Now that Kobe is finished....

[Im Still Ballin]

Where does he rank in the all time list?

I have him roughly around 13-15 ish, just short of the top 10. Many props to the little guy. Had a great career!

[JohnFreeman]

11-15

[Real14]

Mods??

[GODbe]

Top 1.

[Real14]

Top 1.
Whoa let's not go overboard here:lol

[Sakkreth]

12-14. There is nothing he can realistically do anymore to have impact on that even if he's not entirely done.

[Im Still Ballin]

Honest ranking guys. Please.

He was an all-star talent, no doubt. But he lacked ability. Not quite in the ranks of generational talents such as Shaq/MJ/Hakeem/Dirk/Lebron/Wade/Robinson/Duncan/Garnett

I feel he is in that group of guys who never really 'made it' in the NBA... everything was always too much for them. Guys like Carter/McGrady/Nash/Allen/Dwight/Amare/Curry/Turiaf/Smush/Boozer/

Well anyways. Like to hear your thoughts ISH!

[Ramza]

Behind Iverson.

[mattvNJ]

top ten obviously the bottom half.

[choppermagic]

Top 10.

People have a hard time evaluating a player and his impact until they are gone, but this guy has done it all. 7 Finals, 5 rings, countless memorable battles and games including an 81 point ridiculous night.

Will end up 3rd all time in scoring, 1st in playoffs.

Other Laker greats are calling him the greatest Laker.

[Dragic4Life]

13th on the all time list.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

8-13 range

[VengefulAngel]

Kobe was done a year ago.... 11th don't mind if some say top 10.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

9-12

[r15mohd]

Top 10.

People have a hard time evaluating a player and his impact until they are gone, but this guy has done it all. 7 Finals, 5 rings, countless memorable battles and games including an 81 point ridiculous night.

Will end up 3rd all time in scoring, 1st in playoffs.

Other Laker greats are calling him the greatest Laker.


yet still ranked below KAJ Magic and Shaq...those greats don't make much sense now do they? :confusedshrug:

[Artillery]

12-15 range

Couple knocks against him:

-Missed the playoffs in his prime
-Won the majority of his championships as a sidekick
-One-way player that never impacted the game on the defensive end
-Never won MVP + Finals MVP in the same season(MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Hakeem, Moses all did this)
- Never was individually dominant enough to accumulate enough accolades to put him in the top ten. MVP+Finals MVP tally:

11 - MJ
8 - Kareem
6 - Magic
6 - Lebron
5 - Russell
5 - Duncan
5 - Bird
5 - Wilt
4 - Shaq
4 - Moses Malone
3 - Hakeem
3 - Kobe

[Smook A.]

Whoa let's not go overboard here:lol
Anything GODbe says is retarded. Don't take him seriously.

[Heavincent]

6-10

[fourkicks44]

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http://img0035.popscreencdn.com/110645454_-kobe-bryant-best-of-philly-august-2002-philadelphia-.jpg

[Smook A.]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Bill Russell
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaquillle O'Neal
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Oscar Robertson
12. Julius Erving
13. LeBron James
14. Jerry West
15. Karl Malone

When LeBron's career ends, he will definitely move up. As of right now that's my list and I have Kobe at 8. You can hate the guy all you want but you can't ignore the success he's had since joining the league in '96.

[Roundball_Rock]

10th, right behind LeBron and ahead of Hakeem. He did not have the same level of individual dominance at his peak/in his prime that the guys ahead of him had.

[Imtheman]

Top 10 no doubt.

[Fudge]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Bill Russell
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaquillle O'Neal
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Oscar Robertson
12. Julius Erving
13. LeBron James
14. Jerry West
15. Karl Malone

When LeBron's career ends, he will definitely move up. As of right now that's my list and I have Kobe at 8. You can hate the guy all you want but you can't ignore the success he's had since joining the league in '96.
Nice list, Smooky.

[sportjames23]

12-15 range

Couple knocks against him:

-Missed the playoffs in his prime
-Won the majority of his championships as a sidekick
-One-way player that never impacted the game on the defensive end
-Never won MVP + Finals MVP in the same season(MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Hakeem, Moses all did this)
- Never was individually dominant enough to accumulate enough accolades to put him in the top ten. MVP+Finals MVP tally:

11 - MJ
8 - Kareem
6 - Magic
6 - Lebron
5 - Russell
5 - Duncan
5 - Bird
5 - Wilt
4 - Shaq
4 - Moses Malone
3 - Hakeem
3 - Kobe


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[riseagainst]

12-15 range

Couple knocks against him:

-Missed the playoffs in his prime
-Won the majority of his championships as a sidekick
-One-way player that never impacted the game on the defensive end
-Never won MVP + Finals MVP in the same season(MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Hakeem, Moses all did this)
- Never was individually dominant enough to accumulate enough accolades to put him in the top ten. MVP+Finals MVP tally:

11 - MJ
8 - Kareem
6 - Magic
6 - Lebron
5 - Russell
5 - Duncan
5 - Bird
5 - Wilt
4 - Shaq
4 - Moses Malone
3 - Hakeem
3 - Kobe

what?
:coleman:

