am i the only one that thinks the cavs would be dumb to trade for love

[i cant dunk]

Cleveland has been shit for so long, they finally accumulate enough talent to eventually develop into a contender down the line. then Lebron comes in and wants to trade away a couple of number 1 draft picks for Love. He knew what he was signing into and should be contempt with that roster anyways. If he sticks around for 5 years there could be a couple of titles swinging there way

the Cavs can very easily get burned on this deal if Lebron and Love decide to split after this year if they don't win the chip. Then cleveland is back to being shit.

If I'm the GM i would think were a pretty good team now, and were only going to get better. Instead of lets win it this now but we can potentially be the worst team again 2-3 years from now.

imagine the trade happens and they both split after 2 years. If i was a Cavs fan I'd go nuts. keep Wiggins, keep bennett and who knows with lebron there's still a chance of making a finals appearance this year. would be good experience for those young guys aswell.

[J Shuttlesworth]

If I told you that you could have a rookie who could become a superstar, or a 25 yr old guy who puts up 26/12 right now, which would you pick?

[lilgodfather1]

If I told you that you could have a rookie who could become a superstar, or a 25 yr old guy who puts up 26/12 right now, which would you pick?
Love, at absolute best will put up 18/10 on the Cavs. 3rd option, and tons of rebounding already on roster.

[NattyPButter]

Lebron likes to fawk with rosters. Look how he got the Heat Shabazz Napier then bailed on them. He doesn't need to be messing with the roster and screwing up team morale and chemistry.

[NattyPButter]

Love, at absolute best will put up 18/10 on the Cavs. 3rd option, and tons of rebounding already on roster.

his scoring could be lower then that with Lebron, Kyrie, and Dion on the team.

[russwest0]

If I told you that you could have a rookie who could become a superstar, or a 25 yr old guy who puts up 26/12 right now, which would you pick?

Love ain't putting up 26/12 on that team.

And you can't just pick two stats like that to try and sell his impact.

He's a significantly bad defender. Even if it's because of his horrible length, he still is nonetheless. And defense is half the battle.

A team of Kyrie/Dion/LeBron/Love/Varejao

is starting guys who are all below average defensively. I just don't see how that team is going to win the championship.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Love, at absolute best will put up 18/10 on the Cavs. 3rd option, and tons of rebounding already on roster.
3rd option? :roll: Come on man.

If 18/10 is the third option, that is a massive upgrade over Bosh. Love will likely put up 20/10. LeBron will set him up for 3's all day.

Either way, what makes you think Wiggins, an unproven rookie, could put up numbers as good as 18/10?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Love ain't putting up 26/12 on that team.

And you can't just pick two stats like that to try and sell his impact.

He's a significantly bad defender. Even if it's because of his horrible length, he still is nonetheless. And defense is half the battle.

A team of Kyrie/Dion/LeBron/Love/Varejao

is starting guys who are all below average defensively. I just don't see how that team is going to win the championship.
Fair point, but w/o Love, you have the same problem LeBron had in Miami. Rebounding. That team would get pounded on the boards w/ Varejao as the only big man. Love is the type of guy who can carry the offensive load w/ LeBron sitting out... Plus, they're in the East. You hardly have to defend these scrubs. Love only needs to play defense for 1 series a year.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Only people who are obsessed with numbers and don't know how to build a basketball team would want Love on this squad.

[russwest0]

Fair point, but w/o Love, you have the same problem LeBron had in Miami. Rebounding. That team would get pounded on the boards w/ Varejao as the only big man. Love is the type of guy who can carry the offensive load w/ LeBron sitting out... Plus, they're in the East. You hardly have to defend these scrubs. Love only needs to play defense for 1 series a year.

Eh, you're thinking about someone to help LeBron carry the offensive load and I see Kyrie, Waiters, Wiggins, Varejao, and Tristan as good enough and am over here wondering who's gonna help him carry the defensive load.

Wiggins has the tools to be an impact defensive player right away in the NBA. He'll make a big impact in their fast break game to (along with LeBron) help make them one of the best transition teams in the league.

And yeah they are in the East but thats no reason to just ignore certain aspects of team building that are almost a necessity to win a championship.

One of Tristan Thompson's strengths is rebounding and the same is definitely true for Varejao. I don't see how a LeBron/Thompson/Varejao frontcourt is going to get pounded on the boards.

I do however see their team with Love getting BTFO in the Finals vs the Spurs or Thunder because they simply can't defend them.

[i cant dunk]

If I told you that you could have a rookie who could become a superstar, or a 25 yr old guy who puts up 26/12 right now, which would you pick?

if love signs for 4+ years maybe, depends on how much is going to go out. i assume its going to be wiggins plus some.

I think Love is a great player, but he's not worth sacrificing a future for one or 2 chances at a tittle.

