Dion Waiters on a potential move to the bench: 'Nooooooooo'

[Wavves]

Dion Waiters ✔ @dionwaiters3
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Nooooooooo RT @CavsForever_: Would you accept the role of coming off the bench or..? @dionwaiters3

Interesting...

[Fudge]

Dion Waiters is a fukking loser. You see how this ugly thug tweets?

Dudes getting moved as soon as he steps onto the court with LeBron. He can't handle being a lesser player than his own fukking teammates.

[Le Shaqtus]

Wouldn't be surprised if Waiters gets moved if he doesn't come off the bench, no way he starts over Wiggins.

[hawkfan]

hawkfan Trade Scenario:

Hawks get

Dion Waiters

Cavs get

Kyle Korver

Korver and the soon to be acquired Miller spreading the floor for LeBron and Irving.

The Hawks get a scorer at the shooting guard.

where amazing happens.

[Wavves]

Wouldn't be surprised if Waiters gets moved if he doesn't come off the bench, no way he starts over Wiggins.
I really like Waiters as a player. He played extremely well in the second half of last season. But he just seems too much trouble. They definitely should just look to move him on at this point.

[El Gato Negro]

i dont know how anyone who has seen wiggins play thinks he starts at the 2 next year :confusedshrug: blatt and griff both have stated recently not going to happen.

[CelticBaller]

Traded

[JohnMax]

Heat fans don't know anything about Waiters

[navy]

i dont know how anyone who has seen wiggins play thinks he starts at the 2 next year :confusedshrug: blatt and griff both have stated recently not going to happen.
I dont think he starts, but the Coaching staff has been pretty clear about him being a 2.


Although in theory they could have been BSing knowing damn well Lebron is a 3 like Wiggins.

[DMAVS41]

This has the potential to be bad on the Cavs.

They are going to be stuck overpaying the shit out of Thompson next year because of the whole Rich Paul thing with Lebron...

If AB sucks again this year...this roster is actually just not very good.

[navy]

This has the potential to be bad on the Cavs.

They are going to be stuck overpaying the shit out of Thompson next year because of the whole Rich Paul thing with Lebron...

If AB sucks again this year...this roster is actually just not very good.
This roster isnt very good regardless. Huge potential for the future though. They need some trades or else they are going to be wasting Lebron's prime babysitting.

TT isnt a relevant player in my opinion though.

[Kingwillball]

This has the potential to be bad on the Cavs.

They are going to be stuck overpaying the shit out of Thompson next year because of the whole Rich Paul thing with Lebron...

If AB sucks again this year...this roster is actually just not very good.

Disagree, AB already looks and is playing better. Cavs will add some bench pieces like Miller or Allen and backup Center. Lebron will have impact on all these young talented players.

[Droid101]

Heat fans don't know anything about Waiters
There are no Heat fans. There are only Cavs fans since '49 chiming in.

[Trollsmasher]

trade that diva

he can be a 1st option in Minny

[hawksdogsbraves]

hawkfan Trade Scenario:

Hawks get

Dion Waiters

Cavs get

Kyle Korver

Korver and the soon to be acquired Miller spreading the floor for LeBron and Irving.

The Hawks get a scorer at the shooting guard.

where amazing happens.

Huh

I don't hate this

[SexSymbol]

PG - Irving
SG - Waiters
SF - Wiggins
PF - Lebron
C - Varejao

Done.

[Rubio2Gasol]

So wait.

Wiggins not going to start?

[Kingwillball]

This roster isnt very good regardless. Huge potential for the future though. They need some trades or else they are going to be wasting Lebron's prime babysitting.

TT isnt a relevant player in my opinion though.

Irving, waiters, wiggins, Bennett are all talented so i disagree roster isn't good just inexperienced.

[DMAVS41]

This roster isnt very good regardless. Huge potential for the future though. They need some trades or else they are going to be wasting Lebron's prime babysitting.

TT isnt a relevant player in my opinion though.

TT is big trouble because he is going to likely opt out after this season. His agent is the same agent of Lebron. They are going to have to overpay the shit out of him.

