Stephen A: "Melo is one of the top 5 offensive players of the modern era."

[fpliii]

Discuss.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Its true, but that depends on what modern era is

[kshutts1]

Define "modern era".

Dirk
Kobe
AI
Lebron

Then what about Durant, Nash, Shaq, Duncan, Pierce....

Edit: And that's just since 2000. I have to assume he's calling "post Jordan" the modern era. Because if we include Jordan's era...

Jordan, Malone, Stockton, arguably Pippen, Barkley, Payton, and I may have missed some. Hardaway merits some discussion, as does Ewing, DRob....

Basically.... I disagree with his statement. As usual, he's just out to get attention.

[dubeta]

Bran
Kirby
Wade
Durant
Melo

Tmac and A.I are retired and not of this era so maybe

[RoundMoundOfReb]

since 2000 off the top of my head:

LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Shaquille O'neal
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan
Tracy Mcgrady (at his best)
Dwyane Wade

are all clearly better...and there are like 20+ more debatable

[HomieWeMajor]

False.
Offense entails much more than chucking 3-pointers 5-feet behind the line and throwing three fingers to your dome.

[Orlando Magic]

Durant, James, Bryant, O'Neal, Nowitzki, Nash, Paul

No, no he's not.

If just going by 2010s... James, Durant, Nowitzki, Paul, Bryant

BTW I'm just talking offense... to clarify. The list becomes larger after that.

Also, don't forget Rose.

[ImKobe]

Melo is a poor man's KD. His skills at the rim are rather weak, isn't that great at drawing contact and getting fouls and he sucks at handling the ball and making plays for his teammates.

I got Lebron, KD, Kobe, Wade, Dirk, Rose, CP3, Westbrook ahead of him at least and that's in the last 5 years. If we're talking from 2000 and forward, there's also Shaq, T-Mac, C-Webb, AI, KG, Duncan, Nash...

His scoring abilities never translated into the Playoffs and he's known for disappearing in big games. He also only won 1 scoring title in his entire career and all he basically does is shoot, even Lebron has a scoring title.

[Fudge]

Lol

[fpliii]

Define "modern era".

Dirk
Kobe
AI
Lebron

Then what about Durant, Nash, Shaq, Duncan, Pierce....
I'm not sure, I wasn't watching when he said this. Just got a text from a friend saying those were his words on First Take.

Maybe someone who was watching can help with the context of his statement. :confusedshrug:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm not sure, I wasn't watching when he said this. Just got a text from a friend saying those were his words on First Take.

Maybe someone who was watching can help with the context of his statement. :confusedshrug:
I listened to it...He said exactly that..was actually about to make a thread about it..

[Trollsmasher]

Stephen A's TOP 5s defy the laws of math. Everyone fits into them and there is nothing below them.

[fpliii]

I listened to it...He said exactly that..was actually about to make a thread about it..
Did he say anything before or after about what the "modern era" is? Does he mean the present NBA?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm not even sure he's a top 5 offensive player RIGHT NOW - as in for the 2014-15 season...

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Love
Curry

can all be called better...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Did he say anything before or after about what the "modern era" is? Does he mean the present NBA?
He didn't clarify about that...typically when people say "modern era" it's post-merger isn't it?

[kshutts1]

I can't believe I forgot TMac, Paul, Wade. Wow. I'm definitely done posting for the day after that blunder.

[fpliii]

He didn't clarify about that...typically when people say "modern era" it's post-merger isn't it?
Generally something like that. Could mean since the shot clock, or since the three was introduced as well.

If he means today's NBA and was just being colorful with his language, I think that's reasonable.

[kentatm]

He didn't clarify about that...typically when people say "modern era" it's post-merger isn't it?


usually its defined as either post merger or post 3 point line.

i've also occasionally seen people say it began at the start of the salary cap era.

like fpliii said, post shot clock used to be one of those qualifiers but the game has changed so much since then I rarely see that anymore.

