Worst championship supporting casts

[ekosky]

1. Lebron James-2013 Miami Heat
2. Lebron James-2012 Miami Heat
3. Hakeem Olajuwon-1994 Houston Rockets

Any other ones i'm missing?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

In reality:

Duncan 03
Olajuwon 94


Also believe Walton had a mediocre cast. Not an expert on the era though so idk.

[livinglegend]

2013 Heat was one of the worst ever. Big names, but no production from them.

[Dragic4Life]

1. Lebron James-2013 Miami Heat
2. Lebron James-2012 Miami Heat
3. Hakeem Olajuwon-1994 Houston Rockets

Any other ones i'm missing?
Go ahead and put Lebron James 2015 down as well.

[ekosky]

2013 Heat was one of the worst ever. Big names, but no production from them.
It WAS the worst ever. This is why it skyrockets Lebron up the all-time list to me, despite his other Finals downfalls.

He literally carried 2 "superstars" to both those rings.

[livinglegend]

In reality:

Duncan 03
Olajuwon 94


Also believe Walton had a mediocre cast. Not an expert on the era though so idk.

03 Duncan was much better than 13 Lebron.

[T_L_P]

03 Duncan was much better than 13 Lebron.

As a player or the teams, because relative to the competition the 03 Spurs were weaker than the Heat.

[livinglegend]

It WAS the worst ever. This is why it skyrockets Lebron up the all-time list to me, despite his other Finals downfalls.

He literally carried 2 "superstars" to both those rings.

Wade and Bosh both embarrassed themselves in those playoffs. I m happy that Lebron left them. They dont deserve to be carried anymore.

[livinglegend]

As a player or the teams, because relative to the competition the 03 Spurs were easily weaker than the Heat.

As a team. Lebron s supporting was shit in 13. His 2nd best player was Birdman and third best Haslem vs Pacers. That s how bad they were.
Bosh got f*cked by every big he faced.
Wade was a liability for most of the playoffs.

[SexSymbol]

ITT : LeBron fan circlejerk.
None of LeBron's teams have a case to be in the top 5 of worst finals casts ever

[Dragic4Life]

ITT : LeBron fan circlejerk.
None of LeBron's teams have a case to be in the top 5 of worst finals casts ever
:sleeping

[T_L_P]

As a team. Lebron s supporting was shit in 13. His 2nd best player was Birdman and third best Haslem vs Pacers. That s how bad they were.
Bosh got f*cked by every big he faced.
Wade was a liability for most of the playoffs.

They under performed, but they were easily a better tandem than Parker/Jackson were. Birdman ****ing shot .800+ TS% in the Playoffs. Allen shot like .750 in the Finals.

And this was against a 38 win team and a couple of 45-49 win teams (whose play didn't exceed their records in the slightest). Duncan had to go through prime Shaq and Kobe, as well as a 60 win Dallas team (who even without Dirk were better than those Eastern teams).

And in terms of Duncan 03 vs LeBron 13, it's not really close either.

[ekosky]

ITT : LeBron fan circlejerk.
None of LeBron's teams have a case to be in the top 5 of worst finals casts ever
Ur dumb:oldlol:

[T_L_P]

2012 Heat is up there minus Bosh.

[livinglegend]

They under performed, but they were easily a better tandem than Parker/Jackson were. Birdman ****ing shot .800+ TS% in the Playoffs. Allen shot like .750 in the Finals.

And this was against a 38 win team and a couple of 45-49 win teams (whose play didn't exceed their records in the slightest). Duncan had to go through prime Shaq and Kobe, as well as a 60 win Dallas team (who even without Dirk were better than those Eastern teams).

And in terms of Duncan 03 vs LeBron 13, it's not really close either.

We are talking about the supporting cast, not Lebron or Duncan nor their competition. Wade and Bosh were both shit in the playoffs. Wade was huge liability for most of the finals. He killed the whole spacing. Bosh got raped by every big.
Birdman shot well because Lebron set him up under the rim. He never created anything for himself.
And stop cherry picking stats. What were Allen s stats for the whole playoffs?

