Which 5 teams have had the worst off-season so far?

[hawkfan]

Which 5 teams has had the worst off-season so far?

1. Houston - unnecessarily lost Chandler Parsons (could have kept him on his rookie contract and then still signed Trevor Ariza and have a ton of cap space). Still have a lot of cap space, so they could turn it around.

2. New York - gave Carmelo Anthony too big of a contract (should have forced him to take another 10 million less). Couldn't move Bargnani or Stoudemire. Doubtful they will make the playoffs despite getting Calderon.

3. Atlanta - got Sefolosha and Bazemore, but struck out with Deng, Gasol. Still have cap space - let's see what happens.

4. Thunder - didn't do anything despite having a decent trade exception. Anthony Morrow is overpaid.

5. Sacramento - convinced Rudy Gay to opt in, when they would have a large amount of cap space if he hadn't.

[Dragic4Life]

Lakers?

[navy]

Which 5 teams has had the worst off-season so far?

1. Houston - unnecessarily lost Chandler Parsons (could have kept him on his rookie contract and then still signed Trevor Ariza and have a ton of cap space). Still have a lot of cap space, so they could turn it around.

2. New York - gave Carmelo Anthony too big of a contract (should have forced him to take another 10 million less). Couldn't move Bargnani or Stoudemire. Doubtful they will make the playoffs despite getting Calderon.

3. Atlanta - got Sefolosha and Bazemore, but struck out with Deng, Gasol. Still have cap space - let's see what happens.

4. Thunder - didn't do anything despite having a decent trade exception. Anthony Morrow is overpaid.

5. Sacramento - convinced Rudy Gay to opt in, when they would have a large amount of cap space if he hadn't.
:biggums:

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Rockets - obvious. lost a lot to just get Ariza, missed on Bosh
Nets - lost Pierce, Livingston, Thornton just to get Jack. Lost their coach (which may turn out to be a good thing)
Pacers - lost arguably their best player. cannot trade Hibbert
Kings - Gay stayed
Thunder - kept Westbrook, Brooks, Perkins

[Fudge]

Thunder had one of the best offseasons, dummy.

[hawkfan]

Thunder had one of the best offseasons, dummy.

Really?
Morrow is enough to get the Thunder past San Antonio?
Now, if the Thunder had had Gasol, then definitely, the Thunder would have enough talent to match up with San Antonio.

[kennethgriffin]

Lakers?

lakers significantly improved their roster compared to last year

if you judge the lakers based on having to sign every big name. then yes they failed

but if you judge the lakers just on improvements

- randle = really good player
- boozer = really good player
- ed davis = good player
- jeremy lin = good player
- jordan clarkson = good player

compared to their losses

- pau gasol



its a successful offseason. they added more than they lost.

[JohnFreeman]

Except Rudy Gay had player option

[hawkfan]

Except Rudy Gay had player option

Yea, definitely.
But the team made the push to persuade him to opt in.

[JohnFreeman]

No, he opted in because he had $18 million on the table

[Fudge]

Really?
Morrow is enough to get the Thunder past San Antonio?
Now, if the Thunder had had Gasol, then definitely, the Thunder would have enough talent to match up with San Antonio.
Losing Fisher and Thabo alone is a significant upgrade from last year. It's only a given that Lamb and Morrow will eat up whatever minutes they left. Plus, getting a 3&D guy in Huestis, energetic big in McGary, improved overall young guys...this offseason is probably the best they've had in years. Not really saying much, but still.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Losing Fisher and Thabo alone is a significant upgrade from last year. It's only a given that Lamb and Morrow will eat up whatever minutes they left. Plus, getting a 3&D guy in Huestis, energetic big in McGary, improved overall young guys...this offseason is probably the best they've had in years. Not really saying much, but still.
...but will Brooks play Lamb?

[Fudge]

...but will Brooks play Lamb?
He'll be forced to. One of them is replacing Thabo in the lineup. The other will be a backup.

That unless Brooks decides to make Reggie a full time starter.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Miami lost the best player in the world so I'd day they've had the worst off season.

Portland got worse. Lost Mo Williams and replaced him w/Steve f*cking Blake. Then signed Chris Kaman. We def added some white and some ugly. Keep Portland weird.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

He'll be forced to. One of them is replacing Thabo in the lineup. The other will be a backup.

