Why didn't kobe have a positive impact in 2006 2007

[rlsmooth775]

Sure Kobe had a mediocre support but if he was really this top 10 player all time Why did his team do so poor those years. It's not like he had to face stacked teams with dominant players at every position he just doesn't make his team better.

[SexSymbol]

Sure Kobe had a mediocre support but if he was really this top 10 player all time Why did his team do so poor those years. It's not like he had to face stacked teams with dominant players at every position he just doesn't make his team better.
He had the same unit on the top of the western conference in 08 before they got gasol.
And the Lakers with him gave it all to the Suns in 06.
That's as good as it gets with Luke Walton Kwame Brown and Smush Parker in the starting line up

[Droid101]

Poor? Seven seeds in some of the most difficult conferences ever with notables getting major starting minutes: Smush Parker (out of the league) Chris Mihm (out of the league), Luke Walton, Kwame Brown (all out of the league) etc.

Please, this stupid thread again? How many times do we have to do this?

[6 for 24]

It's true; think of what Kobe did in '06. With only Odom at his side, he managed to take the all-time great Suns (featuring NBA legends Tim Thomas, Raja Bell, and Leandro Barbosa) to a game 7! He should have won both MVP and FMVP that year for that.

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

[dubeta]

kobe's not that good its pretty simple

[Artillery]

That's why i don't have him in the all-time top ten. Kobe falls more in the 12-15 range. At his peak, he doesn't impact the game much at all. He basically put up a bunch of empty stats while his team didn't win much games. He then proceeded to get owned by Steve Nash back-to-back in the playoffs. Quit on his team team in 2006 after being up 3-1. Nash proved why he was the true MVP that year when he carried that Amare-less Suns team into the conerence finals.

Lebron made the Finals with Larry Hughes as his 2nd best player(on a team coached by Mike Brown)

[ThePhantomCreep]

That's why i don't have him in the all-time top ten. Kobe falls more in the 12-15 range. At his peak, he doesn't impact the game much at all. He basically put up a bunch of empty stats while his team didn't win much games. He then proceeded to get owned by Steve Nash back-to-back in the playoffs. Quit on his team team in 2006 after being up 3-1. Nash proved why he was the true MVP that year when he carried that Amare-less Suns team into the conerence finals.

You're the poster who thinks 20 mpg Manu is more impactful than Kobe. And then you wonder why your opinion is in the minority...

[rlsmooth775]

Poor? Seven seeds in some of the most difficult conferences ever with notables getting major starting minutes: Smush Parker (out of the league) Chris Mihm (out of the league), Luke Walton, Kwame Brown (all out of the league) etc.

Please, this stupid thread again? How many times do we have to do this?

Really he wasn't playing a ton of stacked teams. If Kobe is so great why were the lakers no different than the clippers

[Droid101]

"Doesn't make his teammates better" is the stupidest thing ever. Good god. I think Pau's PER jumped four points and his shooting percentage jumped 8% when he joined Kobe on the already West-leading Lakers in 2008.

Clown.

[Artillery]

You're the poster who thinks 20 mpg Manu is more impactful than Kobe. And then you wonder why your opinion is in the minority...

Facts are facts. Prime Kobe is 0-2 against Steve Nash. Not top-ten material.

[Nashty]

How come Odom and Walton were more valuable than Kobe in 2006-07? With both of them, but without Bryant in the lineup the Lakers were 3-0 (1.000). Those wins came against the 42-40 Warriors, 61-21 Suns, and 30-52 Hawks. Lakers lost two games without Bryant, but one of those games was played without both Odom and Walton, and in the other with Odom, but without Walton. So, the Lakers were 3-2 (.600) without Bryant, 7-15 (.318) without Walton, and 12-14 (.462) without Odom.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Facts are facts. Prime Kobe is 0-2 against Steve Nash. Not top-ten material.

Prime Kareem missed the playoffs twice.

How many pegs should he be knocked down?

[ImKobe]

why does no one ever mention that Kobe in 08 lead the team to the top of the Western Conference in the first 46 games without a Pau Gasol? 53-win pace without a single all-star on the team in the Western Conference, finished with 57 wins after adding Pau.

[ThePhantomCreep]

How come Odom and Walton were more valuable than Kobe in 2006-07? With both of them, but without Bryant in the lineup the Lakers were 3-0 (1.000). Those wins came against the 42-40 Warriors, 61-21 Suns, and 30-52 Hawks. Lakers lost two games without Bryant, but one of those games was played without both Odom and Walton, and in the other with Odom, but without Walton. So, the Lakers were 3-2 (.600) without Bryant, 7-15 (.318) without Walton, and 12-14 (.462) without Odom.

Luke Walton = most valuable Laker.

You heard it here first.

