Cleveland not trading Wiggins for Love is even dumber than...

[Connor B]

...rehiring Mike Brown.

Serious, what the ****? You have a chance to get a top 5 PF in the league who has said he will sign a max contract...you ****ing do it, I don't care what you have to give up. Wiggins in unproven and playing like shit in the summer league, Simmons (my favorite writer) is retarded to think Wiggins could be Scottie Pippen to Lebron. 19 year old shooting guard versus entering his prime all-star PF...Christ Cleveland how can you **** this up? And I don't even like K Love that much.

[no pun intended]

For once, I would have to agree with you.

[OnFire]

They are being greedy. They don't think they have LeBron and his Pippen, they want LeBron and the next LeBron.

Believe me, if LeBron wants Wiggins for Love it will happen.

[QuebecBaller]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[avonbarksdale]

theyd win a ring with love

[DMV2]

Not really dumb when Love's playoff numbers are the same as Wiggins.

Wiggins will be something Love will never be, that is a championship-caliber player.

[Embers]

They arnt trading Wiggins for Love

They are trading 5 years of Wiggins for 1 year of Love

Are you going to tell me that 1 year of Love will be worth more then 5 years of a bloke like Wiggins?

Cavs arnt stupid. They have 5 years to create a dynasty. Something they can create with or without Love. They are better off waiting that 1 season and seeing what they can achieve without him so that for the next 4 seasons thereafter they can roll with Wiggins AND Love.

In reality your increasing your title chances this 1 season and lowering it for the next 4. It would be bat shit insane to be so short minded

[NumberSix]

They arnt trading Wiggins for Love

They are trading 5 years of Wiggins for 1 year of Love

Are you going to tell me that 1 year of Love will be worth more then 5 years of a bloke like Wiggins?

Cavs arnt stupid. They have 5 years to create a dynasty. Something they can create with or without Love. They are better off waiting that 1 season and seeing what they can achieve without him so that for the next 4 seasons thereafter they can roll with Wiggins AND Love.

In reality your increasing your title chances this 1 season and lowering it for the next 4. It would be bat shit insane to be so short minded
Love already said he'd sign an extension.

[NumberSix]

Seriously though, it would be a typical Cleveland move.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Not really dumb when Love's playoff numbers are the same as Wiggins.

Wiggins will be something Love will never be, that is a championship-caliber player.
So. Love for Kyrie Irving? Both have the same playoff numbers.

[LoneyROY7]

Wiggins is already head and shoulders better AS A ROOKIE at one end of the court then Love is 6 seasons into his career.

It's called defense. Something that wins rings, not empty stats.

[PleezeBelieve]

Bu..bu.. but RBA said Wiggins is a future all star :roll:

[LBJMVP]

Wiggins is gonna be better than love.
Cavs must be seeing something very special
From him during practices. Sure he hasn't been amazing
In summer but you can't just sense from watching
He's gonna be special

[DonDadda59]

http://conniedieken.com/images/uploads/blogimg/LeBron-decision1.jpg

[PleezeBelieve]

Wiggins is already head and shoulders better AS A ROOKIE at one end of the court then Love is 6 seasons into his career.

It's called defense. It's something that wins rings, not empty stats.
Wiggins ain't stopping nobody in the league just like he didn't stop anyone at Kansas. You Wiggins fanatics taking this 'he so great on D' sh*t and running with it like you Forrest Gump :roll:

[FireMcFailPlease]

Wiggins is gonna be better than love.
Cavs must be seeing something very special
From him during practices. Sure he hasn't been amazing
In summer but you can't just sense from watching
He's gonna be special
Sounds like a lot of empty promises for someone thats known to just jump very high and has hype.

[LoneyROY7]

Wiggins ain't stopping nobody in the league just like he didn't stop anyone at Kansas. You Wiggins fanatics taking this 'he so great on D' sh*t and running with it like you Forrest Gump :roll:

You gonna follow Waiters to his new team?

[PleezeBelieve]

Wiggins is gonna be better than love.
Cavs must be seeing something very special
From him during practices. Sure he hasn't been amazing
In summer but you can't just sense from watching
He's gonna be special
Typical uninformed, short sighted Cavs fan right here. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[PleezeBelieve]

Wiggins has been the next Next for like three years now. From Michael to LeBron to now Pippen

Who will Wiggins supposedly be the next Next?

Stay tuned and ISH will let you know


:roll:

[LoneyROY7]

Wiggins has been the next Next for like three years now. From Michael to LeBron to now Pippen

Who will Wiggins supposedly be the next Next?

Stay tuned and ISH will let you know


:roll:

Dion Waiters and PleezeBelieve. Dumb and Dumber. :roll:

[The Choken One]

I'd rather Wiggins than a glorious stat padder.

[PJR]

Ya I really do hope the Cavs are stupid enough to be resistant on trading Wiggins as part of a package for Love (should he agree to an extension).

With Irving and LeBron, you have two high usage ball handlers, and you're going to be getting diminishing on Wiggins as a prospect. And the Cavs front court situation is nothing to write home about. The trade is a no brainer. But they are the Cavs.....:oldlol:

[Uncle Drew]

Why trade Wiggins for Love, if you can get Love without giving up Wiggins?

[LBJMVP]

Typical uninformed, short sighted Cavs fan right here. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Uninformed? I know just as much about Cleveland than anyone on this board, and more bball knowledge in general than most here. A wiggins is gonna be better than love.

[Milbuck]

I live for the infrequent, aggressive Connor B thread. I ****ing love OP.

[CelticBaller]

They turned down hickson for amare doe, what you expect from them?

[pegasus]

It's Lebron's fault. He's committed to staying there only 1 year, making it difficult for the Cavs to make long-term plans.

[Phantom84]

Why trade Wiggins for Love, if you can get Love without giving up Wiggins?

Pretty much this, a lot of people fail to understand that the Wolves has no leverage in this. In one year, they are going to lose Love so they are going to be forced to trade him or get nothing in return. I don't see any offer that is better than Cleveland with Waiters & Bennett/Thompson & and a future 1st round pick. This is a game of chicken and it is a game that the Wolves are going to lose.

Also, there is no gaurantee that Love is going to keep his word.

[sfballa13]

...rehiring Mike Brown.

Serious, what the ****? You have a chance to get a top 5 PF in the league who has said he will sign a max contract...you ****ing do it, I don't care what you have to give up. Wiggins in unproven and playing like shit in the summer league, Simmons (my favorite writer) is retarded to think Wiggins could be Scottie Pippen to Lebron. 19 year old shooting guard versus entering his prime all-star PF...Christ Cleveland how can you **** this up? And I don't even like K Love that much.

If Love gets traded for a shit package sometime between now and the trade deadline then yes Cleveland ****ed up

But the Cavs are actually playing it smart. They know that Wiggins wont bust and even if he does in the first few weeks they will still be able to call Flip and make the trade.

Cavs have everything to gain. Once the season starts the Wolves will be fcuked and will take whatever they can get for Love. And surprise surprise the best package still will be from the Cavs

On the night of the draft I called Bron coming back home to the Cavs and suggested them trading for Love and everyone on here said even the #1 wasnt enough, I cant wait until the Cavs trade Bennett and Waiters for Love around deadline time. Flip got screwed and unfortunately so did the Wolves and their fans

[bagelred]

Wiggins is also a lot cheaper than Love for 4 years at least.

I wouldn't give away Wiggins so fast...like others said, maybe you can get Love without giving up Wiggins. If he might be the next Lebron, how do you give that away?

[RedBlackAttack]

Seriously though, it would be a typical Cleveland move.
You mean like the typical Cleveland move that was snatching the best player in the NBA right away from the Heat? Yes, I agree. They're doing the right thing again, here.

[PejaNowitzki]

Of course this whole "we're not trading Wiggins" stance could just be posturing since currently, because of league rules, they CAN'T trade Wiggins. Who knows what happens once he's actually able to be moved.

[RedBlackAttack]

Of course this whole "we're not trading Wiggins" stance could just be posturing since currently, because of league rules, they CAN'T trade Wiggins. Who knows what happens once he's actually able to be moved.
It could be posturing, but it's not... nor should it be. You don't give away Andrew Wiggins for a guy who will be available for cap space in 360 days. I know everyone puts everything in the context of LeBron James, but the Cavs are playing the long game. They have plenty of moveable pieces and a flexible roster for the present and one of the best young cores in the league. When LeBron is 35, Wiggins will be 25.

They could act smartly and contend now and 10 years from now or act irresponsibly and give themselves a 3-4 year window.

[Aussie Dunker]

I'm thinking Wiggins development might be hindered somewhat whilst playing 3rd option at best for atleast the next 3 or 4 years... Especially when his natural position is Lebron's natural position...

Irving / Lebron / Love and fill the rest of the roster with defenders - that is a championship favorite for the next 5 years... I'd say that is something you would have to do... I wouldn't do Wiggins for Love if Lebron has stayed at Heat, but now you have Lebron, I think it is a move that is there to make...

[Meticode]

There's no reason to trade Wiggins for Love at this time when Cleveland can possibly get Love and keep Wiggins.

1.) The longer we wait and the T'Wolves wait, the more leverage other teams will have to land him, including Cleveland.

2.) Let's see how Wiggins actually looks alongside LeBron at least for half a season to see the potential.

3.) If there is one thing that outweighs production, it's potential. It'll always be that way.

4.) We can't trade Wiggins for at least 30 days since he played in Summer League from that I heard. I don't know if that's true though.

[LBJFTW]

What is up with these Wiggins for Love threads.

What offers have the Wolves gotten?
What team wants Love when he said he wants to play for CLE.
What leverage does the Wolves have?

CLE would be stupid to not get Love while still keeping essentially anyone they want to keep!

[noob cake]

PB killing em' stans :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Meticode]

PB killing em' stans :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
The irony.

[dubeta]

Ppl are underrating athleticism on this thread

Keep Wiggins

Look at all the freak athletes in the league, Westbrook, Bran ,Griffin, Derrick Rose, Dwight, Josh Smith, Gerald Green, Nate Robinson, Nick Young

While not all of them are stars, there is a high correlation between athleticism and stardom

Wiggins could bring you what Kawhi did for the Spurs in the playoffs, which imo is more valuable than a Kevin Love 25 12 statpadder who needs the ball to be effective

[FireMcFailPlease]

Ppl are underrating athleticism on this thread

Keep Wiggins

Look at all the freak athletes in the league, Westbrook, Bran ,Griffin, Derrick Rose, Dwight, Josh Smith, Gerald Green, Nate Robinson, Nick Young

While not all of them are stars, there is a high correlation between athleticism and stardom

Wiggins could bring you what Kawhi did for the Spurs in the playoffs, which imo is more valuable than a Kevin Love 25 12 statpadder who needs the ball to be effective
Take out Lebron, LOOK AT THOSE RINGS!

[KyrieTheFuture]

The outrage on this board over this blows my goddamn mind. 3 months ago people couldn't stop talking about how overrated Love is. No other team is offering anything good for Love, why should we be the ones to do that? This team needs defense, shooting, and a bench. Why make our defense and bench even worse for an upgrade in shooting? We have LeBron and Kyrie. Love will not be getting that many touches. Wiggins is a better fit for this team regardless of how much you guys think Love and LeBron fit together.

[Jailblazers7]

It could be posturing, but it's not... nor should it be. You don't give away Andrew Wiggins for a guy who will be available for cap space in 360 days. I know everyone puts everything in the context of LeBron James, but the Cavs are playing the long game. They have plenty of moveable pieces and a flexible roster for the present and one of the best young cores in the league. When LeBron is 35, Wiggins will be 25.

They could act smartly and contend now and 10 years from now or act irresponsibly and give themselves a 3-4 year window.

Yeah, totally agree. And I think it extends Lebron's career too. Imagine running the offense through him at the high post once Wiggins really hits his stride. Lebron can get a rest on D for the rest of his career playing next to Wiggins.

[noob cake]

Ppl are underrating athleticism on this thread

Keep Wiggins

Look at all the freak athletes in the league, Westbrook, Bran ,Griffin, Derrick Rose, Dwight, Josh Smith, Gerald Green, Nate Robinson, Nick Young

While not all of them are stars, there is a high correlation between athleticism and stardom

Wiggins could bring you what Kawhi did for the Spurs in the playoffs, which imo is more valuable than a Kevin Love 25 12 statpadder who needs the ball to be effective

Where is DJ Stephens? Kenny Gregory? Shane Larkins? Timmy Bowers? Jamario Moon? Matt Santangelo? Speedy Claxton? Alex Scales? Pierre Jackson? Rodney Williams? Jordam Farmer? Patrick Ewing-JR?