[Beastmode88]

12-15 range

Couple knocks against him:

-Missed the playoffs in his prime
-Won the majority of his championships as a sidekick
-One-way player that never impacted the game on the defensive end
-Never won MVP + Finals MVP in the same season(MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Hakeem, Moses all did this)
- Never was individually dominant enough to accumulate enough accolades to put him in the top ten. MVP+Finals MVP tally:

11 - MJ
8 - Kareem
6 - Magic
6 - Lebron
5 - Russell
5 - Duncan
5 - Bird
5 - Wilt
4 - Shaq
4 - Moses Malone
3 - Hakeem
3 - Kobe

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: good one sir

[sportjames23]

Kobe retiring or something, OP? Looked around and didn't see anything, so he's not done.

[chosen_one6]

Kobe retiring or something, OP? Looked around and didn't see anything, so he's not done.

No, but he might as well retire. He's got nothing left to play for except chucking for the all time scoring record.

[IllegalD]

Top 5.

And if he comes back from the achilles injury to play at an all-star level again that will elevate his legendary legacy even more.

[fpliii]

Don't have a GOAT list, but I'm always surprised when looking at it others' lists. People really, really undervalue the all-time great bigs.

[crisoner]

12-15 range

Couple knocks against him:

-Missed the playoffs in his prime ...you mean the season where he was INJURED?
-Won the majority of his championships as a sidekick...this is stupid...check the WCF stats during those runs. Now shut the f*ck up with that BS.
-One-way player that never impacted the game on the defensive end...how many first team defense nods does Kobe have? SMH
-Never won MVP + Finals MVP in the same season(MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Hakeem, Moses all did this)
- Never was individually dominant enough to accumulate enough accolades to put him in the top ten. MVP+Finals MVP tally:

11 - MJ
8 - Kareem
6 - Magic
6 - Lebron
5 - Russell
5 - Duncan
5 - Bird
5 - Wilt
4 - Shaq
4 - Moses Malone
3 - Hakeem
3 - Kobe

Regular season MVP's or overrated.
Kobe Shaq etc. should have more.

[pastis]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Bill Russell
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaquillle O'Neal
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Oscar Robertson
12. Julius Erving
13. LeBron James
14. Jerry West
15. Karl Malone

When LeBron's career ends, he will definitely move up. As of right now that's my list and I have Kobe at 8. You can hate the guy all you want but you can't ignore the success he's had since joining the league in '96.

so where is dirk? west, malon, erving before dirk?

i have kobe 10-15th range. but i have to disagree with andro: he is saying, that kobe had most of his rings as a sidekick: so what about duncan?: kobes 2001,2002,2009 and 2010 chip are statswise way more impressive than duncans rings in 05/07/14.. so who was the sidekick here =). where is the logic

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe ain't done and he has already cemented himself as the GOAT #6

[dubeta]

Kobe's a 45% shooter therefore no argument for top 10

[TMacYaoRockets]

Behind Iverson.
Iverson hasn't done much.

[TMacYaoRockets]

Kobe's a 45% shooter therefore no argument for top 10
Then Bill Russell isn't top 10 either.

[KingLeBronJames]

Where does he rank in the all time list?

I have him roughly around 13-15 ish, just short of the top 10. Many props to the little guy. Had a great career!
When did Kobe announced his retirement?

[Cold soul]

Top 10 for sure most have Kobe ranked in 5-9 range. I personally have him ranked #6 where he should be.

[Cold soul]

If Kobe becomes the NBA greatest scorer of all-time and passes Kareem does he move up a spot or two? Or passes Malone more likely to become 2nd most points scored in NBA history. I think his resume alone would warrant top 5 consideration at the very least.

[SexSymbol]

I love how after LeBron getting spanked by the spurs Kobe was appreciated like never before and constantly getting mentioned as a top 5 player here. Now that fakkits, who are cleveland fans again, crawled up from their holes, he's suddenly in the 11-15 range again :D

Literally no case to have him lower than 9 even if you're the biggest hater on the planet.
Possibly the greatest laker ever, legit case for top 5

[Cold soul]

I love how after LeBron getting spanked by the spurs Kobe was appreciated like never before and constantly getting mentioned as a top 5 player here. Now that fakkits, who are cleveland fans again, crawled up from their holes, he's suddenly in the 11-15 range again :D

Literally no case to have him lower than 9 even if you're the biggest hater on the planet.
Possibly the greatest laker ever, legit case for top 5

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-Js0OTo6mgKs/UnL4CvQ52SI/AAAAAAAAAvI/UYqhYREz1tw/s0/29%252520MMLP2.gif

[Cold soul]

Jordan
Wilt
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Bird
Shaq
Russell
Kareem
Hakeem

Who does he have a case against? :roll:

The players in bold Kobe has good case as being the greater player with the better legacy.