That unless Brooks decides to make Reggie a full time starter.
which I think would just be further evidence how bad Brooks is at figuring out player rotations

[Fudge]

which I think would just be further evidence how bad Brooks is at figuring out player rotations
Yup. I'd be against it too. Reggie anchors our bench production.

[Milbuck]

Houston for all 5.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Yup. I'd be against it too. Reggie anchors our bench production.
True. and you are right - I'm loving OKC's young bench/possible new starters...

Adams
McGary
PJ3
Lamb
Reggie

If those guys reach full potential, that's a solid starting 5 in just 2~3 years, let alone being all bench players.

[Rameek]

2. New York - gave Carmelo Anthony too big of a contract (should have forced him to take another 10 million less). Couldn't move Bargnani or Stoudemire. Doubtful they will make the playoffs despite getting Calderon.

How do you force a FA to sign for less? Oh you mean back him into a corner so he can walk out the front door? Your logic escapes reality.

They could have moved Bargs and/or Stat but Zen didnt want to part with Hardaway or Shump at this point.

[Droid101]

Miami lost the best player in the world so I'd day they've had the worst off season.

Portland got worse. Lost Mo Williams and replaced him w/Steve f*cking Blake. Then signed Chris Kaman. We def added some white and some ugly. Keep Portland weird.
You're kidding right? Steve Blake is better than Mo Williams... or else they would have just kept Mo Williams since they had his rights.

[Fudge]

True. and you are right - I'm loving OKC's young bench/possible new starters...

Adams
McGary
PJ3
Lamb
Reggie

If those guys reach full potential, that's a solid starting 5 in just 2~3 years, let alone being all bench players.
I'm hoping most of those guys can make an immediate impact right off the bat, so they won't look like lost puppies when the playoffs roll around. And for the sake of KD and Russ staying when their contracts are up. Gotta heavily rely on how much these young guys improve, since our FO is too cheap to be an attractive FA destination.

And honestly, if I see that Perkins is our opening night starter, I might have to off myself.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

And honestly, if I see that Perkins is our opening night starter, I might have to off myself.
It's crazy to think Perkins is still 29 lol. Guess bad knees and coming out of HS can make anyone seem old.

If I were coaching OKC, I'd have this rotation:

Adams
Ibaka
KD
Lamb
Westbrook
-------
Collison
PJ3
Morrow
Reggie

Perk, McGary, Telfair, Roberson, etc get situational/spot minutes. But OKC NEEDS to start developing Adams and Lamb big time. Throw them starters mins, imo.

[Fudge]

But OKC NEEDS to start developing Adams and Lamb big time. Throw them starters mins, imo.
One thing to look forward to is that it's almost certain Lamb will be a starter. I still don't see Brooks sliding Reggie in there. He can't be that stupid. And I don't think he'll be quick to put Morrow in there just yet. Seems more of instant offense off the bench type of player.

Only the Perk thing is worries me, because Brooks is in love with him for some strange fukking reason.

[KNOW1EDGE]

You're kidding right? Steve Blake is better than Mo Williams... or else they would have just kept Mo Williams since they had his rights.

Steve Blake is better than Mo Williams at what? Certainly not basketball. Mo Williams career average of 13 points and 5 assists per game. Or Steve Blake's career average of 6 points & 4 assists per game?

[TheCalmInsanity]

lakers significantly improved their roster compared to last year

if you judge the lakers based on having to sign every big name. then yes they failed

but if you judge the lakers just on improvements

- randle = really good player
- boozer = really good player
- ed davis = good player
- jeremy lin = good player
- jordan clarkson = good player

compared to their losses

- pau gasol



its a successful offseason. they added more than they lost.

Adding sprinkles on a pile of shit doesn't make it a good offseason.

Boozer is the same position as the young lottery pick they just drafted, doesn't play any defense and isn't a high impact player. Jeremy Lin is an overpaid chucker they only got him because of the chinese media attention they'll get. They also paid Jordan Hill 9 mil per year (what do you know, same position as their lottery pick again), lost Gasol, and are out of cap space.

How is this a good offseason?

