Is Kobe in the top 25 all time?

[Mr.Kite]

I have him at 7 right now

[JT123]

A title this season MIGHT push him into my top 30. Depends on how much he gets carried.

[pastis]

A title this season MIGHT push him into my top 30. Depends on how much he gets carried.

:applause: :applause:

[BigBoss]

If Kobe's at 25, then by default Lebron is 45.

[AnaheimLakers24]

top 5

[truhooper]

Top 12 imo

[LAZERUSS]

I have him at 7 right now

Then why are you asking if he is top-25, then?

[zoom17]

Then why are you asking if he is top-25, then?

:roll:

[HylianNightmare]

Of course he is. What kinda retarded question is this?

[StephHamann]

Of course he is. What kinda retarded question is this?

http://media3.giphy.com/media/aSTJbOerwCKqc/200_s.gif

[Ratnik]

Kobe is top 3.
MJ
Lebron
Kobe

[Artillery]

Kobe belongs in the 12-15 range. Wouldn't be right to put a sidekick in the top ten.

[NumberSix]

15ish

[f0und]

^^^^^ i agree with the last two posters.

going by the eyeball test, id put him 20-25. but because of whats on his resume, i begrudgingly put him around 15-ish.

[Jameerthefear]

^^^^^ i agree with the last two posters.

going by the eyeball test, id put him 20-25. but because of whats on his resume, i begrudgingly put him around 15-ish.
this.

[SMoKe0uT]

Hes def higher than lebronze....never EVER put lebron in front of kobe again after what happened this season and how much of a mother fvcking beta he is...ring chasing n***** monkey....watch his beta ass bail on this team next season too....fvcking sorry ass cavs fans talking shit to him when he left...now welcome back with open arms...shows you how weak minded yall n*****s are....fvcking all you are sheep...bum mother fvkcs :facepalm

:lol :lol :lol :applause:

[dreamwarrior]

When all is said and done people are going to look back and be appreciative that they got to see Kobe Bryant play live and in his prime. He may not go down as being the best, but he'll be remembered as the most re24ected.

RE24ECT

[JohnFreeman]

12-15

[Real14]

Top 5.

[Akrazotile]

DRob, Kidd, McHale, Barkley, Dirk, Durant, Stockton, others >>>> Kobe as players.


"Ohhh, but lets use 'ringssss' to make kobe seem better bc he takes harder shots and acts like michael jerdan!!"

[The JKidd Kid]

^^^^^ i agree with the last two posters.

going by the eyeball test, id put him 20-25. but because of whats on his resume, i begrudgingly put him around 15-ish.

Holy shit this is spot on.

[Mure]

I have him 15-20. Was a sidekick for a lot of his career, no sidekick can be top 10.

[gts]

Kobe will retire and be considered a top 5 player when it's all said and done

A lot of you guys sure go out of your way to make yourselves look like morons or assholes... :lol

[Akrazotile]

Kobe will retire and be considered a top 5 player when it's all said and done

A lot of you guys sure go out of your way to make yourselves look like morons or assholes... :lol


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[dubeta]

Kobe will retire and be considered a top 5 player when it's all said and done

A lot of you guys sure go out of your way to make yourselves look like morons or assholes... :lol

hes not even a top 5 SG

[Akrazotile]

hes not even a top 5 SG


repped

[dubeta]

repped

:cheers:

[tpols]

Kobe belongs in the 12-15 range. Wouldn't be right to put a sidekick in the top ten.

hmm.. better boot kareem then.. and duncan. and Shaq.. and hakeem is top 3 for ultimate alpha. :rockon:

[dubeta]

hmm.. better boot kareem then.. and duncan. and Shaq.. and hakeem is top 3 for ultimate alpha. :rockon:

MJ
LeBron
Hakeem

top 3, no sidekick rings allowed

[tpols]

MJ
LeBron
Hakeem

top 3, no sidekick rings allowed

Lebron w/ shaq is a sidekick... every single time. Dude defers to udonis haslem.. hed suck shaqs d!ck. :cheers:

[dubeta]

Lebron w/ shaq is a sidekick... every single time. Dude defers to udonis haslem.. hed suck shaqs d!ck. :cheers:

:roll: :roll:

Kobe was a sidekick to Pau freaking Gasol

Look at Win Shares

SidekickBe

btw LeBron wouldve won FMVP if he had open looks from Shaq's pressure on the defense

[tpols]

:roll: :roll:

Kobe was a sidekick to Pau freaking Gasol

Look at Win Shares

SidekickBe

btw LeBron wouldve won FMVP if he had open looks from Shaq's pressure on the defense

bruh..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2001.html

I love this.:lol

Kobe had more winshares than Shaq in 2001.. LA's most dominant run.

Kobe > Shaq. Your logic only.

[knicksman]

then where would bran be? Kobe won more with less. How embarrassing it is for lebron esp for his fans?

[dubeta]

bruh..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2001.html

I love this.:lol

Kobe had more winshares than Shaq in 2001.. LA's most dominant run.

Kobe > Shaq. Your logic only.

so kobe's 1/5 for winshare championships?

still a sidekick

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I have him 15-20. Was a sidekick for a lot of his career, no sidekick can be top 10.

Top 15 is kinda low, top 10-12 seems about right.

Thing with Kobe I find overrated is his "IQ". I don't know how someone with this so-called 'basketball genius' can make such poor decisions on offense. His incessant need to jack up outside shots and alienate his teammates makes his team less valuable as a whole.

He really doesn't raise his teams level of play, either. Kobe didn't "carry" shit (lol @ shooting 6-24 in a game 7 during the finals). The Lakers TEAM won those 2 championships with PJax coaching ability (got the supporting cast to step up like they did).

Being selfish and a ball hog is a lot more complex than just shot attempts, though. It’s how your DECISIONS directly affect the team. You can also add in jacking up 5-6 shots in garbage time to merely bring up your personal point total, pointing the finger at teammates after losses, never taking responsibility for your own failures, and things of that nature as well.

Fringe top 10 player, and one of the crappiest high profile "team leaders" I’ve ever seen in my life, in any team sport.

[Akrazotile]

bruh..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2001.html

I love this.:lol

Kobe had more winshares than Shaq in 2001.. LA's most dominant run.

Kobe > Shaq. Your logic only.


The thing is tho, any of these metric systems will have what are called outliers, or anomalies. In any given game, week, month, or season something abnormal can happen. The key is to look at the pattern.


Kibe's career pattern is to consistently underwhelm in all advance metrics compared to other great players. So yes, he had an unusually high rate of win shares one year. But the pattern is clear. Kibe is simply overrated. And I like the guy. I do. But he's an overrated player, probably the most overrated of all time.

[tpols]

so kobe's 1/5 for winshare championships?

still a sidekick

He's actually 2/5 winshares.


You should be familiar with that ratio.:D

[dubeta]

Top 10 is already locked

in no order

MJ
Bron
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Wilt
Russell
Hakeem
Kareem

its an exclusive club, no argument for any other player, definitely no sidekicks or 45% shooters

[dubeta]

He's actually 2/5 winshares.


You should be familiar with that ratio.:D

Kobe's FMVP to ring ratio? yea its pretty bad

[tpols]

The thing is tho, any of these metric systems will have what are called outliers, or anomalies. In any given game, week, month, or season something abnormal can happen. The key is to look at the pattern.


Kibe's career pattern is to consistently underwhelm in all advance metrics compared to other great players. So yes, he had an unusually high rate of win shares one year. But the pattern is clear. Kibe is simply overrated. And I like the guy. I do. But he's an overrated player, probably the most overrated of all time.

same logic can be applied to POW gasol bro.. kobe destroys him in every advanced metric throughout their careers. And you using one year to discredit.. seems exactly the same.

[knicksman]

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Top 15 is kinda low, top 10-12 seems about right.