[kennethgriffin]

4. Kobe Bryant 31700
6. Shaquille O'Neal 28596
10. Dirk Nowitzki 26786
14. Kevin Garnett 25626
18. Paul Pierce 25031
19. Tim Duncan 24904
21. Ray Allen 24505
22. Allen Iverson 24368
25. Vince Carter 23190
27. LeBron James 23170
39. Antawn Jamison 20042
40. Carmelo Anthony 19958
58. Tracy McGrady 18381
71. Jason Kidd 17529
72. Dwyane Wade 17481
75. Shawn Marion 17424
76. Steve Nash 17387
78. Michael Finley 17306
82. Chris Webber 17182
83. Joe Johnson 17172
84. Grant Hill 17137
87. Latrell Sprewell 16712
88. Elton Brand 16661
89. Pau Gasol 16576
91. Jerry Stackhouse 16409
94. Stephon Marbury 16297
98. Tony Parker 16051
99. Rasheed Wallace 16006
104. Chauncey Billups 15802
105. Andre Miller 15779
107. Richard Hamilton 15708
114. Rashard Lewis 15579
124. Chris Bosh 15251
127. Shareef Abdur-Rahim 15028
129. Amar'e Stoudemire 15014
130. Jamal Crawford 14946
132. Kevin Durant 14851




nope

[jlitt]

Melo is one of the best half court perimeter scorers of the past 10 years There is no doubt about it.

But that is all he is good for. He sucks on the defensive side of the court and he doesn't make his teammates better. He is only effective with the ball in his hand .

Also while he is an effective scorer he is not terribly efficient.

[Relinquish]

since 2000 off the top of my head:

LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Shaquille O'neal
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan
Tracy Mcgrady (at his best)
Dwyane Wade

are all clearly better...and there are like 20+ more debatable

None of these players are better offensive players. :facepalm

Many of these are debatable, including: Dirk, Durant and Shaq (Shaq was in no way a more skilled offensive player, as he could not even shoot). We are talking about who has the better offensive skillset, not who is the better player.

[Relinquish]

4. Kobe Bryant 31700
6. Shaquille O'Neal 28596
10. Dirk Nowitzki 26786
14. Kevin Garnett 25626
18. Paul Pierce 25031
19. Tim Duncan 24904
21. Ray Allen 24505
22. Allen Iverson 24368
25. Vince Carter 23190
27. LeBron James 23170
39. Antawn Jamison 20042
40. Carmelo Anthony 19958
58. Tracy McGrady 18381
71. Jason Kidd 17529
72. Dwyane Wade 17481
75. Shawn Marion 17424
76. Steve Nash 17387
78. Michael Finley 17306
82. Chris Webber 17182
83. Joe Johnson 17172
84. Grant Hill 17137
87. Latrell Sprewell 16712
88. Elton Brand 16661
89. Pau Gasol 16576
91. Jerry Stackhouse 16409
94. Stephon Marbury 16297
98. Tony Parker 16051
99. Rasheed Wallace 16006
104. Chauncey Billups 15802
105. Andre Miller 15779
107. Richard Hamilton 15708
114. Rashard Lewis 15579
124. Chris Bosh 15251
127. Shareef Abdur-Rahim 15028
129. Amar'e Stoudemire 15014
130. Jamal Crawford 14946
132. Kevin Durant 14851




nope

Still butthurt that Melo didn't come play for your under .500 lakers? :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

Still butthurt that Melo didn't come play for your under .500 lakers? :oldlol:


i like melo

i have his jersey lol

hes just not a top 5 all time scorer out of the post 2000's era representatives

[kentatm]

None of these players are better offensive players. :facepalm

Many of these are debatable, including: Dirk, Durant and Shaq (Shaq was in no way a more skilled offensive player, as he could not even shoot). We are talking about who has the better offensive skillset, not who is the better player.

:oldlol: No sorry, Dirk, Durant, and Shaq are NOT debatable. Duncan is for sure better. CP3 probably is. Nash is only debatable if you want to argue that he was made by his surrounding cast in Dallas and Phoenix.

and unless we can get a direct quote that says otherwise, SAS was not talking specifically about offensive skillset.

[K Xerxes]

None of these players are better offensive players. :facepalm

Many of these are debatable, including: Dirk, Durant and Shaq (Shaq was in no way a more skilled offensive player, as he could not even shoot). We are talking about who has the better offensive skillset, not who is the better player.

When exactly did 'better offensive player' come to mean 'better offensive skillset'. I'd define offense as how effectively you can help put the ball in the hoop, whether that's by shooting or playmaking. Dirk, Durant and Shaq are clearly better thab Melo at that.

Jamal Crawford is more skilled than Shaq, is he a better offensive player too?

[jimmy77x]

Everyone back to hating on Melo again because he re-signed with the Knicks. ISH is normal again :lol

[Andrei89]

Can shoot 3 pointers, can shoot midrange, can slash to the rim, can post up from close range and long range.

He might not be the a top 5 offensive player, but he damn right can do anything on offense.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LOL Steve Nash is not a batter offensive player than Melo??...He isn't jusy better he's vastly better...