[Inferno]

Steve Blake is better than Mo Williams at what? Certainly not basketball. Mo Williams career average of 13 points and 5 assists per game. Or Steve Blake's career average of 6 points & 4 assists per game?

Assuming Barton and McCollum develop, you guys got better.

Blake doesn't score as well as Williams but Kaman can provide offense off the bench in a position you guys were lacking it at

[Xiao Yao You]

Utah gets Hayward, Novak and Booker. :facepalm

[kshutts1]

I'll post my top 5, then do my best to tear apart everyone else's opinions.

1) Miami. Lebron left.
2) Orlando. Channing Frye is a head-scratcher. Ben Gordon is worse.
3) NYK. Love Melo as a player, but the roster is in flux. No real hope to make it a championship caliber roster in the next two seasons, and after that, Melo will likely be in a solid decline, yet still getting max money. I realize Knicks have cap room next summer, but even IF they sign some solid players, more often than not teams need at least a season to gel.
4) Kings. Not their fault that Gay chose to resign. But then why in the world did the Kings trade for Collison? Why did they S&T Thomas for so little? Do they know Collison is worse than Thomas?
5) OKC. This is the first team on the list that I don't think had a bad offseason. I think only four teams had an outright bad offseason. This one just was not good enough to get out of the bottom 5. They didn't amnesty Perkins, or do anything else noteworthy. Granted, they're a top 3 team in the league already, likely champions if Ibaka was not hurt, but they didn't even try to fortify their depth. Just a weird, unsettled offseason of nothing for a team with such high aspirations that came up short.

[kshutts1]

Houston did not have a bad offseason. They tried for big names, and tried really hard. Not their fault they offered max deals that were not accepted. It would be their fault if they low-balled someone. But they didn't. And Ariza for 8m is better than Parsons for 15m. Great job by Houston there.

Portland got better, not worse. The poster "Knowledge" recently quoted career stats to show Mo is better than Blake. Get out of there. Not to mention, Portland has so many scorers, that they needed a steady PG, not a scorer. Then Kaman is a talented, albeit ugly, big man. As long as he's not asked to anchor your starting lineup like he was occasionally asked to do on the Lakers, he's solid.

Utah should not have matched Hayward. That puts them dangerously close to a top 5 worst offseason in my mind. But I like getting Exum and Novak. I like that they dept Favors and Kanter.

[NugzFan]

lakers significantly improved their roster compared to last year

if you judge the lakers based on having to sign every big name. then yes they failed

but if you judge the lakers just on improvements

- randle = really good player
- boozer = really good player
- ed davis = good player
- jeremy lin = good player
- jordan clarkson = good player

compared to their losses

- pau gasol



its a successful offseason. they added more than they lost.

Boozer is really good? :wtf:

Ed Davis is good? :wtf:

[NugzFan]

Thunder had one of the best offseasons, dummy.

Lol really? Id like to hear this explanation.

Unless you meant one of the top 26 or 27 offseasons.

[ImKobe]

Lakers?

They got better and made the right moves that will provide them cap space in the future. This year's team of course isn't a title contender (at least not looking like one on paper), but the better FA years are coming up and we'll have the space to sign better players than we could have gotten this year (30 yr old Melo on a 100m deal? no thanks).

[NugzFan]

They got better and made the right moves that will provide them cap space in the future. This year's team of course isn't a title contender (at least not looking like one on paper), but the better FA years are coming up and we'll have the space to sign better players than we could have gotten this year (30 yr old Melo on a 100m deal? no thanks).

Getting better when your on the bottom is not difficult. There is no way the lakers had a good offseason. At best neutral. They were going to have a better team simply by the fact that they couldn't get worse.

Better FA are coming up? Better than the FA of this summer? :oldlol:

Sounds exactly like what the lakers and their fans want to believe.

[fragokota]

Rockets(by far i think),Nets,Pacers,Thunder

Feel free to add the 5th

[ImKobe]

Getting better when your on the bottom is not difficult. There is no way the lakers had a good offseason. At best neutral. They were going to have a better team simply by the fact that they couldn't get worse.

Better FA are coming up? Better than the FA of this summer? :oldlol:

Sounds exactly like what the lakers and their fans want to believe.