[SexSymbol]

Jordan
Wilt
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Bird
Shaq
Russell
Kareem
Hakeem

Who does he have a case against? :roll:
Wilt Lebron Magic Bird Hakeem Shaq Duncan

MJ KAJ and Russell are out of reach as of now, but any other player is either passed years ago or in debate

[Artillery]

Wilt Lebron Magic Bird Hakeem Shaq Duncan

MJ KAJ and Russell are out of reach as of now, but any other player is either passed years ago or in debate


Lebron's a beast. Much better stats and already has the same amount of Finals MVPs. Only thing Lebron is missing is those extra sidekick rings of Kobe's.

Magic:
5/3/3>>>>5/2/1

Duncan:
5/3/2>>>>5/2/1

Shaq won the majority of Kobe's rings for him. Much more dominant in his prime.

Hakeem has the same amount of Finals MVPs. Bird too. Both have a good case against Bryant.

[Artillery]

t kobe had most of his rings as a sidekick: so what about duncan?: kobes 2001,2002,2009 and 2010 chip are statswise way more impressive than duncans rings in 05/07/14.. so who was the sidekick here =). where is the logic

The logic is right here:

5/3/2>>>>5/2/1

Let us proceed.

[SexSymbol]

Lebron's a beast. Much better stats and already has the same amount of Finals MVPs. Only thing Lebron is missing is those extra sidekick rings of Kobe's.

Magic:
5/3/3>>>>5/2/1

Duncan:
5/3/2>>>>5/2/1

Shaq won the majority of Kobe's rings for him. Much more dominant in his prime.

Hakeem has the same amount of Finals MVPs. Bird too. Both have a good case against Bryant.
Lack of respect for legends of the sport you love will get you nowhere.

Kobe's peak and dominance are incredibly underrated.

[DMV2]

#1-#7: MJ, KAJ, Wilt & Russell, Bird & Magic, Duncan
#8 Shaq
#9 LeBron
#10 Hakeem
#11 Kobe

[Warfan]

Ranked somewhere between 9-11 with Bron and Hakeem

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

#1-#7: MJ, KAJ, Wilt & Russell, Bird & Magic, Duncan
#8 Shaq
#9 LeBron
#10 Hakeem
#11 Kobe
How is Kareem and Bill Russell top 7 when Kareem rode Magic Johnson's coattails for those 5 NBA Championships and Bill Russell shot 44% and had a stacked him to make up for his poor shooting?

[Knoe Itawl]

1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. TD
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Wilt
9. Lebron
10. Hakeem

[Artillery]

Lack of respect for legends of the sport you love will get you nowhere.

Kobe's peak and dominance are incredibly underrated.

Kobe's peak=going 0-2 against Steve Nash. Very impressive.

[PickernRoller]

Top 10 for sure most have Kobe ranked in 5-9 range. I personally have him ranked #6 where he should be.

^This.

Top 6.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Kobe's peak=going 0-2 against Steve Nash. Very impressive.
And Jordan's peak = 0-3 against Isiah Thomas and the Pistons.

[Artillery]

And Jordan's peak = 0-3 against Isiah Thomas and the Pistons.

Pistons were a championship calibre team. Ended up winning two titles(should have been three if not for Isiah's injury in game 7 during the '88 Finals). Nash's Suns never even made the Finals.

[stalkerforlife]

Top 5 all time, IMO. However, he has to be top 10 to any unbiased person with great knowledge of the game.

Most ever first team ALL-NBA selections. Most ever first team ALL-DEFENSE selections. 5 rings. Back to back finals MVP awards. 30,000+ points and counting. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Top 5.

[shrempf_on_rice]

The reality is Kobe will go down as a top 10 when it's all said and done. Doesn't matter what someone on ISH is saying today...

But for what it's worth, I have him at 7-8.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe hater logic:

"Kobe played on good teams"

Ok so what about MJ, Russell, KAJ, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Magic & Duncan

"Kobe didnt win FMVP for every chip, those rings don't count"

Ok so what about KAJ, Duncan, Bird, Shaq & Wilt

[Big_Dogg]

Kobe hater logic:

"Kobe played on good teams"

Ok so what about MJ, Russell, KAJ, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Magic & Duncan

"Kobe didnt win FMVP for every chip, those rings don't count"

Ok so what about KAJ, Duncan, Bird, Shaq & Wilt

:applause:

[Cold soul]

Kobe hater logic:

"Kobe played on good teams"

Ok so what about MJ, Russell, KAJ, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Magic & Duncan

"Kobe didnt win FMVP for every chip, those rings don't count"

Ok so what about KAJ, Duncan, Bird, Shaq & Wilt

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/71/kobehaters.gif

[GoSpursGo1984]

Perfect example why LeBron >> all

carried scrub teams and he won FMVP for all :applause: :applause:

Yeah because Hall Famers like Allen and Wade and an All Star player in Bosh are scrubs. Typical Lebron stans threw his teammates under the bus to make Lebron look better.

[DetroitPistonFan]

where were these all stars in the finals?

anyone can play the allstar HOF card for teams

Lakers have HOF seemingly "Top 10 GOAT" Kobe Bean, Multiple time all star Carlos Boozer, 2 time MVP one of the GOAT pg's Steve Nash, shouldnt they compete for a championship :confusedshrug:

See how idiotic that sounds?
dubeta = :cry: