How good is Lebron really?

[UK2K]

Simple question.

I don't know where this argument for GOAT came from, but just looking at his accolades and accomplishments, he's not that much more decorated than other HOFs.

So the dude won some MVPs? Nash did that.

How good is he really? Say he doesn't win another title, then is he just another guy?

[stalkerforlife]

Top 20 all time.

[Warfan]

Holy shit :roll:

Stop posting, you fukcing moron.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/lebroning/LeBroning-8.jpg

[pauk]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/giveup.gif

[Dragic4Life]

Top 3 player of all time.

MJ
Russell
Lebron
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kareem
Wilt
Hakeem

This is THE DEFINITIVE GOAT list when Lebron retires.

[JohnMax]

Lebron is not a great leader and does not have the guts to close out a game.

[hahaitme]

I know you're from Indiana and all, but did you really just compare lebron to nash?
:roll:

[SexSymbol]

top 12-15 range.
Not something to be ashamed of

[Dragic4Life]

top 12-15 range.
Not something to be ashamed of
We talking about Lebron, not Kobe.

[navy]

Simple question.

I don't know where this argument for GOAT came from, but just looking at his accolades and accomplishments, he's not that much more decorated than other HOFs.

So the dude won some MVPs? Nash did that.

How good is he really? Say he doesn't win another title, then is he just another guy?
:biggums:

[pauk]

top 12-15 range.
Not something to be ashamed of

I know these troll threads cause a chain reaction of other trolls posting in it.... but damn, sometimes i dont even know if some of you are serious or not.... if serious, would find it very interesting to see which 2-5 players are keeping Lebron out of your top 10...

[UK2K]

Top 3 player of all time.

MJ
Russell
Lebron
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kareem
Wilt
Hakeem

This is THE DEFINITIVE GOAT list when Lebron retires.
Lebron has no competition when it comes to his MVPs other than Durant who only won it because Westbrook was out.

Other than those two, who could be the MVP? Melo?

One season of Rose playing well? Steve Nash? Neither of them deserved it but won somehow.

Point being who is Lebrons real competition?

[moe94]

Maybe top 30. Maybe.

[JohnFreeman]

top 10

[GODbe]

He firmly stands at #45 all time. He just isn't that good imho.

[UK2K]

For the record I think Lebron is by far the best player in the game today, but hypothetically if he doesn't win another title, where does he go down? A top 3 player with 2 rings?

[moe94]

For the record I think Lebron is by far the best player in the game today, but hypothetically if he doesn't win another title, where does he go down? A top 3 player with 2 rings?

By far? Durant is right there with him.

[UK2K]

I know these troll threads cause a chain reaction of other trolls posting in it.... but damn, sometimes i dont even know if some of you are serious or not.... if serious, would find it very interesting to see which 2-5 players are keeping Lebron out of your top 10...

Most insecure board ever.

I didn't say Lebron was garb, I just asked how good he really is.

He's going into his 12th season. Say he wins another MVP and another ring. 5 MVPs and 3 titles, how far does that get you? That would put Lebron in line with MJ and Russell, but where Lebron would have 3 titles, MJ has 6 and Russell would have 11 (kinda cheap but whatever).

Purely from an accolades stand point...

[Dragic4Life]

Hey UK2K check out my thread: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348206

[SexSymbol]

I know these troll threads cause a chain reaction of other trolls posting in it.... but damn, sometimes i dont even know if some of you are serious or not.... if serious, would find it very interesting to see which 2-5 players are keeping Lebron out of your top 10...
DR.J Moses Hondo Mikan Pettit

[Dragic4Life]

DR.J Moses Hondo Mikan Pettit
http://i.imgur.com/jxUF01M.gif

[UK2K]

Hey UK2K check out my thread: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348206
I think Lebron is the better player but Kobe has had the better career.

[pastis]

his whole career in the weak ec and super stacked teams for his rings. now just left the heat for a more talented cavaliers team, but signed just for 2 years (last year player option), either for opting out an renegotiating a better max contract (lol) or leaving the cavs for another team with even more talent.

he right now in the 25-35 range:applause:

[GimmeThat]

He could be a really good passer even without being a good scorer
He could be the most efficient player on a stacked team
He helps you eat up the shot clock on the defensive end against opposing teams

As for the Lebron Nash comparison

Nash can probably play with second unit players and put up enough points so the game remains close to the end.
Lebron playing with the second unit players won't mean much unless he builds enough lead, because his playing style doesn't help create spacing for players to operate.