Lebron we had 0 chance of getting, it was reported all year it would be between Cleveland and Miami, Lakers were rumored to go after him and they did try, but it was obvious that we had no shot

Melo was our biggest and basically the only target during the whole season that everyone talked about, Melo wanted to stay in NY because of his family and because he got 125 mil, LA couldn't top that and I'm glad he didn't choose the Lakers


Lakers had the 6th pick and chose a player that was considered a top 3 pick a year ago, got two solid bigs for peanuts, got Hill back, got Young back after he had a pretty decent year(for his standards), got Lin + a pick for NOTHING

How was this so bad for us? We used our cap wisely. Jordan Hill got 9m but it's for one year, Young got a little more than expected but he's a good player to have off the bench, other players are signed for peanuts. Kobe's coming back.

What is there to whine about? We did everything possible with the tools that were given. You're not going to go from a lottery team to a Finals contender in one season(in the West that is). Even with Melo we'd be average, considering how much he would have cost.

[NugzFan]

Like I said you were going to be better only because you can't be worse.

If someone said before the offseason the lakers would pick up some average vets, draft rankle and be in contention for the 10th seed next season while maintaining some future cap space, how many laker fans would consider it good or be excited for that?

It's neutral at best. The lakers passed on this summer hoping for a bigger one in the future.

[hawksdogsbraves]

You can't argue that the Lakers had a good offseason. They had tons of cap room and a very real chance to put a good team together around Kobe for his last run. Instead, they couldn't GIVE money away.

Pau left for less money. Melo and LeBron laughed in their faces. They weren't in the mix for Parsons or Hayward, and didn't even try for Lance Stephenson even though he wound up being pretty cheap. They ended up with Lin, Randle, Boozer, and Nick Young, hardly an all-star cast.

For a normal team this would have been a poor off-season. For the Lakers, the greatest franchise ever, trying desperately to not send Kobe off into the sunset on a team full of backups and losers, it was terrible.

Also, the Hawks had a god awful offseason. Tons of cap room and we wind up with Thabo Sefolosha??? We gave away Lou Williams for nothing. We struck out big time on Pau and Deng. Awful stuff from Ferry after a great offseason in 2013.

[kshutts1]

Also, the Hawks had a god awful offseason. Tons of cap room and we wind up with Thabo Sefolosha??? We gave away Lou Williams for nothing. We struck out big time on Pau and Deng. Awful stuff from Ferry after a great offseason in 2013.
It is crazy what you consider a bad offseason. Are you upset that you didn't pay Hayward or Parsons the max? Really? And are you really upset that you spent an offseason keeping your core intact? Your best player was out last year and you made the playoffs, found a new identity (that he fits in to perfectly), and added a good complimentary piece. That's a bad offseason?

[hawkfan]

It is crazy what you consider a bad offseason. Are you upset that you didn't pay Hayward or Parsons the max? Really? And are you really upset that you spent an offseason keeping your core intact? Your best player was out last year and you made the playoffs, found a new identity (that he fits in to perfectly), and added a good complimentary piece. That's a bad offseason?

Deng would have been a big improvement at small forward, and his signing would have pushed us into contention for winning the Eastern Conference.

That would have given us Horford-Millsap-Teague-Korver-Deng, 5 guys who can score 15-20 points on any given night. Deng is definitely a step above Carroll.

Pau Gasol - I don't think we had any real chance there. That was a waste of time and a fool's errand.

But we can hold onto our cap space and if the Knicks start out slow and then go into tear up the roster mode, we can trade for Andrea Bargnani, who could help spread the floor from the center position.

[kshutts1]

Deng would have been a big improvement at small forward, and his signing would have pushed us into contention for winning the Eastern Conference.

That would have given us Horford-Millsap-Teague-Korver-Deng, 5 guys who can score 15-20 points on any given night. Deng is definitely a step above Carroll.

Pau Gasol - I don't think we had any real chance there. That was a waste of time and a fool's errand.

But we can hold onto our cap space and if the Knicks start out slow and then go into tear up the roster mode, we can trade for Andrea Bargnani, who could help spread the floor from the center position.
I'd rather have...

