Knicks get Love or is it LarrySanders or Josh Smith

[el gringos]

You know Phil's not sitting on his ass waiting for something to come knock on his door like all these idiots think. "Oh just wait for 2015 or 2016" superstar is coming for nothing but cap space

So you know he's about the make another big trade.

Calderon
Jr smith
Carmelo
_______
Bargnani



So who will Phil get to put in there? Love, sanders, or Smith?


"Knicks have nothing to give"? Bullsht

Amare, Hardaway, Jeramy Tyler, thanasis, cleanthony early, Ellington, shumpert, Larkin, prigioni or dalembert. There's a combination in there good enough to get one of those 3.

The Knicks are way more in the middle of the love budding because of the ability to take in other contracts and it being the only bidder not trying to hold onto a single guy like gs is w thompson, or Cleveland is w wiggins

And even if it's sanders or smith? Watch out. Which of those 3 guys do you think the Knicks will trade for?

[Levity]

of the names mentioned, smith would be my only guess, because no doubt the pistons are desperate to let him (that contract) go

no way they get love
and im willing to bet sanders is off the market. jkidd wanted to trade lopez for him last year. so no doubt he wants to coach the guy.

[Legends66NBA7]

Please get Josh Smith on the Knicks. That would be amazing.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You know Phil's not sitting on his ass waiting for something to come knock on his door like all these idiots think. "Oh just wait for 2015 or 2016" superstar is coming for nothing but cap space

So you know he's about the make another big trade.

Calderon
Jr smith
Carmelo
_______
Bargnani



So who will Phil get to put in there? Love, sanders, or Smith?


"Knicks have nothing to give"? Bullsht

Amare, Hardaway, Jeramy Tyler, thanasis, cleanthony early, Ellington, shumpert, Larkin, prigioni or dalembert. There's a combination in there good enough to get one of those 3.

The Knicks are way more in the middle of the love budding because of the ability to take in other contracts and it being the only bidder not trying to hold onto a single guy like gs is w thompson, or Cleveland is w wiggins

And even if it's sanders or smith? Watch out. Which of those 3 guys do you think the Knicks will trade for?

No combination of those 3 are gonna get you Love...EVER

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Please get Josh Smith on the Knicks. That would be amazing.
:roll:

lowest IQ team...

[Rameek]

none of the above and you been pushing this trash for months. No matter how you package your sh!t once open its still sh!t . (Larry & Josh)

Knicks have no chips for Love. Check what Minny has been offered.

[HurricaneKid]

LOL @ OP.

You have two second round picks listed in your list of "assets", including one taken at #51.

Do you seriously think A) he is ever going to play in the league and if so B) you can trade him in a package to get a top 10 player.

Do you comprehend the disconnect we are talking about here?

[hawksdogsbraves]

Josh Smith is a perfect fit for the Knicks :rockon:

[QuebecBaller]

Please Phil, find a way to get Josh Smith. Pistons fans would be so happy

[Heavincent]

"Knicks have nothing to give"? Bullsht

Amare, Hardaway, Jeramy Tyler, thanasis, cleanthony early, Ellington, shumpert, Larkin, prigioni or dalembert.

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[RoundMoundOfReb]

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seriously...this is why everybody laughs at knicks fans

[Rameek]

Understand this OP isnt a Knick fan and basketball must be his 8th favorite sport.

[MVBallin2K]

If Minny won't give Love without Wiggins in a deal, you really think they're gonna want any of those players you listed?

I don't know how any of those players would fit on the Pistons either. It's not a rebuilding team anymore and they signed a guy like Meeks to a huge contract so they don't need an SG. Even if they wanted to get rid of Smith's contract, they can get better than that.

Larry Sanders is the same case. They can get better than that if they want him gone. I think the funniest part of the whole post is that you listed Jeremy Tyler as an asset. I'm sorry but THAT is desperation :oldlol: .

[Meticode]

Please get Josh Smith on the Knicks. That would be amazing.
Imagine if he was on the team last year. TNT could have a whole segment of Shaqtin'-A-Fool just for the Knicks alone.

[Patrick Chewing]

I despise gringos as much as the next guy with his insane trade proposals, but he was right about that bum Bargnani landing on this team.

[el gringos]

Please Phil, find a way to get Josh Smith. Pistons fans would be so happy
Smith and jerebko

For Amare

[el gringos]

If Minny won't give Love without Wiggins in a deal, you really think they're gonna want any of those players you listed?

