Serious Question for Music fans

[Nowitness]

Is ...Like Clockwork perhaps the best album of the 2000s and maybe even amongst the greatest ever made?

[andgar923]

Not even their best

[ZeN]

Not even their best
This.

[ZeN]

Idk, but that is a great ****ing album. Something I can listen to front to back.
It ain't double sided punk!

[Derka]

Excellent record but not quite on the level of Songs for the Deaf.

[ZeN]

Lol whateva you get the gist
No I understood it all, just pointing out the erring portion.

[BlazerRed]

no.

[NumberSix]

"A Lil Wayne Christmas" is probably the best album of the last 10 years.

[ZeN]

"A Lil Wayne Christmas" is probably the best album of the last 10 years.
Not sure, if serious.

[robert de niro]

no

[ZeN]

Front to back, as in from the first song to the last without skipping a track......
I like to listen to albums from beginning to end myself.

[outbreak]

"A Lil Wayne Christmas" is probably the best album of the last 10 years.
no way bob dylan's christmas album is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qE6WQmNus

[FKAri]

I feel that 'I sat by the ocean' is my fav song by them.

[Ketchup]

They'll never again get close to matching Songs for the Deaf.

[Nowitness]

It isn't has hard as SFTD, but how can you honestly say this isn't better? (Not favourite, but overall this trumps SFTD).

Lyrically it's a lock, half of SFTD is weak in this regard, ...Like Clockwork is pure genius in this regard.

Album sounds pretty similar all the way through, whereas ...Like Clockwork differentiates. Piano driven tracks, use of 5/6 different instruments, 3 different drummers, collaborations from Elton John to Alex Turner.

Shuman >>> Oliveri

I Appear Missing (studio and extended live) is the best song they've ever made.

The only things SFTD has over it is hardness (which I don't think automatically make it better, sounds evolve) and the fact that it is a concept album. You can skip 10/15 minutes of this, there isn't one bad second on ...Like Clockwork.

[Nowitness]

It ain't double sided punk!

The Vinyl is two sided double LP....................................

[Just2McFly]

Excellent record but not quite on the level of Songs for the Deaf.
This ...

Songs for the deaf is so amazing I've got it in my top five ever

[ZeN]

The Vinyl is two sided double LP....................................
That n*gga don't listen to vinyl

[NumberSix]

That n*gga don't listen to vinyl
Vinyl is useless unless it's 45rpm. Even then, it still has issues.

[ZeN]

Vinyl is useless unless it's 45rpm. Even then, it still has issues.
Why you addressing that to me?

[NumberSix]

Why you addressing that to me?
Why not?

[Nowitness]

Vinyl is useless unless it's 45rpm. Even then, it still has issues.

I have the vinyl. I think it is 180 gram 45rpm. Still haven't listened to it on vinyl but it was like

[ZeN]

It isn't has hard as SFTD, but how can you honestly say this isn't better? (Not favourite, but overall this trumps SFTD).

SFTD is half hard and half not so much. The latter part of the album is filled with songs that have softer melodies and rhythms.




Lyrically it's a lock, half of SFTD is weak in this regard, ...Like Clockwork is pure genius in this regard.


Its a matter of opinion. SFTD has lyrical versatility. It doesnt have the depressive posturing that LCW has. I love Homme but hes never been the best at creating lyrical narratives with layered complexity. SFTD is raw and unapologetic in its content. He benefits from embracing the ambiguity and the lack of desire to be readily understood. In LCW he strives to get his emotions across and it doesnt always hit the intended target.





Album sounds pretty similar all the way through, whereas ...Like Clockwork differentiates. Piano driven tracks, use of 5/6 different instruments, 3 different drummers, collaborations from Elton John to Alex Turner.



I like LCW so I dont want it to sound as if im hating on it. The fact that SFTD sound alike is a positive it speaks of tonal consistency and the reinforcement of a musical narrative. Clockwork differentiates, yet also feels disjointed and without an album direction or general intention. I will say that I did like the those variations and differences.






Shuman >>> Oliveri

Shuman <<< Oliveri




I Appear Missing (studio and extended live) is the best song they've ever made.


Maybe to you.




The only things SFTD has over it is hardness (which I don't think automatically make it better, sounds evolve) and the fact that it is a concept album. You can skip 10/15 minutes of this, there isn't one bad second on ...Like Clockwork.


