rocketswin2013
07-14-2014, 11:23 AM
Well it was either that or overpaying for Deng/Ariza and resigning Vince Carter and Matrix for another year.
Ariza could have been had for just $8 mil
Purch
07-14-2014, 11:26 AM
Well going from Mchale to Carlisle is like going from playing middle school pick up games...to playing well nba basketball
dr.hee
07-14-2014, 11:27 AM
Wow. Dirk-Ellis-Parsons for 33mill is amazing :applause: Those 3 fit perfectly on offense.
Agree. I mean Amare/Bargnani earn 35 mil next year, DWill/Johnson 46 mil...so that's a pretty fair price. And Chandler/Harris/Jefferson/Crowder are solid pieces as well. This team looks pretty promising, should be an upgrade from last season, where the Mavs could already compete with any team based on Carlisle's skill. Not too bad.
ALBballer
07-14-2014, 11:30 AM
Ariza could have been had for just $8 mil
We all know what kind of player Ariza is and he came off a career contract year. I would rather take a gamble on Parsons who has more upside.
bizil
07-14-2014, 11:31 AM
I like him. I think he can be an all-star, on the level of a Detlef Schrempf, but not a superstar.
That's exactly who I compare Parsons to as well! At one time, Detlef was a top 5 SF in the L. And in the all around sense, Detlef was often in the top 2-3 SF's in the L. Only reason why Detlef wasn't superstar was the alpha dog gene, but he was a very capable number 2 or 3 scorer for a team. That's how I view Parsons as well. Dallas is once again building a team with 2-3 legit All Star kind of players around a legend in Dirk. I think Dallas will sneak up on teams in the West once again!
boozehound
07-14-2014, 11:34 AM
It was a fine move for Dallas, but I think houston was smart not too match (perhaps too smart, since they could've just kept him a year and then tried to re-sign him as a UFA).
Hes definitely not worth this contract (and would not have gotten it as a UFA), but thats the only way to get a RFA away from their own team.
Le Shaqtus
07-14-2014, 11:37 AM
Parson's is one of my favourite players, but he is not worth max money. Hopefully his play will live up to his contract though.
KungFuJoe
07-14-2014, 11:38 AM
Ariza is a good player (used to be one of my favs), but he's getting up there in age and his ceiling was reached a long time ago. He's a very good defender and a spot up three point shooter, but that's about it. He's not going to all of a sudden improve.
Parsons is young and he's MORE skilled, overall, than Ariza. Yeah, his defense sucks, but he tries and he hustles and there's no reason he can't get better. He can run the break as well as anyone in the NBA and when he's on, he can score in every conceivable way...3 pointers, midrange, drives to the hoop. He's GREAT in the fast break and good in a halfcourt set. The only thing he really needs to improve on (besides his flat shot) is being able to create his own shot.
He also plays with a chip on his shoulder, which I like.
backb0ard
07-14-2014, 11:44 AM
Ariza could have been had for just $8 mil
That's an overpay.
tontoz
07-14-2014, 11:45 AM
Dirk - "I took a paycut for this?
:lol
Dirk making $5million less than Parsons is pretty ridiculous.
tontoz
07-14-2014, 11:51 AM
Well it was either that or overpaying for Deng/Ariza and resigning Vince Carter and Matrix for another year.
Before free agency started i was sure they would go for Ariza if they struck out on the big names.
Ariza is a limited player offensively but is a top defender. As long as he doesn't try to do too much off the dribble he is probably a better player than Parsons.
Darius
07-14-2014, 12:13 PM
If I was Dirk I would be salty that $5m/year that should be his went to Parsons instead.
If that money went to Melo or Bosh? That's cool... but Parsons??
Dirk is a significantly more impactful player than Parsons now and is make $5m/year less.
R.I.P.
07-14-2014, 12:16 PM
If I was Dirk I would be salty that $5m/year that should be his went to Parsons instead.
If that money went to Melo or Bosh? That's cool... but Parsons??
Dirk is a significantly more impactful player than Parsons now and is make $5m/year less.
If you were Dirk, you woudln
Xsatyr
07-14-2014, 12:30 PM
Parsons does not have much upside. He didn't progress much over the pass two years but his defense has def regressed. He also has inflated stats playing for the Rockets. Maybe Carlisle can get a little more out of him but he is not worth anything near 15 mil.
ALBballer
07-14-2014, 12:33 PM
If I was Dirk I would be salty that $5m/year that should be his went to Parsons instead.
If that money went to Melo or Bosh? That's cool... but Parsons??
Dirk is a significantly more impactful player than Parsons now and is make $5m/year less.
If Dirk was salty about money he should of just signed with Houston that was offering him the max supposedly. He probably could have gotten the max from the Mavs as well.
