I am on my 3rd beer and listening to Nirvana....

[9erempiree]

GOAT band.

[russwest0]

Oh man. I have heard literally every Nirvana song like 50+ times each. They don't have a bad song.

Agreed, they are the GOAT band.

[9erempiree]

Oh man. I have heard literally every Nirvana song like 50+ times each. They don't have a bad song.

Agreed, they are the GOAT band.

I am randomly clicking on videos and singing along.

No bad songs at all.

[Nowitness]

I can see why you both have such bad reputation.

In Utero is one of the great albums, but Nevermind ranks next to albums made by the likes of Green Day as albums that are simply commercial music disguised because it is harder than the usual mainstream stuff. No wonder why Kurt killed himself with fools like you praising it, glad he decided to rebel against the teen hipsters by making In Utero.

[9erempiree]

They can't be the GOAT band. Not enough longevity.

3 albums in a 4 year span with some unreleased material, is good enough for me. At their going rate they would have been better than the Beatles. The only concern is if they can evolve their music.

Dave Grohl became someone and he was part of the band. We also knew that Cobain was sick as hell with vocals.

[russwest0]

I can see why you both have such bad reputation.

In Utero is one of the great albums, but Nevermind ranks next to albums made by the likes of Green Day as albums that are simply commercial music disguised because it is harder than the usual mainstream stuff. No wonder why Kurt killed himself with fools like you praising it, glad he decided to rebel against the teen hipsters by making In Utero.

lol sorry you are the one being hipster here by shitting on nevermind.

agreed that in utero was his best work but just because nevermind was popular doesn't mean it was shit. so much great music became noticed and spawned because of nevermind.

you can listen to every nirvana album all the way through and enjoy every song. nevermind is no exception. they are just the GOAT band.

[russwest0]

3 albums in a 4 year span with some unreleased material, is good enough for me. At their going rate they would have been better than the Beatles. The only concern is if they can evolve their music.

Dave Grohl became someone and he was part of the band. We also knew that Cobain was sick as hell with vocals.

they were constantly evolving.

they had a demo before Kurt died where Dave played guitar and sang and I think Kurt played drums

it sounded good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEsOww93NM0

Dave started to open up about songs that he had wrote, and he was so humbled and shy he would have hung around as long as they were all alive.

He said they were going to work on two songs he wrote that ended up becoming foo fighter songs. Exhausted and Alone/Easy Target. Both great songs.

[9erempiree]

I can see why you both have such bad reputation.

In Utero is one of the great albums, but Nevermind ranks next to albums made by the likes of Green Day as albums that are simply commercial music disguised because it is harder than the usual mainstream stuff. No wonder why Kurt killed himself with fools like you praising it, glad he decided to rebel against the teen hipsters by making In Utero.

Go listen to the Bleach album. Nothing has changed from Bleach to In Utero, except he covered a couple of songs on In Utero.

[Dragic4Life]

Overrated.

[9erempiree]

lol sorry you are the one being hipster here by shitting on nevermind.

agreed that in utero was his best work but just because nevermind was popular doesn't mean it was shit. so much great music became noticed and spawned because of nevermind.

you can listen to every nirvana album all the way through and enjoy every song. nevermind is no exception. they are just the GOAT band.

Nevermind is the greatest album in my lifetime besides 2pac All Eyez on Me.

Nirivana was great. I don't get why people hating on them.

[Nowitness]

Nevermind is the greatest album in my lifetime besides 2pac All Eyez on Me.

Nirivana was great. I don't get why people hating on them.

Wow, really?

Bleach is also very, very good (difference is Grohl, Kurt wrote better songs and overall IU is more cohesive).

I'm not hating, I consider In Utero to be one of the 25/30 greatest albums ever, just not Nevermind.

[masonanddixon]

Steely Dan is the GOAT

[9erempiree]

Nothing special. There are moments sure (Lithium, Come As You Are, Polly) but overall it isn't that great (I still have it on iTunes, but the fact that Rolling Stone have it like 17th on the greatest albums because it was popular is absurd. Top 100 of the 90s? Sure; something that cements them as the 'GOAT Band'? No. There not.

Krist is an average bass player, Kurt was an average guitar player (amazing song writer) Grohl was the best musician in the band and they don't have enough material.

Nothing special? ....and you mentioned Come As You Are, which is a masterpiece. Impeccable track. Nirvana's distinctive style and the instrumentals just flowed.

[Nowitness]

There are loads of albums from the 90s that can compare. Downward Spiral (NIN), Blood Sugar Sex Magik (RHCP), In The Aeroplane Over The Sea (Neutral Milk Hotel) are just a few 'popular' examples overlooked.