[ImKobe]

None of these players are better offensive players. :facepalm

Many of these are debatable, including: Dirk, Durant and Shaq (Shaq was in no way a more skilled offensive player, as he could not even shoot). We are talking about who has the better offensive skillset, not who is the better player.

Dirk, Durant and Shaq are debatable? THE TITLE SAYS OFFENSIVE PLAYER, NOT SCORER. OFFENSIVE SKILLSET INCLUDES MAKING PLAYS FOR YOUR TEAMMATES AS WELL, NOT JUST CHUCKING THE BALL IN 100 DIFFERENT WAYS, otherwise Kobe would hands down be the GOAT scorer since he's the most fearless chucker ever.

Dirk, Durant and Shaq all have had better scoring seasons (if you don't just look at the highs and look at efficiency) and they are also much better at making plays for their teammates on the offensive end, which Melo lacks a great deal. You ever watch the Knicks play bro? All he does is stop the ball movement and run the clock down, if he doesn't feel comfortable he lets JR take a buzzer beater.


Do you honestly believe he is a better offensive player than Shaq, when no one ever had an answer for him during his prime? What did Shaq do to the best defensive bigs in the game? Drop 40 pt games like it's nothing.

KD debatable? How many scoring titles does this kid have already? And he also brings it in the Playoffs, Melo's Playoff numbers are laughable.

I shouldn't even have to defend Dirk after what he did in the 2011 Playoffs. No one has ever raped my Lakers like he did.

[ImKobe]

LOL Steve Nash is not a batter offensive player than Melo??...He isn't jusy better he's vastly better...

:oldlol: Nash is probably the best point guard of the modern era if you look at the offensive side of the ball. He managed to keep the Suns at the top of the conference and actually win Playoff series despite the team being ranked near dead last on defense. That alone tells you how great he is. Plus the fact that he could score every way possible and be very efficient despite not being strong or lightning quick, his passes are as good as anyone's and Melo could dream of shooting like him.

[kennethgriffin]

Dirk, Durant and Shaq are debatable? THE TITLE SAYS OFFENSIVE PLAYER, NOT SCORER. OFFENSIVE SKILLSET INCLUDES MAKING PLAYS FOR YOUR TEAMMATES AS WELL, NOT JUST CHUCKING THE BALL IN 100 DIFFERENT WAYS, otherwise Kobe would hands down be the GOAT scorer since he's the most fearless chucker ever.

Dirk, Durant and Shaq all have had better scoring seasons (if you don't just look at the highs and look at efficiency) and they are also much better at making plays for their teammates on the offensive end, which Melo lacks a great deal. You ever watch the Knicks play bro? All he does is stop the ball movement and run the clock down, if he doesn't feel comfortable he lets JR take a buzzer beater.


Do you honestly believe he is a better offensive player than Shaq, when no one ever had an answer for him during his prime? What did Shaq do to the best defensive bigs in the game? Drop 40 pt games like it's nothing.


if we're not talking about careers and just offensive skills

- kobe
- iverson
- tmac
- durant
- dirk

those are the 5 most talented offensive players of the modern era

[dubeta]

if we're not talking about careers and just offensive skills

- kobe
- iverson
- tmac
- durant
- dirk

those are the 5 most tallented offensive players of the modern era


missing 55% of all your shots isnt talent

[Orlando Magic]

Anyone who says that Steve Nash wasn't a better offensive player than Carmelo Anthony should probably stop offering opinions on basketball.

[ImKobe]

if we're not talking about careers and just offensive skills

- kobe
- iverson
- tmac
- durant
- dirk

those are the 5 most tallented offensive players of the modern era


I can dig that, though Iverson wasted his potential on chucking jumpers all game, when he was a great passer.

Lebron needs to be in the top 5 bro, take AI out of there since his efficiency was horrible in his prime. Lebron's playmaking + his scoring ability + the efficiency alone put him next to Kobe in that regard, I know you don't like the cat too much but you have to give him that.

[wally_world]

Assuming this is post MJ

Kobe
LeBron
Durant
Nash
CP3
Webber
Dirk
Shaq

No.

[ImKobe]

missing 55% of all your shots isnt talent

But winning 5 rings and being regarded as the greatest Laker of all-time by Magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal and Jerry West is.

boom.