[Milbuck]

What Duncan did with that 2003 squad was ****ing incredible. 24/17/5/5/1 on 55% TS in the Finals...109 ORTG / 83 DRTG...if you value defense as you should, Duncan had one of the most dominant championship runs you'll ever see, that was the prime example of carrying a mediocre cast to a title.

[SexSymbol]

What Duncan did with that 2003 squad was ****ing incredible. 24/17/5/5/1 on 55% TS in the Finals...109 ORTG / 83 DRTG...if you value defense as you should, Duncan had one of the most dominant championship runs you'll ever see, that was the prime example of carrying a mediocre cast to a title.
83 rtg is beyond crazy even if the pace of Spurs was slow, that's phenominal in every way imaginable.

[Dbrog]

94 Olajuwon
11 Dirk
03 Duncan
75 Barry

Probably the only 4 players to near-singlehandedly win a chip

[livinglegend]

94 Olajuwon
11 Dirk
03 Duncan
75 Barry

Probably the only 4 players to near-singlehandedly win a chip

stop acting like you saw 75 Barry s championship run

[Dbrog]

stop acting like you saw 75 Barry s championship run

I obviously didn't see the whole series. I've seen games of his though and it's pretty amazing. If you wanna see the disparity with his teammates the stats do it justice. Go ahead and look em up. Meanwhile Barry was giant killing against elite teams. Hell he averaged 40pts in a playoffs before :eek:

[Harison]

Hakeem '94
Barry '75

The only correct answer. Neither Dirk '11 nor Duncan '03 had a bad supporting cast (no star teammates doesnt mean cast is terrible), actually it was good in both cases and playing out of their minds.

[Dbrog]

Hakeem '94
Barry '75

The only correct answer. Neither Dirk '11 nor Duncan '03 had a bad supporting cast (no star teammates doesnt mean cast is terrible), actually it was good in both cases and playing out of their minds.


2003 Champ Spurs - Rounding up
Duncan - 25/15/5/3, 53%
Tony - 15/3/4, 40%
Stephen - 13/4/3, 41%
Manu - 9/4/3, 39%
Robinson - 8/7, 54%
Malik Rose - 9/6, 42%

1994 Champ Rockets - Rounding up
Hakeem - 29/11/4/4, 52%
Maxwell - 14/4/4, 38%
Horry - 12/6/4, 43%
Thorpe - 11/9, 57%
JET - 11/4, 46%
Cassell - 9/4, 39%

:confusedshrug:

Pretty even if you ask me. Duncan's team would probably be considered significantly worse if it wasn

[tpols]

What Duncan did with that 2003 squad was ****ing incredible. 24/17/5/5/1 on 55% TS in the Finals...109 ORTG / 83 DRTG...if you value defense as you should, Duncan had one of the most dominant championship runs you'll ever see, that was the prime example of carrying a mediocre cast to a title.

Jason Kidd was carrying a similar level team just as far.. kerry kittles, kenyon martin.. no worse than david robinson, S-jax, manu ginobili, tony parker, popovich coaching.. The nets outside Kidd were no better than the spurs outside duncan.

In fact, I'd take d-rob, manu, parker, jackson, etc. all over the nets supporting cast.. and I dont even think you can debate that its even close.

[T_L_P]

Jason Kidd was carrying a similar level team just as far.. kerry kittles, kenyon martin.. no worse than david robinson, S-jax, manu ginobili, tony parker, popovich coaching.. The nets outside Kidd were no better than the spurs outside duncan.

In fact, I'd take d-rob, manu, parker, jackson, etc. all over the nets supporting cast.. and I dont even think you can debate that its even close.

Kenyon Martin has gotten severely underrated in recent years. He was a stud, and better than any of Duncan's teammates in 03 -- he was a 20/10 player at that point. Are you seriously taking negative impact Parker over him, or am I just reading your post wrong?

[tpols]

Kenyon Martin has gotten severely underrated in recent years. He was a stud, and better than any of Duncan's teammates in 03 -- he was a 20/10 player at that point. Are you seriously taking negative impact Parker over him, or am I just reading your post wrong?
K-mart was good defensively.. good energizer/tough guy.. but he was no stud. He did absolutely nothing outside of jason kidd.