This is the big problem with this team. All unproven guys that could be due for a huge overpay.

[navy]

Irving, waiters, wiggins, Bennett are all talented so i disagree roster isn't good just inexperienced.
They have potential. But take lebron off that team and they are looking at 40 wins max in the east. That isnt very good.

5 years from now? Could be a scary squad.

[NattyPButter]

Well he doesnt belong on the bench. Wiggins has no handles and cant play the 2 position full time. Wiggins right now is 6th man.

[navy]

TT is big trouble because he is going to likely opt out after this season. His agent is the same agent of Lebron. They are going to have to overpay the shit out of him.

This is the big problem with this team. All unproven guys that could be due for a huge overpay.
I dont think he has a place on the roster though. Unless he proves himself a great defender.

I'd let him walk(assuming he doesnt improve much) and tell Rich Paul to take a hike. Lebron isnt going anywhere.

[navy]

Well he doesnt belong on the bench. Wiggins has no handles and cant play the 2 position full time. Wiggins right now is 6th man.
Wasnt he on the bench because he couldnt play with Kyrie?

[RedBlackAttack]

Huh

I don't hate this
I was just as surprised as you to see a hawkfan trade scenario that didn't want to make me put my head in a blender. Interesting.


Someone really needs to disconnect Dion's Internet access. I love his game and tenacity and potential, but dude says some amazingly dumb sh!t on Twitter. It's as if he's unaware that this stuff is being read by more people than just immediate family and friends.

[KBaller33]

Well Wiggins is starting for sure so it comes down to

Waiters vs Thompson vs Bennett

And do you want LeBron playing the 4?

[beastee]

hawkfan Trade Scenario:

Hawks get

Dion Waiters

Cavs get

Kyle Korver

Korver and the soon to be acquired Miller spreading the floor for LeBron and Irving.

The Hawks get a scorer at the shooting guard.

where amazing happens.

Good trade, but Hawks would need to add a rookie contract along with that. Waiters himself is too valuable on the market than just Korver.

[Jailblazers7]

TT is big trouble because he is going to likely opt out after this season. His agent is the same agent of Lebron. They are going to have to overpay the shit out of him.

This is the big problem with this team. All unproven guys that could be due for a huge overpay.

I doubt Rich Paul and Lebron abuse that leverage and drag the Cavs over the coals. I think Lebron has a pretty good understanding of team building now and doesn't want to handicap his roster simply because he likes TT. In reality, Rich Paul will do what Lebron says and Lebron is going to want to win.

[LoneyROY7]

Yo Waiters...

http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx153/Apocalypse123212321/Entourage-GTFO.gif

[NattyPButter]

lol at the thought of TT getting over paid. He's a role player with no jumper. Most of his rebounds come from his missed or blocked shots. I bet he gets his shit blocked at least twice a game.

[navy]

PG - Irving
SG - Waiters
SF - Wiggins
PF - Lebron
C - Varejao

Done.
Bad defense.

[DMAVS41]

I dont think he has a place on the roster though. Unless he proves himself a great defender.

I'd let him walk(assuming he doesnt improve much) and tell Rich Paul to take a hike. Lebron isnt going anywhere.

Oh, yes, they should trade him, but I worry about all those off court relationships ****ing with decisions that should be made removed of that kind of stuff.

My point is that if the Cavs overpay Thompson and AB doesn't develop...and Wiggins takes some time. This team is kind of hamstrung and really isn't that good.

And that is without mentioning Waiters and his weird personality combined with him being up for more money after the 2016 season in which he'll likely not take the QO.

If Wiggins really is just off the table (stupid decision, but whatever)...then the Cavs really should be looking to turn Waiters/Thompson/Picks into something they need. Or at least proven players on longer contracts. The last thing this team should do is set themselves up to build with all these young guys this year only to see them have to overpay them or watch them leave after wasting a year with players that aren't in the future.

These decisions need to be made now.

[NattyPButter]

Well Wiggins is starting for sure so it comes down to

Waiters vs Thompson vs Bennett

And do you want LeBron playing the 4?

How is Wiggins starting? He has no ball handles yet, can't dribble left, and can barely shoot. He needs to earn his spot in the line up and Waiters is better then him right now.

