New Bob Cousy mix:

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-f5FoNuUvwDg/U8zWhfM7QyI/AAAAAAAAFPg/MCK5dgMK0Ms/s640/CousyYoutubeImage.jpg

http://youtu.be/_8IXS49q1DE

Happy Monday ISH, here it is :cheers:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Thanks for putting this up :applause: Gonna watch it, the draft version was already great.

[East_Stone_Ya]

awesome footage :applause:

[WillC]

One of the most enjoyable old school mixes I've seen. Simply incredible footage.

[russwest0]

Good shit like always OP

[CavaliersFTW]

This was a quick mix, probably isn't "all" my footage of Cousy. Unlike say, my Wilt or Baylor mixes that I create over the course of months, this was a spontaneous project created in just a few days with only a few sources. Dunno why I did it, just curiosity I guess. Quite obvious even from just a few minutes of clips Cousy was an incredibly gifted talent at running the fast break, and an absolutely brilliant passer.

[moe94]

Still think that shit at 0:18 is his best pass. Completely tricked me.

[CavaliersFTW]

Still think that shit at 0:18 is his best pass. Completely tricked me.
As far as points how about the reverse hook shot at 4:34

[turnaroundJ]

Cool footage. Question though - how many of these clips do you think are actually not sped up or slowed down?

[CavaliersFTW]

Cool footage. Question though - how many of these clips do you think are actually not sped up or slowed down?
Well I know I didn't touch 90% of them, most of Bob Cousy's footage isn't actually filmed in slow motion as the annoying trend of slow motion footage began in the mid 60's and carried on through the 1970's. Cousy was a 50's player and retired in 1963 as such, these were all real-time or my closest guesstimate to real-time. I bet you couldn't even guess which handful of clips were in slow motion and needed adjusted. One of them I left in slow motion because the shot would have been too brief in real time. That will probably give away the other ones that were in slow motion because they used the same camera angle.

[moe94]

As far as points how about the reverse hook shot at 4:34

Looked a bit awkward, tbh. 5:27 is awesome.

[CavaliersFTW]

One of the most enjoyable old school mixes I've seen. Simply incredible footage.
That's probably all on Cousy, he played with style

[Dragic4Life]

OP thinks we are 60 year olds with nothing better to do.:lol

[CavaliersFTW]

OP thinks we are 60 year olds with nothing better to do.:lol
To be fair, in your case you literally don't have anything better to do

[Dragic4Life]

To be fair, in your case you literally don't have anything better to do
Close to 10k posts vs 500. Who has nothing better to do again?:oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

Close to 10k posts vs 500. Who has nothing better to do again?:oldlol:
I'm not an alt though

[jongib369]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcywozpwKr1qmia6co1_500.jpg

http://www.atticpaper.com/prodimages/oj_cousy.jpg

All I need are some Kents and orange juice.... I'll be passing like the the Cooz in no time

[Pointguard]

That's great footage. Pistol Pete was Cousy reincarnated.

[CavaliersFTW]

That's great footage. Pistol Pete was Cousy reincarnated.
Sorta, but with a scoring arsenal and the polish of a literal lifetime of training, where as Cousy didn't pick up the sport of basketball until he was 13. Cousy was probably a more cerebral passer and "quarterback" though, for better or worse I think his more limited shooting skill made him a naturally more focused facilitator which at least for those Celtics, was perfect for their unselfish system. Pistol had more offensive moves than just about anyone I've seen under scrutiny though... he could pass like Cousy but hang and shoot and put english on the ball like a Kobe or a Jordan...

[CavaliersFTW]

Yo, Cousy experts from a couple weeks ago:

YouTube Bob Cousy and tell me what you think he'd do today. This scrub was considered "great" in Russell's era. Goes to show the garbage the way overrated Mr. Russell faced. A one handed chest high dribbling goofball is called the Houdini of the Hardwood:oldlol:

Gary Payton would have dat scrub crying all night and in a fetal position.

Anyone disagree?