He's an 11/6 player career stats w/o kidd. Role player stuff.


Kidd joined a 20 something win team with no expectations for shit.. and turned them into perrenial contenders.. While Duncan joined a team with a soon to be GOAT coach, one of the GOAT level centers as mentor and leader, and a bunch of HOF caliber euopean prospects.. he just had waaay more. And its not really that close.

Thats why I think his 03 is overrated.. beat a laker team exhausted coming off 3 championships, and then faced one of the weaker teams ever in the Finals..

[Harison]

[QUOTE=Dbrog]
Pretty even if you ask me. Duncan's team would probably be considered significantly worse if it wasn

[T_L_P]

K-mart was good defensively.. good energizer/tough guy.. but he was no stud. He did absolutely nothing outside of jason kidd.

He's an 11/6 player career stats w/o kidd. Role player stuff.


Kidd joined a 20 something win team with no expectations for shit.. and turned them into perrenial contenders.. While Duncan joined a team with a soon to be GOAT coach, one of the GOAT level centers as mentor and leader, and a bunch of HOF caliber euopean prospects.. he just had waaay more. And its not really that close.

Of course Duncan had more than Kidd. That's not debatable.

But Kenyon Martin, in 2003, was better than any of Duncan's teammates, with the slight exception of D. Rob, who was nothing more than a great role player. . You can't just chalk it up to Kidd making him better, because in the Finals he was asked to hold Duncan to a standstill and be the Nets' second best offensive producer.

So are you still really taking 03 Parker over 03 Martin? Like I said, I'm not debating that Duncan had more help. He did. But to say his 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options were better than Kidd's 2nd is ludicrous. :confusedshrug:

[Dbrog]

You forgot competition, Dreams was significantly harder. While Duncan's "terrible cast whom he was carrying" were blowing out prime Shaq and Kobe out of the water 114-95 with Duncan having only 12 points like in Game2, doesnt seem like cast was terrible, isnt? We could also add elite all-around D and arguably GOAT coach.

Then in the Finals Spurs met Nets who were a weak team (from super weak East at that time) with no front court to speak off. Not exactly victory anyone would be cherishing, real Finals were vs Lakers.

Thats why what Hakeem or Barry did >> Duncan's '03. Not because it wasnt great, but it wasnt among few THE greatest of All-time.

You can't bring up competition when Duncan ENDED the dynasty Lakers while Hakeem grabbed a chip while MJ was retired. Besides, Duncan won with defense moreso than offense. In that particular game I doubt the Spurs would have even won if Bruce didn't have the game of his life. He had a Donyell Marshall moment. Duncan averaged 28/12/5 that series DESPITE the 12pt game. It seems you have forgotten context.


Edit: BTW tpols what you smokin? Kmart way better than 03 Parker/Gino/Drob. Lol @ him only being 11/6 without Kidd. He was clearly much better than that. You gonna talk about how bad Jermaine Oneal was when he didn't have the Pacers next?

[tpols]

None of this really addressed my post. Of course Duncan had more than Kidd. That's not debatable.

But Kenyon Martin, in 2003, was better than any of Duncan's teammates. You can't just chalk it up to Kidd making him better, because in the Finals he was asked to hold Duncan to a standstill and be the Nets' second best offensive producer.

So are you still really taking 03 Parker over 03 Martin? Like I said, I'm not debating that Duncan had more help. He did. But to say his 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options were better than Kidd's 2nd is ludicrous. :confusedshrug:

I never said duncans 3rd or 4th options were better than kenyon. Just that the whole of his SA teammates were better than the whole of Kidd's. Which you agree with according to the bolded.


I just find it funny when people :eek: at duncan's Finals numbers... like, he was facing a team with NO frontcourt and he had MORE help than his superstar opponent. And this is supposed to be some crazy 'how'd he do it' type thing?

If you had money you'd be retarded not to throw it on the spurs in the Finals that year. They were just clearly better. Shaq destroyed them in a sweep the previous year... they wouldnt have even made the Finals if they were a western conference team.. the whole team was literally all Kidd.