Oh wait, they are are role to trash level players. Athleticism is the most overrated aspect of NBA scouting. Basketball is a game of skill. It is not a game of running fast and jumping high.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=12

[FireMcFailPlease]

Yeah, totally agree. And I think it extends Lebron's career too. Imagine running the offense through him at the high post once Wiggins really hits his stride. Lebron can get a rest on D for the rest of his career playing next to Wiggins.
This is the only thing I've read that makes sense to keep Wiggins over trading him for Love.


Other than that..

[Dbrog]

Not really dumb when Love's playoff numbers are the same as Wiggins.

Wiggins will be something Love will never be, that is a championship-caliber player.

Let's not act like the Twolves would make the playoffs regardless of who you were to replace love with. Ex:

Rubio
Brewer
Lebron
Cunningham
Pekovic

This is still not a playoff team in the West.

[Aussie Dunker]

Let's not act like the Twolves would make the playoffs regardless of who you were to replace love with. Ex:

Rubio
Brewer
Lebron
Cunningham
Pekovic

This is still not a playoff team in the West.

I'd take that bet, Bron would be taking that team to the playoffs... No doubt,

[knickballer]

Let's not act like the Twolves would make the playoffs regardless of who you were to replace love with. Ex:

Rubio
Brewer
Lebron
Cunningham
Pekovic

This is still not a playoff team in the West.

Lmao. They'll probably go with something like this:

Rubio/JJ/Shved
LaVine/Budinger/Brewer
Martin/Budinger/Brewer/Hummels/Shabzz
Lebron/Cunningham
Pekovic/Dieng/Turiaf

Or something like that. Team is a dynasty in the making

[Dbrog]

Lmao. They'll probably go with something like this:

Rubio/JJ/Shved
LaVine/Budinger/Brewer
Martin/Budinger/Brewer/Hummels/Shabzz
Lebron/Cunningham
Pekovic/Dieng/Turiaf

Or something like that. Team is a dynasty in the making

Just checking but this is sarcasm yes? If so then :oldlol: :applause:

[VIntageNOvel]

It's Lebron's fault. He's committed to staying there only 1 year, making it difficult for the Cavs to make long-term plans.


old cavs all over again

[JtotheIzzo]

I'd take that bet, Bron would be taking that team to the playoffs... No doubt,

of course he would, and Love should too, if he really is a top ten player in the league. Reality is he is just a sexy second banana who trolls stats.

[Meticode]

It's too bad David Kahn doesn't still work for the Timberwolves. We could probably trade Delly, the picks and another PG and he'd do it.

[hangintheair]

What I'm seeing is. If Cleveland don't have Wiggins, Minnesota have already agreed with Waiters+Bennett+ Picks for Love.

[yellowlebron]

Even dumber than the Bucks trading Dirk for Robert Taylor.

No Love, no offense for the Cavs. Wiggins can't shoot, will cramp up spacing and **** up the offense. His defense might be great, but with him, you can't go small-ball without having two players who can't shoot. With Love you can run pace and space lineups like Irving, Waiters, Miller, James and Love or Irving, Miller, James, Love and Varejao. With Wiggins, the best you can do is Irving, Wiggins, Miller, James and Varejao, but then you'd have two players on the court who can't shoot. You could plug in Waiters for Wiggins, but then your best lineup doesn't include a player you wouldn't trade for a player that could actually unlock the offense. There's no ****ing way you can score like that. Even when James played with a "just passed his prime Wade" against OKC and the Spurs last year, the offense was still much better when it was James and four shooters, or James and three shooters and a big. The defense didn't take too much of a hit as well, because if you're not missing, you can go back and set your defense.

Trust the Cavs not to understand spacing though. I bet my dog's life they won't trade Wiggins, but I sure hope they do. If they do, I'll upload a picture of my decapitated dog.

[9erempiree]

You don't trade a franchise player like Wiggins.

I would trade Lebron before Wiggins.

[kennethgriffin]

You don't trade a franchise player like Wiggins.

I would trade Lebron before Wiggins.

lol whats with the cavs avatar

[Aussie Dunker]

You don't trade a franchise player like Wiggins.

I would trade Lebron before Wiggins.

I would of thought you don't trade a 4 x MVP, 2 x Champion in his prime... But maybe that's me...