[inclinerator]

he's an offensive juggernaut probably even moreso than durant

[kennethgriffin]

missing 55% of all your shots isnt talent

:lol

kobe shoots more and makes more contested shots than any player in nba history

the guy is literally playstation come to life

you're a f*cking halfwit slackjawed inbred mongrel for even insinuating that fg% = offensive skills


rick barry is one of the top 5 offensive skilled players of all time and he shot 44%

iverson is pound for pound the most offensively skilled player for anyone under the height of 6-2 in nba history and he shot 42%

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:oldlol: Nash is probably the best point guard of the modern era if you look at the offensive side of the ball. He managed to keep the Suns at the top of the conference and actually win Playoff series despite the team being ranked near dead last on defense. That alone tells you how great he is. Plus the fact that he could score every way possible and be very efficient despite not being strong or lightning quick, his passes are as good as anyone's and Melo could dream of shooting like him.
Agreed...Post-Magic I don't think there is a PG i'd take over Nash on offense..

[fpliii]

Everyone back to hating on Melo again because he re-signed with the Knicks. ISH is normal again :lol
I don't think Stephen A is hating on Melo. I'm not his biggest fan, but I have a soft spot for the Knicks so I'm hoping he does well.

If Stephen A means today's league, then his statement isn't outlandish at all. :confusedshrug:

[tmacattack33]

I disagree.

Perhaps he would be a top 5 scorer of the modern era...but when you add in playmaking, then players like Chris Paul, Wade, and Lebron are better than him (and also 2005 Steve Nash, 2000 Jason Kidd, and 2008 Deron Williams if they are considered to be in the "modern era").

[bagelred]

Top 5? Top FIVE? :roll: :roll: OMG:roll: :roll: :roll:


Why so low? :coleman:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe, Wade, Shaq, Nash and Durant are all better.

Top 10 for sure, but that's obvious.

[stephanieg]

It's weird to me how much media personalities slob over Melo's knob. Totally baffling given what he actually does on the floor. At least guys like AI, Marbury and Rose were fun to watch so I can see guys getting excited and hyping them up.

[kentatm]

If Stephen A means today's league, then his statement isn't outlandish at all. :confusedshrug:

I think it would be a bit outlandish to call "today's league" the era of modern basketball.

[Relinquish]

Dirk, Durant and Shaq are debatable? THE TITLE SAYS OFFENSIVE PLAYER, NOT SCORER. OFFENSIVE SKILLSET INCLUDES MAKING PLAYS FOR YOUR TEAMMATES AS WELL, NOT JUST CHUCKING THE BALL IN 100 DIFFERENT WAYS, otherwise Kobe would hands down be the GOAT scorer since he's the most fearless chucker ever.

Dirk, Durant and Shaq all have had better scoring seasons (if you don't just look at the highs and look at efficiency) and they are also much better at making plays for their teammates on the offensive end, which Melo lacks a great deal. You ever watch the Knicks play bro? All he does is stop the ball movement and run the clock down, if he doesn't feel comfortable he lets JR take a buzzer beater.


Do you honestly believe he is a better offensive player than Shaq, when no one ever had an answer for him during his prime? What did Shaq do to the best defensive bigs in the game? Drop 40 pt games like it's nothing.

KD debatable? How many scoring titles does this kid have already? And he also brings it in the Playoffs, Melo's Playoff numbers are laughable.

I shouldn't even have to defend Dirk after what he did in the 2011 Playoffs. No one has ever raped my Lakers like he did.

That's true. It didn't even occur to me that that's what he meant. Either way, you guys really undervalue Melo.

[crisoner]

Stephen A.'s Knicks homering is really getting out of hand.

[ImKobe]

Stephen A.'s Knicks homering is really getting out of hand.

It's funny how he gets all mad at the team for being garbage year in and year out, then proceeds to make statements like these :oldlol:

top 5 offensive player of the modern era can't make the Playoffs over the shitty Atlanta Hawks :roll:

[Skyscraper]

eh i saw that segment of First Take

Right before Knicks and Melo, they were talking about Lebron in Cleveland.


Somewhat surpirsingly, Skip Brainless was flailing "Lebron is 2 for 5! 2-3 in the Finals! No more excuses!"

Sounds like something an ISH troll would talk about.... seriously Skip Brainless must be fishing around these waters for ideas ....



But Screaming A made a great point..

only Jordan was "perfect" for Finals records... every other Hall of Famer (as a #1 option) has lost in the Finals before

[SexSymbol]

eh i saw that segment of First Take

Right before Knicks and Melo, they were talking about Lebron in Cleveland.


Somewhat surpirsingly, Skip Brainless was flailing "Lebron is 2 for 5! 2-3 in the Finals! No more excuses!"