[L.A. Jazz]

1977 Bill Walton

[Magic 32]

Kenyon Martin has gotten severely underrated in recent years. He was a stud, and better than any of Duncan's teammates in 03 -- he was a 20/10 player at that point. Are you seriously taking negative impact Parker over him, or am I just reading your post wrong?

Kenyon Martin went to the west and was exposed for what he was.

[imnew09]

most Kobe's 2010 teammates retired/ jobless at the moment.

[jcsrplumply]

Rick Barry

[houston]

Easy 03 Spurs were the worst championship supporting cast in the past 20 years. They had to go through Kobe and Shaq get to the Finals. Even though they had Spurs twin towers.

The Rockets competition was easy during that run. Hakeem and Thorpe basically over power the other teams frontlines and Knicks had a worse squad than the Rockets built the same way.

But Rick Barry wins this by a landslide.

:oldlol: @ people saying Lebron Wade still gave that dude 20,4.5 and Bosh gave him near double double in 2013.

[Soundwave]

2013 NBA Finals:

LeBron: 25.3 PPG, .447% FG
Wade: 19.6 PPG, .476% FG
Bosh: 12 PPG, 9RPG, 46% FG

1997 NBA Finals:

Jordan: 32.3 PPG, 7 RPG .456% FG
Pippen: 20 PPG, 42% FG
Rodman: 2.3 PPG, 7.7 RPG

1998 NBA Finals:

Jordan: 33.5 PPG
Pippen: 15.7 PPG
Rodman: 3.3 PPG, 8 RPG


LeBron-Stans: Quit your f*cking whining. There was plenty of talent on Miami to win, Rodman was hot garbage the last two NBA Final wins (MJ almost equalled his rebound production in '97), Pippen was good but he was playing hurt in the '98 Finals too, no b*tching, no complaining, everyone just got the job done.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2012 Heat is up there minus Bosh.


:wtf: :wtf:

Regular season

Wade: 23/5/5/2/1 on 50%

Bosh: 18/8/2/1/1 on 49%

Playoffs:

Wade: 23/5/4/2/1 on 46%

Bosh: 14/8 on 49%

Finals:

Wade: 23/6/5/2/1 on 44%

Bosh: 15/9 on 45%

Battier: 12/3 on 85% TS


That's a top 5 worst supporting cast ever??

[Kvnzhangyay]

:wtf: :wtf:

Regular season

Wade: 23/5/5/2/1 on 50%

Bosh: 18/8/2/1/1 on 49%

Playoffs:

Wade: 23/5/4/2/1 on 46%

Bosh: 14/8 on 49%

Finals:

Wade: 23/6/5/2/1 on 44%

Bosh: 15/9 on 45%

Battier: 12/3 on 85% TS


That's a top 5 worst supporting cast ever??

He probably meant 2013, which definetely has a case

[Nowitness]

We are talking about the supporting cast, not Lebron or Duncan nor their competition. Wade and Bosh were both shit in the playoffs. Wade was huge liability for most of the finals. He killed the whole spacing. Bosh got raped by every big.
Birdman shot well because Lebron set him up under the rim. He never created anything for himself.
And stop cherry picking stats. What were Allen s stats for the whole playoffs?

I think it is pretty important who you face. In comparison to the scrubs Le2/5 went through to make the finals they fact that his team was worse than Duncan's in 03 is of less importance (ala if he were in the West in 03 he'd be a second round exit, if 03 spurs were in the East in 13 they'd sweep there way to a title...).

[SamuraiSWISH]

1998 NBA Finals:

Jordan: 33.5 PPG
Pippen: 15.7 PPG
Rodman: 3.3 PPG, 8 RPG
Was going to mention this one. 1998 Bulls team was old, tired, injured, and weak. 35 year old Jordan willed them to the second three peat.

[Soundwave]

Was going to mention this one. 1998 Bulls team was old, tired, injured, and weak. 35 year old Jordan willed them to the second three peat.

Before someone jumps down my throat ... Pippen did play well in that series, but he was injured for the last two games, could barely walk.

Bulls still win. No f*cking excuses. To quote Sean Connery in The Rock:

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f*ck the prom queen!

