I would start a franchise with Lebron rather than Shaq, Duncan, even MJ

[ekosky]

Guaranteed NON-first round exit every year :applause::applause:

[KBaller33]

Cool

[Lebronxrings]

depends. Are shaq, mj and duncan packaged with their stacked teams?

[JohnMax]

http://i40.tinypic.com/104nd6f.jpg

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Be careful of what you'd buy for him. A lot of stuff these days are choking hazards.

[Svendiggity]

Better get good shooters. Lebron pass the ball too much down the stretch in close games

[Nikola_]

Do you get 4 40% 3pt shooters with him?

[ekosky]

Guaranteed 60 wins every season too.

[T_L_P]

depends. Are shaq, mj and duncan packaged with their stacked teams?

Is LeBron's biggest threat Paul George?

[TMT]

He's without a doubt the hardest to build around out of the four. You would be making a mistake.

[Dragic4Life]

I agree with OP for the most part.

Toss-up between MJ and Lebron for me.:cheers:

[ekosky]

Where do these dumb n*gg**s come from? Honestly you had a tough day at burger king today? Fvcking flying fvcks these days :mad:
Get out of my thread

[SexSymbol]

Just ban him and dragic4life, what are you waiting for?
you've done this countless times, why let them get to 1k posts before you ban them for another month?

[Brokenbeat]

Where do these dumb n*gg**s come from? Honestly you had a tough day at burger king today? Fvcking flying fvcks these days :mad:

Why are you using an alt, 20four? :oldlol:

[Dragic4Life]

Where do these dumb n*gg**s come from? Honestly you had a tough day at burger king today? Fvcking flying fvcks these days :mad:
Why are you always so mad in Lebron threads?:lol

[ekosky]

Just ban him and dragic4life, what are you waiting for?
you've done this countless times, why let them get to 1k posts before you ban them for another month?
Why should i be banned? Because you disagree with me?? :oldlol: Weak dude

[Lebronxrings]

Is LeBron's biggest threat Paul George?
:facepalm the years he won, the pacers weren't even the biggest threat. You still salty over 2013 when we destroyed your stacked team?

Lebrons team: broken wade, top 40 player/***** bosh, terrible coach spo
duncans team:sixth man ginobili, top 3 pg parker, future finals mvp kawhi, sniper green, top 2 coach pop.

[Lebronxrings]

Why are you using an alt, 20four? :oldlol:
:lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:

[ekosky]

:facepalm the years he won, the pacers weren't even the biggest threat. You still salty over 2013 when we destroyed your stacked team?

Lebrons team: broken wade, top 40 player/***** bosh, terrible coach spo
duncans team:sixth man ginobili, top 3 pg parker, future finals mvp kawhi, sniper green, top 2 coach pop.
God you sound stupid... Makes it even worse that you're a Lebron fan. :facepalm

[Dragic4Life]

Just ban him and dragic4life, what are you waiting for?
you've done this countless times, why let them get to 1k posts before you ban them for another month?
"I disagree with these ppl, THEY SHOULD BE BANNED.":facepalm

Fggt.

[Lebronxrings]

God you sound stupid... Makes it even worse that you're a Lebron fan. :facepalm
not a lebron fan, just appreciate his game.

[dubeta]

I agree, we need to get some perspective

Shaq- jumps ship, lazy, average defender who gets out of shape, 6 great years MAX with him

MJ- one dimensional, bad for team chemistry, problem in locker room, needs lots of specialist players to even get out of the 1st round

Duncan- career sidekick player, loses in 1st round to the 8th seed :facepalm, chokes in finals, cant win without getting carried by role players. Basically irrelevant for the last 6 years

LeBron>> all and its not even close

[riseagainst]

I agree, we need to get some perspective

Shaq- jumps ship, lazy, average defender who gets out of shape, 6 great years MAX with him

MJ- one dimensional, bad for team chemistry, problem in locker room, needs lots of specialist players to even get out of the 1st round

Duncan- career sidekick player, loses in 1st round to the 8th seed :facepalm, chokes in finals, cant win without getting carried by role players. Basically irrelevant for the last 6 years

LeBron>> all and its not even close

:roll:
:roll:
:roll: :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

Duncan- career sidekick player, loses in 1st round to the 8th seed , chokes in finals, cant win without getting carried by role players. Basically irrelevant for the last 6 years

:coleman:

[deja vu]

Cmon I wouldn't even take LeBron over Duncan, much less Shaq or Jordan.

[Dragic4Life]

Cmon I wouldn't even take LeBron over Duncan, much less Shaq or Jordan.
It's like...your opinion man...

[T_L_P]

Cmon I wouldn't even take LeBron over Duncan, much less Shaq or Jordan.

Duncan and Shaq are right on the same tier. :confusedshrug:

But I agree. Basketball is not a hypothetical game. Jordan, Shaq and Duncan simply have done more.

[SOD 21]

Easy...

1) Jordan
2) Duncan
3) Shaq
4) Lebron

LeBron James is the scrub of this group with only two rings in five NBA finals appearances and he's lucky that it isn't one title out of five appearances.

[Beastmode88]

I agree, we need to get some perspective

Shaq- jumps ship, lazy, average defender who gets out of shape, 6 great years MAX with him

MJ- one dimensional, bad for team chemistry, problem in locker room, needs lots of specialist players to even get out of the 1st round

Duncan- career sidekick player, loses in 1st round to the 8th seed :facepalm, chokes in finals, cant win without getting carried by role players. Basically irrelevant for the last 6 years

LeBron>> all and its not even close

you just listed all of lebron's traits thanks bro.

[Lebronxrings]

Duncan and Shaq are right on the same tier. :confusedshrug:

But I agree. Basketball is not a hypothetical game. Jordan, Shaq and Duncan simply have done more.
:biggums:

[pegasus]

That's why you are not starting a franchise and serving french fries instead.

[T_L_P]

:biggums:

Shaq has even said so. Duncan has more rings, MVPs, same number of Finals MVPs, same number of All-NBA teams, and 11 more All-Defensive teams.

[kennethgriffin]

put shaq, duncan, mj or any other all time great in the 2004 to 2014 eastern confrence and they don't lose a 1st round series either ( btw lebron missed the playoffs his first 2 years... just an FYI



oh yeah and do you really want your franchise to be 2 for 5 in nba finals

[sportjames23]

Guaranteed NON-first round exit every year :applause::applause:

Guaranteed to miss the playoffs your first two years (Bran stans ALWAYS fail to mention that) and then go 2/5 in the Finals.

[T_L_P]

Guaranteed to miss the playoffs your first two years (Bran stans ALWAYS fail to mention that) and then go 2/5 in the Finals.

It's hilarious. Then when you call them on it they'll say he wasn't in his prime. Duncan didn't lose in the first round in his prime, so the whole "he's the only guy who guarantees a second round appearance" narrative is gone.

:oldlol:

[Dragic4Life]

It's hilarious. Then when you call them on it they'll say he wasn't in his prime. Duncan didn't lose in the first round in his prime, so the whole "he's the only guy who guarantees a second round appearance" narrative is gone.

:oldlol:
Did Lebron have DRob straight out of the draft? Idiot.

[T_L_P]

Did Lebron have DRob straight out of the draft? Idiot.

I guess not. But did LeBron have to face Shaq or Paul Pierce every year?

Help needs to be balanced with competition. Duncan had more help (by a healthy margin), LeBron faced infinitely weaker comp. :confusedshrug:

[Dragic4Life]

I guess not. But did LeBron have to face Shaq or Paul Pierce every year?

Help needs to be balanced with competition. Duncan had more help (by a healthy margin), LeBron faced infinitely weaker comp. :confusedshrug:
Boston big 3 is now "infinitely weaker comp"?

Die in a fire.

[played0ut]

I acknowledge MJ as GOAT.

But when starting a franchise, even i'd be hard pressed to pick him first over all time great centers, at least in the 80's/90's.



But with the way the game is played now (no handcheck, 3 second rule, offensive fouls called, and with zone), I'll pick MJ.

[Roundball_Rock]

Guaranteed to miss the playoffs your first two years (Bran stans ALWAYS fail to mention that) and then go 2/5 in the Finals.

He was fresh out of high school. If he went to college like 99% of players he would have entered the NBA better than he was straight out of high school. Since he turned 21 it has been 50+ (60% win rate) and the second round at minimum.

How can his two years out of high school be used against him? Kobe, KG were doing nothing in their first two years.

[Overdrive]

Shaq missed the playoffs twice in his career as a 20 year old rookie and as a 36 year old.
He lost in the first round four times. By the age of barely 22(became 22 right before the playoffs) and 35 onwards.
Both made the finals at roughly the same age and got swept by a former champion(in case of Shaq the reigning one).

Lebron missed the playoffs twice. As a 19 yo rookie and a 20 yo sophomore.

Don't see anything that would swing the argument in any direction.

Shaq won more, but his career is over.

[icemanfan]

Guaranteed NON-first round exit every year :applause::applause:
great , he may even come back to your franchise at some point.

[icemanfan]

put shaq, duncan, mj or any other all time great in the 2004 to 2014 eastern confrence and they don't lose a 1st round series either ( btw lebron missed the playoffs his first 2 years... just an FYI



oh yeah and do you really want your franchise to be 2 for 5 in nba finals

yep

[russwest0]

wait, who the **** would Shaq or MJ lose to the first round vs in the modern east?

[russwest0]

That's why you are not starting a franchise and serving french fries instead.

http://i.imgur.com/iaqCixp.gif

[buddha]

Shaq is the easiest to build around so I would start with him. get a pg, a couple shooters and defenders and you're instantly one of the favorites.

[dubeta]

Shaq jumps ship every 2-3 years

Duncan is an average player whos legacy is vastly overrated due to stacked teams

Jordan is a inefficient chucker, cant defend, score as efficiently, pass, rebound like lebron


Lebron is the obvious choice and if you disagree you're a fakkit

[SpecialQue]

What the ****...this retard's from 2007? What alt has he been using in the meantime?

[T_L_P]

Shaq jumps ship every 2-3 years

Duncan is an average player whos legacy is vastly overrated due to stacked teams

Jordan is a inefficient chucker, cant defend, score as efficiently, pass, rebound like lebron


Lebron is the obvious choice and if you disagree you're a fakkit

LeBron literally just gave up a Finals MVP to the guy he was supposed to be guarding.

Did Jordan or Duncan ever do that?

[ekosky]

What the ****...this retard's from 2007? What alt has he been using in the meantime?
No alt here. just got sick of posting on RGM really. this place seems more open and entertaining...

[GoSpursGo1984]

Shaq jumps ship every 2-3 years

Duncan is an average player whos legacy is vastly overrated due to stacked teams

Jordan is a inefficient chucker, cant defend, score as efficiently, pass, rebound like lebron


Lebron is the obvious choice and if you disagree you're a fakkit

Average player he is a top ten all time player. Stacked teams you mean Tony Parker who was drafted 28th and Manu who was drafted in the second round? He also played with Bruce Bowen, Matt Bonner, Steve Kerr, Speedy Claxon, Brent Barry but yeah it was stacked lol.

[dubeta]

LeBron literally just gave up a Finals MVP to the guy he was supposed to be guarding.

Did Jordan or Duncan ever do that?

Duncan lost to the 8th seed team as the #1 seed

Duncan missed a layup to win a ring

trust me Duncans career is far more embarassing than any other player

the fact u stan him as a Top 10 GOAT is cringeworthy

[sekachu]

Guaranteed NON-first round exit every year :applause::applause:



What kind of thought are you smoking?

First of all, lebron missed playoff in his first 2 years.

The most funny part is that you chose 2/5 rather than 6/6 because the reason you listed above.

Today kids :lol

[T_L_P]

Duncan lost to the 8th seed team as the #1 seed

Duncan missed a layup to win a ring

trust me Duncans career is far more embarassing than any other player

the fact u stan him as a Top 10 GOAT is cringeworthy

There's hardly any debate that he's not a top 10 player.

But of course in your pathetic universe the only player in the top 10 is Bran. Everyone else is a scrub. :oldlol:

LeBron has 2 rings in the weakest era of basketball. Dude comes up short almost every time. Provide him with one of the best defenses in the league and a bunch of shooters and you get nothing. Give him two franchise players and he still manages to choke a ring away and give up on the next one.

All good though. LeBron has a lot of time to enter the top 10. :cheers:

[GrapeApe]

Duncan lost to the 8th seed team as the #1 seed

Duncan missed a layup to win a ring

trust me Duncans career is far more embarassing than any other player

the fact u stan him as a Top 10 GOAT is cringeworthy

How is this allowed to continue?

[dubeta]

There's hardly any debate that he's not a top 10 player.

But of course in your pathetic universe the only player in the top 10 is Bran. Everyone else is a scrub. :oldlol:

LeBron has 2 rings in the weakest era of basketball. Dude comes up short almost every time. Provide him with one of the best defenses in the league and a bunch of shooters and you get nothing. Give him two franchise players and he still manages to choke a ring away and give up on the next one.

All good though. LeBron has a lot of time to enter the top 10. :cheers:

LMAO playing Ducan 3 times in the Finals is a weak era :oldlol:

you just dissed Duncan

Unless you try and BS "oh old Duncan past his prime" where you then have to admit Duncan is washed up and didnt matter in this years rings

you fail no matter how you spin this :oldlol:

[Anaximandro1]

smart people learn from experience.

At age 37/38 Duncan was the best big man on the court in almost every playoff series. He should have won the FMVP in 2013, but Ray bailed out Bron.

We know what happened in 2014 (We'll do it this time)

if you took a 22 year old Duncan/Shaq and put him in today's NBA, it's game over for LeBron. Simple as that.

And Jordan is a tier above Duncan/Shaq. The biggest difference between Jordan and Bron is that Jordan is a great basketball player first and foremost, and then is a great athlete; Bron is a great athlete and a good basketball player.

Jordan's drive to win is the icing on the cake.

[sportjames23]

It's hilarious. Then when you call them on it they'll say he wasn't in his prime. Duncan didn't lose in the first round in his prime, so the whole "he's the only guy who guarantees a second round appearance" narrative is gone.

:oldlol:


:cheers:

[sportjames23]

He was fresh out of high school. If he went to college like 99% of players he would have entered the NBA better than he was straight out of high school. Since he turned 21 it has been 50+ (60% win rate) and the second round at minimum.

How can his two years out of high school be used against him? Kobe, KG were doing nothing in their first two years.


Fresh out of high school, yet being hyped as future GOAT.

Can't have it both ways.

[To4]

Nah.. dont want to have lebron to hostage my team. and will make his decision live and jump to another team..

Jordan
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe


Lebron

[Soundwave]

Neither Shaq or Jordan put on any team in the modern East would lose in the 1st round. This is a conference where Demar Derozan + Kyle Lowrie is good enough to win you the Atlantic Division.

2/5 thread.