Paul Pierce couldn't stand D-Will?

[gigantes]

i guess that partly explains his leaving the nets.

cliffs notes: the lead writer (net income) for the top nets news and analysis site (netsdaily) just dropped this bombshell in the comments section.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2014/7/21/5924467/andrei-kirilenko-denies-trashing-jason-kidd-in-russian-news-report

most ppl assumed it was blatche, who was sort of universally hated, but looks like it was d-will. apparently not a talent and performance thing, but a personality thing.

wonder how he works out with john wall...

[plowking]

Pierce is a c*nt though. Who cares what he thinks?

[Real14]

Pierce needs to retire already.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I mean didn't D-Will basically get Sloan to retire because the two couldn't get along?

Also I think I read at some point that Kidd didn't get along with D-Will either. The dude is a douche.

[niko]

They seem to keep implying the Nets didn't keep Blatche because of just being unfocused, but considering his production, the fact they won't offer him anything (not even $1), that seems a stretch. A productive big, he's a bit unfocused, you ship him out? Has to be more than that.

Nets seem a bit dysfunctional coming into this season.

[ProfessorMurder]

Pierce is a c*nt though. Who cares what he thinks?

Good one.

[niko]

It couldn't have been a total deal breaker considering Pierce called the Nets and told them what his wizards offer was just in case they could match.

[mattvNJ]

Dont blame him, i hate even watching deron play. Plays pretty sorrily this last year. No heart, streaky as can be, injuries. I really wish we went in a different directions in regards to a "franchise" level player. Total system guy. Wish we retained livingston and just gained depth.

[gigantes]

They seem to keep implying the Nets didn't keep Blatche because of just being unfocused, but considering his production, the fact they won't offer him anything (not even $1), that seems a stretch. A productive big, he's a bit unfocused, you ship him out? Has to be more than that.

Nets seem a bit dysfunctional coming into this season.
actually i think they're making a hell of a lot more sense lately, but that goes hand in hand with not deluding themselves into title hopes. last offseason seemed exciting and promising in a naive puppy dog way.

blatche, i think they are really trying for character people, now. he's a good backup but you never know what you'll get from him. plumlee is a far better professional, so if he can play some PF this year it's a win. blatche was never about the future.

[mattvNJ]

actually i think they're making a hell of a lot more sense lately, but that goes hand in hand with not deluding themselves into title hopes. last offseason seemed exciting and promising in a naive puppy dog way.

blatche, i think they are really trying for character people, now. he's a good backup but you never know what you'll get from him. plumlee is a far better professional, so if he can play some PF this year it's a win. blatche was never about the future.

Plumlee gets better everytime hes on the court. High motor big. Love what he brings. Also Blatche you are way too correct. Either hes looking like a damn stud with a allstar ceiling or hes a turd. Blatche was a win now move also like you stated. Good post.

[Legends66NBA7]

OP, what's your expectation for the Nets next season ?

Expected wins ? Ceiling ?

[GimmeThat]

I sure hope so.

that squad didn't do sh*t.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Dwill has a poor attitude work ethic and competitiveness. All the talent in the bball world but that's y he will never go down as an all time great. His legacy will be the same as Marvin Williams the nikka who got picked ov er cp3

[gigantes]

Plumlee gets better everytime hes on the court. High motor big. Love what he brings. Also Blatche you are way too correct. Either hes looking like a damn stud with a allstar ceiling or hes a turd. Blatche was a win now move also like you stated. Good post.
go nets!


OP, what's your expectation for the Nets next season ?

Expected wins ? Ceiling ?
good question. the loss of s-dot hurts... blatche and PP not so much to me. they got some steals in the draft and bogs is finally coming over from europe.

AK47 should have a bigger role this season and i expect KG to bounce back a little. d-will's in better shape with his ankles from what i read a little while back. hollins was a nice pickup, so coaching level should remain about the same.

obviously the big questions are lopez and d-will, followed by the MVP from last season, joe johnson. (i.e. will the aging star be able to keep it up?)

lot of variables in play but i guess i'll go for about the same win total as last year, maybe a couple games less. the upside is pretty good given players like teletovvy, a healthy bropez, bogs and the rooks. 1st or 2nd round playoff exit seems most likely.