[StephHamann]

Yo Waiters...

http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx153/Apocalypse123212321/Entourage-GTFO.gif

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nsyq5j4

:applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

Bad defense.
Not really. LeBron and Varejao are both very good defenders and Wiggins will end up being an elite defender... just a matter of when. Meanwhile, Dion was one of the team's best on-ball defenders last year. His problems come when he loses concentration playing off the ball. I think James and Blatt will help him in that area.

That's actually one of the better defensive lineups we'll have, assuming LeBron can defend the 4 position and Wiggins comes along quickly.

[BrownEye007]

hawkfan Trade Scenario:

Hawks get

Dion Waiters

Cavs get

Kyle Korver

Korver and the soon to be acquired Miller spreading the floor for LeBron and Irving.

The Hawks get a scorer at the shooting guard.

where amazing happens.
Every trade I see you post one of the teams gets completely screwed. Maybe the Cavs do this trade if you throw in Horford too.

[BrownEye007]

lol at the thought of TT getting over paid. He's a role player with no jumper. Most of his rebounds come from his missed or blocked shots. I bet he gets his shit blocked at least twice a game.
Have you watched him play since his rookie season? Because back then he probably did get his shit blocked twice or more a game but he's improved leaps and bounds offensively.

[Nash]

lol you'd never see shit like that in Miami.

Welcome to immature and drama filled Cleveland, Lebron.

[NattyPButter]

Have you watched him play since his rookie season? Because back then he probably did get his shit blocked twice or more a game but he's improved leaps and bounds offensively.

of course I have and he's been still getting his shit blocked the same amount. Also lol at him improving leaps and bounds offensively. Most Cavs fans wanted his ass on the bench and wanted Bennett on the floor.

[Milbuck]

Bulls should make a move for him..

[beastee]

Bad defense.
The Bulls frontcourt would Crap all over this. Taj or Gasol and Noah on the court would destroy them.

[GOBB]

Dion Waiters is a fukking loser. You see how this ugly thug tweets?

Dudes getting moved as soon as he steps onto the court with LeBron. He can't handle being a lesser player than his own fukking teammates.

Ugly thug? :facepalm

[Meticode]

I'm glad he said no. He wants the starting spot to be earned. He tweeted it recently that no one should be able to come onto a team and just be the starter without it being a competition for that spot.

[GOBB]

I'm glad he said no. He wants the starting spot to be earned. He tweeted it recently that no one should be able to come onto a team and just be the starter without it being a competition for that spot.

Wiggins was the #1 pick. Come on :oldlol:

[Meticode]

Wiggins was the #1 pick. Come on :oldlol:
It doesn't mean that he's ready to start. Irving was the #1 pick his rookie season and he didn't get the permanent starting spot until 1/3 the way through the season.

[BrownEye007]

of course I have and he's been still getting his shit blocked the same amount. Also lol at him improving leaps and bounds offensively. Most Cavs fans wanted his ass on the bench and wanted Bennett on the floor.
from his rookie season he certainly has. He went from getting blocked constantly like you seem to think he still does to not get blocked all the time. I'd call that a pretty dramatic improvement. Oh and he can shoot free throws now too as well as use his push shot.

[returnofthemack]

Irving, waiters, wiggins, Bennett are all talented so i disagree roster isn't good just inexperienced.

All are very talented.

Has there ever been a team assembled before with 4 number 1 over all picks? And 2 4th over all picks? It's a lot of talent. I know AB stil has a lot to prove but I think that he is. Going to be motivated. Hell they should all be motivated. There has never been a situation like this in NBA history before where the best player in the league in his prime signs with a team loaded with young talent. Who knows how fast they can come together and develop with Lebron showing the way?

Winning might cure waiters need to start. But I would like to see wiggins come off the bench for the start of the season. Unless he proves he should be starting.

Of course a trade for love with wiggins as the piece that goes could fix this issue.

Irving
Waiters
Lebron
Love
Andy

Hell of a starting 5.