:applause:

[SHAQisGOAT]

OP's just a troll.

I'd probably say Barry in 1975, Hakeem in 1994 or even Walton in 1977 (not gonna mention the competition here).

Still no man wins a title by himself or remotely close, those teams were constructed around those best players' strengths and the teammates also had to contribute while playing well and with the team as the ultimate "goal". And it evens goes beyond the stats, like, say, in 1975 the Warriors were playing some great defense, rebounding really well, showing lots of heart and gritt, playing for the team, it wasn't just Barry going completely ham, even though he was crazy.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

How are ppl saying Blazers? That team had incredible ball movement and it wasnt just Walton he anchored the defense but they had a ton of capable offensive players
+ Mo Lucas was a 20/10/3 power forward with rugged D and a solid jumper

[SHAQisGOAT]

Oh, and how about Larry Bird in the 1984 Playoffs? Mentioned little in "things" like these.

People overlook it much but while Bird was going ham, the vast majority of the other Celtics were playing well below their standards, for a team that had gone 62-20 in the regular-season (mostly because of Larry though)...

-Parish scored 4 less PPG on 7% less from the field, playing 2 more MPG and only with 0.1 RPG more
-McHale scored 3.6 less PPG on 5% less from the floor
-DJ scored 3 more PPG on 3% less from the field, playing 3 more MPG
-Maxwell played more minutes but only scored the same and on 3% less from the floor
-Henderson scored 1 more ppg but on 4% less FG%
......
Bird raised his PPG and overall efficiency CONSIDERABLY, even his RPG, SPG and BPG.
Larry scored 10 more PPG than the Celtics' next best scorer, which was DJ shooting 40.4% from the field.

During those Playoffs, Bird led the team in:
-PPG (4th in the league)
-RPG (5th in the league)
-APG
-SPG
-MPG
-total points (1st in the league)
-total rebounds (1st in the league)
-total assists (2nd in the league)
-total steals (1st in the league)
-FG%
-FT%
-TS%
-eFG%
-PER (2nd in the league)
-ORtg
-DRtg
-OWS (1st in the league)
-DWS (1st in the league)
-WS (1st in the league)
-WS/48 (1st in the league)

And was 3rd in blocks and in 3P% with more 3's taken.

:applause: :bowdown: :eek:

You can say all you want about the minutes played and whatnot, but be reminded that he was out there most of the time in some really physical/gruelsome series... That's tough af, especially still having the most and better productivity.


Looking at some advanced stats between Bird and the 2nd best Celtic:

TS%
Bird - .607
Maxwell - .604

eFG%
Bird - .532
McHale - .504

ORtg
Bird - 120
McHale/Maxwell - 118

DRtg
Bird - 103
Parish - 105

OWS
Bird - 3.0
McHale - 1.4

DWS
Bird - 1.7
Parish - 1.3

WS
Bird - 4.7
McHale - 2.1

WS/48
Bird - .236
Carr - .145

PER
Bird - 26.3
McHale - 16.3


As far as FG%:

Bird - 52.4%
DJ/Parish/McHale/Henderson/Maxwell combined (ones scoring over 10 ppg) - 46.9%
All of the Celtics' players combined, excluding Bird - 45.8%


In the Finals it was more of the same, yet recently someone made a list of the top10 most valuable Finals performances and didn't even include him :facepalm
Shit was like Dirk's 2011 Finals on steroids, yet overlooked like crazy :rolleyes:

Bird outplayed and outscored, on better efficiency, a peak Bernard King, while having one of the GOAT game7's, against the Knicks.
He destroyed a 50W Bucks team with the 2nd best defense, while the C's quickly went past them mostly because of him.
In the Finals against a crazy stacked team, better on paper expected to win, with Kareem, Magic, Worthy, Cooper, McAdoo, Rambis... Larry was killing them while being guarded by Cooper and Worthy, getting most attention, led them to the title.

Not saying it was the worst supporting championship cast or something like that but people only tend to look at names (plenty that Bird made) while neglecting the level of a player at a certain time, what that player was doing before or without his best teammate (Larry), injuries, so on...
That 1984 squad is not even comparable to, say, the 1986 one, and while most of his teammates were playing pretty sub-par, Bird was tearing shit up and leading them to a title against some extremely tough competition.

[Warfan]

OP's just a troll.

I'd probably say Barry in 1975, Hakeem in 1994 or even Walton in 1977 (not gonna mention the competition here).

Still no man wins a title by himself or remotely close, those teams were constructed around those best players' strengths and the teammates also had to contribute while playing well and with the team as the ultimate "goal". And it evens goes beyond the stats, like, say, in 1975 the Warriors were playing some great defense, rebounding really well, showing lots of heart and gritt, playing for the team, it wasn't just Barry going completely ham, even though he was crazy.


I cant disagree completely about the Blazers since i havent watched much footage of them. But do you mind explaining how they were weak?? Just looking at the numbers, they had 5 players besides Walton in double digit scoring, including Lucas w/ 21/10/4, Hollins w/ 17/3/5 and Gross w/ 14/6/5.

[Nowitness]

People forget Bird because he had no D. Arguably next to Dirk as the only title winner to be named FMVP and be the worst defender on the starting 5.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

People forget Bird because he had no D. Arguably next to Dirk as the only title winner to be named FMVP and be the worst defender on the starting 5.
No way Larry was a worse defender than Ainge or Maxwell. He had great team D, anticipation, position, IQ quick hands. He was a better defender than Mchale in 84 only Parish was clearly better. DJ prolly is too but its not far

And theres no chance in hell Dirk was a worse defender than Jason fcking Terry:roll: :roll: :roll: or washed up Kidd even tho he had some good moments:no:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Not that I disagree about the Blazers since ive havent watched much footage of them. But do you mind explaining how they were weak?? Just looking at the numbers, they had 5 players besides Walton in double digit scoring, including Lucas w/ 21/10/4, Hollins w/ 17/3/5 and Gross w/ 14/6/5.

Again, don't forget this:



Still no man wins a title by himself or remotely close, those teams were constructed around those best players' strengths and the teammates also had to contribute while playing well and with the team as the ultimate "goal". And it evens goes beyond the stats,


^ Some of that really "defines" those Blazers.

Not in a sense that they were weak players or something (it's also weakER we're talking about, they were far from weak) but also gotta realize that most of them were having career years, individually and colectively, while playing alongside peak(due to injuries) Walton... You can mention injuries, situation, age, competition, coach, situation, so on... but it is what it is.

[Nowitness]

No way Larry was a worse defender than Ainge or Maxwell. He had great team D, anticipation, position, IQ quick hands. He was a better defender than Mchale in 84 only Parish was clearly better. DJ prolly is too but its not far

And theres no chance in hell Dirk was a worse defender than Jason fcking Terry:roll: :roll: :roll: or washed up Kidd even tho he had some good moments:no:

Kidd would still be a better defender than Dirk. C'mon son.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Easy 03 Spurs were the worst championship supporting cast in the past 20 years. They had to go through Kobe and Shaq get to the Finals. Even though they had Spurs twin towers.

The Rockets competition was easy during that run. Hakeem and Thorpe basically over power the other teams frontlines and Knicks had a worse squad than the Rockets built the same way.

:applause:

Even though they had 38 year old 8/7 "Twin Tower" David Robinson.

:rolleyes:

[SHAQisGOAT]

People forget Bird because he had no D. Arguably next to Dirk as the only title winner to be named FMVP and be the worst defender on the starting 5.

:facepalm Go throw that ignorance around somewhere else, child :oldlol:

Just in 1984, Bird led the league in DWS and was 2nd in DRtg (and he was doing that "stuff" before Parish, McHale or DJ even got there), obviously/easily leading the team as well.

On that Celtics team, apart from Bird, only Dennis Johnson was named to the all-defensive team (both 2nd team) and from a team stand-point Larry was the most impactful defender on the Celtics that year (and some others as well) despite not being the best 1on1 on-ball defender.

Oh, and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpEAZMT5t_U

Take that ether and keep quiet while the big-boys are talking about basketball, with actual knowledge.

[Nowitness]

:facepalm Go throw that ignorance around somewhere else, child :oldlol:

Just in 1984, Bird led the league in DWS and was 2nd in DRtg (and he was doing that "stuff" before Parish, McHale or DJ even got there), obviously/easily leading the team as well.

On that Celtics team, apart from Bird, only Dennis Johnson was named to the all-defensive team (both 2nd team) and from a team stand-point Larry was the most impactful defender on the Celtics that year (and some others as well) despite not being the best 1on1 on-ball defender.

Oh, and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpEAZMT5t_U

Take that ether and keep quiet while the big-boys are talking about basketball, with actual knowledge.


Pushing the white agenda. No ethers were dealt, unlike you I watched the league back then, and Bird got lit up by everyone, Nique was just the only recorded version.

[KOBE143]

Kobe 2009 and 2010 championship run.. His supporting cast is god awful.. We're lucky our Gawd has strong back to carry those scrubs.. I mean a team with Luke Walton, Derek fisher, Mbenga, Adam Morrison, Vujacic, Jordan Farmar, No Knee Bynum, etc.. That team has the worst supporting cast ever for a championship team and its not even close.. Kobe carried that team to back to back titles.. Just a proof of How Great Is Our Gawd..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9HjNWbJvA :cry: :cry: :cry:

[dubeta]

Easily 2013 Heat

Wade 15ppg in playoffs at awful shooting

Bosh 12ppg on awful shooting and no rebounding or defense (0 points in game 7)

Both didnt play defense and inefficient scorers

LeBron basically beat the Pacers by himself with Christina Bosh getting raped by Hibbert

And Heat had aging role players (34 year old birdman 37 year old allen who scored 0 points in Game 7)

No solid PG

Heck LeBron carried that entire team on scoring, rebounding, passing, defense

[Nowitness]

Kobe 2009 and 2010 championship run.. His supporting cast is god awful.. We're lucky our Gawd has strong back to carry those scrubs.. I mean a team with Luke Walton, Derek fisher, Mbenga, Adam Morrison, Vujacic, Jordan Farmar, No Knee Bynum, etc.. That team has the worst supporting cast ever for a championship team and its not even close.. Kobe carried that team to back to back titles.. Just a proof of How Great Is Our Gawd..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9HjNWbJvA :cry: :cry: :cry:

Gasol was the best player in 2010...

[Anaximandro1]

Duncan joined a team with a soon to be GOAT coach, one of the GOAT level centers as mentor and leader, and a bunch of HOF caliber euopean prospects.. he just had waaay more. And its not really that close.


Popovich was a bad coach (despised by the Spurs fanbase after he betrayed Bob Hill) on the brink on being fired after losing to the Utah Jazz on February 28, 1999 ... Fortunately, the Spurs won nine straight games. The 22-year-old Duncan averaged 25/11/2/3 TS 56% during the winning streak that saved Popovich's career.

The franchise was losing money playing at the Alamodome .... Duncan came up big in every crucial game and the Spurs won their first title in 1999. The first championship brought a new taxpayer-funded arena, vital for the economic survival. The referendum was held the same day the Spurs players received their rings.

October 1999 - Spurs Pressing To Get Out Vote In San Antonio
(http://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/31/sports/1999-2000-nba-preview-notebook-spurs-pressing-to-get-out-vote-in-san-antonio.html)
The owner, Peter Holt, is implying that he may move the team. Even the gracious David Robinson has joined the gallant fight to make the people of San Antonio pay for a new arena.

Warning the citizenry of the great catastrophe at hand if they fail to vote for a referendum on Tuesday, Robinson said: ''If they don't want the team there, that's fine. But they have to realize what comes with that or what goes with that.''


MySanAntonio
(http://blog.mysanantonio.com/buckharvey/2009/11/fire-pop-that-was-the-last-time/)[QUOTE]For some perspective, go back to the last time Popovich lost to the Jazz in San Antonio.[B] That was Feb. 28, 1999, in the Alamodome

[Nowitness]

Whoever doubts Duncan carried horrible teams, or doubts that he is the greatest PF, or claims Shaq/Kobe are better, this man above me just crushed you.