[moe94]

Dwill has a poor attitude work ethic and competitiveness. All the talent in the bball world but that's y he will never go down as an all time great. His legacy will be the same as Marvin Williams the nikka who got picked ov er cp3

Deron Williams was once an elite PG. Marvin Williams was never a great or even good player. :coleman:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Deron Williams was once an elite PG. Marvin Williams was never a great or even good player. :coleman:
True but nikkaz won't remember that in a decade they hardly remember cats like Mark Price who was greater than Dwill

[D-FENS]

Pierce is a c*nt though. Who cares what he thinks?

I'm a lifelong C's fan, and Pierce is a dick. He's just not a nice person to deal with.

I'm sure he's a good teammate though, his teammates in later years seem to love him. Earlier though, not so much

[D-FENS]

True but nikkaz won't remember that in a decade they hardly remember cats like Mark Price who was greater than Dwill

Exactly. People will see Deron's resume and be miffed that he scored 57 once. He'll be viewed as a Michael Adams level player, a system player.

After all, Deron has been nothing without Jerry Sloan's system. Much like Carlos Boozer.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Pierce is a c*nt though. Who cares what he thinks?

Players who have won with him. Also a "c*nt" - Jordan, Kobe, Bird, KG, etc. Keep standing up for Deron Williams though, he's got lots of players/coaches/front office guys who will back you up :D :D :D LOLOLOLOL

[chocolatethunder]

Deron Williams was once an elite PG. Marvin Williams was never a great or even good player. :coleman:
I gotta he honest, even when he was good I thought he was overrated. Now? He's pathetic.

[moe94]

I gotta he honest, even when he was good I thought he was overrated. Now? He's pathetic.

Yeah, but you hate almost everything. :coleman:

[gigantes]

as a nets fan i'm not exactly thrilled with d-will, but most ppl seem pretty oblivious to some basic facts about the guy...


- he came in and averaged 20 and 10 in a completely new system his first year. say what you want about the guy, but he's obviously way more than just a system player.

- unfortunately, and worst of all, he developed recurring wrist and ankle problems roughly around the time of the trade. these have been nagging him almost his whole nets career, and if you follow sports, you should know that stuff of this nature can easily make a top player look all too average.

- for whatever reasons, avery johnson and kidd tended to play him off the ball. most likely due to the combination of personnel, but still... the team's best passer didn't have the ball nearly as much as he would in most places. go figure.

- his teammates and most nets writers consistently call him the most talented player on the team. okay obviously that's not enough by itself, and it just makes everything more frustrating, but hey... they don't just say that shit for no reason.

just keepin it real

[SupermanOnSteroids]

I mean didn't D-Will basically get Sloan to retire because the two couldn't get along?

Also I think I read at some point that Kidd didn't get along with D-Will either. The dude is a douche.

The two are actually great friends off the court. Even go on vacations together.

[outbreak]

How much of him not liking Williams comes down to him coming off playing with a guy like Rondo? Rondos one of the hardest working guards in the league and plays through everything and has a mentalitity to make everyone else better. Isn't scared to take responsibility for his actions either. Williams is a primadona who likes to blame everyone else and gives off the vibe he is happy being mediocre so long as he puts up stats.

[Tarik One]

If a person doesn't get along with another person, it doesn't automatically mean that the other person is the one with the issues.

[Nets fan 93]

He has a very very dry sense of humor. Full of dry sarcastic remarks too. I don't think I would like him either. But... Hey at least he does him.

[ihatetimthomas]

I dont think anyone in the NBA has fallen off so fast. Only one who fell faster and harder is Gilbert Arenas. DWill was living off his god given talent during his youth and now that he is aging and getting injured, you see him for what he is. You see no fire, no passion, no leadership. The great players will refine their game and train harder as they age because thats whats necessary to play at a high level as you leave your prime.

[theaussieguy]

I dont think anyone in the NBA has fallen off so fast. Only one who fell faster and harder is Gilbert Arenas. DWill was living off his god given talent during his youth and now that he is aging and getting injured, you see him for what he is. You see no fire, no passion, no leadership. The great players will refine their game and train harder as they age because thats whats necessary to play at a high level as you leave your prime.

Its funny how fast ish forgets, when i first starting coming here maybe 09-10 cant remember exactly, it was pretty much an ish consensus that d-will was playing as good if not better than cp3. I remember turning on Jazz games and seeing Derron come out with spectacular ball control and crossovers and going up for hard dunks. I feel like hes just lost his athleticism. He was always very athletic for his build but in general not super athletic. However his size and combination of athleticism really did a number on team defenses. I can't help but feel like just a fraction of loss in his jumping ability/first-step/confidence was enough to shake his entire game into what it is today, erratic and without confidence, in other words his game was always sitting on a needle point.

[ihatetimthomas]

Its funny how fast ish forgets, when i first starting coming here maybe 09-10 cant remember exactly, it was pretty much an ish consensus that d-will was playing as good if not better than cp3. I remember turning on Jazz games and seeing Derron come out with spectacular ball control and crossovers and going up for hard dunks. I feel like hes just lost his athleticism. He was always very athletic for his build but in general not super athletic. However his size and combination of athleticism really did a number on team defenses. I can't help but feel like just a fraction of loss in his jumping ability/first-step/confidence was enough to shake his entire game into what it is today, erratic and without confidence, in other words his game was always sitting on a needle point.

He was a very complete point guard. Had range, can take you off the dribble, very good passer. It was CP3 and Deron and 1a and 1b in he pg rankings. As soon as he left Utah, he fell off hard. A lot due to injuries, but a lot due to his lack of hunger. He doesnt have the assertiveness he once had and he clearly lost a step. For a guy who thrived off his first step, thats huge.

[AintNoSunshine]

Don't know why these million dollar grown men have to be such prima donnas. Just go in and do your job, which is playing basketball, why do you have to love the other coworkers? Fukk Pierce, always been a prima donna bish.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Dwill has a poor attitude work ethic and competitiveness. All the talent in the bball world but that's y he will never go down as an all time great. His legacy will be the same as Marvin Williams the nikka who got picked ov er cp3

Say what you want about D-Will, I wish the Hawks had picked him over Marvin soooooo badly

Would've rather gotten CP3 obviously but still...

[It's A VC3!!!]

Paul is a winner and does not like weakness or losing. Deron doesn't care to lead and quite frankly, he is complacent with losing and playing sub-par. Pierce became my favorite Net and I loved his passion and emotion game-to-game. You rarely see that in the league these days and I will miss him. The Nets will be an average team next season and a second round (likely first round) exit.

[bizil]

He was a very complete point guard. Had range, can take you off the dribble, very good passer. It was CP3 and Deron and 1a and 1b in he pg rankings. As soon as he left Utah, he fell off hard. A lot due to injuries, but a lot due to his lack of hunger. He doesnt have the assertiveness he once had and he clearly lost a step. For a guy who thrived off his first step, thats huge.

I agree! D Will was the new breed of the 6'3 to 6'4 PG who was the total package on both sides of the rock. U had Clyde Frazier, then Dennis Johnson, then Sugar Ray Richardson for a while, The Glove, Kidd, Chauncey, and then D-Will. All of those guys at one time or another were a top five PG in the L. With Kidd, GP, and D-Will as arguably the best PG at times in their respective era. And D-Will had alpha dog level scoring, which separates him from some of the guys I mentioned.

Some guys are just more injury prone than others. D-Will as of now looks like that type of case. But at his best and healthy, I think he was the most complete PG in the L and arguably FLAT OUT the best PG. Slightly over Paul because of size and versatility reasons. Over Rose and Westbrook because he's a better floor general. Over Rondo because he can score better and had alpha dog level takeover ability.