Thing with Kobe I find overrated is his "IQ". I don't know how someone with this so-called 'basketball genius' can make such poor decisions on offense. His incessant need to jack up outside shots and alienate his teammates makes his team less valuable as a whole.

He really doesn't raise his teams level of play, either. Kobe didn't "carry" shit (lol @ shooting 6-24 in a game 7 during the finals). The Lakers TEAM won those 2 championships with PJax coaching ability (got the supporting cast to step up like they did).

Being selfish and a ball hog is a lot more complex than just shot attempts, though. It

[Akrazotile]

same logic can be applied to POW gasol bro.. kobe destroys him in every advanced metric throughout their careers. And you using one year to discredit.. seems exactly the same.


Not really because those metrics measure direct offensive impact and don't account as much for intangibles. So if anything, Kibe's metrics will represent his absolute maximum possible value, because he's more stats than intangibles. Whereas Gasol and Shaq (and most great bigs, and some other wings) are going to effect the game in ways that don't show up on the score sheet just by the nature of how they play. Obviously Shaq put up great stats as well but even those didnt do him jsutice.

I mean Kibe of all people should benefit from stats/metrics because his contribution is all numbers. And yet when you crunch them and look at efficiency, opponent, and various other factors... he's very underwhelming for a supposedly all-time great.

[tpols]

Not really because those metrics measure direct offensive impact and don't account as much for intangibles.

Pau is 0-16 in the playoffs without the evil Kibe..


Dem intangibles and such leaderchip.

POW!!

[dubeta]

Not really because those metrics measure direct offensive impact and don't account as much for intangibles. So if anything, Kibe's metrics will represent his absolute maximum possible value, because he's more stats than intangibles. Whereas Gasol and Shaq (and most great bigs, and some other wings) are going to effect the game in ways that don't show up on the score sheet just by the nature of how they play. Obviously Shaq put up great stats as well but even those didnt do him jsutice.

I mean Kibe of all people should benefit from stats/metrics because his contribution is all numbers. And yet when you crunch them and look at efficiency, opponent, and various other factors... he's very underwhelming for a supposedly all-time great.

joe johnson is a better overall player than kobe

[Akrazotile]

Pau is 0-16 in the playoffs without the evil Kibe..


Dem intangibles and such leaderchip.

POW!!


What are Kibe and Fisher's playoff records respectively?


edit: And please credit Kobe with 4 losses in the year he "ruptured his achilles" immediately before their doomed and inevitable sweep by the Spurs.

[And1AllDay]

Kobe is top 3.
MJ
Lebron
Kobe

I won't lie, this made me laugh a bit :lol

[Heavincent]

edit: And please credit Kobe with 4 losses in the year he "ruptured his achilles" immediately before their doomed and inevitable sweep by the Spurs.

This is probably the most forced conspiracy theory ever. At least some other conspiracy theories have some merit due to mystery and unanswered questions. There is no mystery here. He's a ****ing basketball player who got injured, not some suspicious government official trying to cover up something shady. I think someone would have spilled the beans by now if it was some elaborate hoax.

One would assume that you're trolling, but you've literally typed hundreds of pages worth of crap about Kobe, so I feel like you might actually be serious. Either that or you put way too much effort into trolling an internet forum. It's pathetic no matter how you slice it.

[Dragic4Life]

Says who? Your fvcking N*gg** ass? nobody gives a flying fvck what you gotta say...should you be with Silk working at mcdonalds? Fvcking Ph8Ggot
There's no need to be mad at the truth.:roll:

[Warfan]

Says who? Your fvcking N*gg** ass? nobody gives a flying fvck what you gotta say...should you be with Silk working at mcdonalds? Fvcking Ph8Ggot

Can somebody ban this fukcface and his main account?? How many times do i need to report this garbage??

[dubeta]

Bump


Let's reevaluate this question after last seasons performance by the Mamba

[24-Inch_Chrome]

10-12, still. He's 10th for me right now.