I don't know how any of those players would fit on the Pistons either. It's not a rebuilding team anymore and they signed a guy like Meeks to a huge contract so they don't need an SG. Even if they wanted to get rid of Smith's contract, they can get better than that.

Larry Sanders is the same case. They can get better than that if they want him gone. I think the funniest part of the whole post is that you listed Jeremy Tyler as an asset. I'm sorry but THAT is desperation :oldlol: .
Minny won't deal love to Cleveland? That's my point, other teams are falling out for having too much to offer and not being willing to put their best offer out there. The Knicks have kept their best offer out there and improved it.

[Rameek]

I despise gringos as much as the next guy with his insane trade proposals, but he was right about that bum Bargnani landing on this team.
Those previous Gm's were stupid and fired, now we got a smart one. If this guy is right I will let him pick my avy for 3 months.

[QuebecBaller]

Smith and jerebko

For Amare

Deal

[smoovegittar]

Josh Smith is a stupid bag of shit not worth his weight in potato peelings. We already have 1 dumb Smith; we need 2?

Gringos at it again. He won't be happy until NY looks like a European team.

Let Amare beast in the pick and roll. Save the money for next season. Play the freakin' kids, alright?

Christ... I just reel from the stupidity.

[el gringos]

Josh Smith is a stupid bag of shit not worth his weight in potato peelings. We already have 1 dumb Smith; we need 2?

Gringos at it again. He won't be happy until NY looks like a European team.

Let Amare beast in the pick and roll. Save the money for next season. Play the freakin' kids, alright?

Christ... I just reel from the stupidity.
speaking a bit early. You soon will realize that pick and roll is no longer the only offense other than stand around and ISO. Amare doesn't fit this new system. People that laugh about the part of getting amare in the trade as a negative are crazy. There are a lot of teams he could fit, there are a lot of teAms he could help, there are a lot of teams he could lead. Just not this system and this team.

Beast in the pick and roll? He's already had those chances in ny. Now it's on to multi dimensional players like Carmelo, bargnani, and Jr

[hawkfan]

Andrea Bargnani and JR Smith for Josh Smith (from the Pistons).

Phil has coached problems in Dennis Rodman and Ron Artest, he can deal with Josh Smith, return him to his form in Atlanta and improve his decision-making.

The Pistons would clear themselves of Josh's contract, since Bargnani is an expirer, and then next year let JR go.

[el gringos]

Damn if you really could get smith and jerebko for amare?


Calderon/shumpert
Jr/Hardaway jr/thanasis
Carmelo/cleanthony
JoshSmith/Tyler/jerebko
Bargnani/dalembert


Yeah right- a lot of teams have that kind of talent.


Ps. Josh smith is option #3 after love/sanders

[TheReal Kendall]

In Phil We Trust - Knicks fans :lol

[smoovegittar]

speaking a bit early. You soon will realize that pick and roll is no longer the only offense other than stand around and ISO. Amare doesn't fit this new system. People that laugh about the part of getting amare in the trade as a negative are crazy. There are a lot of teams he could fit, there are a lot of teAms he could help, there are a lot of teams he could lead. Just not this system and this team.

Beast in the pick and roll? He's already had those chances in ny. Now it's on to multi dimensional players like Carmelo, bargnani, and Jr

I value his expiring contract, and the fact that he made big contributions to the team as he was healthier than we've seen in 3 years. Who are you dumping the ball down low to? You say he's had chances? Under who's leadership? And again, you are as quick to dismiss STAT on our team as you are to praise your beloved Bargnani, who has shown little game and no heart.

I would love to hear your take on Phil Jackson - your opinion of him as a decision-maker and evaluater, as opposed to just the trade threads you keep devising.

[smoovegittar]

Andrea Bargnani and JR Smith for Josh Smith (from the Pistons).

Phil has coached problems in Dennis Rodman and Ron Artest, he can deal with Josh Smith, return him to his form in Atlanta and improve his decision-making.

The Pistons would clear themselves of Josh's contract, since Bargnani is an expirer, and then next year let JR go.
Problems are one thing; stupidity is another. You think Melo is gonna put up with both Smith boys calling for the ball?

C'mon, man -

[-Lebron23-]

Gringos trade proposals are always about teams exchanging dumb players.

[NuggetsFan]

I despise gringos as much as the next guy with his insane trade proposals, but he was right about that bum Bargnani landing on this team.

He was pushing that trade on the Nuggets too. He's always had this obsession with teaming Melo up with Bargs and Spencer Hawes for some reason.


Understand this OP isnt a Knick fan and basketball must be his 8th favorite sport.

Pretty sure he's a Melo fan. He did the same proposals when Melo played for the Nuggets. Loves J.R too.

[el gringos]

Problems are one thing; stupidity is another. You think Melo is gonna put up with both Smith boys calling for the ball?

C'mon, man -
He's never played in a lineup with 2 guys that good before- how do you know? Carmelo's been a "chucker" when surrounded by dahntay jones, Anthony carter, Felton, chandler types. How do you know what happens I'd you put him around smiths, Calderon bargnabi types?


Career year coming for Carmelo when they build around h and not despite him for the first time ever

[smoovegittar]

He's never played in a lineup with 2 guys that good before- how do you know? Carmelo's been a "chucker" when surrounded by dahntay jones, Anthony carter, Felton, chandler types. How do you know what happens I'd you put him around smiths, Calderon bargnabi types?


Career year coming for Carmelo when they build around h and not despite him for the first time ever
So you think Josh Smith is a good fit on a team that's rebuilding and trying to change their image.

I tried...... :facepalm

[el gringos]

So you think Josh Smith is a good fit on a team that's rebuilding and trying to change their image.

I tried...... :facepalm
As opposed to amare? Yes I do.

[el gringos]

No combination of those 3 are gonna get you Love...EVERim not saying only pick 3. I'm saying here is a list of assets to pick from. I think that group of assets could get Larry sanders or josh smith. If they don't get k love first

[MellowYellow]

speaking a bit early. You soon will realize that pick and roll is no longer the only offense other than stand around and ISO. Amare doesn't fit this new system. People that laugh about the part of getting amare in the trade as a negative are crazy. There are a lot of teams he could fit, there are a lot of teAms he could help, there are a lot of teams he could lead. Just not this system and this team.

Beast in the pick and roll? He's already had those chances in ny. Now it's on to multi dimensional players like Carmelo, bargnani, and Jr

Actually if Amare actually passed sometimes when he gets the ball in the post he would be perfect for the triangle. He can shoot the mid range j is good in the post all he's missing is passing.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

im not saying only pick 3. I'm saying here is a list of assets to pick from. I think that group of assets could get Larry sanders or josh smith. If they don't get k love first
all of those combined wouldn't get you Love

[MellowYellow]

all of those combined wouldn't get you Love

The Cavs tried to offer Bennet, Waiters, and a first round pick

Bargs, Tim Hardaway jr. and a first round pick is at least a better proposal than that.

[hawkfan]

Problems are one thing; stupidity is another. You think Melo is gonna put up with both Smith boys calling for the ball?

C'mon, man -

In my trade scenario, JR Smith gets moved.

But I doubt NY will do this deal, since it would affect cap space for next season.

The Knicks next year should have about 20 million in cap space, and get another 4 million by using the stretch provision on JR Smith. Taking on Josh Smith would cut the available cap space for next year to 14 million, not enough for a max level contract offer (unless the Knicks moved out another big contract).

[Rameek]

He was pushing that trade on the Nuggets too. He's always had this obsession with teaming Melo up with Bargs and Spencer Hawes for some reason.



Pretty sure he's a Melo fan. He did the same proposals when Melo played for the Nuggets. Loves J.R too.
So you all are the blame :facepalm

[RRR3]

El gringos do you not realize Bargnani is horrid?

[el gringos]

In my trade scenario, JR Smith gets moved.

But I doubt NY will do this deal, since it would affect cap space for next season.

The Knicks next year should have about 20 million in cap space, and get another 4 million by using the stretch provision on JR Smith. Taking on Josh Smith would cut the available cap space for next year to 14 million, not enough for a max level contract offer (unless the Knicks moved out another big contract).
Capspace is fools gold. The Knicks need to trade for whatever big salaries they get and not drop down to a 50 million dollar payroll for the shot in the dark that a big fa will show up on their doorstep for free


Bargnani might be traded. For Kevin love. Other than that- he, jr, and Carmelo are the core so far so why not come up w a trade that doesn't include those 3? Are the bucks, pistons, and wolves the only targets?

[bluechox2]

I despise gringos as much as the next guy with his insane trade proposals, but he was right about that bum Bargnani landing on this team.
no way phil would go after sanders or josh smith

triangle rely's on hitting the jumper and both those guys cant shoot for shit

[hawksdogsbraves]

no way phil would go after sanders or josh smith

triangle rely's on hitting the jumper and both those guys cant shoot for shit

Well the triangle also HAS to have a good post player to work, not saying J-Smoove or Sanders would be great at playing on the block, but who is on the Knicks roster right now?

[Y2Gezee]

Capspace is fools gold. The Knicks need to trade for whatever big salaries they get and not drop down to a 50 million dollar payroll for the shot in the dark that a big fa will show up on their doorstep for free


Bargnani might be traded. For Kevin love. Other than that- he, jr, and Carmelo are the core so far so why not come up w a trade that doesn't include those 3? Are the bucks, pistons, and wolves the only targets?


I agree with this somewhat. I think they have a decent shot at Gasol (Memphis is going to offer him the max), but so would the Knicks and the shot to play in the perfect system for him and next to a legit superstar in Melo. But, I wouldn't be shocked if he stayed in Memphis (even though I would say there shot at any type of a run would end after this upcoming year).

But, I'm pretty positive that as long as he isn't traded into an ideal situation, if the Knicks want to force Rondo to fit, they could definitely get him.

Other than that there's not much out there in 2015. Their best bet is to go hard after Love or Gasol or potentially another disgruntled big name, and try to trade for them by any means necessary. The Knicks will have serious cap space, but it could go really bad if they miss out on these guys.

[smoovegittar]

Well the triangle also HAS to have a good post player to work, not saying J-Smoove or Sanders would be great at playing on the block, but who is on the Knicks roster right now?
AMARE :rolleyes:

[smoovegittar]

I agree with this somewhat. I think they have a decent shot at Gasol (Memphis is going to offer him the max), but so would the Knicks and the shot to play in the perfect system for him and next to a legit superstar in Melo. But, I wouldn't be shocked if he stayed in Memphis (even though I would say there shot at any type of a run would end after this upcoming year).

But, I'm pretty positive that as long as he isn't traded into an ideal situation, if the Knicks want to force Rondo to fit, they could definitely get him.

Other than that there's not much out there in 2015. Their best bet is to go hard after Love or Gasol or potentially another disgruntled big name, and try to trade for them by any means necessary. The Knicks will have serious cap space, but it could go really bad if they miss out on these guys.
I think there's 4 reasons Gasol would come over to NY...

1.) Phil Jackson in charge. The pedigree speaks volumes.
2.) Familiarity with Calderon and Prigi
3.) Playing with Carmelo as opposed to Randolph. Zack is a great talent, but not the caliber of Melo
4.) You have a much better shot of going further in the playoffs considering it's the East and this team is on the rise - no doubt.

[el gringos]

AMARE :rolleyes:
Keep dreaming.

The player in the post that the offense will work around is Carmelo

[smoovegittar]

Keep dreaming.

The player in the post that the offense will work around is Carmelo
Carmelo is gonna play the post? You've lost any credibility with me here. I'll leave you to the trolls...

[el gringos]

Carmelo is gonna play the post? You've lost any credibility with me here. I'll leave you to the trolls...
Carmelo is one of the best post up 3's in the history of the league. What don't you get? You know who was the bulls best player in the post? Jordan. You know where Kobe made it w the lakers? Yeah he was the other of the top 2 post playing 2's of all time.


Maybe the confusion comes from not realizing that positions are defensive. When your players have unique offensive skills it's Ok to use them.

[smoovegittar]

Carmelo is one of the best post up 3's in the history of the league. What don't you get? You know who was the bulls best player in the post? Jordan. You know where Kobe made it w the lakers? Yeah he was the other of the top 2 post playing 2's of all time.


Maybe the confusion comes from not realizing that positions are defensive. When your players have unique offensive skills it's Ok to use them.

To "post up" is to establish a position in the low post, the area near the basket below the foul line, usually in order to take advantage of a smaller defender. The offensive player usually faces away from the basket, so that his body can protect the ball from the defender. From this position, options such as spinning or backing down the defender to close in to the basket for better scoring opportunities become available. You're saying that this isn't Amare's job this year?? Melo is the #1 option??

[Knicks101]

Do these n*ggas fit the Triangle?

[bluechox2]

Do these n*ggas fit the Triangle?
melo , bargs and hardaway do

basically, if you can shoot, your perfect

bargs will be used in the high post where he actually is a beat at those 15 footers, only problem is he cant pass for shit,

if you watched Jeremy tyler in summer league, he played that role perfectly

passed to the cutting galloway numerous times, and hit the J when the others forced his man off him

[R.I.P]

It's so sad to see Dirk contract today. How much Melo's discount again? :(

[MellowYellow]

It's so sad to see Dirk contract today. How much Melo's discount again? :(

Dirk is 36 and is #4 among active players in career earnings, Melo is only 30.