Mavs Summer

[DMAVS41]

Mavs fans (or others)...grade the summer for the Mavs.

Do you like the Parsons signing? What do you think of the other moves?


My take is that I like Parsons a lot and think he'll fit perfectly on our team, but I'm worried we didn't get him at proper value compared to what else we could have done with that money.

For example, we could have signed Thomas, Ariza, and Ed Davis for the same price we paid to Parsons...and still had our mini exception left.

Those signings would have given us the depth to allow us to get creative and potentially dump Felton/Wright and potentially a pick if need be on the Sixers to open up more room or perhaps take back a guy like Thad Young.

We still have the exception left, so hopefully we get that guard we so badly need.

What do you guys think?

I personally think we should have gone the Thomas, Ariza, Davis route...and then gotten creative with Felton/Wright and a pick to open up room to potentially bring back Carter, Blair, and a 2.5 million a year player with the 8.5 in cap that would have opened up. Or, like I said above, take back Thad young....which might be really nice and he's an expiring contract next year.

I feel like Parsons has to be an elite force for this to make sense.

[mattvNJ]

I like the parsons signing. I feel he can do a little bit of everything. The price may be steep(not horribly). But i think chandler given the opportunity for more touches can be a stud. All-star potential. Though that view point may have been over shadowed by dwight and harden constantly demanding or having the ball. His stats in almost every category has improved every year.

Also Dirk hooked you guys up, nicest guy in the league and pretty ****ing loyal for taking that deal. If they continue to sign young high potential guys and keep their main core for cheap like theyre doing. I see good things in the future.

Devin
Monta
Parson
Dirk
Chandler

Is a great start for a roster. You have scoring, moderate defense in the paint and on the wing with chandler. Definite playoff squad.

[DMAVS41]

I like the parsons signing. I feel he can do a little bit of everything. The price may be steep(not horribly). But i think chandler given the opportunity for more touches can be a stud. All-star potential. Though that view point may have been over shadowed by dwight and harden constantly demanding or having the ball. His stats in almost every category has improved every year.

Also Dirk hooked you guys up, nicest guy in the league and pretty ****ing loyal for taking that deal. If they continue to sign young high potential guys and keep their main core for cheap like theyre doing. I see good things in the future.

Devin
Monta
Parson
Dirk
Chandler

Is a great start for a roster. You have scoring, moderate defense in the paint and on the wing with chandler. Definite playoff squad.

Would you rather have Parsons...or Thomas, Ariza, Ed Davis for the same price?

[mattvNJ]

Would you rather have Parsons...or Thomas, Ariza, Ed Davis for the same price?
Parsons right now. Big fan of the guy. He does it all, especially with the pieces you guys have already.

[BuffaloBill]

I have a feeling the Mavs are gonna be one of the top 3 teams in texas this season.

[Le Shaqtus]

I have a feeling the Mavs are gonna be one of the top 3 teams in texas this season.

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[shortsoptional]

Mavs fans (or others)...grade the summer for the Mavs.

Do you like the Parsons signing? What do you think of the other moves?


My take is that I like Parsons a lot and think he'll fit perfectly on our team, but I'm worried we didn't get him at proper value compared to what else we could have done with that money.

For example, we could have signed Thomas, Ariza, and Ed Davis for the same price we paid to Parsons...and still had our mini exception left.

Those signings would have given us the depth to allow us to get creative and potentially dump Felton/Wright and potentially a pick if need be on the Sixers to open up more room or perhaps take back a guy like Thad Young.

We still have the exception left, so hopefully we get that guard we so badly need.

What do you guys think?

I personally think we should have gone the Thomas, Ariza, Davis route...and then gotten creative with Felton/Wright and a pick to open up room to potentially bring back Carter, Blair, and a 2.5 million a year player with the 8.5 in cap that would have opened up. Or, like I said above, take back Thad young....which might be really nice and he's an expiring contract next year.

I feel like Parsons has to be an elite force for this to make sense.

Hard to grade right now.