Bob Cousy is one of the few players, from the footage im looking at, who doesnt impress at all... dont think his game would translate
Where u hiding? :confusedshrug:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

rarely dribbled with his left hand

[jlip]

His spin moves...:applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

rarely dribbled with his left hand
rarely displayed vision, control, IQ and timing in transition sub-par to Magic Johnson

[Roundball_Rock]

:applause: Repped.

[jongib369]

Do you happen to know his wingspan?

[fpliii]

:applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

Do you happen to know his wingspan?
I don't have any physical data on him unfortunately

[RoundMoundOfReb]

rarely displayed vision, control, IQ and timing in transition sub-par to Magic Johnson
Honest question: Do you watch this video and see somebody as comfortable dribbling with his left hand as modern day point guards?

[r0drig0lac]

:applause:

[jongib369]

I don't have any physical data on him unfortunately
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2jfwtjd.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Honest question: Do you watch this video and see somebody as comfortable dribbling with his left hand as modern day point guards?
I see somebody who dribbles with his palms down and never carries the basketball once, as per the rules of his era... and he STILL manages to keep that ball on a string...

You can't knock his handle unless you are blissfully unaware of the different rules. You try running through traffic with a basketball only being able to touch it palms down. Then we'll see how well you do it with your offhand.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I see somebody who dribbles with his palms down and never carries the basketball once, as per the rules of his era... and he STILL manages to keep that ball on a string...
Answer the question please...do you think he's as comfortable dribbling with his left hand as say somebody like Steve Nash?

[CavaliersFTW]

Answer the question please...do you think he's as comfortable dribbling with his left hand as say somebody like Steve Nash?
I did answer your question, quit acting needy it's not a good look

90% of the league today probably can't dribble the way Cousy is dribbling... right handed or left handed... players today dribble the ball like they are flipping pancakes just trying to bring it up court slowly

[jlip]

While he could, watch how seldom Magic ever dribbled with his left hand.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I did answer your question, quit acting needy it's not a good look

90% of the league today can't dribble the way Cousy is dribbling... right handed or left handed
no you didnt....and do you seriously think that if they started calling carrying more strictly that players would lose the ability to dribble with their left hands?

[CavaliersFTW]

no you didnt....and do you seriously think that if they started calling carrying more strictly that players would lose the ability to dribble with their left hands?
duh :hammerhead:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

While he could, watch how seldom Magic ever dribbled with his left hand.
magic was 6'8...and nobody really lists ball handling as a notable part of his game...great ball handler for his size - yes..

[jongib369]

Answer the question please...do you think he's as comfortable dribbling with his left hand as say somebody like Steve Nash?
What do you expect asking a question with an obvious agenda? He's actually going at your real point not the question itself

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What do you expect asking a question with an obvious agenda? He's actually going at your real point not the question itself

i dont have an agenda....im not one of those who hates on 60s players with the "weak era" nonsense..check my post history...i just pointed out that he looks like he was a poor ball handler...

[Straight_Ballin]

Cousy's passes made Stockon's look like that of a D-leaguer.

[CavaliersFTW]

i dont have an agenda....im not one of those who hates on 60s players with the "weak era" nonsense..check my post history...i just pointed out that he looks like he was a poor ball handler...
Clearly you don't know what makes players good or poor ball handlers... it isn't about which hand they handle the ball with, or even how they look doing it... it's how well they can keep that ball on a string. Creating and/or maintaing space away from the defense while simultaneously being able to go where they need to go while keeping the dribble alive.

Cousy did that as good as anyone. He's a great ball handler. Particularly considering the rules of ball handling that were enforced in his era, which made it particularly difficult to play the high speed penetrating game he played. My eyes were drawn to Frank Selvy in the 62 and 63 Finals games I combed through when pulling Cousy clips. Selvy had a great looking crossover and was dribbling ambidextrously throughout those games. But Selvy could not pass or keep that ball on a string like Cousy, didn't matter how often he switched hands with a nice tight cross, he just didn't have Cousy's level of control.

[jongib369]

i dont have an agenda....im not one of those who hates on 60s players with the "weak era" nonsense..check my post history...i just pointed out that he looks like he was a poor ball handler...
You're far into the green so I'll take your word on that lol. He probably wasn't AS comfortable with his left as he was his right...Including in comparison to players of today....But he looked to be more than capable of comfortably using it if needed. They were taught back then to use the strong hand 99% of the time, had he not had that philosophy instilled in him I think what I said would be a bit more apparent.