[ImKobe]

How come Odom and Walton were more valuable than Kobe in 2006-07? With both of them, but without Bryant in the lineup the Lakers were 3-0 (1.000). Those wins came against the 42-40 Warriors, 61-21 Suns, and 30-52 Hawks. Lakers lost two games without Bryant, but one of those games was played without both Odom and Walton, and in the other with Odom, but without Walton. So, the Lakers were 3-2 (.600) without Bryant, 7-15 (.318) without Walton, and 12-14 (.462) without Odom.

Yes, Walton and Odom and better players than Kobe Bryant. They won a lot of rings without him on other teams because he held them back :oldlol:

Odom sure shined after being traded to Dallas, Walton finally became the white Lebron James when he got traded to Cleveland, both are still very relevant as players and are leading their respective teams to future championships.

[Droid101]

why does no one ever mention that Kobe in 08 lead the team to the top of the Western Conference in the first 46 games without a Pau Gasol? 53-win pace without a single all-star on the team in the Western Conference, finished with 57 wins after adding Pau.
Because these people are sad, insecure trolls looking for replies.

[ImKobe]

Because these people are sad, insecure trolls looking for replies.

Also worth noting that Pau played 66 games that season and only won 32 of them, despite playing almost half of them in LA :oldlol:

Kobe's biggest help in winning b2b titles and going to 3 straight Finals was a Spanish version of Chris Bosh.

Pau had Gay, Mike Miller, Kyle Lowry and Mike Conley and only won 11 out of 39 games with Memphis that season, somehow he magically turns into a winner and is carrying Kobe after going to LA

[6 for 24]

How come Odom and Walton were more valuable than Kobe in 2006-07? With both of them, but without Bryant in the lineup the Lakers were 3-0 (1.000). Those wins came against the 42-40 Warriors, 61-21 Suns, and 30-52 Hawks. Lakers lost two games without Bryant, but one of those games was played without both Odom and Walton, and in the other with Odom, but without Walton. So, the Lakers were 3-2 (.600) without Bryant, 7-15 (.318) without Walton, and 12-14 (.462) without Odom.

I get asked about this scenario a lot in the Kobe stan workshops I run here in the plains of Mozambique. My students say, "Ayotunde, if Kobe is so great, how is it that his teams consistently have a better record when he sits than when he is available?" After slapping some sense into them (literally-- I slap them with a Jacaranda switch), I present them with the facts.

"Idiot,", I say, "you are not applying Kobe system. That is, you are thinking only in the present. While it is true that the team may do better without Kobe initially, it is only because their arms are loose and limber from having hoisted so few baskets all season. What do you suppose happens once the team has to replace the 40-50 chucks Kobe puts up each and every game over the course of weeks & months? Do you have any idea what kind of physical toll that takes?"

And they nod, silently, in agreement, hopefully out of knowledge of the truth but perhaps from the fear of another slap from the Jacaranda switch; we will never know.

For the advanced students, I will delve into the larger repercussions of Kobe's extended absence, such as the fact that he is always the one calibrating the rims for the shooters by ricocheting shots near and far. One may not observe that during a single game, but, believe me, it is hugely impactful through the season.

Hopefully this has illuminated the situation for a few of you. Sign up for my class if you are ever in the area!

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

[ThePhantomCreep]

Pau Gasol really created magic last season for the Lakers. Pretty much a whole season without Kobe for the "real finals mvp"--now thats a sample size! it's a journey I'll never forget.

[ImKobe]

Pau Gasol really created magic last season for the Lakers. Pretty much a whole season without Kobe for the "real finals mvp"--now thats a sample size! it's a journey I'll never forget.

With prime Dwight Howard in the 2013 Playoffs - historic sweep

without Kobe for the season - missed Playoffs :oldlol:

0-16 in the Playoffs without Kobe Bryant

[dubeta]

With prime Dwight Howard in the 2013 Playoffs - historic sweep

without Kobe for the season - missed Playoffs :oldlol:

0-16 in the Playoffs without Kobe Bryant

why were they even in the 7th seed in the 1st place :facepalm

a huge failure for kobe, lakers were a dream team led by kobe and were battling for a playoff spot smh

[Nashty]

Pau Gasol really created magic last season for the Lakers. Pretty much a whole season without Kobe for the "real finals mvp"--now thats a sample size! it's a journey I'll never forget.

Please stop.

2009-2012

With Kobe: 308-147 (.677)
Without Kobe: 14-7 (.667)

With Gasol: 257-112 (.696)
Without Gasol: 35-26 (.574)

[Lamar Odumbb]

Please stop.

2009-2012

With Kobe: 308-147 (.677)
Without Kobe: 14-7 (.667)

With Gasol: 257-112 (.696)
Without Gasol: 35-26 (.574)

What happened this year. Kobe out most of the year and Pau led the Lakers to its 2nd worst season ever.