Sounds like something an ISH troll would talk about.... seriously Skip Brainless must be fishing around these waters for ideas ....



But Screaming A made a great point..

only Jordan was "perfect" for Finals records... every other Hall of Famer (as a #1 option) has lost in the Finals before

Was that like wrong or something? What did he do wrong, it's pretty obvious that he doesn't have any excuses if he wants to be remembered as a top 10 player and that he has to win in CLE for that to happen.



To the topic :
Kobe
Iverson
Shaq
TMac
Dirk
VC
Peak Wade
Shit, I'd take Arenas' arsenal over Melo's
Duncan

[NumberSix]

Stephen A. seems like the type that puts 15-20 guys in a "top 5".

[smoovegittar]

Offensive player - we're talking RIGHT NOW? He's #2. He scores more than LeBron...he's right behind KD.

[Legends66NBA7]

What did he define as the modern era ? If it's since the 3 point line has been introduced, he's clearly not Top 5. If it's post Jordan then, again, he's clearly not.

Doubt he's a clear cut Top 5 offensive player right now either. Also, players need to perform in the playoffs at high level and not be inconsistent/crumble to be considering a very good offensive player, let alone Top 5 IMO.

[RRR3]

Debatable if he's even a top 5 scorer in the modern era:coleman:


In terms of overall offensive talent, no way



Is he better than any of these guys?

LeBron
Kobe
Shaq
Dwyane Wade
Orlando T-Mac
CP3
Durant
Steve Nash
Vince Carter
Iverson
Duncan


You can argue others like PP Ray Allen KG Arenas etc

[RRR3]

Offensive player - we're talking RIGHT NOW? He's #2. He scores more than LeBron...he's right behind KD.
He scores slightly more than LeBron on significantly worse percentages the last two years because he shoots way more. LeBron out scores him easily career wise, and has actually scored 30+ PPG twice something Melo has never done. LeBron has been a much better playoff scorer as well. This is completely ignoring that LeBron is worlds ahead of Melo in passing and can run an offense quite effectively. LeBron is quite easily a better scorer than Carmelo, it's not even close to debatable.

[TheReal Kendall]

The hate is unreal in here

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

since 2000 off the top of my head:

LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Shaquille O'neal
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan
Tracy Mcgrady (at his best)
Dwyane Wade

are all clearly better...and there are like 20+ more debatable
Tim Duncan? Are you retarded?
I agree with the rest tho

Maybe Amare or Pierce too

[ImKobe]

He scores slightly more than LeBron on significantly worse percentages the last two years because he shoots way more. LeBron out scores him easily career wise, and has actually scored 30+ PPG twice something Melo has never done. LeBron has been a much better playoff scorer as well. This is completely ignoring that LeBron is worlds ahead of Melo in passing and can run an offense quite effectively. LeBron is quite easily a better scorer than Carmelo, it's not even close to debatable.

offensive player doesn't equal scoring, it also means making plays for others, which Melo sucks at :oldlol:

Plus, Lebron scores at a much more efficient rate.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Is Melo even better offensively than Steph Curry?

[MellowYellow]

Career Stats

PTS RBD AST FG% 3p% ft%

Kobe 25.5 5.3 4.8 .454 .335 .838
Melo 25.3 6.5 3.1 .455 .345 .811
Dirk 22.5 8.1 2.6 .476 .383 .879

Right there with some of the all-time greats

[ImKobe]

Is Melo even better offensively than Steph Curry?

Of course not. Steph is a much better shooter and he plays team basketball.

His offensive numbers this season >>> anything Melo has done in his career

[TheReal Kendall]

Career Stats

PTS RBD AST FG% 3p% ft%

Kobe 25.5 5.3 4.8 .454 .335 .838
Melo 25.3 6.5 3.1 .455 .345 .811
Dirk 22.5 8.1 2.6 .476 .383 .879

Right there with some of the all-time greats

http://media.giphy.com/media/4WnyHXu7GUC1G/giphy.gif

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Tim Duncan? Are you retarded?
I agree with the rest tho

Maybe Amare or Pierce too
Things like: Drawing doubles, offensive rebounding, passing, outlet passing, setting screens count as offensive to me..

[STATUTORY]

stephen a smith has an agenda to pimp melo because melo is his boy and gives him scoops from time to time. SAS has no info on Lebron for example

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Things like: Drawing doubles, offensive rebounding, passing, outlet passing, setting screens count as offensive to me..
Then why dont u put KG? Hes better at Timmy at all those things except offensive rebounding. Hes a much better passer and screener, much better shooter, can space the floor etc

[Milbuck]

I love Melo's game, but this is ****ing ridiculous.

Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Durant, T-Mac, Dirk, Wade, Nash, CP3 are all better, and that's just since Jordan.

Hell, he's just barely top 5 offensively for me right now.. Lebron and KD are undoubtedly better. If we're talking total offensive impact, as in not individual scoring, I'd honestly take CP3 and Curry's impact over Melo's.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Then why dont u put KG? Hes better at Timmy at all those things except offensive rebounding. Hes a much better passer and screener, much better shooter, can space the floor etc
Duncan better at getting better looks...better post game etc...but yeah I would take KG over Melo as well on offense

[smoovegittar]

He scores slightly more than LeBron on significantly worse percentages the last two years because he shoots way more. LeBron out scores him easily career wise, and has actually scored 30+ PPG twice something Melo has never done. LeBron has been a much better playoff scorer as well. This is completely ignoring that LeBron is worlds ahead of Melo in passing and can run an offense quite effectively. LeBron is quite easily a better scorer than Carmelo, it's not even close to debatable.
I beg to differ. When I watched Melo vs. LeBron in last year's games, Melo CLEARLY outshone LeBron - who had a better team to boot.

We can disagree, that's fine. I'd be interested in revisiting this in a year, as the league is changing.

[Legends66NBA7]

Is Melo even better offensively than Steph Curry?

Nah.

Melo is better from a volume stand point in scoring. Curry does it more efficiently (arguably the greatest shooter the NBA has ever seen), only thing he lacks is a consistent post up game in terms of skill. He's also a much better passer.

[kentatm]

Things like: Drawing doubles, offensive rebounding, passing, outlet passing, setting screens count as offensive to me..

:applause:

[bizil]

I think Steven A. meant in terms of scoring only. Since the 2000s, I think Kobe, Melo, Durant, Dirk, and T-Mac have the most devastating scoring skillsets. And of that group, Melo is the most physical of the bunch. He has the best blend of power and speed of that group. So if Steven A. means since the 2000s, I think he's right. AI, Wade, Bron, Vince, Ray Allen, and Pierce were beasts on the perimeter too. But I think Melo's blend of size and skillset make him unique.

[VengefulAngel]

Melo is the one of two players to average 20 points in every season since 2003, if that doesn't constitute to belong in this club I don't know what does.


The other player was Lebron James.

[Blue&Orange]

everyone would be agreeing if MElo signed with the bulls. Butthurt rednecks.

[kentatm]

everyone would be agreeing if MElo signed with the bulls. Butthurt rednecks.


:coleman:

not really

no

[Legends66NBA7]

Melo is the one of two players to average 20 points in every season since 2003, if that doesn't constitute to belong in this club I don't know what does.


The other player was Lebron James.

Offense isn't just scoring, it's passing too. Since he has been in the league, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Paul alone are better offensive players. Anthony was never better offensive player than peak Tracy McGrady and Steve Nash.

These are just select few players. There have been big men that are better too, like Shaq.

If you take into account playoff play, all those guys were on another level as offensive individual players.


everyone would be agreeing if MElo signed with the bulls. Butthurt rednecks.

No, it really isn't. Couldn't care less where he signed. Melo isn't a Top 5 offensive player in whatever "modern era" your trying to define.

[hawkfan]

Discuss.

As a scorer? Absolutely.
As a passer? Absolutely not.

He doesn't make his teammates better.

[VengefulAngel]

Offense isn't just scoring, it's passing too. Since he has been in the league, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Paul alone are better offensive players. Anthony was never better offensive player than peak Tracy McGrady and Steve Nash.

These are just select few players. There have been big men that are better too, like Shaq.

If you take into account playoff play, all those guys were on another level as offensive individual players.



No, it really isn't. Couldn't care less where he signed. Melo isn't a Top 5 offensive player in whatever "modern era" your trying to define.

Agreed, I thought we were just talking about scoring.

[Nowitness]

Id the modern era is since 2000

Kobe
Duncan
Iverson
Shaq
Garnett
Nash
Kidd
Durant
Le2/5
Pierce
Carter
McGrady
Allen

Are all better.

[MellowYellow]

Id the modern era is since 2000

Kobe
Duncan
Iverson
Shaq
Garnett
Nash
Kidd
Durant
Le2/5
Pierce
Carter
McGrady
Allen

Are all better.


Gonna need an explanation backed up by statistical evidence on every one of these guys, just looking at this list I could eliminate half of them statistically with ease even taking into accounts assists.

