George Gervin VS Julius Erving

[Iceman#44]

Huge Iceman fan here, so...


I was stunned while looking at Doc NBA resum

[Dr.J4ever]

[QUOTE=Iceman#44]Huge Iceman fan here, so...


I was stunned while looking at Doc NBA resum

[kennethgriffin]

i have erving top 15

gervin top 30

this isnt even a debate

[Kblaze8855]

Ive literally heard out of George Gervins mouth that he didnt care if his man scored 30 on him because he was gonna score 40 back.

They were not the same kind of player. If Doctor J were not so unselfish of course he could have score 40 more often.

But he tried to play the game as one of 5.

Gervin wanted to score...period. He would get to his spots and try to score. Doc was letting everyone play and picking his spots.

Not like Doc was out there taking 30 shots and failing to score a lot.

Doc might take 16-20 shots in a flow of the game. If Gervin takes 20 its 20 more deliberate set up shots. Kinda like how Kidd and Steve Francis might both take 15-16 shots...but Kidds are more opportunistic than looking for it.

A subtle difference but its there if you care to look.

I liked Gervin though. Mostly because of 86. I met him several times and he and BJ Armstrong are the nicest NBA players I ever spoke with.

[GimmeThat]

contrary to what most coaches would teach their guard.

I think there are great importance in guards ability to play the game, not just laterally and foward, but also backward.

this concept even applies to the handchecking rule, while conventional wisdom would be to keep the players out. But the ability to play backward also means directing an opposing player towards a certain direction you'd like them to go.

I think any players that appreciate, and utilizes help defense would agree with this.

looking at the stats, Gervin as the great scorer probably had more focus on pushing the ball towards the basket. While Erving probably had more impact on a half court setting where it was about stopping this possession as one, then scoring on the other end as another.

Or maybe Gervin looked at the possession ended when our team has scored.




I'm just making stuff up here.

[Marchesk]

So Erving averaged 2 more rebounds, 1 more assist, 0.5 more steals, and twice as many blocks while winning two more titles and three more MVPs (counting the ABA in terms of titles and MVPs).

Looks to me like Dr J was the better overall player, and Gervin was the better scorer (in part due to Gervin choosing to focus on scoring and Erving on being a team player). You can make the same argument for Dantley as Gervin, and nobody has Dantley above Dr J. You can add Melo to the list as well.

[WillC]

Interesting comparison. The statistics at face value do suggest that the difference between Gervin and Erving is relatively minimal (in the NBA, at least).

However, Erving was a much better defender than Gervin. That's the main difference between the two. Erving played on better teams which helps him in the W column, but I feel that he was more of a team player.

I actually feel that both players are underrated historically. I'd be comfortable with Gervin around the 25-30 range all-time.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Gervin's underrated these days, he led teams that weren't all that, far in the post-season various times, as well, while raising his game... But Erving was just the better player and has a better resume. Iceman was definitely the better scorer but Doc got him rebounding, playmaking and defense, at the end of the day and overall, just the better player although it's not all that far.

[Iceman#44]

So would you Rank Gervin as a top 20 if he won the MVP during that 79 season?

[L.Kizzle]

This is like comparing Nique Wilkins to Clyde Drexler. Yeah Nique might give you 6 more points but Clyde is giving you more of everything else.

[bizil]

Gervin's underrated these days, he led teams that weren't all that, far in the post-season various times, as well, while raising his game... But Erving was just the better player and has a better resume. Iceman was definitely the better scorer but Doc got him rebounding, playmaking and defense, at the end of the day and overall, just the better player although it's not all that far.


Right on the money! It's Doc's all around game that gives him the edge. But Gervin was the best scorer in the world (at least perimeter wise) and redefined the SG spot. His blend of midrange game, post game, slashing to the rack is only matched by MJ and Kobe among SG's. But I think both really redefined the SG and SF position along with Thompson, Maravich, and later Bird in the 70's and 80's.

[SexSymbol]

What I found funny is that when iceman got on first take ant talked to skip and stephen he bragged about his FG% like three times.

Erving had heart, end of comparison

[LAZERUSS]

Gervin was truly one of the most explosive scorers in NBA history. In terms of peak scoring over the course of say three straight seasons, he probably ranks behind...

Wilt
MJ
Kareem
McAdoo
Baylor
Kobe

But, his overall RESUME was not on Erving's level.

Furthermore, it's a shame that Erving's peak came in his ABA years. If you give at least some credence to his ABA seasons, his career resume vaults him close to Top-10 all-time.

[To4]

the Fanger roll!!!

[feyki]

Gervin was better scorer for sure . He's my greatest scorer of SF position in basketball history ( probably with Durant) .

He's one of the top 40-45 GOAT too . And there was not a big difference in between of two's level at between 77-82 .

But Erving was still better with his all around game .

Erving and Gervin faced at 79 playoffs . Both had around 26 ppg . But look at their 79 playoffs other numbers ;

Erving - 7.8 Reb , 5.9 Ast , 2 Stl , 1.9 Blk

Gervin - 5.9 Reb , 2.5 Ast , 1.9 Stl , 1 Blk

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[houston]

erving.........gervin was selfish as hell he was the t-mac of 80's

[Stringer Bell]

Nice to see Erving getting praise for his overall game. I thought he was a pretty good defender, rebounder, and passer for the most part.

One of his good defensive displays was the 83' Finals, he was swatting shots like a center.

[bizil]

Peak-prime wise goes to Doc. Mainly due to Doc's edge in all around ability. But Gervin was the most devastating perimeter scorer in the world for several years though. I would give him the slight edge over Doc scoring wise due to his scoring skillset and efficiency. BUT if Doc wasn't playing on that deep ass Philly team, he would have scored 30 PPG multiple seasons. And win some scoring titles.

GOAT wise would go to the Doctor too. BOTH of their stats go up clearly a higher level when u include their ABA stuff. But Doc, Ice, and Thompson were WAY AHEAD of their time in the 70's when they hit their prime. Doc gets his props for sure because he was the face of the league.

BUT the Iceman was a beast who tends to get underrated a bit these days. If u factor his ABA resume, u could ARGUE he's a top 5 GOAT SG. After MJ, Kobe, West, and Wade, I think Iceman is right there.

[HylianNightmare]

I remember watching highlights of gervin while I was in college and thinking he looked like a great scorer . Wish I could've seen more

[Jasper]

saw both players play , and Doc was without a doubt a showman , for the Big Stage.

Gervin was slick as ice , he would score on you , before you knew it.
sneaky ?? Just outstanding players.

Erving Jumper was never really 100% reliable.. he love to drive jsut like Worthy