[ImKobe]

Please stop.

2009-2012

With Kobe: 308-147 (.677)
Without Kobe: 14-7 (.667)

With Gasol: 257-112 (.696)
Without Gasol: 35-26 (.574)

So, Lakers win more games with Gasol & Kobe playing? what a shocker.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Please stop.

2009-2012

With Kobe: 308-147 (.677)
Without Kobe: 14-7 (.667)

With Gasol: 257-112 (.696)
Without Gasol: 35-26 (.574)

dude, I totally agree with your sound logic!

Walton 2007 > Pau Gasol 2009-2012

:bowdown:

has Gasol even won one playoff game without Kobe?

[ImKobe]

has Gasol even won one playoff game without Kobe?

:lol

He might this year with Chicago

[Nashty]

What happened this year. Kobe out most of the year and Pau led the Lakers to its 2nd worst season ever.

They were 2-4 (.333) with Chuckbe this year, and 21-39 (.350) with Gasol :cheers:

[Nashty]

So, Lakers win more games with Gasol & Kobe playing? what a shocker.

They won less without Gasol than without Chuckbe because Gasol was the real MVP of those Lakers :cheers:

[ImKobe]

They won less without Gasol than without Chuckbe because Gasol was the real MVP of those Lakers :cheers:

How about Lakers without Kobe in the Playoffs in the last 5 years? 0-4 (.000)

[Magic 32]

I get asked about this scenario a lot in the Kobe stan workshops I run here in the plains of Mozambique. My students say, "Ayotunde, if Kobe is so great, how is it that his teams consistently have a better record when he sits than when he is available?" After slapping some sense into them (literally-- I slap them with a Jacaranda switch), I present them with the facts.

"Idiot,", I say, "you are not applying Kobe system. That is, you are thinking only in the present. While it is true that the team may do better without Kobe initially, it is only because their arms are loose and limber from having hoisted so few baskets all season. What do you suppose happens once the team has to replace the 40-50 chucks Kobe puts up each and every game over the course of weeks & months? Do you have any idea what kind of physical toll that takes?"

And they nod, silently, in agreement, hopefully out of knowledge of the truth but perhaps from the fear of another slap from the Jacaranda switch; we will never know.

For the advanced students, I will delve into the larger repercussions of Kobe's extended absence, such as the fact that he is always the one calibrating the rims for the shooters by ricocheting shots near and far. One may not observe that during a single game, but, believe me, it is hugely impactful through the season.

Hopefully this has illuminated the situation for a few of you. Sign up for my class if you are ever in the area!

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

So much hard work trolling, so little impact.

[ImKobe]

So much hard work trolling, so little impact.

He used to be funny with some of these, then it got really long and really boring.

[ThePhantomCreep]

You know an argument is faulty when you start off by suggesting Luke Walton was the most valuable Laker in 2007.

All you're really saying is Gasol generally a missed a lot more regular season games than Kobe.

[Doctor Rivers]

So much hard work trolling, so little impact.

:oldlol:

[Magic 32]

He then proceeded to get owned by Steve Nash back-to-back in the playoffs. Quit on his team in 2006 after being up 3-1. Nash proved why he was the true MVP that year

Lebron made the Finals with Larry Hughes as his 2nd best player(on a team coached by Mike Brown)

Best team Lebron ever beat with the Cavs...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2007.html

2005-06 Suns

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2006.html

Kobe quiting after being up 3-1.

34.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 3.7 apg 55.9 FG% (3 games).

Now go back into your hole.

[Lamar Odumbb]

They were 2-4 (.333) with Chuckbe this year, and 21-39 (.350) with Gasol :cheers:

Pau Gasol last 2 years without Kobe

swept in 2013 with Prime Dwight Howard by average of 19 ppg.

lead Lakers to its 2nd worst season ever.

[Nashty]

Pau Gasol last 2 years without Kobe

swept in 2013 with Prime Dwight Howard by average of 19 ppg.

lead Lakers to its 2nd worst season ever.

They were 3-1 in regular season without Chuckbe in 2013. Now imagine playoffs with Kobe but without Gasol, they would lose 5-0 :roll:

And this year they were better with Gasol than with Kobe.

[ThePhantomCreep]

They were 3-1 in regular season without Chuckbe in 2013. Now imagine playoffs with Kobe but without Gasol, they would lose 5-0 :roll:

And this year they were better with Gasol than with Kobe.

Kobe actually won playoff games on a far shittier team.

Gasol? Luz

You and your regular season samples are dismissed.

[Droid101]

Straight trolling going on in like, every thread today. I'm out.

[Artillery]

Prime Kareem missed the playoffs twice.

How many pegs should he be knocked down?

Why are we singling out Kareem here? Kobe also missed the playoffs twice.