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stephen a smith is real14: confirmed.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Id the modern era is since 2000

Kobe
Duncan
Iverson
Shaq
Garnett
Nash
Kidd
Durant
Le2/5
Pierce
Carter
McGrady
Allen

Are all better.
Your username is Nowitness and u dont have Dirk there:lol :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :facepalm

[MellowYellow]

Your username is Nowitness and u dont have Dirk there:lol :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :facepalm

Dirk 2.6 asg < Melo 3.1 asg
Dirk 22 ppg < Melo 25 ppg

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Dirk 2.6 asg < Melo 3.1 asg
Dirk 22 ppg < Melo 25 ppg
Dirks a better scorer, better shooter from everywhere and he doesnt handle the rock as much as Melo obviously he wont have assists.

Why arent u putting turnovers or percentages:lol :lol :lol :lol

[MellowYellow]

Dirks a better scorer, better shooter from everywhere and he doesnt handle the rock as much as Melo obviously he wont have assists.

Why arent u putting turnovers or percentages:lol :lol :lol :lol

Ok, dirk is slightly more efficient by about 2% that's not enough to make up for the lack of volume.

[Soundwave]

I would guess "modern era" means from 2003 onwards in this case since he's specifying Melo.

In that case ... yeah maybe.

Kobe
DWade
Iverson
LeBron
Melo

[Legends66NBA7]

Agreed, I thought we were just talking about scoring.

Yeah, I can see why most people are just discussing scoring. But even if were talking scoring, I would still take Kobe, Durant, LeBron, Iverson, Wade and T-Mac over him as scorers from the era he played in. And these are just the wings that I would take over him.

I think you could make the argument and say Anthony is a Top 10 scorer perhaps if were just including wings and big men, but not as an overall offensive players.

[MellowYellow]

Yeah, I can see why most people are just discussing scoring. But even if were talking scoring, I would still take Kobe, Durant, LeBron, Iverson, Wade and T-Mac over him as scorers from the era he played in. And these are just the wings that I would take over him.

I think you could make the argument and say Anthony is a Top 10 scorer perhaps if were just including wings and big men, but not as an overall offensive players.

t-mac was done at 29 so longevity is an issue unless we are just talkin about peaks, Melo is much more efficient than Allen Iverson and will probably have better longevity, Wade can't shoot 3's and his longevity is in question.

[FrobeShaw]

t-mac was done at 29 so longevity is an issue unless we are just talkin about peaks, Melo is much more efficient than Allen Iverson and will probably have better longevity, Wade can't shoot 3's and his longevity is in question.

09 Wade had a better offensive season than Melo ever did and it's not even arguable. :oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Agreed

[MellowYellow]

09 Wade had a better offensive season than Melo ever did and it's not even arguable. :oldlol:

we are talking about overall not just peaks.

[Nowitness]

Gonna need an explanation backed up by statistical evidence on every one of these guys, just looking at this list I could eliminate half of them statistically with ease even taking into accounts assists.

Karmaelo averaged like 2 assists this year. Dude is a notorious ball hog who shoots worse shots than Colby. You have a better chance winning with Robin Lopez as your leading scorer.

[MellowYellow]

Karmaelo averaged like 2 assists this year. Dude is a notorious ball hog who shoots worse shots than Colby. You have a better chance winning with Robin Lopez as your leading scorer.

Ok, obvious that you are just trolling at this point.

[KG215]

i like melo

i have his jersey lol

hes just not a top 5 all time scorer out of the post 2000's era representatives
Kobe is a better all-around offensive player than Carmelo, still, but there's more to offense than jsut scoring. Of course anytime anyone starts a Kobe vs Duncan argument you completely ignore the defensive side of the floor (or just bring up Kobe's All-Defense 1st teams like that means something when comparing to him like Duncan defensively) so I'm not surprised you see offense and immediately go to scoring while ignoring every other facet of offense.

[deja vu]

Stephen A. probably meant the Internet era.

Modern NBA era started in the 80s.

[JohnFreeman]

Melo > Durant

[Young X]

25.7 pts - 2.8 asts on 51.3 TS% in the playoffs. Using the same amount of possessions as points scored = top 5 offensive player in the modern era?

Stop looking at flashiness and start looking at effectiveness.

Bron
Kobe
Shaq
KD
Nash
Wade
CP3
Dirk
T-Mac
AI
Pierce
Vince
Love
Curry

All better.

