ISH Book/Movie Club

[BoogieWoogieMan]

I'm freakin dead right now after playing some ball. I'll reply back tomorrow after class.

[RidonKs]

I'm freakin dead right now after playing some ball. I'll reply back tomorrow after class.
no rush!

[ZeN]

RidonKs we sometimes are like those die hard fans that write a 10 paragraph essay because they read too much into something. I think there's a case of that here. No matter how much you read into something, you can always twist something hard enough into something it's not. I'm not saying that you are entirely doing that. Just saying that many times we expand on things that was alluded, into something that isn't there.

[RidonKs]

no zen the point is everything is there. that's what makes interpretation of literature fun. i can throw out the most bizarre interpretation and it's inevitably acceptable... though you get to poke holes in it and tell me why my interpretation doesn't make sense.

since each person is going to have a different interpretation, together we get to synthesize them and contrast them and stretch them as a way to grasp some level of "truth"; one that can never be reached.

"thats like, just your opinion man"

he's right

[BoogieWoogieMan]

Yeah, I think the root of both Franny and Zooey's issues are that they are in a constant search for some grand transcendence but also seek the traditional pleasures of the Western world. They want to feel the simplistically and oneness of Eastern monks but are held back by their joy for modern pleasures (novelistic fiction, theatre, etc). It creates a sort of cognitive dissonance within their mind because the two can't really exist together. Both seek to please the audience desperately and want to create great art but that egotistical desire comes into conflict with their religious notions. Franny's exile and insistence on the prayer is her reaction to this conflict. She feels that if she devotes herself to one direction she can achieve some type of peace and spiritual happiness. Zooey is able to free himself from the problem by realizing that there is some spiritual connection between the audience and artists and between everyone in society because of god's pervasiveness. The realization that the idea of a grand spirituality is not at odds with the modern human society is a way to free themselves from the tug of war within themselves.

I think it might be some sort of commentary by Salinger about the conflict that the Western world has created within individuals and might be inclined to use it to describe the decline in spirituality during the last 50 years. It's kind of a common criticism but Western culture roots us too much within our own society to allow for transcendent spiritualism. But nevermind, I hate to attribute a line of thought to an artist just because it fits my inclination. That is just my interpretation of the story.

Took the thoughts out of my mind. That's exactly the same way I felt after reading it. You were able to express it better with your fancy vocab. :lol
:cheers:



To Ridonks: You've made a shit load of posts that I need some more time to digest.


To ZeN: You may of not seen much in this novel, but as you can clearly tell, we saw a plethora amount of topics are that can discussed. But it's all good, brother. Just like how Ridonk said, it's all a matter of opinion.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Aristotle's Complete Works and Ethics.

Concurrently with

Egyptian Tree of Life/Qu'ran/Bible KJB

[ZeN]

Aristotle's Complete Works and Ethics.

Concurrently with

Egyptian Tree of Life/Qu'ran/Bible KJB
You forgot the Nag Hammadi..

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

5 at a time is best. For books, and for groups.

What questions have been bothering you as of late my caffeine riddled friend?

[ZeN]

5 at a time is best. For books, and for groups.

What questions have been bothering you as of late my caffeine riddled friend?
I'm more at a place of attempting to apply lessons learned..

[rufuspaul]

Aristotle's Complete Works and Ethics.

Concurrently with

Egyptian Tree of Life/Qu'ran/Bible KJB


Slacker

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Slacker

City boys like us nevaa knew nothin bout' waking up at dawn to shovel cow sh!t.

[gigantes]

my tablets down at the moment, so i'm not reading books right now.

last book i finished is about brian wilson and the beach boys. i had just started "cosmic trigger" by robert-anton (illuminati master) wilson before the battery died.


...


reading books on this laptop just doesn't work too well, but lately i've been reading graphic novels on it. last couple i've finished have been:


eva medusa, about revolutions and reincarnations set in brasil

http://www.bdtheque.com/repupload/G/G_741_2.jpg



bouncer, about a one-armed saloon-owner in the old west

http://www.themillions.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/bouncer002.jpg



a family secret, about two girls (one dutch, one jewish) who deal with the NAZI occupation of holland

http://econkids.rutgers.edu/images/book_images/familysecret.jpg