[Artillery]

Best team Lebron ever beat with the Cavs...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2007.html

2005-06 Suns

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2006.html

Kobe quiting after being up 3-1.

34.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 3.7 apg 55.9 FG% (3 games).

Now go back into your hole.

0-2 against Steve Nash. Pretty much tells you prime Kobe has very little impact on the game. You need the GOAT coach and a stacked frontcourt in order to win titles with Kobe as your best player.

[ArbitraryWater]

Poor? Seven seeds in some of the most difficult conferences ever with notables getting major starting minutes: Smush Parker (out of the league) Chris Mihm (out of the league), Luke Walton, Kwame Brown (all out of the league) etc.

Please, this stupid thread again? How many times do we have to do this?

Um, the 2006 - 2009 WC's were definitely not some of the most difficult ever..

[Artillery]

Pau Gasol really created magic last season for the Lakers. Pretty much a whole season without Kobe for the "real finals mvp"--now thats a sample size! it's a journey I'll never forget.

Kobe never made anyone better. Pau got better when he joined the Lakers because he went from being coached by Marc Iavaroni to the GOAT coach(Phil). Pau's decline coincides with Phil Jackson leaving the Lakers.

[ArbitraryWater]

I get asked about this scenario a lot in the Kobe stan workshops I run here in the plains of Mozambique. My students say, "Ayotunde, if Kobe is so great, how is it that his teams consistently have a better record when he sits than when he is available?" After slapping some sense into them (literally-- I slap them with a Jacaranda switch), I present them with the facts.

"Idiot,", I say, "you are not applying Kobe system. That is, you are thinking only in the present. While it is true that the team may do better without Kobe initially, it is only because their arms are loose and limber from having hoisted so few baskets all season. What do you suppose happens once the team has to replace the 40-50 chucks Kobe puts up each and every game over the course of weeks & months? Do you have any idea what kind of physical toll that takes?"

And they nod, silently, in agreement, hopefully out of knowledge of the truth but perhaps from the fear of another slap from the Jacaranda switch; we will never know.

For the advanced students, I will delve into the larger repercussions of Kobe's extended absence, such as the fact that he is always the one calibrating the rims for the shooters by ricocheting shots near and far. One may not observe that during a single game, but, believe me, it is hugely impactful through the season.

Hopefully this has illuminated the situation for a few of you. Sign up for my class if you are ever in the area!

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

:roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

I get asked about this scenario a lot in the Kobe stan workshops I run here in the plains of Mozambique. My students say, "Ayotunde, if Kobe is so great, how is it that his teams consistently have a better record when he sits than when he is available?" After slapping some sense into them (literally-- I slap them with a Jacaranda switch), I present them with the facts.

"Idiot,", I say, "you are not applying Kobe system. That is, you are thinking only in the present. While it is true that the team may do better without Kobe initially, it is only because their arms are loose and limber from having hoisted so few baskets all season. What do you suppose happens once the team has to replace the 40-50 chucks Kobe puts up each and every game over the course of weeks & months? Do you have any idea what kind of physical toll that takes?"

And they nod, silently, in agreement, hopefully out of knowledge of the truth but perhaps from the fear of another slap from the Jacaranda switch; we will never know.

For the advanced students, I will delve into the larger repercussions of Kobe's extended absence, such as the fact that he is always the one calibrating the rims for the shooters by ricocheting shots near and far. One may not observe that during a single game, but, believe me, it is hugely impactful through the season.

Hopefully this has illuminated the situation for a few of you. Sign up for my class if you are ever in the area!

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

:roll:

Warmest regards,

riseagainst

[thefatmiral]

Yes, Walton and Odom and better players than Kobe Bryant. They won a lot of rings without him on other teams because he held them back :oldlol:

Odom sure shined after being traded to Dallas, Walton finally became the white Lebron James when he got traded to Cleveland, both are still very relevant as players and are leading their respective teams to future championships.
don't cherry pick

[Magic 32]

0-2 against Steve Nash. Pretty much tells you prime Kobe has very little impact on the game.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/620749_o.gif

[Vienceslav]

How come Odom and Walton were more valuable than Kobe in 2006-07? With both of them, but without Bryant in the lineup the Lakers were 3-0 (1.000). Those wins came against the 42-40 Warriors, 61-21 Suns, and 30-52 Hawks. Lakers lost two games without Bryant, but one of those games was played without both Odom and Walton, and in the other with Odom, but without Walton. So, the Lakers were 3-2 (.600) without Bryant, 7-15 (.318) without Walton, and 12-14 (.462) without Odom.
This is dedication right here.:lol

[Lamar Odumbb]

This is dedication right here.:lol

That guy used to post on E.SPN message boards and he was a Nash stan douch.ebag there also.