Great concept albums are difficult to create and they splendidly succeeded. There are many disjointed portions in LCW while SFTD is fluid and consistent. It sounds better as a whole and dispite your claims it isnt just elite hard, its also delightfully melodic in its latter songs. Example of not completely hard is songs like God Is in the Radio, Another Love Song, Mosquito Song. All those songs are as 'soft' as any LCW song but resonate and have vivid imagery. The only song on LCW that resonates that way is If I had a Tail.

[Nowitness]

SFTD is half hard and half not so much. The latter part of the album is filled with songs that have softer melodies and rhythms.

Debatable. There are spots (Mosquito Song for example is an excellent 'soft' song with it's acoustic guitars and horns). I still think over all even with softer melodies SFTD is pretty consistent throughout in its sound.


Its a matter of opinion. SFTD has lyrical versatility. It doesnt have the depressive posturing that LCW has. I love Homme but hes never been the best at creating lyrical narratives with layered complexity. SFTD is raw and unapologetic in its content. He benefits from embracing the ambiguity and the lack of desire to be readily understood. In LCW he strives to get his emotions across and it doesnt always hit the intended target.

You really think it is posturing? I agree one of the things QOTSA have never done well is create cohesive songs lyrically, but Josh still can express his feelings better than most. Whilst SFTD is more raw in this respect I don't think it compares to LCW, especially in terms of lyricism and imagery.

"To be vulnerable, is needed most of all if you intend to truly fall apart."

"I don't know what time it was, I don't wear a watch. So good to be an ant who crawls atop a spinning rock."

"Copy cats in cheap suits are playing it safe, while cannibals of bad news consume the parade. Is it wonderful?"

"And I'm swimming in the night, chasing down the moon. The deeper in the water, the more I long for you".

"Lonely, you don’t know how I feel. Praise God, nothing is as it seems."

I think Homme has said he would love for this to have started off with a unicorn at a birthday party (something like that - aka happy) but it wasn't like that. Coming off of a period of hospitalization it is no surprise that it feels darker than anything really before (with the exception of LTP, but that is based on folklore).


I like LCW so I dont want it to sound as if im hating on it. The fact that SFTD sound alike is a positive it speaks of tonal consistency and the reinforcement of a musical narrative. Clockwork differentiates, yet also feels disjointed and without an album direction or general intention. I will say that I did like the those variations and differences.

I agree and disagree here. I don't think the tonal difference is so much that you can throw any old QOTSA song onto it and think it fits in. The album is full of consistencies like weeping guitars, track bridging (for example Alex Turner's outro on If I Had A Tail to the Maracas on My God Is The Sun). Plus for me every other album has had average or skippable moments which detracts, it is a short album (about 45 minutes) but I think they realized 10 amazing tracks are better than 15 very good ones. I wouldn't mind any or even all of these being played live.



Shuman <<< Oliveri

Can't scream like Nick, but he can play plus offer more in terms of synths, speed of bass playing, different backing vocals.


Maybe to you.

No doubt, I can try to justify if you like (not favorite, but greatest).



Great concept albums are difficult to create and they splendidly succeeded. There are many disjointed portions in LCW while SFTD is fluid and consistent. It sounds better as a whole and dispite your claims it isnt just elite hard, its also delightfully melodic in its latter songs. Example of not completely hard is songs like God Is in the Radio, Another Love Song, Mosquito Song. All those songs are as 'soft' as any LCW song but resonate and have vivid imagery. The only song on LCW that resonates that way is If I had a Tail.

Maybe it passes as a modern concept, but I don't think basing an album around a radio and a car journey is so revolutionary. I would have to drive one day from LA to Joshua Tree whilst paying this to see if it makes a difference, but mainly it serves as transition and occasion message on how radio's play the same garbage. I also disagree on the imagery as I stated above. I think the dynamic of LCW is far greater. I love the Floydian explosion of tracks like TVOTAM, Fairweather Friends ...Like Clockwork. You can hear different genres clearly such as blues or psychedelic. You get depressed, arrogant, angry, empty, upbeat... I love SFTD but I don't think it can compare.

[Nowitness]

I'm sure the new album's tracks have mostly already been planned/composed. I'm guessing it will kind of be ...Like Clockwork II.