The problem I see is that there can't be a strait up trade of wiggins for love. Salaries have to match. Would have to be a 3rd team. It has to be just wiggins for the cavs to have any hope at creating roster depth. Can't give up wiggins and waiters or wiggins and Thompson. Unless the cavs can't get more then love back.

[GOBB]

It doesn't mean that he's ready to start. Irving was the #1 pick his rookie season and he didn't get the permanent starting spot until 1/3 the way through the season.

Wiggins was a more heralded prospect than Irving. You dont have Wiggins come off the bench. He starts, Waiters backs up. Considering he hasnt shown he should be the fulltime starter since being drafted. I know his ego is hurt but he'll get over it. He'll be a good 6th man/Manu guy.

[Meticode]

Wiggins was a more heralded prospect than Irving. You dont have Wiggins come off the bench. He starts, Waiters backs up. Considering he hasnt shown he should be the fulltime starter since being drafted. I know his ego is hurt but he'll get over it. He'll be a good 6th man/Manu guy.
Apparently you didn't watch Cavaliers games last season. Waiters turned the corner when Irving got hurt and Waiters was starting. He was averaging over 20PPG.

Other than your total misconception, great post man. Great post. :applause:

[GOBB]

Apparently you didn't watch Cavaliers games last season. Waiters turned the corner when Irving got hurt and Waiters was starting. He was averaging over 20PPG.

Other than your total misconception, great post man. Great post. :applause:

I saw him when he started. I was also here when threads spawned about his emergence. And how it went from trade Waiters/will he be traded to Omg Waiters gets it. Obviously pairing him and Irving together isnt much of a match. No coincidence he looked good with Irving out. He's a 6th man. Instant offense.

So like Waiters, get over it. :applause:

[Meticode]

In the end. if LeBron is playing the 3, I don't think Wiggins ends up starting at SG to begin the regular a season unless something changes dramatically. They need shooters in at the 2 and Wiggins thus far in Summer League has shown the two greatest weaknesses of which we need to be strengths right now. His shooting from the outside and his ball handling ability have been subpar as expected. While his defense has been stellar, I don't think he's ready to start yet unless there's major improvements in pre-season.

Over the last month of last season Waiters was averaging 20/4/3 at 46%+ from the field and 40%+ from three. A lot of those games towards the end were with Irving on the floor as well.

[GOBB]

Solid

[Mrofir]

It's funny how these idiots devalue themselves so efficiently.

You are a professional basketball player -- learn how to play the PR game...

"I will do whatever it takes to help the team win and I will always try to show the coaching staff that I belong on the court" -- how hard is that?

Not only does this tweet put a target on Waiters for a trade, but it devalues him in that trade, which means he's much more likely to go to a bad team than a good one. Just stupid.

[hawkfan]

Solid

Noel for Waiters?

[Meticode]

It's funny how these idiots devalue themselves so efficiently.

You are a professional basketball player -- learn how to play the PR game...

"I will do whatever it takes to help the team win and I will always try to show the coaching staff that I belong on the court" -- how hard is that?

Not only does this tweet put a target on Waiters for a trade, but it devalues him in that trade, which means he's much more likely to go to a bad team than a good one. Just stupid.
You should be a general manager. You would excel in this position.

[Mrofir]

You should be a general manager. You would excel in this position.


Would be a fantasy of mine to make a living doing anything basketball related -- journalism, GM, scout, any level of coach, hell I'd do video editing for Pat Riley. I hear there is some upward mobility there.

[GOBB]

Noel for Waiters?

Hell no. Not a chance. I do Thad Young for Waiters. Now we even

[NumberSix]

Ok. So just trade him.

[Meticode]

Ok. So just trade him.
Cavaliers can't trade him.

[DMAVS41]

Cavaliers can't trade him.

Why?

[NattyPButter]

from his rookie season he certainly has. He went from getting blocked constantly like you seem to think he still does to not get blocked all the time. I'd call that a pretty dramatic improvement. Oh and he can shoot free throws now too as well as use his push shot.

obviously you haven't been watching the games nor been in game threads on Cav forums. He's still getting his shit swatted at least twice a game. He doesn't pass out when he's in trouble...hell he doesn't pass at all really. His mid range game still stinks with his broken shot that will never be fixed. All he's good at is hustling and rebounding and like I said before his rebounds are from his own missed shots. He's not improving at all....all his stats are the same from last year He's a straight up role player and not a starter on any of the 29 other teams in the NBA.