[jongib369]

How do you think he'd do in todays league Cavs? Particularly on D

[RoundMoundOfReb]

yeah...im not saying he was a bad player...some of those passes were incredible...somebody in another thread compared him to Rubio and i sort of see it...it just seemed really strange that he would never switch dribbling hands...i guess maybe he just didnt need to or it was a consequence of the rules..

[SHAQisGOAT]

magic was 6'8...and nobody really lists ball handling as a notable part of his game...great ball handler for his size - yes..

:coleman:

One of Magic's biggest assets was his ballhandling, especially on the break, especially while keepin control with a high dribble while going really fast, then able to do the "rest". Guess because he wasn't doing killer crossovers, he couldn't handle the rock :rolleyes: :facepalm

[SHAQisGOAT]

I see somebody who dribbles with his palms down and never carries the basketball once, as per the rules of his era... and he STILL manages to keep that ball on a string...

You can't knock his handle unless you are blissfully unaware of the different rules. You try running through traffic with a basketball only being able to touch it palms down. Then we'll see how well you do it with your offhand.

Well said.


How do you think he'd do in todays league Cavs? Particularly on D

To me, he always reminded me of Steve Nash (way before him) but without the elite shooting, although having better scoring moves/creativity from close range.

[jongib369]

Does anyone know how he fared against Robertson? If you want to know how he might do today looking at his stats VS a player like that could give you a small hint.

[jongib369]

Well said.



To me, he always reminded me of Steve Nash (way before him) but without the elite shooting, although having better scoring moves/creativity from close range.

So he's Steve Nash with his creativity and D mixed with Ricky Rubios FG%, but a better post repertoire. Haha

[RoundMoundOfReb]

i dont see steve nash at all...what makes steve nash steve nash is largely his shooting ability and offensive efficiency...also Nash has always been an elite finisher around the rim...

I see more rubio/kidd or a smaller poor man's magic maybe

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:coleman:

One of Magic's biggest assets was his ballhandling, especially on the break, especially while keepin control with a high dribble while going really fast, then able to do the "rest". Guess because he wasn't doing killer crossovers, he couldn't handle the rock :rolleyes: :facepalm


Where on earth did i say "he couldn't handle the rock"?

[SHAQisGOAT]

Where on earth did i say "he couldn't handle the rock"?

Hyperbole :rolleyes: You were acting like Magic wasn't a great ballhandler (regardless of size) and that it wasn't one of his biggest assets.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Hyperbole :rolleyes: You were acting like Magic wasn't a great ballhandler (regardless of size) and that it wasn't one of his biggest assets.
He was a great ball handler for his size...all time great caliber...but among HOF PGs his ball handling is not something notable

[SHAQisGOAT]

i dont see steve nash at all...what makes steve nash steve nash is largely his shooting ability and offensive efficiency...also Nash has always been an elite finisher around the rim...

I see more rubio/kidd or a smaller poor man's magic maybe

That's why I said Steve Nash without the J... Imo Cousy was more "capable" from close range. Nash was also a great passer and ballhandler, and I see plenty of his "style" in Cousy.

Magic and Kidd are too big to be compared, they were big PG's that could really rebound and Kidd was also a great defender, they did lots of damage in the post too, not the same "style" imho... Not even all that much for Rubio but a solid comparison yea, Cousy the much better player though.

[CavaliersFTW]

How do you think he'd do in todays league Cavs? Particularly on D
There's really not enough game material on him to know what he'd be like, we're probably only seeing a fragment of the variety of ways he could run a break and pass based on how creative he looks and how little footage actually exists of his career (and only a fragment of the twighlight of his career exists on film too). It looks like he played hard on either end depending on where the energy was needed. I was surprised how willing he was to get inside and rebound when I watched the two Finals games of his that exists, and as far as defense goes he will get in front of his man and he will get steals from passing lanes. Pretty routine stuff for a guard, never seen him block a shot in the few sources of footage of his that exists so he probably wasn't a shot blocking guard like say, Jerry West. I learned through testimony he was a very intense and focused competitor. Much like many of the all-time greats, in order to be an all-time great that intensity and focus from within seems to be a common denominator, which means only his talents are probably the only limiting factors in his game, how quick he could move his feet, his natural timing, etc. He probably put in work every way he could on either end. That mentality, and the extremely high aptitude for orchestrating an offense and handling a ball I see, are the two best things he's got going for him. How would he do today I don't know, but IMO his talents running the break remind me of Magic, and Magic was spectacular.

[Overdrive]

TBH I didn't enjoy this video as much as your others. Defenses collapse much more here than in the Oscar or Elgin vids I really loved. Especially Oscar had some tough covers and still made the shot or found the open man.

Maybe it's Cousy's passing that was feared so he would take guys of the dribble and then pass to the open man when a defender slides over, but most of the time there are huge defensive mistakes.

His skills were out of this world for that time still. Some clips I've seen already, but some were new to me and my mouth dropped a few times.

Overall another good vid, though.

Do you have a Sam Jones one? I'd be really interested.

[Overdrive]

He was a great ball handler for his size...all time great caliber...but among HOF PGs his ball handling is not something notable

Do you mean ball handling or dribbling the ball? Magic would do things only Pistol and Cousy have done before. Sure guys like Nash would dribble the ball around the paint twice without even getting close to being stripped, but Magic once he picked up his dribble would still have options. Most other point guards once they pick up the ball do predecided passes.

[CavaliersFTW]

TBH I didn't enjoy this video as much as your others. Defenses collapse much more here than in the Oscar or Elgin vids I really loved. Especially Oscar had some tough covers and still made the shot or found the open man.

Maybe it's Cousy's passing that was feared so he would take guys of the dribble and then pass to the open man when a defender slides over, but most of the time there are huge defensive mistakes.

His skills were out of this world for that time still. Some clips I've seen already, but some were new to me and my mouth dropped a few times.

Overall another good vid, though.

Do you have a Sam Jones one? I'd be really interested.
Well he's a fast-break guard, the fast break is exactly what Aurbach said, pushing the offense so that it is in place to score BEFORE the defense has time to get set. So if that's his speciality, of course we're not going to see him attacking guys who are in position to stop him. Baylor, West, Robertson, they could run the break too but they could/would destroy you in half court sets and iso's because they were such dominant and "complete" offensive players. Those guys are pre-Michael Jordan's, Kobe Bryant's, and Lebron's in how they played. Cousy was a pre-Magic Johnson. All about creating plays for his teammates on a fast break.

[Overdrive]

Yeah, but even in non break situations the defenses collapse much easier than in the other video, although they're at best only a few years off, but I guess it's the respect you get when you're a great passer.

I noticed myself if someone's a good passer I bite on the tiniest headfake.

[Pointguard]

He was a great ball handler for his size...all time great caliber...but among HOF PGs his ball handling is not something notable

Magic wasn't a fancy dribbler but he was among the best. You reach on Magic you paid much more than you did if you reach on CP3, whom most think has among the greatest handle. Magic preferred to keep the ball on his right hand so he throw a bullet pass with great velocity off the dribble. But he was very adept with his left hand. Very few players dribble very hard with their left hand, usually you have to be strong like Magic, Kidd, Wall and Rose to dribble like they do. Giannis has this ability which is why I find him really interesting.

[CavaliersFTW]

Let's say Bob Cousy and Derrick Fisher walk onto a playground, you get to pick one of them, the other goes to the other team. Bob Cousy literally is time traveled, he hasn't been told about the modern game so you'll have to be the one to tell him he can carry the ball, that a 3 point shot exists, and that he can wear longer shorts and change his shoes to a more comfortable pair of nike's if he wants. Fisher of course, is "time traveled" from in his prime and is a fully modern player. ...who do you pick?

From what I've seen... I wouldn't even hesitate to still pick Bob Cousy... Not only would you win you'd probably blow the other team off the court and look like assholes doing it catching Cousy's wrap around passes.

[CavaliersFTW]

How about Mario Chalmers? Would anyone straight faced prefer Mario Chalmers to be running their teams point duties over Bob Cousy? Does "modern nutrition and training" and being acclimated to the modern games rules really make Mario Chalmers a better player than Bob Cousy?

[jongib369]

Let's say Bob Cousy and Derrick Fisher walk onto a playground, you get to pick one of them, the other goes to the other team. Bob Cousy literally is time traveled, he hasn't been told about the modern game so you'll have to be the one to tell him he can carry the ball, that a 3 point shot exists, and that he can wear longer shorts and change his shoes to a more comfortable pair of nike's if he wants. Fisher of course, is "time traveled" from in his prime and is a fully modern player. ...who do you pick?

From what I've seen... I wouldn't even hesitate to still pick Bob Cousy... Not only would you win you'd probably blow the other team off the court and look like assholes doing it catching Cousy's wrap around passes.
The Cooz is a poor mans DAVID Stockton. After giving it a critical eye there's no other conclusion to come too so you're just wrong. It's been settled. Brb I need to find my meth

[Overdrive]

Let's say Bob Cousy and Derrick Fisher walk onto a playground, you get to pick one of them, the other goes to the other team. Bob Cousy literally is time traveled, he hasn't been told about the modern game so you'll have to be the one to tell him he can carry the ball, that a 3 point shot exists, and that he can wear longer shorts and change his shoes to a more comfortable pair of nike's if he wants. Fisher of course, is "time traveled" from in his prime and is a fully modern player. ...who do you pick?

From what I've seen... I wouldn't even hesitate to still pick Bob Cousy... Not only would you win you'd probably blow the other team off the court and look like assholes doing it catching Cousy's wrap around passes.

Depends on the situation:

Pick Up game in the park surely I take Cousy over Fisher. He can play his game.
GM in a draft I take Fisher, because he knows which defense he'll face. Cousy would need a year or two to accustom, but then he'd surely be better.

[played0ut]

I love me some cousy.


2nd best fast break PG of all time, according to Red. :applause:

[jongib369]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348516


How does this BS get more views than a freakin legend of the game?

:facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348516


How does this BS get more views than a freakin legend of the game?

:facepalm
:oldlol: hey man don't sell your thread short people love jersey talk :cheers:

[jongib369]

This thread is going to be forever bumped until I'm satisfied

[jongib369]

:oldlol: hey man don't sell your thread short people love jersey talk :cheers:
I literally expected 2-3 replies, just talking shit

"This confirms you're an old senile Wilt Stan in a young persons body"

[CavaliersFTW]

So everybody get a chance to see this by now? Curious some of the opinions of those who were more or less only aware of Cousy via the slow-mo gif

[CavaliersFTW]

Cousy turned 86 years old today. Long live Bob Cousy :applause:

[jongib369]

So everybody get a chance to see this by now? Curious some of the opinions of those who were more or less only aware of Cousy via the slow-mo gif
Knew more about him than the silly slow mo GIF but he actually surprised me. Knew he was a great passer but didn't realize just how elite he was in doing so especially on the break despite what I've heard....Haven't seen what he was capable of putting up against someone like Oscar or his other top piers at his position, but I think in the right system he could be valuable even today.....But, a major defensive liability despite his efforts... Imagine this happening quite often
http://youtu.be/GZ9mLzLIWbU?t=6s

[CavaliersFTW]

"Don't you ever miss?"

http://youtu.be/6gDLsZlLEPw

[stalkerforlife]

"Don't you ever miss?"

http://youtu.be/6gDLsZlLEPw

I had no idea that was Bob Cousy until now.

[Round Mound]

Unbelievable feel for the game, court vision, timing-passing, quickness, elegance and creativity.

Exactly: different rules.

Also watch how seldom did John Stockton dribble with his left hand? (played from 84-03 All Time Leader In Assist, All Time Leader In Steals, Highest APG Avg For Many Years etc) :confusedshrug: First you must dominate your best hand, if you don`t, then what`s the use for two hands? you are only allowed to dribble with one.

:bowdown:

[BoutPractice]

Plus the vid makes it clear that he has no problem changing hands whenever it's needed. He just doesn't do it when it's not.