You put Nash with players who are elite players, and either they have to be great shooters in order to disguise their need for shot attempts per game, since once a player starts having iso plays or shot attempts, it disrupts the spacing required for Nash to be affective.

You put LeBron with elite players, and the biggest hit on the role players will be their assist numbers.

[BigBoss]

Top 25. Hes in the 19-21 range

[Dragic4Life]

Top 25. Hes in the 19-21 range
Stop describing Kobe.

[ImKobe]

Behind Hakeem, who's 2 titles were far more impressive.

[ILLsmak]

You can't rate a player while they are still playing. You need context... which doesn't come in the moment. The only players you can rate while they are playing are dudes who either have no shot at being top-10/GOAT or those that are undeniably GOAT. Like if a dude came into the NBA and won 5 straight rings averaging 50 ppg. We'd be like HMM GOAT?

So, with LeBron... you know his resume, but he's coming off a big L. The kind of L no top ten in their prime player should ever take, against a non-all-time-great team. Got FMVP'd by his match up. Super salty. He's a ghost in that his presence isn't taking up an all-time spot ATM, but his ghost has been moved outside of the top ten, to me. With a three peat, he probably could have been solidified.

What does he have? Back to back, one in a lockout year. Two devastating losses... on a super-team he built, now he's trying to (assuming you believe the hype) GM another team. This dude is losing ground.

He's a great talent, but a headcase. It is arguable that he can win without a certain team, as well. I think he's gonna get at least one more ring... which will be in Cleveland, and he thinks that will erase the whole BS of the decision. Maybe it will to some people, but not me... again, we can look back with context on that shit. We can see what is happening and what happened.

Every time he does something that seems to put him closer to where he wants to be, he does some ****ing stupid shit (like going back to Cleveland and trying to get Kevin Love) that is a black mark against "his legacy."

If I had to say where Bron is now I'd say 15-20.

-Smak

[Dragic4Life]

Behind Hakeem, who's 2 titles were far more impressive.
So MJ being goddamn RETIRED means impressive huh? Means no asterisks huh?

:facepalm

[BigBoss]

Stop describing Kobe.

Kobes top 5 ever.

Lebron not so much

[Roundball_Rock]

Point being who is Lebrons real competition?

2009: Kobe, Wade, Howard, Paul.
2010: Durant, Kobe, Howard, Wade.
2012: Durant, Paul, Kobe, Parker.
2013: Durant, Anthony, Paul, Kobe.

So Kobe and Durant. Not too shabby...


He's going into his 12th season. Say he wins another MVP and another ring. 5 MVPs and 3 titles, how far does that get you?

Look at resumes under that scenario:

MVP's: KAJ 6, Russell 5, MJ 5, LeBron 5, Wilt 4, Magic 3, Bird 3, Duncan 2, Kobe 1, Shaq 1, Hakeem 1

Rings: Russell 11, MJ 6, KAJ 6, Magic 5, Kobe 5, Duncan 5, Shaq 4, Bird 3, LeBron 3, Hakeem 2, Wilt 2

He would have to be ahead of Magic, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem, and Kobe under your scenario. He would have a case over Wilt and Russell. So 3rd-5th all-time. 3 rings and 5 MVP's is probably the floor for LeBron...


Behind Hakeem, who's 2 titles were far more impressive.

They were impressive runs but where was Hakeem outside of 1994 and 1995? He missed the playoffs once and lost in the first round eight times. He was dominant from 1993-1995 and great outside of that but people act like he was at his 1993-1995 level for his entire prime. David Robinson and Ewing were considered equal to or better than Hakeem at various points in his prime, especially Robinson.

[Nastradamus]

Lebron is not a great leader and does not have the guts to close out a game.

Lol, the guy who scored 25 straight to close out an ECF game against an elite defensive team can't close out games. Nice. All Lebron does is close out games.

[ImKobe]

So MJ being goddamn RETIRED means impressive huh? Means no asterisks huh?

:facepalm

Bulls were a title contender without MJ in 94, but came short against NY because of some bad calls, that Finals series was a classic and the title was well earned
MJ played in 95, Hakeem swept the same team MJ lost to.


Look at the teams Hakeem beat in the West to get to the Finals. Beat Malone & Stockton(MJ faced them in 97 & 98 Finals), Barkley & KJ(team MJ beat in the Finals the previous year) and the Blazers(that MJ faced in 91 Finals), that's just his 94 Western Conference run to the Finals.