[Kblaze8855]

As ive been saying...this isnt a guy you even let concern you. he gets in line or hes elsewhere.

What I hate for the cavs is hes hurting his trade value.

A young guy who came off the bench most of last year and is far from a star cant be refusing to come off the bench on a contender that just drafted A #1 pick swingman and signed Lebron James.

Real "Who the **** do you think you are?" situation.

[brownmamba00]

trade his ass to the lakers

[DMAVS41]

Do Cavs fan just want us all to pretend like you guys didn't win 33 games last year?

Stop over-rating these players! Especially Waiters and Thompson...two guys in which you have to worry about paying in the next two years.

[Kblaze8855]

It doesn't mean that he's ready to start. Irving was the #1 pick his rookie season and he didn't get the permanent starting spot until 1/3 the way through the season.


The records say Kyrie has started every game hes played. Is that not the case?

Im aware that it could be incorrect.

[NattyPButter]

Why?

he's Dan Gilberts boy toy...hell one of the reasons why Grant got fired because he wanted to trade Waiters.

[Jailblazers7]

Why does he even want to start? Does he really think he is going to operate with the ball much when he is on the court with Lebron and Kyrie? Waiters should shut up and a great 6th man. Averag 15-16 points, maybe win 6th man of the year, and either get traded to a place where you get to start or live out the contract and get a fat check.

[NattyPButter]

Do Cavs fan just want us all to pretend like you guys didn't win 33 games last year?

Stop over-rating these players! Especially Waiters and Thompson...two guys in which you have to worry about paying in the next two years.

The record is mostly the cause of horrible coaching from Brown and that bum Bynum. Know one is overrating Thompson believe that. Waiters is just as talented as Kyrie and you would know that if you watched Cavs games. Dude was the one who always tried hard.

[Droid101]

Is he good? Can he follow LeBron to any team he goes to for the rest of his career?

[Demitri98]

hawkfan Trade Scenario:

Hawks get

Dion Waiters

Cavs get

Kyle Korver

Korver and the soon to be acquired Miller spreading the floor for LeBron and Irving.

The Hawks get a scorer at the shooting guard.

where amazing happens.

This is one of those trades that would be awesome for both teams.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Cavs fans are spinning this into "he's just a competitor" but the thing is he just flat out seems unwilling to come off the bench...and often times who starts and who comes off the bench has nothing to do with who's actually better (see Danny Green/Manu Ginobli)...i just dont get his obsession with starting...hes not better than james harden was in 11-12 and he had sefolosha starting over him not the #1 overall pick...

[atljonesbro]

I would like Dion in ATL. He has great scoring potential and can create his own shot.

[NattyPButter]

Cavs fans are spinning this into "he's just a competitor" but the thing is he just flat out seems unwilling to come off the bench...and often times who starts and who comes off the bench has nothing to do with who's actually better (see Danny Green/Manu Ginobli)...i just dont get his obsession with starting...hes not better than james harden was in 11-12 and he had sefolosha starting over him not the #1 overall pick...

or maybe because some of us Cavs fans see that Wiggins is not a starting SG. He can't shoot...Dion can. He can't dribble...Dion can. Wiggins is a 6th man type right now until he works on his problems. Unless Lebron wants to play the 4.

[ArbitraryWater]

As ive been saying...this isnt a guy you even let concern you. he gets in line or hes elsewhere.

What I hate for the cavs is hes hurting his trade value.

A young guy who came off the bench most of last year and is far from a star cant be refusing to come off the bench on a contender that just drafted A #1 pick swingman and signed Lebron James.

Real "Who the **** do you think you are?" situation.

Kblaze bringin' daaa perspective on us mortals :bowdown:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

or maybe because some of us Cavs fans see that Wiggins is not a starting SG

First off - i agree that Waiters is a better player than Wiggins right now..but..

thats really not relevant...its about what Blatt thinks...what if he wants a defensive presence starting and a scorer off the bench??..like thabo/harden??..would waiters go along with that? or bitch about it?..