I'm a lakers fan, we threw all our chips at dwight and signed nash to a large deal in assumption to start another little run for a couple of years, that sure as hell flopped and now were going to be a lottery team for a very long time. its going to suck since we got very little talent to tap.

all I'm saying this could end up being a huuuge mistake for the cavs. it could be great though, is it worth the risk?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Eh, you're thinking about someone to help LeBron carry the offensive load and I see Kyrie, Waiters, Wiggins, Varejao, and Tristan as good enough and am over here wondering who's gonna help him carry the defensive load.

Wiggins has the tools to be an impact defensive player right away in the NBA. He'll make a big impact in their fast break game to (along with LeBron) help make them one of the best transition teams in the league.

And yeah they are in the East but thats no reason to just ignore certain aspects of team building that are almost a necessity to win a championship.

One of Tristan Thompson's strengths is rebounding and the same is definitely true for Varejao. I don't see how a LeBron/Thompson/Varejao frontcourt is going to get pounded on the boards.
Wiggins body is hardly even NBA ready to really be a big defensive force. I think he'll be a force in 2-3 years, but right out of the gate? Not a chance.

Don't forget LeBron is all about spreading the floor with shooters so he can take it to the paint. Bosh was almost an ideal fit for that... Kevin Love is THE ideal fit for that. He can shoot 3's at a much better rate than Bosh, and it's a huge part of his game that he's comfortable with. Bosh was always too soft to get big rebounds. I see KLove as a better rebounding/shooting version of Bosh but with worse defense.

Plus Blatt can use a guy like Varejao to cover bigs like Duncan opposed to on the Heat where Bosh was constantly playing center and getting pounced.

[J Shuttlesworth]

if love signs for 4+ years maybe, depends on how much is going to go out. i assume its going to be wiggins plus some.

I think Love is a great player, but he's not worth sacrificing a future for one or 2 chances at a tittle.

I'm a lakers fan, we threw all our chips at dwight and signed nash to a large deal in assumption to start another little run for a couple of years, that sure as hell flopped and now were going to be a lottery team for a very long time. its going to suck since we got very little talent to tap.

all I'm saying this could end up being a huuuge mistake for the cavs. it could be great though, is it worth the risk?
It could end up being a huge mistake, but what if Wiggins ends up being a bust? Then we'll be looking back at this and calling the Cavs idiots for not trading for Love. I personally would go with the proven talent over a gamble.

The problem is that LeBron is still in his prime, and these are the years you need to take advantage of to win chips with him. Wiggins likely won't develop into the star he should be for at least 2-3 years. IMO, Love makes the Cavs favorite in the East, whereas Wiggins would make the Cavs 2nd or 3rd favorite in the East.

[russwest0]

I get what you are saying, LeBron needs the floor spacing as well. But they did just add Mike Miller and James Jones.

Also lol @ looking at their 2nd unit. Even all of the guys on their bench are pretty bad defensively

[J Shuttlesworth]

I get what you are saying, LeBron needs the floor spacing as well. But they did just add Mike Miller and James Jones.

Also lol @ looking at their 2nd unit. Even all of the guys on their bench are pretty bad defensively
See but Wiggins alone isn't going to turn this into a defensive beast of a team. You can't put all the pressure on a rookie to make a poor defensive team into a good one. It just doesn't work like that

Who knows about Blatt? I think a big part of defense is the coaching. Cavs could be a different story with a defensive minded coach. Love has been playing under Aelman

[i cant dunk]

It could end up being a huge mistake, but what if Wiggins ends up being a bust? Then we'll be looking back at this and calling the Cavs idiots for not trading for Love. I personally would go with the proven talent over a gamble.

The problem is that LeBron is still in his prime, and these are the years you need to take advantage of to win chips with him. Wiggins likely won't develop into the star he should be for at least 2-3 years. IMO, Love makes the Cavs favorite in the East, whereas Wiggins would make the Cavs 2nd or 3rd favorite in the East.

Fair enough
i just think it would be devastating to see cleveland back to square 1 in 2 years with no prospects. how often does a team get first overall picks let alone throw them at other teams.

[04mzwach]

It's tough to imagine that the Cavs are pursuing Love and not knowing he would commit long term. I think they know he will commit.

[GimmeThat]

It's tough to imagine that the Cavs are pursuing Love and not knowing he would commit long term. I think they know he will commit.


I don't know if you hand Lebron a contact, if being afraid of committment is a concern of yours.

[cltcfn2924]

If I told you that you could have a rookie who could become a superstar, or a 25 yr old guy who puts up 26/12 right now, which would you pick?



If they keep Wiggins they have 16M cap space, if they trade for Love they have 6. Love plays zero defense. It's a no brainer, keep the prodigy and the cap space or you will have last years Miami squad part deux. Then of course Lewail will say he has no help. He's becoming bad for the game.