[dr.hee]

Nothing special. There are moments sure (Lithium, Come As You Are, Polly) but overall it isn't that great (I still have it on iTunes, but the fact that Rolling Stone have it like 17th on the greatest albums because it was popular is absurd. Top 100 of the 90s? Sure; something that cements them as the 'GOAT Band'? No. There not.

Krist is an average bass player, Kurt was an average guitar player (amazing song writer) Grohl was the best musician in the band and they don't have enough material.

:applause:

You're being very generous calling Cobain an average guitar player. I can see why people like his songwriting (though it's not my musical taste at all), but in terms of playing ability, he was totally useless. Just utter crap. Can't say anything against his writing, that's just a matter of preference. But as a guitarist, dude just sucked.

[9erempiree]

There are loads of albums from the 90s that can compare. Downward Spiral (NIN), Blood Sugar Sex Magik (RHCP), In The Aeroplane Over The Sea (Neutral Milk Hotel) are just a few 'popular' examples overlooked.

Those are great albums too but they are nothing compared to Nirvana and I love Blood Sugar Sex Magik too.

Under The Bridge is flawless.

[Nowitness]

Nothing special? ....and you mentioned Come As You Are, which is a masterpiece. Impeccable track. Nirvana's distinctive style and the instrumentals just flowed.

You really think that track is a masterpiece? It is good, but what stands out. Simply saying it is Nirvana's distinct style isn't enough. The solo is nothing to write home about, the soft/loud dynamic isn't as prevalent like it is on many of the tracks from IU, the lyrics are really good, the drums aren't as heavy as their sound is characterized as.

However, the feel of the song from the opening bass line is insane.

[9erempiree]

Plateau is just sick. Listen to the vocals and how the instrumentals' timing is perfect. This band is on point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrpiM2oKTLI

The unplugged event showcased their talent.

[Nowitness]

Plateau is just sick. Listen to the vocals and how the instrumentals' timing is perfect. This band is on point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrpiM2oKTLI

The unplugged event showcased their talent.

Great vocals. The rest screams average. In terms of acoustic songs from hard rock bands listen to something like Mosquito Song from QOTSA.

[9erempiree]

Great vocals. The rest screams average. In terms of acoustic songs from hard rock bands listen to something like Mosquito Song from QOTSA.

I hate to bring up the MTV Unplugged because I feel like it is a little too mainstream but the fact of the matter is, that event really showcased their skill as a band.

It also comes as no surprise that the event was turned into an album.

[ImKobe]

just make sure you don't off yourself with a shotgun

[russwest0]

:applause:

You're being very generous calling Cobain an average guitar player. I can see why people like his songwriting (though it's not my musical taste at all), but in terms of playing ability, he was totally useless. Just utter crap. Can't say anything against his writing, that's just a matter of preference. But as a guitarist, dude just sucked.

Lol I'd like to see an average guitarist hold the guitar down like he did while singing a completely offbeat rhythm, and while being on multiple drugs.

People care way too much about what they suspect the skill level of a frontman is. I understand if a band has no skill and writes shit music like Nickelback or something like that, but if the music is good then whats the problem? :confusedshrug:

Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of dweebs who have a better understanding of the major scale and music literature than Cobain did but they can't hold a candle to Cobain as a songwriter so who cares? Thats why it's a hobby for them and why it made him into a multi-millionaire.

That and also the risk that he and the other band members took in committing to being musicians. I've read that they used to practice in a barn for like 5-6 hours straight every day right before they released Nevermind.

[9erempiree]

Lol I'd like to see an average guitarist hold the guitar down like he did while singing a completely offbeat rhythm, and while being on multiple drugs.

People care way too much about what they suspect the skill level of a frontman is. I understand if a band has no skill and writes shit music like Nickelback or something like that, but if the music is good then whats the problem? :confusedshrug:

Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of dweebs who have a better understanding of the major scale and music literature than Cobain did but they can't hold a candle to Cobain as a songwriter so who cares? Thats why it's a hobby for them and why it made him into a multi-millionaire.

That and also the risk that he and the other band members took in committing to being musicians. I've read that they used to practice in a barn for like 5-6 hours straight every day right before they released Nevermind.

I am going to agree and there is no flaw in your evaluation. Nobody is arguing that Kurt was some amazing guitarist. What he does with the guitar was fantastic, since most people say he wasn't good. For a low and poor guitarist, like most people have mentioned, he did alright and probably have done more than any. Lets not act like he was some low level player. He wasn't Hendrix but nobody was.

[Trollsmasher]

worst of the Seattle Big 4:lol

[Angel Face]

:applause:

My #2 Favorite band of all time. Their music would shit on 100% of pop crap music today.

[Nowitness]

Lol I'd like to see an average guitarist hold the guitar down like he did while singing a completely offbeat rhythm, and while being on multiple drugs.

People care way too much about what they suspect the skill level of a frontman is. I understand if a band has no skill and writes shit music like Nickelback or something like that, but if the music is good then whats the problem? :confusedshrug:

Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of dweebs who have a better understanding of the major scale and music literature than Cobain did but they can't hold a candle to Cobain as a songwriter so who cares? Thats why it's a hobby for them and why it made him into a multi-millionaire.

That and also the risk that he and the other band members took in committing to being musicians. I've read that they used to practice in a barn for like 5-6 hours straight every day right before they released Nevermind.

You ever listened to Queens of the Stone Age? Hear their latest album, lyrics are some of the best I have ever heard whilst Josh Homme can also play complex riffs, multiple instruments and look cool doing it. So clearly others can (Lou Reed also).

[fiddy]

3 bottles of pisswasser=1 european beer?

[DukeDelonte13]

:applause:

My #2 Favorite band of all time. Their music would shit on 100% of pop crap music today.

their shit was pop music in a sense. Think of how much MTV time they got compared to their contemporaries even within their own genre. Grunge + Nirvana became a trendy thing, which is ironic because they supposedly had this anti establishment image.

they are a good band, but they aren't the transcendent demigods people make them out to be. I think they are quite overrated.

[GimmeThat]

how much does concert performances versus recording count in terms of the hall of fame.

is a tour pretty much considered as stat padding?

[Nowitness]

their shit was pop music in a sense. Think of how much MTV time they got compared to their contemporaries even within their own genre. Grunge + Nirvana became a trendy thing, which is ironic because they supposedly had this anti establishment image.

they are a good band, but they aren't the transcendent demigods people make them out to be. I think they are quite overrated.

Nevermind was.

In Utero is in no sense pop/mainstream and easily their best work.

[DukeDelonte13]

Nevermind was.

In Utero is in no sense pop/mainstream and easily their best work.


i don't know how you can really say that...

I like them both for different reasons, i thought Nevermind was way more raw though :confusedshrug:

[Nowitness]

i don't know how you can really say that...

I like them both for different reasons, i thought Nevermind was way more raw though :confusedshrug:

Themes, grittier sound produced by Albini, harder overall. Literally one song from that album was played constantly which was Heart Shaped Box which was really about Courtney Love's puss.

Nevermind is pretty much teen angst. They wanted to disparage their mainstream status (which I personally consider a mind set more than a sound) with In Utero.

[andgar923]

Great band and one of my all time favs. I still remember Kurt's death very vividly. Their impact helped change an entire culture, shit society as a whole changed.

But not the GOAT band.

[T_L_P]

Wow, really?

Bleach is also very, very good (difference is Grohl, Kurt wrote better songs and overall IU is more cohesive).

I'm not hating, I consider In Utero to be one of the 25/30 greatest albums ever, just not Nevermind.

Where does Blonde On Blonde rank, m8?

[Nowitness]

Where does Blonde On Blonde rank, m8?

Near the bottom. Dylan's best work came 50 year later. TBH Chuck Berry has better lyrics than anything on Blonde on Blonde.

[Nowitness]

Blasphemy, dude. Dylan is the GOAT songwriter, and he paved the way for guys like Kurt Cobain.

Don't disrespect a legend. You wanna get slapped up?

If you mean he paved the way for average guitarists who could write songs with unique voices then I will agree.

But lettuce be real, James Hetfield of Metallica is better than Dylan. Give me this man over Dylan in both writing and musicianship anyday;

http://factmag-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/josh_homme_smoking-4.16.2013.jph_.jpg

[T_L_P]

If you mean he paved the way for average guitarists who could write songs with unique voices then I will agree.

But lettuce be real, James Hetfield of Metallica is better than Dylan. Give me this man over Dylan in both writing and musicianship anyday;

http://factmag-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/josh_homme_smoking-4.16.2013.jph_.jpg

Never heard of this guy. Irrelevant.

Dylan is the GOAT. Tell me when Cobain or Berry write something like It's Alright, Ma. :cheers:

[Nowitness]

Never heard of this guy. Irrelevant.

Dylan is the GOAT. Tell me when Cobain or Berry write something like It's Alright, Ma. :cheers:

:facepalm

C'mon son, it's Josh Homme of QOTSA.

But I will. If you give me your number I would tell you about Carol or Heart Shaped Box and how they trump Bob *****,

[boozehound]

I would have agreed with you as a 13 year old coming out of the end of the 80s. But if you really think they are the GOAT (of course there is no such thing) you need to expand your musical horizons.

[dr.hee]

I would have agreed with you as a 13 year old coming out of the end of the 80s. But if you really think they are the GOAT (of course there is no such thing) you need to expand your musical horizons.

This :applause:

[Bless Mathews]

Op is realizing Seattles dominance

[Akrazotile]

I feel ya OP, altho for me it usually takes 4-5 beers for Nirvana to start sounding good. But hey, no shame in being a lightweight.

[KevinNYC]

Saw this show in 1993

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jU8fV4QCI

[32jazz]

their shit was pop music in a sense. I think they are quite overrated.

I agree with you.

I would like to know when Rock music(sex ,drugs,groupies,etc ...) rose above popular music & became High Art? Rock music IS Popular music .


As a Jazz fan I don't think I hear the same level of music snobbery that
I hear from 'Rock' fans who somehow believe they are on par with Classical musical something.

Jazz is pop music & the most sophisticated music this country has ever produced, but other forms are just more popular.



When Rock music was all over the music charts/radio it was an indication of its 'bad ass ness" , but when it's close to becoming irrelevant on the charts(outside of old catalogue) the Charts don't matter.


I almost revel in Rock music's decline /slow death because if this pretentious & highly misguided attitude.

[Oly BC]

I can see why you both have such bad reputation.

In Utero is one of the great albums, but Nevermind ranks next to albums made by the likes of Green Day as albums that are simply commercial music disguised because it is harder than the usual mainstream stuff. No wonder why Kurt killed himself with fools like you praising it, glad he decided to rebel against the teen hipsters by making In Utero.
What an edgy comment.

Nevermind is an amazing album, In Utero is an amazing album, even their acoustic songs recorded on cassetes sound great.

[Oly BC]

:applause:

You're being very generous calling Cobain an average guitar player. I can see why people like his songwriting (though it's not my musical taste at all), but in terms of playing ability, he was totally useless. Just utter crap. Can't say anything against his writing, that's just a matter of preference. But as a guitarist, dude just sucked.
Talent is overrated, diy punk is where it's at.:bowdown:


Of course Nirvana were major label corporate rock sellouts but still...

[stalkerforlife]

Kurt Cobain is missed.

Anyone think Love had him killed? I read a story that had HER private investigator claiming she had it done.

[Norcaliblunt]

I dig Nirvana a lot. Dudes voice is one of those voices you can feel. Lyrics are weird. Overall sound is pop punk seventies classic garage rock. Straight up Gen X. They needed at least one more classic album though. They are one of my favorite mainstream kinda bands from the 90's. Along with Smashing Pumpkins and Sublime.

[Oly BC]

Kurt Cobain is missed.

Anyone think Love had him killed? I read a story that had HER private investigator claiming she had it done.
Why try to kill a suicidal man with a heroin addiction? You're in a hurry?

[stalkerforlife]

Why try to kill a suicidal man with a heroin addiction? You're in a hurry?

Money? Freedom?

[NumberSix]

Nevermind was.

In Utero is in no sense pop/mainstream and easily their best work.
I wouldd agree. People overrate the shit out of nevermind just because it had huge sales. It's like the equivalent of rings counting. Sales counting. The entire b-side of nevermind isn't even listenable except for the last song. Teen Spirit is like, the original emo song as far as I'm concerned. That an album that hordes of middle class teens bought, so it had HUGE sales, but just because it sold a lot doesn't mean it's some exceptional album or something.

[Nowitness]

I wouldd agree. People overrate the shit out of nevermind just because it had huge sales. It's like the equivalent of rings counting. Sales counting. The entire b-side of nevermind isn't even listenable except for the last song. Teen Spirit is like, the original emo song as far as I'm concerned. That an album that hordes of middle class teens bought, so it had HUGE sales, but just because it sold a lot doesn't mean it's some exceptional album or something.

Exactly. In Utero is incredible, listenable all the way through, heavy, distorted, twisted at times. You really hear the trademark soft/loud dynamic.

I also don't know whether this dude is Godly and insane for being able to do this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBLkCZveSs8

[CNNonceAgain]

Nirvana sucked, that's why Cobain blew his brains out.



Bleach wasn't too bad though.