Dirk has made over 200 million in his career and I think he would rather played with an overpaid Parsons than a group of Ariza, Vince Carter and etc. I think FO asked for his input on the signing as well.
disel
07-14-2014, 12:35 PM
Especially when for half the price you can get Ariza who Is a better 3pt shooter and far superior defender and not much of a overall downgrade.Heck Deng who Is a superior player and he went for 10 million.
You have to overpay to get players to change teams.
The new CBA did that. Now you have guys like Parsons making more than several all stars.
StephHamann
07-14-2014, 01:00 PM
Especially when for half the price you can get Ariza who Is a better 3pt shooter and far superior defender and not much of a overall downgrade.Heck Deng who Is a superior player and he went for 10 million.
avy bet parons plays the way better season than both these guys
GimmeThat
07-14-2014, 01:36 PM
I feel like the Mavs bench is where the hot seats are.
Mr Exlax
07-14-2014, 01:37 PM
I still say he's gonna be really good on Dallas. He'll earn his salary. He'll be a focal point on the team. Great coaching will do wonders for this guy. We'll have McHale for 1 more season so we were doomed anyway.
dirkdiggler41
07-14-2014, 01:42 PM
Dirk took the paycut because he would never be the player he is without Cuban. Just look at how many players the Mavs have had over the years, but they never came close to trading Dirk. There was a rumour about Dirk for Shaq (when he got traded to the Heat), but Cuban said no because Dirk was involved.
Chandler is a overpaid, but it does not matter when its a max 3 year for a great overall player in his prime.
And lets not forget that the Mavs took Chandler from a rival team, not some overcaped team from the east, it was from a team in the same state.
pastis
07-14-2014, 01:47 PM
If Dirk was salty about money he should of just signed with Houston that was offering him the max supposedly. He probably could have gotten the max from the Mavs as well.
Dirk has made over 200 million in his career and I think he would rather played with an overpaid Parsons than a group of Ariza, Vince Carter and etc. I think FO asked for his input on the signing as well.
cuban wouldnt offered dirk the max. and houston giving dirk the max? source?
tomtucker
07-14-2014, 01:48 PM
This contract is a perfect example of why we have lockouts. He is a good player, but he is not worth max money, how ridiculous.
said the guy with this avatar
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http://www.televisioninternet.com/news/pictures/kobe-bryant-30000-points-record.jpg
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:roll:
KungFuJoe
07-14-2014, 01:55 PM
Parsons does not have much upside. He didn't progress much over the pass two years but his defense has def regressed. He also has inflated stats playing for the Rockets. Maybe Carlisle can get a little more out of him but he is not worth anything near 15 mil.
I agree with most of this...especially the defense part...but remember he went from arguably the 2nd option, next to Harden, to 3rd option behind Harden/Howard. And when Harden is on your team, he is basically the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option.
Also, McHale has no idea on how to play defense...he constantly stuck Parsons on guys he had no business guarding like Lilliard, CP3, etc. Durant lit him the **** up, but that's Durant we're talking about.
I think he can only get better defensively.
brain drain
07-14-2014, 01:58 PM
Dirk took the paycut because he would never be the player he is without Cuban.
That's just ridiculous. There are quite a few reasons to say that Dirk is the player he is in spite of what Cuban / the Mavs did (3 PF season, letting Nash walk for nothing, hiring clueless rookie coach Avery, blowing up the championship team because Cuban was the only one who had understood the implications of the new CBA and I might think of a few more).
Lets be real: the Mavs are nowhere close to the Spurs for example as far as being able to draft / hire great players, pulling rabbits out of their hats. Sure, they aren't the Clippers either, but it's not like they're a uniquely perfect organization, far from it.
Dirk could've had just as much success elsewhere - and possibly quite a bit more had he played for an organization that would've understood the necessity of pairing him with a good mobile defensive C earlier on (or at least would've kept the one that fell in their lap and fit like a glove).
ralph_i_el
07-15-2014, 09:34 AM
Mavs overpaid and Chandler is a borderline All-Star player. Maybe he works his way up to a legitimate All-star talent
But the Mavs had to overpay to add some real talent to the team. Chandler is probably worth around 10-12 million and they signed him to 15 million. The extra 3-5 million would have been enough to keep a player like Vince Carter, therefore, I don't think the deal is that bad and the fact it is only 2 years with a player option makes it better.
Mavs did well, sure he isn't D-Will or Melo but he can be a legitimate number 2.
They'll be regretting the player option imo. Dirk took a pay cut so they could overpay some talent and it worked out. Chandler being deployed according to Carslie's system will be nasty. Ellis is going to have so much space to work with.
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