If you wanna go back to the 80's:

MJ
Magic
Bird
Barkley
Hakeem
Wilkins
Drexler
KJ
Thomas
Stockton
Malone
etc.

All better.

[kentatm]

Stephen A. probably meant the Internet era.

Modern NBA era started in the 80s.

so did the modern internet :lol

[MellowYellow]

so did the modern internet :lol

Pretty sure they mean post dial-up

[Legends66NBA7]

25.7 pts - 2.8 asts on 51.3 TS% in the playoffs. Using the same amount of possessions as points scored = top 5 offensive player in the modern era?

Stop looking at flashiness and start looking at effectiveness.

Bron
Kobe
Shaq
KD
Nash
Wade
CP3
Dirk
T-Mac
AI
Pierce
Vince
Love
Curry

I agree with using playoffs as an indicator too, but you can't really put Love in here when he's never been in the playoffs. You would have to give Melo the edge over Love there, even if he isn't great.

[MellowYellow]

25.7 pts - 2.8 asts on 51.3 TS% in the playoffs. Using the same amount of possessions as points scored = top 5 offensive player in the modern era?

Stop looking at flashiness and start looking at effectiveness.

Bron
Kobe
Shaq
KD
Nash
Wade
CP3
Dirk
T-Mac
AI
Pierce
Vince
Love
Curry

All better.

If you wanna go back to the 80's:

MJ
Magic
Bird
Barkley
Hakeem
Wilkins
Drexler
KJ
Thomas
Stockton
Malone
etc.

All better.

t-mac never been out of the first round, Love never been to the playoffs. Cp3 never been out of 2nd round :facepalm

[dubeta]

Stephen A's Modern era definition is probably post Miami big 3 (2010)

That started a new 'era' in basketball

In Stephen A's world era's are probably small 4-5 year periods

2000's Shaq and Duncan

Mid 2000's A.I, Tmac, Vince, Wade, Bron

2010's Wade Bron Curry Durant Westbrook Rose Melo

[GimmeThat]

Times like this, the PER helps
since it combines both PPG as well as TS%


"offensive player"


I guess defense really wins games

[chopchop20]

In terms of "offensive skill"... Melo is better than Bron

[Hands of Iron]

I can dig that, though Iverson wasted his potential on chucking jumpers all game, when he was a great passer.

Lebron needs to be in the top 5 bro, take AI out of there since his efficiency was horrible in his prime. Lebron's playmaking + his scoring ability + the efficiency alone put him next to Kobe in that regard, I know you don't like the cat too much but you have to give him that.

Finally one of you guys come with even a modicum of objectivity.

Here's the thing with Lebron: It isn't just efficiency. He's one of the elite all-time volume scorers in the history of the game. He's played in 158 playoff games already and is holding down a 28.0 PPG Career Clip. That's 3rd all-time amongst players with at least 100 postseason games and 5th outright. For comparison's sake, Kobe Bryant - from 2001-10 exclusively - in the playoffs put up 28.8 PPG and scoring is what he does above all else, his entire primary purpose is to put points on the board. In terms of 40+ games in the playoffs, Lebron is 4th all-time behind Jordan, West and Kobe. He's 1 game behind Kobe. In terms of 45+ point games in the playoffs, he's tied for 3rd.

In terms of regular season scoring, he has the third highest career PPG of all-time. In terms of career point totals, another three seasons alone of his usual 2,000+ will put him close to 30,000 more than half a year before he even turns 33.



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[Hands of Iron]

Finally one of you guys come with even a modicum of objectivity.

Here's the thing with Lebron: It isn't just efficiency. He's one of the elite all-time volume scorers in the history of the game. He's played in 158 playoff games already and is holding down a 28.0 PPG Career Clip. That's 3rd all-time amongst players with at least 100 postseason games and 5th outright. For comparison's sake, Kobe Bryant - from 2001-10 exclusively - in the playoffs put up 28.8 PPG and scoring is what he does above all else, his entire primary purpose is to put points on the board. In terms of 40+ games in the playoffs, Lebron is 5th all-time behind Jordan, West, Baylor and Kobe. He's 2 games behind Baylor and 1 game behind Kobe. In terms of 45+ point games in the playoffs, he's tied for 3rd. It's highly probable he'll be 3rd and 2nd respectively by the time the 2015 postseason concludes.

In terms of regular season scoring, he has the third highest career PPG of all-time. In terms of career point totals, another three seasons alone of his usual 2,000+ will put him close to 30,000 more than half a year before he even turns 33.



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Sorry for ruining this thread.