[NattyPButter]

First off - i agree that Waiters is a better player than Wiggins right now..but..

thats really not relevant...its about what Blatt thinks...what if he wants a defensive presence starting and a scorer off the bench??..like thabo/harden??..would waiters go along with that? or bitch about it?..

yes...because Wiggins didn't earn the spot. He has to beat Dion out for the spot to get it. Dion isn't no scrub when it comes to defense either.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

yes...because Wiggins didn't earn the spot. He has to beat Dion out for the spot to get it. Dion isn't no scrub when it comes to defense either.
thing is even if wiggins is worse but the coach wants him to start (for whatever reason) waiters is gonna bitch about it...and yes waiters is not awful on defense but overall from the cavs games i watched - his team defense is not good.

[russwest0]

lol I'd trade this clown if he acted this selfish in team meetings and at practice.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Dion Waiters @dionwaiters3

[russwest0]

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Dion Waiters @dionwaiters3

[NuggetsFan]

It doesn't mean that he's ready to start. Irving was the #1 pick his rookie season and he didn't get the permanent starting spot until 1/3 the way through the season.

Irving started every game? He wasn't thrown into the fire right away but he got the start and decent minutes right from the get go :confusedshrug:

[DukeDelonte13]

people who watch Waiters play night in and night out know he's better than good, he's a stud.

People who only read things about him and don't actually watch him play think he sucks, despite having extremely similar stats to Beal.

He's a starting calibre guard in this league EASILY capable of 20ppg a night. He's a better PG than an SG though.

That's why he's better suited coming off the bench. He's at his best when he's handling the ball.

[Meticode]

The records say Kyrie has started every game hes played. Is that not the case?

Im aware that it could be incorrect.
No, I'm incorrect. I was thinking his first pre-season for whatever reason. I think he didn't actually start his first pre-season game like halfway or two thirds the way through the pre-season. Cavaliers fans were getting upset at this and impatient.

[hangintheair]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

[poido123]

Bulls should make a move for him..


I was thinking the same thing, although waiters might be a team cancer that would only hurt us.

Scoring and creativity from the sg spot is what we desperately need and he would provide that.

However, I can't see a conference rival helping us out either.

[Cocaine80s]

do nig*as think hes Darth Vader or something?




Its obvious hes just fvcking around. i think he already knows hes coming off the bench again

[Meticode]

Why?
I take that back, they can trade him.

[Meticode]

Irving started every game? He wasn't thrown into the fire right away but he got the start and decent minutes right from the get go :confusedshrug:
Yea I know, I was thinking pre-season. I stated this later on in the thread. I assume to much.

[KyrieTheFuture]

What he's supposed to WANT to be replaced by a rookie?

[Meticode]

Bulls should make a move for him..
I wouldn't mind this, it'd have to be realistically for Taj Gibson though in my mind.

[Jailblazers7]

people who watch Waiters play night in and night out know he's better than good, he's a stud.

People who only read things about him and don't actually watch him play think he sucks, despite having extremely similar stats to Beal.

He's a starting calibre guard in this league EASILY capable of 20ppg a night. He's a better PG than an SG though.

That's why he's better suited coming off the bench. He's at his best when he's handling the ball.

Yeah, it's be a waste of his talents to start next to Lebron and Kyrie. Wiggins is a good fit for those two and Waiters is a perfect scoring/playmaking punch off the bench.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Horford for Thompson + Waiters who says no?

[navy]

Horford for Thompson + Waiters who says no?
Horford is criminally underrated if you think that trade makes any sort of sense....

[Meticode]

Horford for Thompson + Waiters who says no?
Horford tearing both his pecs worries me.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Horford tearing both his pecs worries me.

Yeah, me too, I think that's why Ferry has shopped him.

[hawkfan]

Good trade, but Hawks would need to add a rookie contract along with that. Waiters himself is too valuable on the market than just Korver.

Dennis Schroeder.

[CLTHornets4eva]

Dennis Schroeder.