I like all your ideas about Thomas/Ariza/Davis... and you're right...Parsons better be killing it this year for this move to make sense. On VC, I'm ok with letting him walk. He'll leave a great memory from game 3, but he was very frustrating to watch other times. Now i'd rather have him than trying to let Richard Jefferson work that 6th man role... that's why I'm really hoping for Mo.

But I also want to know what happened with Blair. He was so valuable last year in the playoffs. Not as much in the regular season... so I don't know if that was simply a match-up only situation that the FO thought he couldn't duplicate on a regular basis or if there were chemistry issues. But trading out Blair for Smith doesn't come off as an upgrade..maybe a lateral move. Blair probably didn't want to sign for the minimum again is my guess.

They better sign someone nice with that 2.7...that's not a lot of money, but they better make that count. My guess is they will wait it out for the market to drop prices and see who they can fit in. I mean... if they were going to get Mo, then I think they would have already done that by now. Can't offer him anymore than that without dumping salary...it's either yes or no. There's no real negotiating wiggle room.

I'd give it a B- for now.... depending on how well Parsons plays. And depending on who they bring in with the 2.7 exception.

On the positive... we will have a lot of cap room to make moves again next year, and I would also look for Dallas to be active at the trade deadline. If Felton isn't working out or Wright is getting inconsistent minutes (almost a certainty), then that would be a nice package of expiring contracts to go out (assuming Felton ops out). Wright, as much as a like him in on occasion, just doesn't get enough minutes for me to miss him being shipped out with that 5mil.

[WTFdidNBAbigsGO]

I really like what the mavs did this summer, BUT their bench who was one of the best, has totally diminished.

Felony
?Ledo?RJ?
Crowder
?Bernard James?
Brenden Wright

VS

Harris/Larkin
Ellington
Carter/Crowder
Blair
Wright

Really need to shop for a wing 3pt specialist, too bad they missed out on Mike Miller. Also need a great defender off the bench at the 2 or 3 spot(Wesley Johnson?). They have some very obvious holes in their roster, maybe the can get a trade for Jared Dudley in L.A. His value is absolutely nothing after he just came off a turrible season but I see him bouncing back, hes as professional as it gets.

Would like to see them invest in a PF aswell, would have like for Ed Davis, possibly Kenyon Martin who is still very effective when healthy. I am not sure about Felton running the point, since Harris isnt a starting caliber point either, which mean he will get a fair amount of time. Sessions is a great option to bring off the bench if they can get him.

Anyways, I am pumped for this season, will be fun to watch them next year!

[Droid101]

If they get Marion back and get Mo Will or Jameer, B.

If not and this is what they roll into the season with, C.

[DMAVS41]

I really like what the mavs did this summer, BUT their bench who was one of the best, has totally diminished.

Felony
?Ledo?RJ?
Crowder
?Bernard James?
Brenden Wright

VS

Harris/Larkin
Ellington
Carter/Crowder
Blair
Wright

Really need to shop for a wing 3pt specialist, too bad they missed out on Mike Miller. Also need a great defender off the bench at the 2 or 3 spot(Wesley Johnson?). They have some very obvious holes in their roster, maybe the can get a trade for Jared Dudley in L.A. His value is absolutely nothing after he just came off a turrible season but I see him bouncing back, hes as professional as it gets.

Would like to see them invest in a PF aswell, would have like for Ed Davis, possibly Kenyon Martin who is still very effective when healthy. I am not sure about Felton running the point, since Harris isnt a starting caliber point either, which mean he will get a fair amount of time. Sessions is a great option to bring off the bench if they can get him.

Anyways, I am pumped for this season, will be fun to watch them next year!

You left out a lot of our bench guys;

Jefferson, Lewis, and Smith...and we will get at least one key player with our exception.

Mavs fans seem to be agreed that Mo or Jameer are the best choices. I prefer Jameer actually.

Hopefully we don't get Evan Turner. I don't want him.

Also, Ellington didn't do anything for us last year. He was a 3 million dollar paper weight.

[DMAVS41]

If they get Marion back and get Mo Will or Jameer, B.

If not and this is what they roll into the season with, C.

I don't see why we would get Marion back. We have Parsons, Jefferson, Crowder, and Lewis at that position....and we need that position to be able to shoot.

We badly need another guard....

[Le Shaqtus]

Mavs should pick up Jameer, if he doesn't ask for a lot of money anyway.

[DMAVS41]

Hard to grade right now.

I like all your ideas about Thomas/Ariza/Davis... and you're right...Parsons better be killing it this year for this move to make sense. On VC, I'm ok with letting him walk. He'll leave a great memory from game 3, but he was very frustrating to watch other times. Now i'd rather have him than trying to let Richard Jefferson work that 6th man role... that's why I'm really hoping for Mo.

But I also want to know what happened with Blair. He was so valuable last year in the playoffs. Not as much in the regular season... so I don't know if that was simply a match-up only situation that the FO thought he couldn't duplicate on a regular basis or if there were chemistry issues. But trading out Blair for Smith doesn't come off as an upgrade..maybe a lateral move. Blair probably didn't want to sign for the minimum again is my guess.

They better sign someone nice with that 2.7...that's not a lot of money, but they better make that count. My guess is they will wait it out for the market to drop prices and see who they can fit in. I mean... if they were going to get Mo, then I think they would have already done that by now. Can't offer him anymore than that without dumping salary...it's either yes or no. There's no real negotiating wiggle room.

I'd give it a B- for now.... depending on how well Parsons plays. And depending on who they bring in with the 2.7 exception.

On the positive... we will have a lot of cap room to make moves again next year, and I would also look for Dallas to be active at the trade deadline. If Felton isn't working out or Wright is getting inconsistent minutes (almost a certainty), then that would be a nice package of expiring contracts to go out (assuming Felton ops out). Wright, as much as a like him in on occasion, just doesn't get enough minutes for me to miss him being shipped out with that 5mil.


What would you think about Felton, Wright, and a pick for Thad Young?

I don't love that, and it makes me kind of pissed about Parsons. Not only could we have had Thomas, Ariza, and Davis...but that would have given us the depth to ship Felton/Wright and a pick to open up around 9 million more in cap. We could have brought back Carter and Blair...and then still had around 3 million more in cap...and would still have our exception iirc.

Our team really could have looked like this if we had not swung for the fences with Melo/Parsons and gone after the value guys from the jump;

Thomas/Harris/Mekel
Ellis/Carter/Ledo
Ariza/Jefferson/Crowder
Dirk/Blair/Lewis
Chandler/Davis/Smith

And I think we'd still have some cap and our mini exception as well. We actually could have gotten Carter and Hawes if we dumped Felton/Wright early on as well.

I guess I just don't value Parsons the way the Mavs do. We'll see, but some of the scenarios I'm talking about seem like they are way better and were actually very attainable if that was the plan from day 1.

We just still only have 1 guy (ellis) that can create his own offense...and we have poor depth at guard and our potentially very weak at center if Chandler or Smith aren't healthy (almost a sure fire thing to happen for at least 25 games this season).

Just don't like the depth of our team at all to be honest.

All of my complaining means nothing though if Parsons is able to come in and be a legit all-star caliber player and carry the team with Ellis...allowing Dirk to be our 3rd guy. Then it will all be worth it.

[NumberSix]

Mavs are stacked. It would be only average if they win the chip.

[Pointguard]

My original thinking was that Parson's seems to be two years away before he can be a star. Throws off some of the Dirk urgency. But I can't say I watched Parson's really hard because Houston was a bit of a mess to watch. There were a lot of things going on.

[Nastradamus]

The Chandler move was the one I liked least. Felton is a downgrade from Calderon, Larkin was one of their only good young guys(at a position needing some depth) and Dalembert isn't that much different from Chandler. Even Ellington is useful as a 3 point specialist.

That money could have gone to someone like Stephenson or to some depth up front.

[shortsoptional]

The Chandler move was the one I liked least. Felton is a downgrade from Calderon, Larkin was one of their only good young guys(at a position needing some depth) and Dalembert isn't that much different from Chandler. Even Ellington is useful as a 3 point specialist.

That money could have gone to someone like Stephenson or to some depth up front.


No.

[SexSymbol]

They lost as much as they got

[DMAVS41]

The Chandler move was the one I liked least. Felton is a downgrade from Calderon, Larkin was one of their only good young guys(at a position needing some depth) and Dalembert isn't that much different from Chandler. Even Ellington is useful as a 3 point specialist.

That money could have gone to someone like Stephenson or to some depth up front.

Well, Ellington and Larkin played no role whatsoever...and Dalembert is not as good as Chandler.

[chocolatethunder]

Mavs fans (or others)...grade the summer for the Mavs.

Do you like the Parsons signing? What do you think of the other moves?


My take is that I like Parsons a lot and think he'll fit perfectly on our team, but I'm worried we didn't get him at proper value compared to what else we could have done with that money.

For example, we could have signed Thomas, Ariza, and Ed Davis for the same price we paid to Parsons...and still had our mini exception left.

Those signings would have given us the depth to allow us to get creative and potentially dump Felton/Wright and potentially a pick if need be on the Sixers to open up more room or perhaps take back a guy like Thad Young.

We still have the exception left, so hopefully we get that guard we so badly need.

What do you guys think?

I personally think we should have gone the Thomas, Ariza, Davis route...and then gotten creative with Felton/Wright and a pick to open up room to potentially bring back Carter, Blair, and a 2.5 million a year player with the 8.5 in cap that would have opened up. Or, like I said above, take back Thad young....which might be really nice and he's an expiring contract next year.

I feel like Parsons has to be an elite force for this to make sense.

Nah, I like the Parsons signing and sometimes you overpay. I think in Dallas' case they were sick of being spurned in free agency and wanted to make sure that they got someone this year. He fits on that team well. Is he a max guy? No, but it doesn't matter.

Ariza is good but I don't think that he's a better fit than parsons. I can't stand Thomas so I def don't care about losing him.

The Sixers were originally asking for a first round pick for Thad. He's not worth that but Hinkie isn't going to take back anyone that Dallas has so that's just wishful thinking.

I think that Dallas has had a great off season. I wish they could keep Trix and Carter but that's the way it is. Parsons is three years younger than Ariza and that never hurts. They have certainly improved and it's a relief because as a Mavs fan its been kinda shitty the last couple of years so this is good. It doesn't get them to the finals but they are definitely more dangerous.

[chocolatethunder]

The Chandler move was the one I liked least. Felton is a downgrade from Calderon, Larkin was one of their only good young guys(at a position needing some depth) and Dalembert isn't that much different from Chandler. Even Ellington is useful as a 3 point specialist.

That money could have gone to someone like Stephenson or to some depth up front.
Dalembert is brutal. I've watched him since his rookie year. He teases you with a great game and then gives you 10 bad ones.

[shortsoptional]

What would you think about Felton, Wright, and a pick for Thad Young?

I don't love that, and it makes me kind of pissed about Parsons. Not only could we have had Thomas, Ariza, and Davis...but that would have given us the depth to ship Felton/Wright and a pick to open up around 9 million more in cap. We could have brought back Carter and Blair...and then still had around 3 million more in cap...and would still have our exception iirc.

Our team really could have looked like this if we had not swung for the fences with Melo/Parsons and gone after the value guys from the jump;

Thomas/Harris/Mekel
Ellis/Carter/Ledo
Ariza/Jefferson/Crowder
Dirk/Blair/Lewis
Chandler/Davis/Smith



I'm trying to remember how long Thad's contract is ....if he's coming off the bench, then i don't love it. 8-9 mil for next two years? Admittedly, I haven't seen him play a bunch...but that's a high price.

I know most would say that Thomas' height is such a disadvantage, but i'm more concerned with him staying in front of his man. If he does that, then I'm not hugely concerned about height. Not many PG's nowadays back down smaller guys (Andre Miller last current PG i've seen do that consistently). In that, then I like that line-up quite a bit.

I tend to agree with you on what kind of depth we could have had. Rotation will get tighter come playoff time, but unless they really think Crowder is going to play 2-4 and think Felton is going to round in to form (:lol ), then I have my doubts about the depth.

I don't expect a chip this year or even WCF's...I think next year or this years trade deadline will be when we make another move to really bolster the roster, IMO.