Teague
Thabo
Korver
Millsap
Horford

Thabo is not a better player than Deng, but he's a better fit. Korver is not a SG, at least not on D. Granted, he will hurt you on D anywhere, but Thabo is a better defender than Deng, or at least comparable, and can hit the corner 3 better. So now what I've done to improve your starting 5 is add more shooting while keeping the D similar.

Horford, Teague and Thabo anchor the D while Millsap and Korver are more specialists. Very, very good specialists. I see Atlanta being a top 4 regular season team.

[kshutts1]

Just did some research on Deng's new contract. He's not worth 10m a year. Only two years, which is nice, but he's not worth that. He's a plus on D, but a neutral on O. For a player that can't create his shot, he doesn't have enough range to be incredibly useful.

[hawkfan]

I'd rather have...

Teague
Thabo
Korver
Millsap
Horford

Thabo is not a better player than Deng, but he's a better fit. Korver is not a SG, at least not on D. Granted, he will hurt you on D anywhere, but Thabo is a better defender than Deng, or at least comparable, and can hit the corner 3 better. So now what I've done to improve your starting 5 is add more shooting while keeping the D similar.

Horford, Teague and Thabo anchor the D while Millsap and Korver are more specialists. Very, very good specialists. I see Atlanta being a top 4 regular season team.

We had enough cap space to sign Deng after we signed Sefolosha. Could have had both.

Could have had Deng, Sefolosha, Carroll, Korver, Patterson, Jenkins at the wings. Very solid group.

[kshutts1]

We had enough cap space to sign Deng after we signed Sefolosha. Could have had both.

Could have had Deng, Sefolosha, Carroll, Korver, Patterson, Jenkins at the wings. Very solid group.
Didn't know that. That would be a solid group. However, I maintain that Deng is not worth 10m.

How do you feel about Marion? Do you still have cap space?

[hawkfan]

Didn't know that. That would be a solid group. However, I maintain that Deng is not worth 10m.

How do you feel about Marion? Do you still have cap space?

We have 9.5 million in cap space and 3 million in cap holds.
Marion on a one year deal for say $4 million would be a good pickup.

Doubt he will come here though - the Rockets have a lot of cap space by trading away Lin and Asik and not re-signing Parsons. Marion would be a good fit there next to Ariza and Howard in the front court. They can offer him more money and the chance to play with two superstars.

I could see the Rockets trading for Brandon Bass and Joel Anthony from the Celtics, both expirers, and then signing Marion as a free agent.

[hawkfan]

Just did some research on Deng's new contract. He's not worth 10m a year. Only two years, which is nice, but he's not worth that. He's a plus on D, but a neutral on O. For a player that can't create his shot, he doesn't have enough range to be incredibly useful.

He's definitely on the decline of his career, but he is still a better offensive player than Carroll, who is better suited to be a defensive specialist off the bench.

[kshutts1]

We have 9.5 million in cap space and 3 million in cap holds.
Marion on a one year deal for say $4 million would be a good pickup.

Doubt he will come here though - the Rockets have a lot of cap space by trading away Lin and Asik and not re-signing Parsons. Marion would be a good fit there next to Ariza and Howard in the front court. They can offer him more money and the chance to play with two superstars.

I could see the Rockets trading for Brandon Bass and Joel Anthony from the Celtics, both expirers, and then signing Marion as a free agent.
I'd definitely offer Marion 7-8 for two years. Have to renounce the holds, of course.

And I forgot you guys got Bazemore, too. Honestly,that's a good offseason.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I'd definitely offer Marion 7-8 for two years. Have to renounce the holds, of course.

And I forgot you guys got Bazemore, too. Honestly,that's a good offseason.

If we could get Marion it would be better. We just had a chance witha good offseason to be the third best team in the East, and we didn't really do anything. I'm not stoked about Payne either, but we'll see how that turns out.

Holding onto your flexibility is great and all, and I agree that it wouldn't have been smart to overpay for somebody like Hayward or Parsons, but you've got to be proactive. Ferry always alluded to some master plan of his, I expected some trades or big splashes this offseason. We'll still be pretty good next season, but you know we're not getting any big time FA's and we're not bad enough to get a good pick in the draft, so how do we take the next step?