95 he beat the Jazz & the Suns again and then humiliated the MVP David Robinson in the WCF with one of the all-time great individual performances( 35/13/5 with 4.2 bpg on 59%TS) and completely outplayed Shaq in the Finals.

Hakeem humiliated Malone, D-Rob, Ewing & Shaq during the 2 year run, and he was 31-32 yrs old by then. Easily the best big man of the 90s.

Lebron never did that to his competition, he never dominated quite like Hakeem dominated his opposition in 94 & 95.

[aboss4real24]

He's overrated really

still a HOFr tho n a great player


iLL Take KD Over him right now


Scoring wise hes not that special , He's not the offensive player KOBE MELO Or KD Is


And his defense has been trash these last 2 years

[ballin33]

He's top 8 all time and if he wins 2 more rings he'll be top 5 all time. Don't troll guys competition is the same for each era, and you can't argue with 4 mvps.

[inclinerator]

in terms of player production he's up there
career wise around top 10

[Kingwillball]

Bulls were a title contender without MJ in 94, but came short against NY because of some bad calls, that Finals series was a classic and the title was well earned
MJ played in 95, Hakeem swept the same team MJ lost to.


Look at the teams Hakeem beat in the West to get to the Finals. Beat Malone & Stockton(MJ faced them in 97 & 98 Finals), Barkley & KJ(team MJ beat in the Finals the previous year) and the Blazers(that MJ faced in 91 Finals), that's just his 94 Western Conference run to the Finals.

95 he beat the Jazz & the Suns again and then humiliated the MVP David Robinson in the WCF with one of the all-time great individual performances( 35/13/5 with 4.2 bpg on 59%TS) and completely outplayed Shaq in the Finals.

Hakeem humiliated Malone, D-Rob, Ewing & Shaq during the 2 year run, and he was 31-32 yrs old by then. Easily the best big man of the 90s.

Lebron never did that to his competition, he never dominated quite like Hakeem dominated his opposition in 94 & 95.

Lebron never dominated comp ? When besides mavs series has he not dominated or easily been best player in a series.. How about the magic series when he averages 38,8,8 and his team loses in 6 or recently in spurs series when he averages 10 more points plus more rebounds and assists than finals mvp. Right now he is top 10 with plenty of room to crack top 5 still even top 3.

[Kingwillball]

:bowdown:
He's overrated really

still a HOFr tho n a great player


iLL Take KD Over him right now


Scoring wise hes not that special , He's not the offensive player KOBE MELO Or KD Is


And his defense has been trash these last 2 years

U and your pink font go on taking KD..

[stephanieg]

LeBron can dunk real gud. Oh, and chase down blocks! Top 3 chalk tosser.

[Dictator]

Top 12-15

You cant be the goat with 2 titles, especially when you had to create a superteam just to achieve it.

[GimmeThat]

if we are trying to rank him right now as a player who is still playing.

he's top 10.

which, many players who are in the top 5, were probably right around being in the top 10 area by the time they were at his age.

Kobe might be the rarity as he went on to 2-peat at 30 and 31 years old.

[Roundball_Rock]

if we are trying to rank him right now as a player who is still playing.

he's top 10.

which, many players who are in the top 5, were probably right around being in the top 10 area by the time they were at his age.

Kobe might be the rarity as he went on to 2-peat at 30 and 31 years old.

Good points. Hakeem is another one. He won his rings at ages 31 and 32 and his peak was late from 30-32. Heading into 1994 he was probably approximately on par with Ewing and behind Barkley and Malone.

[UK2K]

He's top 8 all time and if he wins 2 more rings he'll be top 5 all time. Don't troll guys competition is the same for each era, and you can't argue with 4 mvps.
That's the only thing I could say that's made him a top 5 player.

But again, his biggest competition was Durant who is a HOF for sure, but other than scoring...

Lebron had old Shaq in his era and Dwight who was never on a team capable of winning the ship.

[Cold soul]

Lebron is in the top dozen or so players ever. He will continue to move up the list I'm sure.

[Lebron23]

Greatest Small Forward of all time. Best perimeter player since Michael Jordan. 4x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 2x NBA All star MVP, 10x NBA All star, 10x All NBA (8x All NBA first team, 2x All NBA second team), 6x All NBA defensive first team in 11 years.

[red1]

top 5 at retirement. accolades aren't there yet but 2nd goat in terms of production

[Legends66NBA7]

I hate the off season.

[kkb_12]

Lebron is one of players who dominated the league for several years, and in company of Russel, Chamberlain, West , KAJ, M.Malone, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, and he can rightfully take any of the spots from 3 to 13 (I do not think he has case over Jordan and Kareem)

[Dragic4Life]

Top 5 all time.

[dc_chilling]

Simple question.

I don't know where this argument for GOAT came from, but just looking at his accolades and accomplishments, he's not that much more decorated than other HOFs.

So the dude won some MVPs? Nash did that.

How good is he really? Say he doesn't win another title, then is he just another guy?

Lol. He has twice as many MVP's as Nash and he isn't even 30 yet.

That's like saying "How good is MJ really? The dude won some rings. Dwyane Wade did that."

To answer the question though, accolades aside, Lebron is as good or better than anyone I have ever seen on a basketball court. Jordan included.

[Dragic4Life]

Lol. He has twice as many MVP's as Nash and he isn't even 30 yet.

That's like saying "How good is MJ really? The dude won some rings. Dwyane Wade did that."

To answer the question though, accolades aside, Lebron is as good or better than anyone I have ever seen on a basketball court. Jordan included.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[RRR3]

LeBron is top 10 pretty easily IMO. He'll finish somewhere around 3-6.

[Dragic4Life]

LeBron is top 10 pretty easily IMO. He'll finish somewhere around 3-6.
:applause:

[LA_Showtime]

Top five, and yet you can't help but think he didn't tap into his massive potential. I know it's crazy saying that, considering how successful he's been, but there are times where LeBron does stuff on the court and you think, "What in God's name are you doing? Play your game. Dominate."

[AnaheimLakers24]

top 15 after 2 real titles. his current asterik titles have him at top 25]

[Hey Yo]

Lebron has no competition when it comes to his MVPs other than Durant who only won it because Westbrook was out.

Other than those two, who could be the MVP? Melo?

One season of Rose playing well? Steve Nash? Neither of them deserved it but won somehow.

Point being who is Lebrons real competition?
You saying that Nash didn't deserve his clearly shows you know nothing about bball.

[JtotheIzzo]

Top 3 player of all time.

MJ
Russell
Lebron
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kareem
Wilt
Hakeem

This is THE DEFINITIVE GOAT list when Lebron retires.

Kareem is top three in ANY list.

[UK2K]

You saying that Nash didn't deserve his clearly shows you know nothing about bball.

Cool one liner. I guess that makes it true?


His stats for the two awards looked like this:

2004-2005: 15.5 points per game, 11.5 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1.0 steala, 3.3 turnovers, 50.2 percent shooting, 43.1 percent from beyond the arc, and 88.7 percent from the free throw line.
2005-2006: 18.8 points per game, 10.5 assists per game, 4.2 rebounds, 0.8 steals, 51.2 percent shooting, 43.9 percent from beyond the arc, and 92.1 percent from the free throw line.

Amazingly he won MVP even though he only won POTM once, while Dirk won it twice, as did Lebron. His own teammate (Amare) won it. It was also Amare who led the league in OWS.

Iverson - 31, 8, 4
Dirk - 22, 9, 3
Shaq - 23, 10, 3
Duncan - 20, 11, 3

Nash - 16, 12, 4

For funsies:

Amare 26, 9, 2
Marion 19, 11, 2 <------- His teammates

Lebron 27, 7, 7
Kobe 28, 6, 5

No, Nash wasn't even the best player on his team in 2004-05. Shhhhh.

[SexSymbol]

top 5 at retirement. accolades aren't there yet but 2nd goat in terms of production
Not even close.
One of the most homerish things to have been said in this forum

[Hey Yo]

Cool one liner. I guess that makes it true?



Amazingly he won MVP even though he only won POTM once, while Dirk won it twice, as did Lebron. His own teammate (Amare) won it. It was also Amare who led the league in OWS.

Iverson - 31, 8, 4
Dirk - 22, 9, 3
Shaq - 23, 10, 3
Duncan - 20, 11, 3

Nash - 16, 12, 4

For funsies:

Amare 26, 9, 2
Marion 19, 11, 2 <------- His teammates

Lebron 27, 7, 7
Kobe 28, 6, 5

No, Nash wasn't even the best player on his team in 2004-05. Shhhhh.
Look at the Suns record the season before he got there then his 1st MVP season with them. Look at it the following year with Amare out the whole season.

He was the reason for both.

[Hey Yo]

James has never played a season or multiple seasons with a:
HOF Coach.
HOF Center
HOF PF.
HOF PG.

Every player who most have in their consensus top 10 have played with at least 2 or 3 who were in their prime and or still putting up respectable all-star stats.

For him to even get mentioned for top 10 shows how great he is.

[JT123]

James has never played a season or multiple seasons with a:
HOF Coach.
HOF Center
HOF PF.
HOF PG.

Every player who most have in their consensus top 10 have played with at least 2 or 3 who were in their prime and or still putting up respectable all-star stats.

For him to even get mentioned for top 10 shows how great he is.
:applause: Lebron has had less help than any top 10 talent EVER! He had prime Wade for one season, and then Wade quickly declined. Since 2012 Wade hasn't even been as good as 96-98 Pippen. And Christina Bosh? :roll: Possibly the most overrated player of our lifetime!

[SYM86]

Lebron can't win shit without teaming up with Prime Super Stars! even Robert Horry chased more rings than his ass.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Lebron can't win shit without teaming up with Prime Super Stars! even Robert Horry chased more rings than his ass.

????

[UK2K]

Look at the Suns record the season before he got there then his 1st MVP season with them. Look at it the following year with Amare out the whole season.

He was the reason for both.
So in the 2004-05 season, was his 4 more assists than Iverson worth more than Iverson scoring almost twice as many points?

You can't tell me you believe he deserved it in 2004...

[Hey Yo]

So in the 2004-05 season, was his 4 more assists than Iverson worth more than Iverson scoring almost twice as many points?

You can't tell me you believe he deserved it in 2004...
What was the Suns record the year before Nash got their?

What was AI's?

Nash's play instantly made PHX a contender.

[UK2K]

What was the Suns record the year before Nash got their?

What was AI's?

Nash's play instantly made PHX a contender.

So its a team award now?

[knicksman]

hes only good during 1st quarters or when his team is down 20+. Hes not a guy you would fear. Hes a typical bully/beta, who acts tough against the weak but nowhere to be found against the tough ones. Best example is against teletovic.

[poido123]

You can't rate a player while they are still playing. You need context... which doesn't come in the moment. The only players you can rate while they are playing are dudes who either have no shot at being top-10/GOAT or those that are undeniably GOAT. Like if a dude came into the NBA and won 5 straight rings averaging 50 ppg. We'd be like HMM GOAT?

So, with LeBron... you know his resume, but he's coming off a big L. The kind of L no top ten in their prime player should ever take, against a non-all-time-great team. Got FMVP'd by his match up. Super salty. He's a ghost in that his presence isn't taking up an all-time spot ATM, but his ghost has been moved outside of the top ten, to me. With a three peat, he probably could have been solidified.

What does he have? Back to back, one in a lockout year. Two devastating losses... on a super-team he built, now he's trying to (assuming you believe the hype) GM another team. This dude is losing ground.

He's a great talent, but a headcase. It is arguable that he can win without a certain team, as well. I think he's gonna get at least one more ring... which will be in Cleveland, and he thinks that will erase the whole BS of the decision. Maybe it will to some people, but not me... again, we can look back with context on that shit. We can see what is happening and what happened.

Every time he does something that seems to put him closer to where he wants to be, he does some ****ing stupid shit (like going back to Cleveland and trying to get Kevin Love) that is a black mark against "his legacy."

If I had to say where Bron is now I'd say 15-20.

-Smak


Accurate post :applause:

The lebron overrating needs to stop. If you had to put him somewhere in the all time lists now, I'd have him 9a and 9b with Hakeem.

I'd give the slight edge to Hakeem because his titles were amazing.

[Dragic4Life]

top 5 at retirement. accolades aren't there yet but 2nd goat in terms of production
I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

[Warfan]

Accurate post :applause:

The lebron overrating needs to stop. If you had to put him somewhere in the all time lists now, I'd have him 9a and 9b with Hakeem.

I'd give the slight edge to Hakeem because his titles were amazing.

So u have him top 10 then. Whereas that guy has him between 15-20 which is fukcing laughable, so no not really that accurate. Especially the part where he says that trying to get kevin love is now a black stain on his legacy :facepalm

[SamuraiSWISH]

- 2nd best player I've ever seen with my own eyes within context. In person, or on television.
- 2nd Best All-Time Game. (Will end top 5 resume)
- 2nd Best Player Ever.
- Best Player of the 2010s.
- Best Player since MJ.
- One of the most versatile defenders I've ever seen.
- Most frightening player athletically I've ever seen.
- Best mix of volume scorer and selfless passer I've ever seen.

[poido123]

So u have him top 10 then. Whereas that guy has him between 15-20 which is fukcing laughable, so no not really that accurate. Especially the part where he says that trying to get kevin love is now a black stain on his legacy :facepalm

Good point. It wasn't 100% accurate but pretty close.

I agree on the Kevin love thing, like how about man up and lead this already talented team to a championship.?

Its not inconceivable to have him at 15-20, based on the argument you would use. Some might think the failures and the stacked teams in weak conferences knock him back behind more successful players who did more with less.

[SexSymbol]

James has never played a season or multiple seasons with a:
HOF Coach.
HOF Center
HOF PF.
HOF PG.

Every player who most have in their consensus top 10 have played with at least 2 or 3 who were in their prime and or still putting up respectable all-star stats.

For him to even get mentioned for top 10 shows how great he is.

Spoelsta is a HOF coach
Bosh is a HOF PF
Wade is 3-4 best SG ever.

[knicksman]

bran is in the same league as robertson, wilt, bird. Theyre overrated because of stats but theyre nowhere near the impact of a shaq, jordan, kobe, magic. And thats because they reduce their teammates stats/impact. Its really the same with cp3 and iverson. Iverson has the better stats but cp3 impacts more.

[ekosky]

Well, he's Top 6 right now to me...

One more championship in cleveland and one more mvp, slides him past Bird, Russell, Duncan, and wilt.

That's how great he is

[SexSymbol]

- 2nd best player I've ever seen with my own eyes within context. In person, or on television.
- 2nd Best All-Time Game. (Will end top 5 resume)
- 2nd Best Player Ever.
- Best Player of the 2010s.
- Best Player since MJ.
- One of the most versatile defenders I've ever seen.
- Most frightening player athletically I've ever seen.
- Best mix of volume scorer and selfless passer I've ever seen.
- 2nd biggest dick ever (behind MJ).
Just because Pippen is huge doesn't mean MJ isn't packing ain't that right swish

[SamuraiSWISH]

- 2nd biggest dick ever (behind MJ).
Just because Pippen is huge doesn't mean MJ isn't packing ain't that right swish
Uhhh ok?

[LeBird]

Top 10 right now, with potential to be a GOAT candidate. If he even gets close though, the media, etc, will anoint him as GOAT.

[Dragic4Life]

Top 10 right now, with potential to be a GOAT candidate. If he even gets close though, the media, etc, will anoint him as GOAT.
Bird fan giving Lebron his prop.

Beautiful.:applause:

[BlkMambaGOAT]

I have him right behind Jabari Parker.

[masonanddixon]

Very good player, I have him at about 7th in the post MJ-era
1.kobe
2. duncan
3. shaq
4. dirk
5. kg
6. wade

[Number24]

Top 3 player of all time.

MJ
Russell
Lebron
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kareem
Wilt
Hakeem

This is THE DEFINITIVE GOAT list when Lebron retires.
I love the conviction-close-to-arrogance air in your definitive GOAT. :applause:

[dubeta]

This is how to view it

If Jordan is good, then lebron is great

Bron's a clear step above the other GOATs

so basically hes the GOAT by far

[diamenz]

This is how to view it

If Jordan is good, then lebron is great

Bron's a clear step above the other GOATs

so basically hes the GOAT by far

you get an 'F' in trolling.

[INDI]

I know these troll threads cause a chain reaction of other trolls posting in it.... but damn, sometimes i dont even know if some of you are serious or not.... if serious, would find it very interesting to see which 2-5 players are keeping Lebron out of your top 10...

Though Bron is in my top ten, let's be honest, you act like it's a slap on the face to compare other potential top 10 players to him. Outside of a few extra mvps, the competition for his spot is strong!

1. Hakeem is possibly the greatest center ever and pound for pound most skilled player ever.

2. Oscar Robertson is a rich man's Lebron in terms of stats. Only man with the triple double season and actually did it 5 times if you round off. Lebron stats is laughable in comparison.

Honorable mentions are Dr J, Moses Malone, J West and Elgin Baylor. You can make a case for anyone of these guys over Bron.

So yes Bron Imo is anywhere from 8-10, but a good three to four other players can have an argument made for them