[DMAVS41]

Nah, I like the Parsons signing and sometimes you overpay. I think in Dallas' case they were sick of being spurned in free agency and wanted to make sure that they got someone this year. He fits on that team well. Is he a max guy? No, but it doesn't matter.

Ariza is good but I don't think that he's a better fit than parsons. I can't stand Thomas so I def don't care about losing him.

The Sixers were originally asking for a first round pick for Thad. He's not worth that but Hinkie isn't going to take back anyone that Dallas has so that's just wishful thinking.

I think that Dallas has had a great off season. I wish they could keep Trix and Carter but that's the way it is. Parsons is three years younger than Ariza and that never hurts. They have certainly improved and it's a relief because as a Mavs fan its been kinda shitty the last couple of years so this is good. It doesn't get them to the finals but they are definitely more dangerous.

I definitely think the Sixers would absorb Felton and Wright if we threw in a 2nd rounder. We wouldn't have to get Young....we could have just shed them to open up cap space to retain Carter and Blair and perhaps another player.

[chocolatethunder]

I definitely think the Sixers would absorb Felton and Wright if we threw in a 2nd rounder. We wouldn't have to get Young....we could have just shed them to open up cap space to retain Carter and Blair and perhaps another player.
Are they expirers? Sorry, I'm not familiar w their contracts. Hinkie got two seconds and a first (back) two move back two spots in the draft. To absorb their contracts I would think he wants a first but who knows. He will more than likely wait for a better deal for a first than take them for a second because he doesn't have to do anything. You never know but that's the idea I get from him.

[SwishSquared]

They've had a pretty good summer, although not great. I think Parsons' skillset will shine with a real tactician in Carlisle at the helm (as opposed to McHale.I like the guy but you know how he is with Xs & Os...).

How good is Crowder as a shutdown wing defender + 3-point shooter? I'm not familiar with his game. If he's not a shutdown 3&D guy, maybe they bring somebody else in (I think Parsons' defense got worse annually, but maybe that changes somewhat). I think that they should look into grabbing Jameer Nelson for cheap, if he's willing. Just feel they need another PG. Wasn't great in C&S 3pt opportunities last season, but idk which other PGs on market that would sign for cheap can knock down 3s. Maybe Aaron Brooks? But his defense is basically non-existent.

I know Wright's expiring and Felton has a player option for 2015-2016 (Wright's easier to move imo regardless). Not sure if one/both guys get moved, who Dallas would look to acquire. Can always use stretch provision worst-case scenario if there's somebody they want. Anybody know how much $ they'd have available if they dumped both for no money or used stretch provision?

Going into the summer, I think getting Bradley, Ariza, and a rim protector would have been great. Obviously, none of that happened (except getting Tyson in a contract season). Wonder if they could/should have traded for Lin + Asik and moved some combo of Dalembert/Wright/Ellington/Calderon/pick(s)/filler in a potential (maybe 3/4-team) deal to acquire Ariza in a S&T. Unlikely able to pull it off, but a starting line-up of:

Lin-Ellis-Ariza-Dirk-Asik

coached by Carlisle is pretty darn potent imo. Especially with Lin/Asik in contract years.

[DMAVS41]

Are they expirers? Sorry, I'm not familiar w their contracts. Hinkie got two seconds and a first (back) two move back two spots in the draft. To absorb their contracts I would think he wants a first but who knows. He will more than likely wait for a better deal for a first than take them for a second because he doesn't have to do anything. You never know but that's the idea I get from him.

Wright is a 5 million expirer and Felton has a sub 4 million player option.

I'm pretty sure they have to add some salary soon.

[chocolatethunder]

Wright is a 5 million expirer and Felton has a sub 4 million player option.

I'm pretty sure they have to add some salary soon.
You don't have to add salary at all. At the end of the year if you're below the salary floor you just pay the difference between your payroll and the salary floor and the players on your roster at the time split that "penalty". So you just end up paying what you would be paying if you're at the floor. You don't have to be at the minimum and the "penalty" is a joke. I would expect them to maybe wait it out and see what they can get. There were talks of them taking Nash and a first and of Lin and a first but Lin and that first went to LA.