[Naero]

Nothing really to re-evaluate about Kobe's legacy, unless he he improves the longevity facet of his legacy tremendously this season.

Players' legacies are evaluated primarily on the years they were expected to perform at a high level based on their physical state; those years are obviously long gone in the rear-view mirror from Kobe, and unless he exceeds expectations at this post-prime age--which would improve his longevity--there isn't anything to re-evaluate regarding his legacy.

His legacy is bound to plateau for a while until some of the modern-day all-time greats surpass him.

[feyki]

Kobe is top 3.
MJ
Lebron
Kobe

:bowdown: master of basketball .

[Gileraracer]

LeBron fam unite!

#1 Lebron
#2 Lebron
#3 Lebron
#4 Lebron
#5 KENG
#6 Lebron
#7 Lebron
#8 Lebron
#9 Lebron
#10 MJ
.
.
.
#100 Kobe



LEBRON FAM UNITE


#KENG

[riseagainst]

:lol @ some of the posts in this thread.

[HOoopCityJones]

10-12, still. He's 10th for me right now.

If Kobe is 10, that means Duncan must be at 14 or 15. :lol

All time
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan


Meanwhile....


Duncan






Shaq






































Kobe


@ sucking d!ck

[dubeta]

If Kobe is 10, that means Duncan must be at 14 or 15. :lol

All time
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan


Meanwhile....





Are you stupid?

Add up MVPs and FMVPs



Duncan - 5

Shaq - 4

Kobe - 3



Duncan > Shaq > Kobe

[riseagainst]

Are you stupid?

Add up MVPs and FMVPs



Duncan - 5

Shaq - 4

Kobe - 3



Duncan > Shaq > Kobe

so does this mean MJ > Lebron since 11 > 6?
inb4 criteria change

[dubeta]

so does this mean MJ > Lebron since 11 > 6?


1. MJ - 11

2. Kareem - 8

3. LeBron - 6

[24-Inch_Chrome]

If Kobe is 10, that means Duncan must be at 14 or 15. :lol


Duncan is at 5, Shaq is at 7.

Kobe is tiered with Bron(9)/Hakeem(11)/Oscar(12). Honestly doesn't deserve the amount of attention he gets, same thing goes for LeBron.

[HOoopCityJones]

Shaq is at 5, Kobe is at 7.

Kobe is tiered with Duncan(9)/Lebron(11)/Hakeem(12). Honestly doesn't deserve the amount of attention he gets, same thing goes for LeBron.

fixed for accuracy.

Only in your pretty little Spurs Stanley heart is Duncan above two guys who have made a career out of raping his best Spurs Teams.:oldlol:

Shit, forget Kobe. Duncan doesn't have shit on Shaq period.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

fixed for accuracy.

Only in your pretty little Spurs Stanley heart is Duncan above two guys who have made a career out of raping his best Spurs Teams.:oldlol:

Shit, forget Kobe. Duncan doesn't have shit on Shaq period.

I'm now a Spurs stan? :oldlol:

Stay willfully ignorant, goodbye. :cheers:

[HOoopCityJones]

Concession accepted.

You have no argument for Duncan being over Shaq much less Kobe.

I'll say again, they dominated this man , and he only started winning again once they both had injuries in 03 and came apart at the seams the very next year in 04. Even Pop and Duncan themselves will tell you their biggest obstacle were The Lakers, specifically Kobe Bean Bryant.

That's why you hate him the most.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Duncan has the accolades, dominant two way play, intangibles, success, longevity, and skill to make it into the top-5.

He trumps Kobe on every category that I listed with the possible exception of skill. More/better accolades, more impactful two way player, GOAT-tier intangibles/leadership, more impressive individual success, extreme (and ongoing) longevity as a positive impact player who remains integral to his team's success.

Your only option is falling back to head to head and acting like it was Kobe who was the sole reason for any team success. Kobe (and LeBron, for that matter) are great players...but their exaggerated degree of greatness is more a figment of the media and their rabid fans than actual, tangible factors.