Hasn't proven much. Cavs can get a lot more. Given Ferry's ties to the Cleveland F.O. I think we will se something here. Atlanta needs to do something since FA's won't take their money. Another young piece and another run may help to energize the fanbase and lead momentum into the 2015 FA. Class. If I were Atlanta I would be building up the draft picks as a facilitator and try to get Aldridge in '15.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Hasn't proven much. Cavs can get a lot more. Given Ferry's ties to the Cleveland F.O. I think we will se something here. Atlanta needs to do something since FA's won't take their money. Another young piece and another run may help to energize the fanbase and lead momentum into the 2015 FA. Class. If I were Atlanta I would be building up the draft picks as a facilitator and try to get Aldridge in '15.

Aldridge is gonna re-sign in Portland for sure.

What we have to do is continue to be smart in FA and retain our flexibility. It's not glamorous or fun, but it's the best option.

You sign a guy like Millsap on the cheap when you can, and you look for the Harden-esque deal if it presents itself. You aren't getting any big time FA's and offering big money to a sub-par guy like Hayward is a trap.

[hangintheair]

DIon Waiters for Taj Gibson

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Horford for Thompson + Waiters who says no?
I would if I were the Hawks, I am a big Horford fan though.

[BoutPractice]

I have nothing against Dion but he seems like the definition of a replaceable player.

As of now he's a negative plus/minus guy who needs a 27% usage rate over 30 minutes to put up 16 points on 43% shooting and 3 assists. Add to that a negative locker room presence... you shouldn't think twice about trading him if that's necessary to get you Kevin Love.

He's not a bad trade asset either, as other teams can buy into his youth and potential.

[SpanishACB]

So either he's dumb or he's trying to save face.

:facepalm

to the question: would you take the bench

the answer: "Noooooooo"

is clearly impossible to be taken as tongue in cheeck :confusedshrug:

yes, I'm aware he's proven once and again he's a selfish prick, but hey, if you read his comments without this thought in mind there's no reason it can't be that he's joking around in the sense he really has no issue with it?

[GimmeThat]

he played 30 minutes per game last season.

[BigTicket]

I like Dion, but he needs to sit his ass down if that is what is best for the team.

Also, he really needs to work on his shooting. A freethrow percentage of 68.5 is not acceptable for a shooting guard.

[East_Stone_Ya]

what a diva

[DukeDelonte13]

to the question: would you take the bench

the answer: "Noooooooo"

is clearly impossible to be taken as tongue in cheeck :confusedshrug:

yes, I'm aware he's proven once and again he's a selfish prick, but hey, if you read his comments without this thought in mind there's no reason it can't be that he's joking around in the sense he really has no issue with it?


why do people think this?

Dion has by far better intangibles than Kyrie irving. Kyrie is infinitely more selfish than Dion is, Dion had a rough upbringing and has a rougher exterior and the rumor about him "punching" kryie (totally false) doesn't help.

[Dragic4Life]

Trade this little diva please.:facepalm

[andremiller07]

Pacers should try get him off the Cavs for a future 1st round pick or something, they need a player like him next to Hill.

[lakerfreak]

yes...because Wiggins didn't earn the spot. He has to beat Dion out for the spot to get it. Dion isn't no scrub when it comes to defense either.

Any number one pick in any draft class, by default, is a starter on any NBA team.

[imnew09]

Come to the Lakers:bowdown:

[hawksdogsbraves]

Any number one pick in any draft class, by default, is a starter on any NBA team.

Anthony Bennett started 0/52 games he played in last season, (on a bad team) and likely won't start any this year either barring injury.

[DukeDelonte13]

Anthony Bennett started 0/52 games he played in last season, (on a bad team) and likely won't start any this year either barring injury.

And he shouldn't have started over TT, and no way is he a SF. Len would not have started. Ben Mac would not have started. Noel would not have played. Cody Zeller would not have started. MAYBE Dipo could have started at the 2? but that's kind of a big if.

This year I dunno what's going to happen with AB. He looks much better, and he fits better alongside Lebron because he can space the floor.

I think the cavs should have TT come off the bench and play the 4/5.

[Replay32]

All I know is Wiggins is not a SG. He can't shoot or dribble. What NBA scouts tag him as a SG/SF? He's a SF. He and Lebron play the same position.

[DukeDelonte13]

All I know is Wiggins is not a SG. He can't shoot or dribble. What NBA scouts tag him as a SG/SF? He's a SF. He and Lebron play the same position.


It's like David Griffin said, his potential to be truly elite is with him playing at the 2. He's not there yet. But as an over-sized super athletic 2 he can do the most damage.

[lakerfreak]

Anthony Bennett started 0/52 games he played in last season, (on a bad team) and likely won't start any this year either barring injury.

Why do you think that is?

[toneloc103]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kdcduyh

[SilkkTheShocker]

Cavs need to trade his loser ass ASAP.

[DMAVS41]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kdcduyh

Throw in the 2 first round picks and it's a good deal.

That remains the best deal I've seen a team offer for Love actually, but I'd imagine the Wolves would make the Cavs take back Martin. No way are they trading for Waiters and keeping Martin...while they already have Brewer.

So, if a deal like that were to get done, I'd bet it would be;

Love/Martin for Watiers/Thompson/Andy and 2 first rounders.

Honestly, if I'm the Cavs...I insist on Dieng being a part of it. And I'm sure that is where they are in these discussions. Wolves probably want the Haywood contract and for the Cavs to take back Martin.

Cavs probably want to keep the haywood contract and not take back Martin...and if they do take back martin...they want Dieng as well.

I think there is a deal to be made here, but another team could swoop in and outbid that...

[NattyPButter]

Throw in the 2 first round picks and it's a good deal.

That remains the best deal I've seen a team offer for Love actually, but I'd imagine the Wolves would make the Cavs take back Martin. No way are they trading for Waiters and keeping Martin...while they already have Brewer.

So, if a deal like that were to get done, I'd bet it would be;

Love/Martin for Watiers/Thompson/Andy and 2 first rounders.

Honestly, if I'm the Cavs...I insist on Dieng being a part of it. And I'm sure that is where they are in these discussions. Wolves probably want the Haywood contract and for the Cavs to take back Martin.

Cavs probably want to keep the haywood contract and not take back Martin...and if they do take back martin...they want Dieng as well.

I think there is a deal to be made here, but another team could swoop in and outbid that...

lolz plz...you would love that rape job of giving 2 1st round picks.

[DMAVS41]

lolz plz...you would love that rape job of giving 2 1st round picks.

wait...what?

who is raping who in that scenario in your opinion?

[hawksdogsbraves]

Why do you think that is?

It's because he sucks. That wasn't my point though.


Any number one pick in any draft class, by default, is a starter on any NBA team.


My point was that this quote isn't true, lots of number one overall picks don't start right away, including the last one.

[NugzFan]

wait...what?

who is raping who in that scenario in your opinion?

Same thought I had

[el gringos]

All I know is Wiggins is not a SG. He can't shoot or dribble. What NBA scouts tag him as a SG/SF? He's a SF. He and Lebron play the same position.
Another guy that doesn't understand that positions are defensive and it's match ups.His highest ceiling is as a 2 he's that much harder to match up with for the other teams. It doesn't hurt his chances of making it at the 2 because of having the best ball handling 3 in the league and one of the best shooting 1's.


On waiters it seems crazy it's even a question. His game is best suited for a 6th man role. Hopefully he's smart enough to play hard and accept that role.


It's crazy to think that the guy who was hyped as the top athlete since lebron is going to get to just run around as a glue guy defender while being ridiculously hard to defend on the offensive end due to the crazy mismatches he will face. Think about each teams 3rd perimeter defender.

Cleveland has the perfect cast around Wiggins to develop wiggins. If waiter is an asshole about it I'd expect them to trade him fast.

[lakerfreak]

It's because he sucks. That wasn't my point though.



My point was that this quote isn't true, lots of number one overall picks don't start right away, including the last one.

They don't, because of a coaching decision. Ideally, most top 5 first round picks should be NBA ready, at least if they're not a star at that point.