[ISHGoat]

Concession accepted.

You have no argument for Duncan being over Shaq much less Kobe.

I'll say again, they dominated this man , and he only started winning again once they both had injuries in 03 and came apart at the seams the very next year in 04. Even Pop and Duncan themselves will tell you their biggest obstacle were The Lakers, specifically Kobe Bean Bryant.

That's why you hate him the most.

Uhhh what the ****?

Duncan > Shaq > Kobe and it isn't really debatable either..

[Derka]

Of course he is.

[HOoopCityJones]

Duncan has the accolades, dominant two way play, intangibles, success, longevity, and skill to make it into the top-5.

He trumps Kobe on every category that I listed with the possible exception of skill. More/better accolades, more impactful two way player, GOAT-tier intangibles/leadership, more impressive individual success, extreme (and ongoing) longevity as a positive impact player who remains integral to his team's success.

Your only option is falling back to head to head and acting like it was Kobe who was the sole reason for any team success. Kobe (and LeBron, for that matter) are great players...but their exaggerated degree of greatness is more a figment of the media and their rabid fans than actual, tangible factors.


Kobe has more points, assists and more All NBA and defensive Teams and he's played at a higher level for longer than Tim Duncan.

Wtf are you talking about right now? media driven awards, what about Gold medals? Tim's International play has been scarce since his loss in 04. You spurs fans are delusional , keep pretending Tim is leading these Teams when it's been Tony since 07. You in particular seem to dismiss Tony Parker whenever he's brought up. Wonder why. :coleman:

If you wanna argue stats and efficiency , Duncan doesn't even compare to Shaq or even Karl Malone.

[dubeta]

Kobe has more points, assists and more All NBA and defensive Teams and he's played at a higher level for longer than Tim Duncan.

Wtf are you talking about right now? media driven awards, what about Gold medals? Tim's International play has been scarce since his loss in 04. You spurs fans are delusional , keep pretending Tim is leading these Teams when it's been Tony since 07. You in particular seem to dismiss Tony Parker whenever he's brought up. Wonder why. :coleman:

If you wanna argue stats and efficiency , Duncan doesn't even compare to Shaq or even Karl Malone.


Lol you seriously believe Kobe is Top 25 all-time? :roll:

[ralph_i_el]

Kobe is definitely top-25 all time

[riseagainst]

Kobe is definitely top 1000 all time.

[Bankaii]

Please tell me this Hoop guy is a troll:roll:
Dude is just ignorant. Quit letting your fandom of Kobe make you look so foolish.
Duncan>Shaq>Kobe as far as GOAT rankings go. Most objective fans would agree.

[T_L_P]

Kobe has more points, assists and more All NBA and defensive Teams and he's played at a higher level for longer than Tim Duncan.

Wtf are you talking about right now? media driven awards, what about Gold medals? Tim's International play has been scarce since his loss in 04. You spurs fans are delusional , keep pretending Tim is leading these Teams when it's been Tony since 07. You in particular seem to dismiss Tony Parker whenever he's brought up. Wonder why. :coleman:

If you wanna argue stats and efficiency , Duncan doesn't even compare to Shaq or even Karl Malone.

Duncan has 30 All-NBA + All-D teams.

I think Kobe has 27.

Also, your point about Kobe's teams beating Duncan's is a complete misnomer.

Kobe and Shaq are two top 10 players of all time, and they beat Duncan in their primes.

Duncan's best player was a 35+ year old, completely broken down Robinson.

It should be more about their actual play in those games/series (even though they play completely different positions).

And yes, Kobe did probably outplay Duncan overall, but if that's the crux of your argument, you really haven't got much.

You saying Duncan has no case over Kobe is so laughable.

The dude has more All-NBA/All-D teams, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, better stats (raw and advanced), more leadership qualities, he's 7 foot tall which lends itself to a greater impact right off the bat.

By most traditional standards, it's Duncan. Kobe is the one whose case needs to be made, not the other way around.

[outbreak]

I have him at 11. Don't see any way he cracks top ten unless he wins a title this year which isn't happening. Lebron's at 12 for me but he has time to jump to 10th or 9th

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I had a post typed out but T_L_P's will more than suffice.

One thing I do have to add; you think that Tony Parker has led the Spurs since 2007? :roll:

One of the dumbest things I've ever read on ISH.

[dubeta]

PER states

LeBron > Shaq > Duncan > Kobe

[GIF REACTION]

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Lebron
7. Duncan
8. Bird
9. Shaq
10. Kobe

[Lebron23]

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Lebron
7. Duncan
8. Bird
9. Shaq
10. Kobe


Remove Kobe, and put Hakeem in the top 10.

[Magic 32]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/simmons_pyramid.html

[Prime_Shaq]

Shaq =/> Duncan > LeBron > Kobe

But yes Kobe is Top 25 all-time

[dubeta]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/simmons_pyramid.html


The biggest Kobe stan ranked him #8?



Shocking.

[IllegalD]

The biggest Kobe stan ranked him #8?



Shocking.

Errr....

Simmons has been one of the biggest Kobe haters/detractors for most of his career. Only recently he's "come around" on Kobe but still gets his shots in here and there.

The point our friend is trying to make that if one of the biggest haters/Kobe detractors ever has him ranked at #8, then that's the absolute BOTTOM of how low Kobe can be ranked in the all time list.

It also indicates that he's probably actually higher, somewhere in the Top 5. Since thats where most neutral bball fans would rank him.

[IllegalD]

Remove Kobe, and put Hakeem in the top 10.

Dat Finals losing record has made you rather insecure. :applause:

[Lebron23]

Dat Finals losing record has made you rather insecure. :applause:


I am not even serious. I have Kobe at 9 or 10.

[riseagainst]

The biggest Kobe stan ranked him #8?



Shocking.


:biggums:

[sdot_thadon]

Errr....

Simmons has been one of the biggest Kobe haters/detractors for most of his career. Only recently he's "come around" on Kobe but still gets his shots in here and there.

The point our friend is trying to make that if one of the biggest haters/Kobe detractors ever has him ranked at #8, then that's the absolute BOTTOM of how low Kobe can be ranked in the all time list.

It also indicates that he's probably actually higher, somewhere in the Top 5. Since thats where most neutral bball fans would rank him.
5 years of basketball since then remember. But he's top 10 for sure, mid to bottom.

[rmt]

Kobe has more points, assists and more All NBA and defensive Teams and he's played at a higher level for longer than Tim Duncan.

Wtf are you talking about right now? media driven awards, what about Gold medals? Tim's International play has been scarce since his loss in 04. You spurs fans are delusional , keep pretending Tim is leading these Teams when it's been Tony since 07. You in particular seem to dismiss Tony Parker whenever he's brought up. Wonder why. :coleman:

If you wanna argue stats and efficiency , Duncan doesn't even compare to Shaq or even Karl Malone.

You might want to check your info before posting. Kobe does not have more all-nba or defensive teams than Duncan. They both have 15 all-nba teams. Duncan has 15 all-defensive teams and Kobe has 12 (some of them undeserved - purely on reputation). No sane person would think that Kobe has the same defensive impact as Duncan regardless of all-defensive teams.

[IllegalD]

5 years of basketball since then remember. But he's top 10 for sure, mid to bottom.

Your point? :confusedshrug:

Unlike the fools here, players don't drop in Simmons' all-time rankings just because they aged or didn't match the peak of their success in their twilight. They can only go up, or have another player leapfrog them.

Besides you make it seem like the entire 5 seasons have been negative.

From 2011-2013:

- 3x AllStar (legit selections, not just legacy selections like the last two)

- 3x All-NBA First Team selections

- Climbed up to #3 on All Time Scoring List (2015)

- 2x All-Defensive Team selections (1 First team, 1 Second team)

- Had one of his personal GOAT individual regular seasons in 2013

- 1x All-Star MVP

[24-Inch_Chrome]

The point our friend is trying to make that if one of the biggest haters/Kobe detractors ever has him ranked at #8, then that's the absolute BOTTOM of how low Kobe can be ranked in the all time list.

It also indicates that he's probably actually higher, somewhere in the Top 5. Since thats where most neutral bball fans would rank him.

Top 5 is where his stans rank him. Top 8-10 is closer to neutral.

[TheBigVeto]

No

[SouBeachTalents]

Errr....

Simmons has been one of the biggest Kobe haters/detractors for most of his career. Only recently he's "come around" on Kobe but still gets his shots in here and there.

The point our friend is trying to make that if one of the biggest haters/Kobe detractors ever has him ranked at #8, then that's the absolute BOTTOM of how low Kobe can be ranked in the all time list.

It also indicates that he's probably actually higher, somewhere in the Top 5. Since thats where most neutral bball fans would rank him.

Some of the biggest bullshit I've ever read

ISH: Kobe ranked 8th
Real GM: Kobe ranked 13th
Pro Sports Daily: Kobe ranked 10th
Slam 500: Kobe ranked 10th
Simmons: Kobe ranked 8th

Kobe ranks 8-10 by most fans

[HOoopCityJones]

Some of the biggest bullshit I've ever read

ISH: Kobe ranked 8th
Real GM: Kobe ranked 13th
Pro Sports Daily: Kobe ranked 10th
Slam 500: Kobe ranked 10th
Simmons: Kobe ranked 8th

Kobe ranks 8-10 by most fans


RealGM is shit how it pertains to ranking Kobe, it's full of guys pushing the advanced metric agenda like it's the new Islamic religion.

A bunch of pu$$ys basically.

[HOoopCityJones]

You might want to check your info before posting. Kobe does not have more all-nba or defensive teams than Duncan. They both have 15 all-nba teams. Duncan has 15 all-defensive teams and Kobe has 12 (some of them undeserved - purely on reputation). No sane person would think that Kobe has the same defensive impact as Duncan regardless of all-defensive teams.

Damn, you're right..

However, no sane person would even begin to suggest Duncan has offensive impact of a prime Kobe Bryant or even a young sidekick Kobe. Kobe's better because he has high level offense with the qualities as strong defender in his own right to compliment it. Playmaking , Defense, high level offense trumps mediocre defense for a big and high level defense.

Duncan isn't even the best big in his era, and depending on the day you homers can't decide whether he's a PF or a Center.

Has *** guzzler Tim even dropped more than 50 pts before? :facepalm

I respect Timmy tho, Goat power forward.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe is absolutely top 2.5 all time. 2-3, depending on your preference.

[IllegalD]

Some of the biggest bullshit I've ever read

ISH: Kobe ranked 8th
Real GM: Kobe ranked 13th
Pro Sports Daily: Kobe ranked 10th
Slam 500: Kobe ranked 10th
Simmons: Kobe ranked 8th

Kobe ranks 8-10 by most fans

:roll: at you using ISH, Simmons and Real GM as examples of what "most fans" think. (especially as it pertains to Kobe) :facepalm

[DaOldLion]

:roll: at you using ISH, Simmons and Real GM as examples of what "most fans" think. (especially as it pertains to Kobe) :facepalm

yeah man don't you know that the opinion of internet trolls and a Celtics homer holds more merit than the opinions of guys like KD & Wade and all time greats like bird and jordan /sarcasm

[24-Inch_Chrome]

RealGM is shit how it pertains to ranking Kobe, it's full of guys pushing the advanced metric agenda like it's the new Islamic religion.

A bunch of pu$$ys basically.

Damn, ignorance on multiple levels. I'm impressed. :applause:

[IllegalD]

Damn, ignorance on multiple levels. I'm impressed. :applause:

Go eat some poutine out of Kyle Lowry's ass you canadian piece of sh*t. :applause: