Bulls offering Gibson, McDermott & Mirotic for Kevin Love

[Smook A.]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/23/exclusive-bulls-have-offered-gibson-mcdermott-and-mirotic-for-love/


The Chicago Bulls have offered a package of Taj Gibson and rookies Doug McDermott and Nikola Mirotic to the Minnesota Timberwolves for All-Star forward Kevin Love, a league source told SheridanHoops.com on Wednesday.

The package is extremely intriguing to the Timberwolves, but there is a catch; it cannot be completed for another 29 days after McDermott and Mirotic signed their rookie contracts Tuesday. NBA rules prohibit rookies from being traded within the first 30 days of inking their rookie deals.

That could be good news for the Cleveland Cavaliers, who still have not signed Andrew Wiggins and may not do so until the end of this week. That will give them time to present Minnesota with an offer that can be acted upon immediately, bringing the Love trade talks to a quicker conclusion and giving the Cavs a superstar trio of LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Love.

A team with Rose/Love/Noah/Gasol/Butler would be absolutely disgusting. This team, in my opinion, would easily be the 2nd most balanced team in the NBA behind obviously the San Antonio Spurs. The Bulls already have one of the best coaches in the league and with Love, they would get exactly the type of guy they needed last season. An elite offensive player. They already have a really good defensive team, so no need to worry about the defense.

[Foster5k]

Only two teams have legit shots at Love. Cavs and Warriors.

Unless Bulls giving up Noah or Rose, not happening.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lol Love is not playing SF...Gasol comes off the bench in that situation...

[Levity]

nice little game the bulls are playing. they really want CLE to gut their team if they want Love.

as for the CHI offer, pretty interesting. is Mcdermott an NBA 3 or 4?

[Roundball_Rock]

Is he worth giving up that much???

[mattvNJ]

i like the CHI offer, McDermott is gonna be GOOD, Mirotic im is a ? but could be nice and ive liked Gibsons contributions and progression over the past few years.

[DMAVS41]

Hmmm. Taj is what you need next to Pek as well.

This is the first offer of note outside the Cavs offer in my opinion.

Only problem is that the Wolves won't be able to shed Martin or Barea with this deal.

But if they do this deal...they shouldn't want to shed Martin to begin with. They'd want to keep him because they are clearly trying to win now.

Cavs have some competition with this one. Mirotic is going to be an impact player right away. McDermott looks like he will be a guy you can give minutes to right off the bat as well. And like I said above, Taj is pretty much the perfect guy to have next to Pek.

If the Wolves are bent on pushing for the playoffs now, this is a great deal for them actually. Way better than the Warriors offer even with thompson...it's not close.

Taj, Mirotic, and Doug make a combined like 16 million a year and they are locked in for the next 3 years (Taj/Mirotic are)...

Got to say I really like this for both teams.

[HurricaneKid]

Only two teams have legit shots at Love. Cavs and Warriors.

Unless Bulls giving up Noah or Rose, not happening.

Why? I would MUCH rather have the Bull's offer than be locked into paying 33M for David Lee and Klay Thompson. And I would prefer the Cavs offer to that.

I don't see how the GSW offer, and we are talking about one that they swear doesn't even exist, is any better.

[Kingwillball]

There just has been Waaaaaay to much talk about him coming to Clev for me to believe he ends up anywhere else. If Bulls offered up Jimmy Butler, Gibson, McDermott for him I think Minny would have Legit reason to bite.

[Dr.J4ever]

Yeah, I don't think the Wolves can make the playoffs with Pek, Gibson,Mirotic/Mcbuckets, Martin, Rubio in the West. Not much different from last year.

[CHi1PriDe]

Fck that... McBuckets ain't goin no where, copped his jersey :facepalm

I'm happy with our team now and Pau said he wanted to help develop Mirotic.

[kshutts1]

I must really not like Love. Or really like McDermott. But I cringe whenever I think about giving up McDermott for Love.
It would be worth it, though, cringe or not. And as long as Snell continues to improve, losing McDermott's shooting won't hurt so much.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lol McDermott is not gonna end up close to as good as Love...if he ends up as good as Korver he'll be a successful pick...

[DMAVS41]

Only two teams have legit shots at Love. Cavs and Warriors.

Unless Bulls giving up Noah or Rose, not happening.

What?

This Bulls offer blows the Warriors offer out of the water.

Taj is the perfect fit next to Pek and he's locked into 3 years at 8.5 million a year.

Mirotic is on a 3 year 17 million dollar deal and has loads of potential. I'd much rather have him than David Lee and his 31 million over the next 2 years.

McDermott is gonna be on his rookie contract as well.

So much better in terms of basketball...and so much better in terms of money and cap. No worry about having to pay a guy like Thompson 17 million plus a season.

[kshutts1]

Let's do Taj, Mirotic, and two future firsts and two seconds. Man, if the Bulls could pull off that coup, that would be insane.

[bagelred]

Wow they are really gonna **** Miroctic over big time.

"I am so glad to come over to Europe, even though I loved it there, to play here in the great city of Chicago."

5 minutes later....

"You traded me where? For 3 years?"

[PleezeBelieve]

Good try Bulls. Cavs have better picks and Wiggins has the hype behind him.

[DMAVS41]

Good try Bulls. Cavs have better picks and Wiggins has the hype behind him.

The Bulls offer, if real, is actually competition for the Cavs offer.

If this is real...this is going to get interesting.

[kshutts1]

If the Cavs include anything of worth beyond Wiggins, that's the best deal on the table. Wiggins' hype is ridiculous, IMO.

Wiggins, Bennett, Varejao, for instance, would be the best deal Minn can get from anywhere. Back to back first overall picks? And a good player on a great expiring contract? Are you kidding me? Dallas would likely flip a first round pick for Varejao in a heart beat. So Minn would, in essence, be getting Wiggins, Bennett and a first round pick plus whatever salaries used to match.

[bagelred]

If I'm the Cavs, I give up Lebron for Love. Ya gotta do whatever it takes.

[Sammyzuko]

If I'm the Cavs, I give up Lebron for Love. Ya gotta do whatever it takes.
Flip would reject that in a heartbeat.

[TheMan]

I like the way the Bulls are constructed right now, I don't want to gut the team to get a marginal top 10 stat padder.

[TheMan]

Good try Bulls. Cavs have better picks and Wiggins has the hype behind him.
Good, you can have Love. He isn't worth gutting my Bulls.

[DMAVS41]

Good, you can have Love. He isn't worth gutting my Bulls.

You really wouldn't do that?

[GimmeThat]

pretty good trade for both teams. assuming they know that they can keep Love beyond this season and fill out the back court.

probably don't have enough assets to get it done this offseason.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You really wouldn't do that?
lol some fans overrate the crap out of their players....especially rookies....Rose/Butler/Dunleavy/Love/Noah is a title team if healthy...

[DMAVS41]

lol some fans overrate the crap out of their players....Rose/Butler/Dunleavy/Love/Noah is a title team if healthy...especially rookies

It's not even a question....Doug and Mirotic haven't even played a second yet...and the Bulls just got and excellent backup big.

Love...with Noah/Gasol at center? Holy ****ing shit...if Rose is 75% of what he used to be they are easily the favorites to come out of the East.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I kind of think the Bulls are doing this to drive up the Cavs offer.

[nightprowler10]

I kind of think the Bulls are doing this to drive up the Cavs offer.
Same here. I'd be shocked if the FO gives Mirotic and McBuckets.

[DMAVS41]

Same here. I'd be shocked if the FO gives Mirotic and McBuckets.

The FO would be idiotic not to move Gibson, Doug, and Mirotic for Love if given the chance. Just idiotic...and I'm sure they could take back Buddinger as well if they wanted some more depth at sf.

[nightprowler10]

The FO would be idiotic not to move Gibson, Doug, and Mirotic for Love if given the chance. Just idiotic...
Well, that's actually kind of my point. They have a history of refusing such trades when a player they're in love with is involved. It's unusual for them to offer this much.

[Kblaze8855]

As with the Cavs offer it cant be argued against logically or from a basketball standpoint. Its only known commodities are Taj(who I love) and Love....

Because of a fans inherent desire to see his teams hyped rookies reach the potential where they are id be sad to see it happen. That...plus I don't care for Love.

I wouldn't like it.

But I wont act like my reasons are logical.

Just being real about it.

[Kblaze8855]

I will admit to smiling at the thought of having arguably the best passing frontcourt the league has seen since Webbers Kings broke up.

Noah/Gasol/Love....

Arguably the best outlet passer in the league, the best high post passer in the league, and the best all around passing bigman in the league(mostly because other great passing bigmen aren't so mobile).

I do love a nice bounce pass from my center....

[pegasus]

I love this offer whether it happens or not. It will drive up the price for Love, making the Cavs gut their team to get him, or we will end up with Love which would be awesome.

[TheMan]

lol some fans overrate the crap out of their players....especially rookies....Rose/Butler/Dunleavy/Love/Noah is a title team if healthy...
I'm not overrating my players, more like I'm not overrating Love. Dude is pathetic on defense, you know, the other 50% of basketball.

[DMAVS41]

I'm not overrating my players, more like I'm not overrating Love. Dude is pathetic on defense, you know, the other 50% of basketball.

He's really not pathetic on defense actually...could you provide evidence of your claim please.

[PleezeBelieve]

Love is not nearly as bad on defense as some of you claim. He had a higher defensive rating than LeBron James last year. He's progressively gotten better on D every year.

You people are idiots to claim sh*t when you have no idea what you're talking about.

[pegasus]

I'm not overrating my players, more like I'm not overrating Love. Dude is pathetic on defense, you know, the other 50% of basketball.
When it comes to defense, someone like Boozer is pathetic, Love is decent.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

When it comes to defense, someone like Boozer is pathetic, Love is decent.
this..

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm not overrating my players, more like I'm not overrating Love. Dude is pathetic on defense, you know, the other 50% of basketball.
you clearly have never watched a timberwolves game...hes not "pathetic" and even if he were hes better than boozer and one of the top 6-7 offensive players in the league

[navy]

...

The Cavs should say fvck it.

[niko]

So they didn't clear their cap and make room for Melo but they are going to do this for Love now? Makes no sense.

[FireMcFailPlease]

...

The Cavs should say fvck it.
Then LeBron shoots them in the head next summer.

[kshutts1]

So they didn't clear their cap and make room for Melo but they are going to do this for Love now? Makes no sense.
Agree that Melo is the better target. Bulls made a terrible attempt at him. If I were a top-flight FA, I don't know that I would entertain the Bulls. The Melo offer was honestly that bad.

How arrogant/out of touch do you, as a team, have to be to offer a top 5 player, IN THEIR PRIME, essentially a 16m a year deal when they already have a 22-23m deal on the table. WTF.

[DMAVS41]

Retweeted by Nate Duncan
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Nikola Mirotic is not a part of the KLove offer. Our source close to Niko has just informed us he will not be traded.
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In the last hour we have been told by multiple personnel close to the Bulls that the Love rumors are in fact real. Bulls are making a push.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

From a wolves perspective I don't trust flip saunders to take the best offer...this is the guy who said melo was better than lebron last year...

[navy]

From a wolves perspective I don't trust flip saunders to take the best offer...this is the guy who said melo was better than lebron last year...
:biggums:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:biggums:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284921


His top 5:



5. Z Bo
4. CP3
3. LBJ
2. Melo
1. KD

:lol

[Milbuck]

Ugh..that's a bad trade for the Bulls. If they're actually serious about this and it's not just a tactic to make Cleveland overpay...:facepalm

[TheMan]

When it comes to defense, someone like Boozer is pathetic, Love is decent.
Well yeah, compared to Booze, anybody is decent.

[DMAVS41]

Well yeah, compared to Booze, anybody is decent.

yea, but could you please tell us why and provide some evidence that Love is a "pathetic" defender.

[TheMan]

Ugh..that's a bad trade for the Bulls. If they're actually serious about this and it's not just a tactic to make Cleveland overpay...:facepalm
I know, I'd rather we keep our young guys to pair them up for Jabari's eventual return to Chicago:rockon:

[JellyBean]

:rolleyes:

If we take this deal, I am done with being a Minnesota fan.

[TheMan]

yea, but could you please tell us why and provide some evidence that Love is a "pathetic" defender.
Eye test bruh:lol

[Lamar Odumbb]

If Bulls get Love, I guarantee that Cavs try to trade for Dwight Howard next summer.

Dwight, Irving, and Lebron is better than Love, Irv, and Lebron imo.

[DMAVS41]

Eye test bruh:lol

:bowdown:

[guy]

Would hate to see Taj go. Gives you pretty much everything you want in a big man role player. And with Mirotic coming through, and if he's all that he's hyped up to be, not sure that the Bulls are getting the fair end of the deal right here. With that said, they'd have to do it. We don't know how good Mirotic can be, and we also don't know how good Rose will be coming back. So we'd have to go with the sure thing superstar in Love.

One other thing though is that the Bulls' identity would basically change. 6 months ago they had 3 elite defenders in Noah, Gibson, and Deng. Now they'd only have 1. Of course, they'd still be great defensively cause of Thibodeau, but I have a hard time seeing them as great.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Ugh..that's a bad trade for the Bulls. If they're actually serious about this and it's not just a tactic to make Cleveland overpay...:facepalm
What? 2x unproven rookies, without huge potential to begin with. And a 6th man back up PF for a top five statistical player in the entire league? How one earth is this a bad deal? We keep Butler too. We become an even better rebounding team, keep all our best individual defenders (Hinrich, Butler, and Noah), and get better offensively. This is a great deal for Chicago.

[DMAVS41]

Would hate to see Taj go. Gives you pretty much everything you want in a big man role player. And with Mirotic coming through, and if he's all that he's hyped up to be, not sure that the Bulls are getting the fair end of the deal right here. With that said, they'd have to do it. We don't know how good Mirotic can be, and we also don't know how good Rose will be coming back. So we'd have to go with the sure thing superstar in Love.

One other thing though is that the Bulls' identity would basically change. 6 months ago they had 3 elite defenders in Noah, Gibson, and Deng. Now they'd only have 1. Of course, they'd still be great defensively cause of Thibodeau, but I have a hard time seeing them as great.

They'd dip defensively losing Taj, but Love more than makes up for that dip with what he brings.

[kshutts1]

Would hate to see Taj go. Gives you pretty much everything you want in a big man role player. And with Mirotic coming through, and if he's all that he's hyped up to be, not sure that the Bulls are getting the fair end of the deal right here. With that said, they'd have to do it. We don't know how good Mirotic can be, and we also don't know how good Rose will be coming back. So we'd have to go with the sure thing superstar in Love.

One other thing though is that the Bulls' identity would basically change. 6 months ago they had 3 elite defenders in Noah, Gibson, and Deng. Now they'd only have 1. Of course, they'd still be great defensively cause of Thibodeau, but I have a hard time seeing them as great.
1) Agree on Taj. Perfect role, perfect salary. Worth it for Love, or any other star, but his value goes beyond his numbers just because of how well he fits the Bulls system and cap.

2) Noah and Butler are/could be elite. Snell has the makings of a defender, too. At worst he's long and athletic, so difficult to shoot over on the perimeter. Hinrich may not be elite anymore, but he's certainly above average. Team is still pretty loaded with elite, or above average, defenders.

[SamuraiSWISH]

They'd dip defensively losing Taj, but Love more than makes up for that dip with what he brings.
Not even, the defense is great because of Thibs schemes, and Noah's presence down low. We keep our best perimeter defenders, and we add rebounding + offense. Taj is expendable.

[DMAVS41]

Not even, the defense is great because of Thibs schemes, and Noah's presence down low. We keep our best perimeter defenders, and we add rebounding + offense. Taj is expendable.

Taj is a beast defensively...you'd dip a bit on that end losing him.

[navy]

Love and Rose would be a good combination.

How are Rose's knees by the way? Dude is a complete wild card for the Bulls.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Taj is a beast defensively...you'd dip a bit on that end losing him.
Not significantly, and it isn't close to the improvement offensively we'd get. It's a great move. Taj came off the bench in 2011. We had an inconsistent, often hurt Boozer at PF who provides none of the offensive fire power or rebounding Love does.

[Legends66NBA7]

Chicago wants to win now and Minnesota wants to rebuild.

Both teams should pull the trigger, IMO.

[D-FENS]

Wow they are really gonna **** Miroctic over big time.

"I am so glad to come over to Europe, even though I loved it there, to play here in the great city of Chicago."

5 minutes later....

"You traded me where? For 3 years?"

Mirotic and Rubio can totally hangout. They would be a deadly combo. Pek could then be made into Dieng's back-up and away they go!

[DMAVS41]

Not significantly, and it isn't close to the improvement offensively we'd get. It's a great move. Taj came off the bench in 2011. We had an inconsistent, often hurt Boozer at PF who provides none of the offensive fire power or rebounding Love does.

Dude...I love the move. I'm just saying the defense will get worse.

[navy]

Chicago wants to win now and Minnesota wants to rebuild.

Both teams should pull the trigger, IMO.
Yeah but you cant guarantee Love will resign.

[ALBballer]

Mirotic and McDermmot are wildcards but Gibson is a great defender and the Wolves could easily trade his contract and get back valuable pieces.

[Milbuck]

What? 2x unproven rookies, without huge potential to begin with. And a 6th man back up PF for a top five statistical player in the entire league? How one earth is this a bad deal? We keep Butler too. We become an even better rebounding team, keep all our best individual defenders (Hinrich, Butler, and Noah), and get better offensively. This is a great deal for Chicago.
I see where you're coming from..Bulls have a real shot at getting a legit star, which is something they haven't been able to do..I get that. But I just have a feeling about Mirotic and McBuckets..you're right that they don't have huge Love-caliber potential, but I feel both of those guys can be high-quality players in the game in a few years and the combination of those two along with Taj in a couple years (even if Taj is 31) can be better than Love alone. I guess it's just me overhyping the shit out of McBuckets/Niko and not being as high on Love as most people are. Reflecting on it a bit more, my first post was an exaggeration..but I still don't think this decision is that clear cut.

[ALBballer]

Remember a few years ago when Bulls fan wouldn't trade Ben Gordon and Deng for Kobe?

:roll:

[Milbuck]

Remember a few years ago when Bulls fan wouldn't trade Ben Gordon and Deng for Kobe?

:roll:
2006-07 Kobe was on an entirely different level than Love..the Bulls offer right now for Love is definitely a debatable situation.

[navy]

Remember a few years ago when Bulls fan wouldn't trade Ben Gordon and Deng for Kobe?

:roll:
:biggums:

[aboss4real24]

So bulls fans after love gets traded to another team will he b

Trash
Overrated
dont care bout winning
Non d# playing bum ?


And will u guys say u didnt want em neway?


jus a question.....

[pegasus]

If we do get him (big IF even though our offer is better), I'd worry what he would do if Rose went down with an injury again. Would he opt in next year, or opt out and sign a longer contract, or opt-out and leave us in the dust?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

If we do get him (big IF even though our offer is better), I'd worry what he would do if Rose went down with an injury again. Would he opt in next year, or opt out and sign a longer contract, or opt-out and leave us in the dust?
yeah this is the biggest concern....ive yet to hear that hes willing to commit to chicago

[Heatles201]

If we do get him (big IF even though our offer is better), I'd worry what he would do if Rose went down with an injury again. Would he opt in next year, or opt out and sign a longer contract, or opt-out and leave us in the dust?
I personally don't think the offer is better, if Wiggins is really included. That potential you don't get in a 29 YO Taj ( love me some taj though don't get me wrong) and a Mcbuckets/Mirotic

[(e)]

I'd pull the trigger on a Taj, Mirotic, and McDermott deal for Kevin Love. Love is an upgrade over Taj - and Mirotic and McDermott (although promising prospects) haven't played an NBA game yet.

If possible, I'd want to keep McDermott - something about his game has me excited to watch him play. In his place I'd offer up Snell and picks. Plus, I'd offer up Dunleavy (an expiring deal) and take back Kevin Martin.

Bulls trade: Taj Gibson, Nikola Mirotic, Tony Snell, Mike Dunleavy, SAC picks, 2015 pick (rights to swap with Cavs), 2017 first round pick, and two second rounders.

Twolves trade: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin

PG. Rose, Brooks
SG. Martin, Hinrich, vet min
SF. Butler, McDermott, vet min
PF. Love, Bairstow, vet min
C. Noah, Gasol

Probably a pipe dream, but whatever :lol

[nathanjizzle]

no bulls no:cry: :facepalm

[nathanjizzle]

I'd pull the trigger on a Taj, Mirotic, and McDermott deal for Kevin Love. Love is an upgrade over Taj - and Mirotic and McDermott (although promising prospects) haven't played an NBA game yet.

If possible, I'd want to keep McDermott - something about his game has me excited to watch him play. In his place I'd offer up Snell and picks. Plus, I'd offer up Dunleavy (an expiring deal) and take back Kevin Martin.

Bulls trade: Taj Gibson, Nikola Mirotic, Tony Snell, Mike Dunleavy, SAC picks, 2015 pick (rights to swap with Cavs), 2017 first round pick, and two second rounders.

Twolves trade: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin

PG. Rose, Brooks
SG. Martin, Hinrich, vet min
SF. Butler, McDermott, vet min
PF. Love, Bairstow, vet min
C. Noah, Gasol

Probably a pipe dream, but whatever :lol

mcdermott is very expendable. mirotic is almost hands off.

[aboss4real24]

Let me guess bull fans

Klove will b trash garbo overrated wen he gets traded to another team

and u guys didnt want em neway

[nathanjizzle]

Let me guess bull fans

Klove will b trash garbo overrated wen he gets traded to another team

and u guys didnt want em neway

k love is a great fit for d rose.

[Milbuck]

Let me guess bull fans

Klove will b trash garbo overrated wen he gets traded to another team

and u guys didnt want em neway
You gonna keep posting this on every Bulls/Melo/Love thread? The Knicks are dogshit franchise with a garbage future. Down the road you guys are gonna be giving a 34-35 year old Melo ~25mil/yr :oldlol:

[Calabis]

I wouldn't mind getting Love, but all the depth will be gone.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Remember a few years ago when Bulls fan wouldn't trade Ben Gordon and Deng for Kobe?

:roll:
And wouldn't trade Deng for Melo or Deng for Gasol years ago before he went to LA, then let him go for free basically last season.

Bulls dumb management, and fans in a nut shell. Consistently overvaluing average assets. And then being too stupid to hold onto the ones that are a necessity.

[aboss4real24]

You gonna keep posting this on every Bulls/Melo/Love thread? The Knicks are dogshit franchise with a garbage future. Down the road you guys are gonna be giving a 34-35 year old Melo ~25mil/yr :oldlol:



Im gnna keep posting it till a a bulls fan answers, which they cant


Bucks are a irrelevant Team n a irrelevant city


And y wouldnt u pay a guy coming off a scoring title , and a 28 and 8 year 25 mill?

i understand the bucks havent had a player of that caliber since...........

Oscar n Kareem in the 70s


LOL Bucks r such a joke http://i.imgur.com/xlpgm0q.png

[Milbuck]

Im gnna keep posting it till a a bulls fan answers, which they cant


Bucks are a irrelevant Team n a irrelevant city


And y wouldnt u pay a guy coming off a scoring title , and a 28 and 8 year 25 mill?

i understand the bucks havent had a player of that caliber since...........

Oscar n Kareem in the 70s


LOL Bucks r such a joke http://i.imgur.com/xlpgm0q.png
Jabari and Giannis as a future duo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Knicks' future.

34-35 year old Melo is gonna be getting 25 mil a year from your trash franchise. You guys are the Atlanta Hawks of the big markets. Never good enough to win anything, never bad enough to do well in the draft.

Cleanthony Early though! :oldlol:

[(e)]

mcdermott is very expendable. mirotic is almost hands off.
Mirotic has more value. I'm level headed enough to know Wolves wouldn't consider Taj + McDermott. But if a deal were to include Mirotic - they might be more inclined to listen to that offer. You gotta give to get.

[ALBballer]

Mirotic has more value. I'm level headed enough to know Wolves wouldn't consider Taj + McDermott. But if a deal were to include Mirotic - they might be more inclined to listen to that offer. You gotta give to get.

IMO Mirotic has as much value as say Anthony Bennett and Cavs can offer Waiters and Thompson. If Bulls want to get K Love and stop the Cavs from setting up a dynasty, the Bulls are giving up McDermott in the very least unless Butler is in the trade proposal somehow.

[Akrazotile]

I dont see the Bulls actually doing this trade.


They are trying to drive the price up on the Cavs.

[ALBballer]

I dont see the Bulls actually doing this trade.


They are trying to drive the price up on the Cavs.

Well it doesn't make that much sense with the Gasol acquisition.

And thibs isn't the type of guy that is known to use his bench. But a frontcourt of Gasol/Love/Noah is the best in the league.

[MrC1991]

God I Don't Ask You For Much Please Let This Happen.

[fragokota]

God I Don't Ask You For Much Please Let This Happen.

This ain't happening son.

[Rameek]

GSW was willing to take Martin back in trade. To me that's still the best offer available for Love.

[DMAVS41]

GSW was willing to take Martin back in trade. To me that's still the best offer available for Love.

Why would the Wolves even want to move Martin if they did this Bulls deal though? They'd be trying to win now and Martin at 7 million or less a year is fine value actually.

The Warriors deal sucks in comparison in my opinion. It's an overpaid and over-rated David Lee that makes no sense next to Pek, Barnes (redundant player on the Wolves), and Thompson...a guy that is going to get 16 or 17 million a year.

That team likely isn't making the playoffs because the defense would be horrific as well.

See no point in the Warriors trade at all.

[livinglegend]

This trade wont happen because K.Love will refuse to sign extension with the Bulls. If the trade happens somehow, Love will leave the Bulls the year after.

[aboss4real24]

Jabari and Giannis as a future duo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Knicks' future.

34-35 year old Melo is gonna be getting 25 mil a year from your trash franchise. You guys are the Atlanta Hawks of the big markets. Never good enough to win anything, never bad enough to do well in the draft.

Cleanthony Early though! :oldlol:


LMAO Giannis is trash

and u really think jabari is staying with Mil after his deal is up? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

LMAO Giannis is trash

and u really think jabari is staying with Mil after his deal is up? :oldlol: :oldlol:
Giannis and Jabari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Knicks future.

Accept it and move on.

[Rameek]

Why would the Wolves even want to move Martin if they did this Bulls deal though? They'd be trying to win now and Martin at 7 million or less a year is fine value actually.

The Warriors deal sucks in comparison in my opinion. It's an overpaid and over-rated David Lee that makes no sense next to Pek, Barnes (redundant player on the Wolves), and Thompson...a guy that is going to get 16 or 17 million a year.

That team likely isn't making the playoffs because the defense would be horrific as well.

See no point in the Warriors trade at all.
They get rid of Martin who they dont want at that price and their was a rumor that they will include JJ Barea in any deal from this point on.

Considering the Wolves probably do want known and established talent like Lee, Barnes for upside, Klay for just coming into his own plus taking contracts they no longer want. Seems like the Warriors is the better deal to me.

[Upgrayedd]

Minnesota would be insane not to take this deal.

Bulls would need to go after a back up 4. But still they'd have a lot of depth.

C: Noah/Gasol
PF: Love/?
SF: Dunleavy/Snell
SG: Butler/Hinrich
PG: Rose/Brooks

[Rameek]

Giannis and Jabari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Knicks future.

Accept it and move on.
I think the Bucks have won more regular season games in the past 10 years than my Knicks or its pretty close :facepalm

I like Parker.

[DMAVS41]

They get rid of Martin who they dont want at that price and their was a rumor that they will include JJ Barea in any deal from this point on.

Considering the Wolves probably do want known and established talent like Lee, Barnes for upside, Klay for just coming into his own plus taking contracts they no longer want. Seems like the Warriors is the better deal to me.

But how? That is my question? Lee is making 15 plus a year. Klay is going get 17 or so a year if they want to keep him.

How does that make them better?

Barea is an expiring contract and Martin at 7 million a year isn't bad if they are trying to win (which they clearly are if they took either the Bulls or Warriors deal)

Have you thought about why the Wolves have struggled? It's because of a lack of depth and poor defense at the rim. How is adding Lee, Thompson, Barnes...and subtracting Love, Martin, Barea really addressing any of that?

The Wolves would likely finish 10th in the conference, miss the playoffs, and have a real conundrum on whether it's smart to keep Klay.

Just really isn't a deal that makes sense unless Klay turns into a true max level top 10 or so player in the league. Perhaps you think he can...I absolutely don't think he can.

I'd much rather have Taj on the Wolves, because he's the perfect pf next to Pek...than have Klay. Especially when I already have Martin/Brewer combined making far less than it will cost to keep Klay long term.


Could you explain what you think the Wolves are going to be as a team over the next 2 years with Lee, Barnes, and Thompson? Like...you think they are making the playoffs either year?

[aboss4real24]

Giannis and Jabari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Knicks future.

Accept it and move on.


jabari isnt part of Mil's future


Get over it


even if he was


Hardaway >Mil franchise


Maybe if the Bucks win more then 18 games

jabari mite decide not request a trade in his 2nd year n just leave in free agency n his 3rd

[TheReal Kendall]

Bulls need to stop. They need to go after a SG

[Rameek]

But how? That is my question? Lee is making 15 plus a year. Klay is going get 17 or so a year if they want to keep him.

How does that make them better?

Barea is an expiring contract and Martin at 7 million a year isn't bad if they are trying to win (which they clearly are if they took either the Bulls or Warriors deal)

Have you thought about why the Wolves have struggled? It's because of a lack of depth and poor defense at the rim. How is adding Lee, Thompson, Barnes...and subtracting Love, Martin, Barea really addressing any of that?

The Wolves would likely finish 10th in the conference, miss the playoffs, and have a real conundrum on whether it's smart to keep Klay.

Just really isn't a deal that makes sense unless Klay turns into a true max level top 10 or so player in the league. Perhaps you think he can...I absolutely don't think he can.

I'd much rather have Taj on the Wolves, because he's the perfect pf next to Pek...than have Klay. Especially when I already have Martin/Brewer combined making far less than it will cost to keep Klay long term.


Could you explain what you think the Wolves are going to be as a team over the next 2 years with Lee, Barnes, and Thompson? Like...you think they are making the playoffs either year?
If they dont want Martin or JJ it doesnt matter why they dont want them so addition by subtraction is a plus.... They get Lee and Klay (for 2 years) and Barnes and whatever picks.

Taj McBuckets Mirotic is better in your opinion fine.

[DMAVS41]

If they dont want Martin or JJ it doesnt matter why they dont want them so addition by subtraction is a plus.... They get Lee and Klay (for 2 years) and Barnes and whatever picks.

Taj McBuckets Mirotic is better in your opinion fine.

But I'd like to know where you see that team going.

Do you think they'd make the playoffs?

Because...what is the point of giving up Barea, for example...he's on a 4.5 million dollar expiring deal. That just doesn't mean anything in reality.

Shedding Martin would matter, but my argument is that they wouldn't want to if they did the Bulls deal. Yes, they'd want to if they did the Warriors deal because Klay plays that position and they already have Brewer.

I'm just trying to figure out why trading for the Warriors package makes sense. That is why I keep asking if you could talk about how that team would do over the next couple or so years in the West.

[T_L_P]

I don't get this trade if I'm the Bulls.

They better hope Pau is comfortable playing 26 MPG.

[beastee]

Bulls would need to go after a back up 4. But still they'd have a lot of depth.

Bairstow would be the last rotation guy in there, but i doubt he is ready for heavy minutes...so yeah, an MLE guy here. But I also see 96 PF/C minutes pretty easily distributed this way:
Noah - 32 All Center
Love - 32 All PF
Gasol- 24 - 12PF- 12 C
Bairstow- Only needs to play 4 mins at each position. But a vet would be good here, and Noah and Love can play more minutes in important games

[DMAVS41]

I don't get this trade if I'm the Bulls.

They better hope Pau is comfortable playing 26 MPG.

They could add another vet minimum big as well.

But...would it really be so crazy to need 22 to 25 minutes a game from Gasol?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Well Noah is somewhat injury prone (although last year he finally put pretty much a whole season), as is Love, and Gasol is 34. You would need more depth.

[T_L_P]

They could add another vet minimum big as well.

But...would it really be so crazy to need 22 to 25 minutes a game from Gasol?

That's probably all the Bulls would need, but I'm thinking Pau went there for a bigger role.

I'm also not really a fan of having three of your four best players be 7 footers. The Lakers made it work, but Odom was there to body up his man and he had handles. Love can catch and shoot, but other than that he's a post player. Pau is a post player. Noah is a post player (high post, granted).

This trade crumbles the Bulls' whole dynamic (defensive team with an offensive superstar and shooters). I just don't really see what kind of team this would be. :confusedshrug:

If I'm the Wolves, I take this though. The Cavs won't offer anything better, and these acquisitions make them competitive enough to challenge for a Playoff spot.

[DMAVS41]

That's probably all the Bulls would need, but I'm thinking Pau went there for a bigger role.

I'm also not really a fan of having three of your four best players be 7 footers. The Lakers made it work, but Odom was there to body up his man and he had handles. Love can catch and shoot, but other than that he's a post player. Pau is a post player. Noah is a post player (high post, granted).

This trade crumbles the Bulls' whole dynamic (defensive team with an offensive superstar and shooters). I just don't really see what kind of team this would be. :confusedshrug:

If I'm the Wolves, I take this though. The Cavs won't offer anything better, and these acquisitions make them competitive enough to challenge for a Playoff spot.

Oh...I thought you were talking about him not being able to play 26 minutes a game because he's old.

No doubt the defense would dip, but you are only losing Taj. I mean...Boozer is a far worse defender than both Love and Gasol actually as well.

And Deng is already gone...so it's not like he's coming back or something.

I'd bet they'd still be a top 5 defense to be honest...especially if Rose is back healthy at all.

They had the 28th ranked offense last year. With Rose/Love/Gasol added? Would likely be top 10 on offense or close...

They'd be a real threat to win it all. At present...I don't see how they win it all.

[zoom17]

Damn he is not worth all of that.

[(e)]

This trade wont happen because K.Love will refuse to sign extension with the Bulls. If the trade happens somehow, Love will leave the Bulls the year after.
That's not true. Chicago has been on Love's list the whole time. The only reason he'd consider the Cavs is because Lebron is there.

No team is going to make a trade for Love if they knew there was a chance of him leaving the next season. "Sauces" saying the Bulls have the best offer on the table right now - beating Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st rd pick

[beastee]

That's not true. Chicago has been on Love's list the whole time. The only reason he'd consider the Cavs is because Lebron is there.

No team is going to make a trade for Love if they knew there was a chance of him leaving the next season. "Sauces" saying the Bulls have the best offer on the table right now - beating Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st rd pick
Yeah, Rose & Love & Westbrook train all summer. I wouldnt be surprised that love ends up with either Rose or WB in a couple years if this trade falls through.

[Euroleague]

Why in the hell are people still acting like Rose is a pro basketball player?

[Euroleague]

Retweeted by Nate Duncan
Chicago Bulls Zone ‏@TheBullsZone 4m
Nikola Mirotic is not a part of the KLove offer. Our source close to Niko has just informed us he will not be traded.
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Retweeted by Nate Duncan
Chicago Bulls Zone ‏@TheBullsZone 18m
In the last hour we have been told by multiple personnel close to the Bulls that the Love rumors are in fact real. Bulls are making a push.

Mirotic is so overrated it's absolutely absurd. He should be the very first player they try to pawn off.

[(e)]

Mirotic is so overrated it's absolutely absurd. He should be the very first player they try to pawn off.
Was he not the youngest player in over a decade to be selected to an All-Euroleague team?

Was he not the only player in Euroleague history to win the Rising Star award twice?

Was he not the only player in Euroleague to be top 15 in points, steals, blocks, and player efficiency rating?

[RedBlackAttack]

Playing devil's advocate, I really don't understand why the TWolves would go after a deal where the best player involved is 29 and is signed through 2017. I get the McBuckets and Mirotic part if they like those guys, but Gibson? I guess he could be moved in some kind of additional deal down the road.

He has a reasonable enough contract... about $9 million a year. But, surely Minnesota doesn't believe that they're going to be winning anything in the very near future that would require Gibson's services?

If I'm Minnesota, I'm looking for three things... cap space, young talent and draft picks. Veterans making $8+ million on long contracts? I'd pass on those guys. But that's just me.


On the otherside of the equation, I said it with the Cavs and I'll say it again... unless Kevin Love is going to sign an extension immediately after being traded ala Harden and Melo, or at the very least picking up his option for 2015-16, I can't imagine giving up a ton of value for him.

That is just a tremendous risk.

[niko]

Cavs offer is better. Just because of Wiggins. They aren't that good a team, why they want to plug in ready made starters to be decent instead of bad is beyond me. Get the young possible star over the three really solid pieces.

[RedBlackAttack]

Cavs offer is better. Just because of Wiggins. They aren't that good a team, why they want to plug in ready made starters to be decent instead of bad is beyond me. Get the young possible star over the three really solid pieces.
The rumored Cavs deal is light-years better (Wiggins, Bennett, filler, pick). I still have doubts that was an actual offer, though. Otherwise the deal would be done... or Flip Saunders is a moron.

This trade isn't even in the same league as that one... and it's a fair enough offer, imo. That Cavs rumor was way over the top for a guy with one year left on his deal.

[(e)]

Cavs offer is better. Just because of Wiggins. They aren't that good a team, why they want to plug in ready made starters to be decent instead of bad is beyond me. Get the young possible star over the three really solid pieces.
Not according to the Twolves. Unless it's all a smoke screen to get more out of Cleveland.

We'll see. I'm just excited we have some sort of story to follow now that FA is pretty much done with. This Love situation won't be settled for at least a month.

[RedBlackAttack]

Not according to the Twolves. Unless it's all a smoke screen to get more out of Cleveland.

We'll see. I'm just excited we have some sort of story to follow now that FA is pretty much done with. This Love situation won't be settled for at least a month.
Don't rule out the smoke screen part. Flip has been putting out a lot of stuff from what I've heard. I still think it's all an effort to get Wiggins ... and the Cavs are not budging as easily as has been reported, especially since Love allegedly plans to continue with his free agency next offseason.

This is a reasonable offer, but still a bit too much unless -- like I said -- you have more than just the one year commitment. And I'm not talking about a verbal commitment. Those are all but worthless.

This is still a pretty steep price to pay for what could potentially be a one-year rental.

[Euroleague]

Was he not the youngest player in over a decade to be selected to an All-Euroleague team?

Was he not the only player in Euroleague history to win the Rising Star award twice?

Was he not the only player in Euroleague to be top 15 in points, steals, blocks, and player efficiency rating?

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Are you freaking serious? That award started in 2005. "History" like it existed in the whole history of Euroleague............

And besides the fact that it is an award based on "rising" as in future play. It's not even really based on the current time. I have explained that here like a hundred times before in the issue with Rubio who won it when he was one of the worst players in the whole damn league and NBA only fans STILL freaking pretend it means something.

JUST STOP IT

If the Bulls management had even an 80 IQ they would be feverishly trying to trade his ass right now, and if they had an offer to include him for Love....and did not do it because of him - they are the biggest fools of all time.

The ONLY reason he has any so called big trade value right now is because the clowns in the NBA and US media and NBA only fans like you have never actually seen him play a game. He's just like Rubio. Just like I said here all that time how freaking overrated he was. Now everyone finally gets it, after I was attacked here for all that time.

The difference is of course Mirotic can shoot and shoot very well. But he is still massively overrated.

The ONLY reason he has trade value is because these freaking idiots have not seen him play a game. It's all hype. That's it. This ridiculous NBA hype machine nonsense they create without having actually even seen these guys play a game.

And that is absolute FACT that there is no way in hell they have seen guys like Rubio or Mirotic play a game before they came to the NBA. Because they say they are "best player in Europe", or "best player in the world not in the NBA", and if they had actually seen them play a game and still said that....then they would have had to have smoked so much freaking crack that it would be impossible to still have basic brain functioning.

Once Mirotic gets in the NBA and starts playing games, then these clowns will actually start seeing him play games.... then his trade value will plummet.

So the only reason he is getting such trade value is because the general managers have NOT seen him play yet. As soon as they do, his trade value will plummet.

The Bulls are absolutely insane if they blocked such a trade over him. And I happen to think Love is hugely overrated - a natural born loser that refuses to play defense, stat pads, and selfishly always puts himself over his team, and I am saying the Bulls are INSANE if they don't do that deal over freaking Mirotic.

[(e)]

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Are you freaking serious? That award started in 2005 idiot. "History" like it existed in the whole history of Euroelague............

And besides the fact that it is an award based on "rising" as in future play. It's not even really based on the current time idiot. I have explained that here like a hundred times before in the issue with Rubio who won it when he was won of the worst players in the whole damn league and NBA only fans STILL freaking pretend it means something.

JUST STOP IT

If the Bulls management had even a 80 IQ they would be feverishly trying to trade his ass right now, and if they had an offer to include him for Love....and did not do it because of him - they are the biggest fools of all time.

The ONLY reason he has any so called value right now is because the clowns in the NBA and US media and NBA only fans like you have never actually seen him play a game. He's just like Rubio. Just like I said here all that time how freaking overrated he was. Now everyone finally gets it, after I was attacked here for all that time.

The difference is of course Mirotic can shoot and shoot very well. But he is still massively overrated.

The ONLY reason he has trade value is because these freaking idiots have not seen him play a game. It's all hype. That's it. This ridiculous NBA hype machine nonsense they create without having actually even seen these guys play a game.

And that is absolute FACT that there is no way in hell they have seen guys like Rubio or Mirotic play a game. Because they say they are "best player in Europe" best player in the world not in the NBA" and if you had actually seen them play a game and still said that....then you would have smoked so much freaking crack that it would be impossible to still have basic brain functioning.

Once Mirotic gets in the NBA and starts playing games, then these clowns will actually start seeing him play games.... then his trade value will plummet.

So the only reason he is giving them such trade value is because the general managers have NOT seen him play yet. As soon as they do his trade value will plummet.

The Bulls are absolute insane if they blocked such a trade over him. And I happen to think Love is hugely overrated - a natural born loser that refuses to play defense and stat pads and selfishly always puts himself over his team, and I am saying the Bulls are INSANE if they don't do that deal over freaking Mirotic.
:durantunimpressed:

You didn't answer any of my questions, idiot. I'll take that as they are all facts, not opinions like your lame ass is spewing.

edit...
Write me a new paragraph...

[(e)]

Don't rule out the smoke screen part. Flip has been putting out a lot of stuff from what I've heard. I still think it's all an effort to get Wiggins ... and the Cavs are not budging as easily as has been reported, especially since Love allegedly plans to continue with his free agency next offseason.

This is a reasonable offer, but still a bit too much unless -- like I said -- you have more than just the one year commitment. And I'm not talking about a verbal commitment. Those are all but worthless.

This is still a pretty steep price to pay for what could potentially be a one-year rental.
That's why I had mentioned it, wouldn't be surprised if Chicago is playing along to make Cleveland push their offer. I also don't think there is any possible scenario where Cleveland lands Love without giving up Wiggins. That's an offer Chicago or GSW beat easily.

I also don't really see a team trading for Love without commitment. Chicago definitely wouldn't be giving up Taj, McDermott, and Mirotic for a one year rental of anyone. I could see Love being somewhat hesitant to resign long term in Cleveland with how Lebron has structured his new deal - but as long as Lebron would be in Cleveland, there is no way Love would leave.

[Euroleague]

:durantunimpressed:

You didn't answer any of my questions, idiot. I'll take that as they are all facts, not opinions like your lame ass is spewing.

Keep drinking the hype machine nonsense from draftexpress and ESPN. Keep drinking the kool aid. Keep being a clown.

Have fun watching the "next Dirk" play with the Bulls, unless he gets traded to the Wolves, where he can then play with the "next Maravich"....

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm :biggums:

Keep drinking the kool aid genius.

[(e)]

Keep drinking the hype machine nonsense from draftexpress and ESPN. Keep drinking the kool aid. Keep being a clown.
Where did I say I was buying into some hype machine? I posted some FACTS regarding Mirotic's play and you can't even acknowledge them. You're spewing out your own opinion as if they were facts.

You're the real clown. Keep trolling. :coleman:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

skip bayless called mirotic the best player in europe today lol

[RedBlackAttack]

That's why I had mentioned it, wouldn't be surprised if Chicago is playing along to make Cleveland push their offer. I also don't think there is any possible scenario where Cleveland lands Love without giving up Wiggins. That's an offer Chicago or GSW beat easily.

I also don't really see a team trading for Love without commitment. Chicago definitely wouldn't be giving up Taj, McDermott, and Mirotic for a one year rental of anyone. I could see Love being somewhat hesitant to resign long term in Cleveland with how Lebron has structured his new deal - but as long as Lebron would be in Cleveland, there is no way Love would leave.
Waiters, Bennett, three firsts and eating terrible contracts is a much better offer than this one, imo. But, we all have opinions.

The Timberwolves apparently want a guy who can help them win now... which baffles me, but it seems to be the case. Golden State's offer is just pathetic... Barnes/Lee/late first. They're essentially out of the hunt with that hot garbage.

[Heatles201]

Waiters, Bennett, three firsts and eating terrible contracts is a much better offer than this one, imo. But, we all have opinions.

The Timberwolves apparently want a guy who can help them win now... which baffles me, but it seems to be the case. Golden State's offer is just pathetic... Barnes/Lee/late first. They're essentially out of the hunt with that hot garbage.

Its so dumb, why not go full rebuild mode and get young pieces? You didn't even make the playoffs with Love in the west but you want to win with Taj, Or Klay? smh

[Euroleague]

Where did I say I was buying into some hype machine? I posted some FACTS regarding Mirotic's play and you can't even acknowledge them. You're spewing out your own opinion as if they were facts.

You're the real clown. Keep trolling. :coleman:

You trolled. You posted a bunch of nonsense bullshit that is totally meaningless and when I pointed it out, you started trolling more.

Mirotic was the 5th best player in Real Madrid. That's a FACT.

He was the SOFTEST player in the Euroleague. That's a FACT.

He's the SOFTEST big man I have EVER seen play in the Euroleague, making David Andersen look freaking hardcore by comparison. That's a FACT.

He's probably officially become the 2nd most overrated player in European basketball history after Rubio, due to the same insane NBA and US media HYPE machine, coming from the SAME exact culprits.

It's all AGENCY induced.

That's a FACT.

I think the track record speaks for itself on THAT. I stated it here for years on end BEFOREHAND how Rubio was severely overrated and it was HYPE. I was proven right, while clowns like you that NEVER SAW HIM PLAY trolled the living hell out of these forums with the same CLOWN posts like you are making here...

"rising star" blah blah blah

"youngest player" blah blah

it's a bunch of meaningless bullshit genius.

Now I am telling you again, he's better than Rubio, and unlike Rubio he can shoot (which is very important), and he's actually a very good shooter when he's left open and shooting an open jumper. So that helps him and he's 6-10 so that always helps.

But obviously you are a Bulls fan, and OBVIOUSLY you are a brainwashed kool aid drinker and you are beyond hopeless.

You signed the softest big man in Euroleague history. CONGRATS.

His team literally could not wait to get the hell rid of him.

Now STFU with this completely INSANE talk about how the Bulls should block a trade for Kevin Love because of freaking Mirotic. A guy that was being benched almost always at every serious moment and game by Real Madrid because he's so horrible at defense, rebounding, boxing out, he's so soft mentally and physically, and because he's just such a damn freaking huge choker.

[RedBlackAttack]

Its so dumb, why not go full rebuild mode and get young pieces? You didn't even make the playoffs with Love in the west but you want to win with Taj, Or Klay? smh
Klay I can understand because he's still pretty young, although his likely demanding a max contract a year from now would scare me away from him if I'm Minnesota.

Taj Gibson though? I just don't understand why they'd have any interest unless, like I said, they had an additional trade lined up for him to down the road. I'd still want to get some picks out of this thing if I'm Minny.

[Euroleague]

skip bayless called mirotic the best player in europe today lol

If anyone knows how to contact Skip directly tell me.

[Milbuck]

If anyone knows how to contact Skip directly tell him I will set his ass straight.
Mirotic was the best player in Europe last year.

[DMAVS41]

Playing devil's advocate, I really don't understand why the TWolves would go after a deal where the best player involved is 29 and is signed through 2017. I get the McBuckets and Mirotic part if they like those guys, but Gibson? I guess he could be moved in some kind of additional deal down the road.

He has a reasonable enough contract... about $9 million a year. But, surely Minnesota doesn't believe that they're going to be winning anything in the very near future that would require Gibson's services?

If I'm Minnesota, I'm looking for three things... cap space, young talent and draft picks. Veterans making $8+ million on long contracts? I'd pass on those guys. But that's just me.


On the otherside of the equation, I said it with the Cavs and I'll say it again... unless Kevin Love is going to sign an extension immediately after being traded ala Harden and Melo, or at the very least picking up his option for 2015-16, I can't imagine giving up a ton of value for him.

That is just a tremendous risk.

They'd be making the deal to try and win now while getting young nice pieces.

I don't hate this deal as much as you do. I think the Wolves mentality is horribly flawed and they should be in rebuilding mode, but obviously they aren't doing that.

Taj is the perfect pf next to Pek. Taj/Pek makes a ton more sense than Love/Pek actually....even though Love is a far better player than Taj.

Doug and Mirotic would also fit in nicely and all the evidence suggests they are going to be ready to make an impact right away.

Again, it's a flawed mentality, but this team is actually pretty damn good;

Rubio/Lavine/Barea
Martin/Brewer
Budinger/Doug
Taj/Mirotic/Luc
Pek/Dieng

[Euroleague]

Mirotic was the best player in Europe last year.

Teletovic was the best player in the NBA last year.

Same exact thing as what you just claimed.

[FireMcFailPlease]

You guys still buy into what the hick from Arkansas has to say?

[(e)]

Waiters, Bennett, three firsts and eating terrible contracts is a much better offer than this one, imo. But, we all have opinions.

The Timberwolves apparently want a guy who can help them win now... which baffles me, but it seems to be the case. Golden State's offer is just pathetic... Barnes/Lee/late first. They're essentially out of the hunt with that hot garbage.
Wouldn't take it. Waiters isn't a bad piece, but has red flags for character issues. Bennett's rookie season really couldn't of gone much worse - I can't imagine many teams wanting to take him on. Cavs fans probably celebrate in the streets if they're able to trade him.

Picks hold a certain amount of value, but they are bigger question marks than players. Not sure what 3 picks you'd be referring to, but Cavs 2015 pick doesn't have a whole lot of value as it'll be the lower of Bulls/Cavs - good possibility of that being 25 or later. Heat pick holds more value imo, probably be a mid-first, maybe better if Wade can't stay healthy, maybe worse if Bosh/Wade/Deng put something together.

I'll agree to disagree on this one. I just don't see any way possible the Cavs land Love while being able to retain Lebron/Iriving/Wiggins. Pass whatever your smoking this way if you believe there is a chance of that happening. :pimp:

[(e)]

Teletovic was the best player in the NBA last year.

Same exact thing as what you just claimed.
Was Mirotic not the only player in Euroleague to be top 15 in points, steals, blocks, and player efficiency rating?

Seriously just answer that, yes or no. Don't give me your trolling bs.

YES or NO?

[iznogood]

I'm not sold on Mirotic as well. Spanish national team decided to play Serge Ibaka instead of him when they had to choose one of them. Ibaka can't even create a shot for himself and gets abused 1:1 more often than not and he's chosen before supposedly the best European basketball player?:biggums:

[poido123]

It makes no sense.

We move up in the draft to get our guy, pax spends years talking and conversing with mirotic to come over, has a fellow countrymen gasol to comfort his arrival, and now we want to FCK them over and trade them away?

I know this is a business, but I don't think we would do the dirty like that. I am heavily disappointed if this is true.

I'm starting to hate love, this is the kind of thing that makes players turn on their team.

[poido123]

Klay I can understand because he's still pretty young, although his likely demanding a max contract a year from now would scare me away from him if I'm Minnesota.

Taj Gibson though? I just don't understand why they'd have any interest unless, like I said, they had an additional trade lined up for him to down the road. I'd still want to get some picks out of this thing if I'm Minny.


I think your trade is safe.

However, I really hope this is a bulls bluff and not serious about trading those guys.

[Euroleague]

Was Mirotic not the only player in Euroleague to be top 15 in points, steals, blocks, and player efficiency rating?

Seriously just answer that, yes or no. Don't give me your trolling bs.

YES or NO?

Another troll at the level of gabepizza, Dr.J4ever, Rooster, Milbuck, etc.

Where the hell do these fools come from?

:facepalm :rolleyes:

At the Spanish League forums they laughed for weeks at the news that the Bulls were going to sign Mirotic.

[Euroleague]

I'm not sold on Mirotic as well. Spanish national team decided to play Serge Ibaka instead of him when they had to choose one of them. Ibaka can't even create a shot for himself and gets abused 1:1 more often than not and he's chosen before supposedly the best European basketball player?:biggums:

Again, he was the 5th best player on Real Madrid.

The ONLY people saying he was the "best player in Europe" are these hype machine people at ESPN, draftexpress and places like that and US sports media. All the US media just eats it up and just repeats it over and over a million times.

All the NBA only fans just believe it like mindless sheep.

It's all coming from agency sources pushing players to get money and that's it.

Like I said, same exact shit as with Rubio. But no, American NBA only fans STILL can't figure it out.

Anyone that truly follows Euroleague would just laugh in your face if you told them Mirotic was the best player in Europe.

My god some of these Bulls fans...sound just like the Wolves fans did talking about Rubio.

[Euroleague]

It makes no sense.

We move up in the draft to get our guy, pax spends years talking and conversing with mirotic to come over, has a fellow countrymen gasol to comfort his arrival, and now we want to FCK them over and trade them away?

I know this is a business, but I don't think we would do the dirty like that. I am heavily disappointed if this is true.

I'm starting to hate love, this is the kind of thing that makes players turn on their team.

Or maybe your retarded GM now that he signed Mirotic actually decided to watch him play a Euroleague game. You know, rather than just assume that bullshit "he dominated all those scrubs in Europe because he was a first round draft pick" like all retarded NBA managers assume.

And maybe after actually watching a Euroleague game that Mirotic played he realized he might need to trade him extremely quick before anyone else in the NBA also saw him play.

[poido123]

Or maybe your retarded GM now that he signed Mirotic actually decided to watch him play a Euroleague game. You know, rather than just assume that bullshit "he dominated all those scrubs in Europe because he was a first round draft pick" like all retarded NBA managers assume.

And maybe after actually watching a Euroleague game that Mirotic played he realized he might need to trade him extremely quick before anyone else in the NBA also saw him play.


Whether you think mitotic is good or not, its the wrong thing to do. A player coming over here for the first time from spain would be a massive culture shock. Then we go dump him in Minnesota? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

[ihatetimthomas]

It makes no sense.

We move up in the draft to get our guy, pax spends years talking and conversing with mirotic to come over, has a fellow countrymen gasol to comfort his arrival, and now we want to FCK them over and trade them away?

I know this is a business, but I don't think we would do the dirty like that. I am heavily disappointed if this is true.

I'm starting to hate love, this is the kind of thing that makes players turn on their team.

It would make no sense to not go after a player who will make the team much better. Its a disservice to the team and its fans to make it personal and not go after a big time player if they are available. I mean, you act like Mirotic has deep ties with the team and he doesnt.

[dreamwarrior]

I kind of think the Bulls are doing this to drive up the Cavs offer.
Actually it does the opposite. The Cavs had to drive up their own offer anyway in order to make it a valid trade since Wiggins counts for $0 on the books at the moment. Now the Cavs have the opportunity to sign Wiggins and wait 30 days in order to save $5.5-7.5 million since the Bulls aren't going to be able to make this trade before 29 days. The Cavs no longer have to feel desperate to give up more immediately.

[Euroleague]

Whether you think mitotic is good or not, its the wrong thing to do. A player coming over here for the first time from spain would be a massive culture shock. Then we go dump him in Minnesota? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

I hate to break it to you, but Chicago is pretty much a hell hole compared to Spain.

[JohnFreeman]

They don't need Love.

[ihatetimthomas]

They don't need Love.

So a team who hasnt been to the finals since MJ doesnt need more help? They are good as they stand?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

If anyone knows how to contact Skip directly tell me.
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Another troll at the level of gabepizza, Dr.J4ever, Rooster, Milbuck, etc.

Where the hell do these fools come from?

:facepalm :rolleyes:

At the Spanish League forums they laughed for weeks at the news that the Bulls were going to sign Mirotic.
what are some good euroleague forums?

[poido123]

So a team who hasnt been to the finals since MJ doesnt need more help? They are good as they stand?


We are good as we stand. I have faith.

The east is open, we were the next best team to the heat for years(health permitting) and now we have added good pieces and are far more dangerous.

[bluechox2]

lol, what a bullshit offer

i dont know when everyone started glorifying gibson's value into some star player who at best is an energy guy off the bench

[poido123]

It would make no sense to not go after a player who will make the team much better. Its a disservice to the team and its fans to make it personal and not go after a big time player if they are available. I mean, you act like Mirotic has deep ties with the team and he doesnt.


I know, maybe I'm from the days of player loyalty, not these quick fix superteam methods.

I respect the hell out of the spurs way of going about things and I'd like to think the bulls organization wants to model themselves on that too.

I just think it is so unfair to ship a guy off to another team, while he's placed all his faith in coming over and joining a fellow countrymen to play. Plus all the promises pax has assured him of over the years oftalking with him. It is just poor business ethics IMO.

[ihatetimthomas]

I know, maybe I'm from the days of player loyalty, not these quick fix superteam methods.

I respect the hell out of the spurs way of going about things and I'd like to think the bulls organization wants to model themselves on that too.

I just think it is so unfair to ship a guy off to another team, while he's placed all his faith in coming over and joining a fellow countrymen to play. Plus all the promises pax has assured him of over the years oftalking with him. It is just poor business ethics IMO.

Spurs are of a unique mold where they were lucky enough to draft possibly the most humble and team oriented superstar of all time. No question from top to bottom the Spurs org is the best ran organization. But it all started with Tim Duncan. They are nothing like they are now without him. Bulls unfortunately do not have that superstar, and unless you do you will need to make tough changes to improve the team.

The Bull have already done things like trade Deng, amnesty Boozer...all for the betterment of the team. I understand that loyalty is big for you. But commitment to winning is even bigger and you must look at all options. Would it be unfair to ship him out? I dont think so, fan favorite players and loyal players get shipped out as long as it makes sense to the team. It would suck a lot for him, but it would suck more for the Bulls and its fans if they werent doing everything in their power to make championship team.

[ALBballer]

lol, what a bullshit offer

i dont know when everyone started glorifying gibson's value into some star player who at best is an energy guy off the bench

Channing Frye got a 4/32 million dollar deal and Gibson is being paid less than that. He rebounds, plays defense, blocks shots and has a decent post game. He would be the perfect complimentary player next to Pekovic.

Still LOL at Wolves trying to contend next year.

:roll:

[poido123]

Spurs are of a unique mold where they were lucky enough to draft possibly the most humble and team oriented superstar of all time. No question from top to bottom the Spurs org is the best ran organization. But it all started with Tim Duncan. They are nothing like they are now without him. Bulls unfortunately do not have that superstar, and unless you do you will need to make tough changes to improve the team.

The Bull have already done things like trade Deng, amnesty Boozer...all for the betterment of the team. I understand that loyalty is big for you. But commitment to winning is even bigger and you must look at all options. Would it be unfair to ship him out? I dont think so, fan favorite players and loyal players get shipped out as long as it makes sense to the team. It would suck a lot for him, but it would suck more for the Bulls and its fans if they werent doing everything in their power to make championship team.


Fair call.

I'd feel very sorry for both guys is what I'm saying. And also the rookie who would dream of playing for the bulls after being drafted by them.

I like the idea of an organization building loyalty and its own champions, not looking to mortgage their future and cap on these divas who want to control their teams operations and demand everything to work around them.

I love this group of players, right down to our Aussie guy bairstow who I think will be a damn good player. The business side sucks for me sometimes.

[(e)]

Another troll at the level of gabepizza, Dr.J4ever, Rooster, Milbuck, etc.

Where the hell do these fools come from?

:facepalm :rolleyes:

At the Spanish League forums they laughed for weeks at the news that the Bulls were going to sign Mirotic.
Can't even answer yes or no :oldlol:

Mirotic was in fact the only Euroleague player to be in the top 15 in points, steals, blocks, and player efficiency.

[LBJFTW]

Lol at this whole fiasco. This board was saying just last year that Love wasn't any good and just a stat padder, but the the opportunity comes up to play with Bron and all of a sudden Love is relevant? GTFO. If your Cavs front office and can't pick up this stat padder while still keeping wiggins, then you belong working in a city that can't win shit.

[LBJFTW]

double post

[Heatles201]

lol, what a bullshit offer

i dont know when everyone started glorifying gibson's value into some star player who at best is an energy guy off the bench

If Cavs really offered Wiggins and they turn that down for Taj Gibson??? ( who soon hits 30, still clearly in his prime but if you trade for him you will be mediocre for the next upcoming seasons especially in the west) while with Wiggins you can get a superstar BIG IF, but still wouldn't you want to sell that to the fans? not oh we got Taj we ready to come in 9th,10th,11th in the west year in year out smh

[chazzy]

Smokescreen

[poido123]

Smokescreen


I hope so.

[(e)]

Three team trade.

Bulls trade: Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy
Bulls receive: Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters

Twolves trade: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin
Twolves receive: Andrew Wiggins, Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy

Cavs trade: Andrew Wiggins, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters
Cavs receive: Kevin Love

The matching salaries is incredibly close - if Chicago also traded out Snell it would work - but I don't think they'd do that considering they'd be facilitating a deal to get Love to Cleveland. So they'd essentially need a veteran minimum contract to send out too. Could potentially resign Nazr to a 1 year guaranteed deal and send out to Minnesota as well.

It's definitely interesting. As a Bulls fan I'd probably be on board with giving up Taj Gibson and Mike Dunleavy to get Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, and Dion Waiters - but don't like the fact we'd help Cavs get Love.

Thoughts?

[BrownEye007]

Three team trade.

Bulls trade: Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy
Bulls receive: Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters

Twolves trade: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin
Twolves receive: Andrew Wiggins, Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy

Cavs trade: Andrew Wiggins, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters
Cavs receive: Kevin Love

The matching salaries is incredibly close - if Chicago also traded out Snell it would work - but I don't think they'd do that considering they'd be facilitating a deal to get Love to Cleveland. So they'd essentially need a veteran minimum contract to send out too. Could potentially resign Nazr to a 1 year guaranteed deal and send out to Minnesota as well.

It's definitely interesting. As a Bulls fan I'd probably be on board with giving up Taj Gibson and Mike Dunleavy to get Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, and Dion Waiters - but don't like the fact we'd help Cavs get Love.

Thoughts?
If the Cavs trade both Wiggins and Waiters for Love I will cry. And although I've never done it before cutting myself is a definite possibility. The Bulls make out pretty great in this trade though.

[poido123]

If the Cavs trade both Wiggins and Waiters for Love I will cry. And although I've never done it before cutting myself is a definite possibility. The Bulls make out pretty great in this trade though.


The cavs won't be trying to help us get better though...

[poido123]

Three team trade.

Bulls trade: Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy
Bulls receive: Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters

Twolves trade: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin
Twolves receive: Andrew Wiggins, Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy

Cavs trade: Andrew Wiggins, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters
Cavs receive: Kevin Love

The matching salaries is incredibly close - if Chicago also traded out Snell it would work - but I don't think they'd do that considering they'd be facilitating a deal to get Love to Cleveland. So they'd essentially need a veteran minimum contract to send out too. Could potentially resign Nazr to a 1 year guaranteed deal and send out to Minnesota as well.

It's definitely interesting. As a Bulls fan I'd probably be on board with giving up Taj Gibson and Mike Dunleavy to get Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, and Dion Waiters - but don't like the fact we'd help Cavs get Love.

Thoughts?


That trade is too good to be true, it won't happen with a direct rival in the east.

[JtotheIzzo]

Three team trade.

Bulls trade: Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy
Bulls receive: Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters

Twolves trade: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin
Twolves receive: Andrew Wiggins, Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy

Cavs trade: Andrew Wiggins, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters
Cavs receive: Kevin Love

The matching salaries is incredibly close - if Chicago also traded out Snell it would work - but I don't think they'd do that considering they'd be facilitating a deal to get Love to Cleveland. So they'd essentially need a veteran minimum contract to send out too. Could potentially resign Nazr to a 1 year guaranteed deal and send out to Minnesota as well.

It's definitely interesting. As a Bulls fan I'd probably be on board with giving up Taj Gibson and Mike Dunleavy to get Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, and Dion Waiters - but don't like the fact we'd help Cavs get Love.

Thoughts?

That trade makes Chicago number 1 in the East with a bullet.

Thompson can do much of what Gibson did, Waiters and Martin solve their shooting, scoring issues. Chicago would be a juggernaut.

[Euroleague]

what are some good euroleague forums?

http://www.interbasket.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?11-Euroleague-amp-Club-Competition-Forum&

There is a ton of trolls there though, several of them post here regularly.

If you can read Spanish, also this one is good for Euroleague and Spanish League:

http://foros.acb.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=962551567c07b375a3ca4999485ae0c8

[Euroleague]

Can't even answer yes or no :oldlol:

Mirotic was in fact the only Euroleague player to be in the top 15 in points, steals, blocks, and player efficiency.

Are you still lying about that troll?

I already proved he was 18th in steals and 25th in rebounds, not even counting regular season stats, which would make him lower than that (NBA counts regular season stats).

STOP IT.

[kshutts1]

Three team trade.

Bulls trade: Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy
Bulls receive: Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters

Twolves trade: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin
Twolves receive: Andrew Wiggins, Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy

Cavs trade: Andrew Wiggins, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters
Cavs receive: Kevin Love

The matching salaries is incredibly close - if Chicago also traded out Snell it would work - but I don't think they'd do that considering they'd be facilitating a deal to get Love to Cleveland. So they'd essentially need a veteran minimum contract to send out too. Could potentially resign Nazr to a 1 year guaranteed deal and send out to Minnesota as well.

It's definitely interesting. As a Bulls fan I'd probably be on board with giving up Taj Gibson and Mike Dunleavy to get Kevin Martin, Tristan Thompson, and Dion Waiters - but don't like the fact we'd help Cavs get Love.

Thoughts?
I'd toss Cleveland a protected pick to guarantee that happening. Near perfect trade for the Bulls. Good job.

[kshutts1]

@DMAVS41 -- Warriors trade makes sense because....
Lee is a good player. He's essentially Love-lite. Love fits well enough next to Pek, so too would Lee. Contract is also only 2 years, so very trade-able next year as an expirer if they want.
Barnes has tons of potential, still. Warriors, IMO, made a bad call bringing in Iguodala and pushing Barnes to the bench. Not saying Barnes is better than Iggy, but the dude definitely has all-star potential.
Klay is another clear all-star. Taking a chance with being able to resign him, though, as you pointed out.
End result? Trading Love... an all-star that has not brought your team to the playoffs... for 3 likely all-stars that all play different positions. Good deal. This may come off as my being a "typical Bulls fan" but if Love is so good, why have we not seen it? I'm not saying anyone could produce the numbers he has, but absolute worst case scenario of trading Love is you are bad and miss the playoffs... like you did every single year with him. Not trolling, just saying.

@RBA -- Taj Gibson interest makes sense because....
For the player, it's a great deal. 8m a year for a guy that could (probably) give you 17/8 with second team All-D as a starter, but is just as content to be one of the best backups in the entire league. That's a bargain. Yes, he's 29. But he will be an OK player for at least the next 3-4 years and, again, he's on a very team friendly deal. Very, very easy to trade him to a contender if you want to go that route (as you had alluded), but also young enough and with a good enough attitude to keep him on for a building team.

That being said, to both of you, if Wiggins is truly included in the Cavs deal, that automatically trumps any offer being floated around. He's the lone player with true superstar potential.

[kshutts1]

Another troll at the level of gabepizza, Dr.J4ever, Rooster, Milbuck, etc.

Where the hell do these fools come from?

:facepalm :rolleyes:

At the Spanish League forums they laughed for weeks at the news that the Bulls were going to sign Mirotic.
EL.. I think I like you. But honestly, none of the posters you mentioned are real trolls. They all just mess with you because you blow up. They troll you because you allow it.

I appreciate you trying to open people's eyes to Euro players. But you are on an NBA forum. If no one wants to hear it? So be it. But Dr. J and Milbuck in particular are quality posters. Don't really know the other guys. They literally only troll people they consider trolls.

[ALBballer]

You should hear the Chicago station. Most of the callers are against trading taj/McDermott/Mirotic for Love.

Lol

[DMAVS41]

@DMAVS41 -- Warriors trade makes sense because....
Lee is a good player. He's essentially Love-lite. Love fits well enough next to Pek, so too would Lee. Contract is also only 2 years, so very trade-able next year as an expirer if they want.
Barnes has tons of potential, still. Warriors, IMO, made a bad call bringing in Iguodala and pushing Barnes to the bench. Not saying Barnes is better than Iggy, but the dude definitely has all-star potential.
Klay is another clear all-star. Taking a chance with being able to resign him, though, as you pointed out.
End result? Trading Love... an all-star that has not brought your team to the playoffs... for 3 likely all-stars that all play different positions. Good deal. This may come off as my being a "typical Bulls fan" but if Love is so good, why have we not seen it? I'm not saying anyone could produce the numbers he has, but absolute worst case scenario of trading Love is you are bad and miss the playoffs... like you did every single year with him. Not trolling, just saying.

@RBA -- Taj Gibson interest makes sense because....
For the player, it's a great deal. 8m a year for a guy that could (probably) give you 17/8 with second team All-D as a starter, but is just as content to be one of the best backups in the entire league. That's a bargain. Yes, he's 29. But he will be an OK player for at least the next 3-4 years and, again, he's on a very team friendly deal. Very, very easy to trade him to a contender if you want to go that route (as you had alluded), but also young enough and with a good enough attitude to keep him on for a building team.

That being said, to both of you, if Wiggins is truly included in the Cavs deal, that automatically trumps any offer being floated around. He's the lone player with true superstar potential.

This is where the dispute is. Lee does not fit well next to Pek...in fact, it's horrible. Lee is a far worse defensive player than Love...and playing Lee/Pek together without the 3 point shooting that Love provided is a terrible fit in my opinion.

I like Barnes, but he's redundant on a team with Brewer and Buddinger there already.

Klay is great, but he won't be worth the 17 million he'll get from someone next year.

I honestly could not think of a worse pairing in Lee/Pek as the bigs on my team. Now, if they traded Pek for something (not sure if this is possible)...then I would change my tune. Because Lee/Dieng with a 12 million dollar a year player at another position? Okay...now we can talk.

It wouldn't make sense, but if the Wolves could turn Pek into Larry Sanders and Middelton or something...then the Warriors trade would make sense.

Pek and Lee are just too redundant. All offense and no defense. And you'd have to play them way too much together. And even worse...Lee can't hit 3's...which is why the Love/Pek pairing was at least tolerable, but far from ideal.

[(e)]

The thing with that trade is Minnesota doesn't want Bennett. They also like Taj more than Thompson.

It could come down to, either Cleveland takes that deal, or Minnesota takes Chicago's offer for Kevin Love. What would they do if those were their two options? You either let Chicago get Love, or get Love while Chicago takes parts from your team.

[DMAVS41]

The thing with that trade is Minnesota doesn't want Bennett. They also like Taj more than Thompson.

It could come down to, either Cleveland takes that deal, or Minnesota takes Chicago's offer for Kevin Love. What would they do if those were their two options? You either let Chicago get Love, or get Love while Chicago takes parts from your team.

It's not about Bennett...LOL

It's about Wiggins. Bennett and a pick is just icing on the already best cake possible if Wiggins is in the deal to begin with.

If the Wolves somehow manage to dump Martin and get Wiggins, Bennett, and a pick for Love...it's going to be one of the best trades in NBA history.

That is as good as you can possibly do in this situation.

This doesn't mean it's a bad deal for the Cavs. If they give up Wiggins, Bennett, and a pick for Love...and that is it. Just cap filler to make the deal work...then it's a really good deal for the Cavs as well. It would be a rare win-win...but if they end up giving up their other two first rounders, haywood...and more cap filler in order to take back Martin...it becomes a poor trade for the Cavs.

[(e)]

Are you still lying about that troll?

I already proved he was 18th in steals and 25th in rebounds, not even counting regular season stats, which would make him lower than that (NBA counts regular season stats).

STOP IT.
Go home troll. I never mentioned rebounds. And you posted averages, no where did I ever say averages. I am right, you are wrong.

Next.

[(e)]

It's not about Bennett...LOL

It's about Wiggins. Bennett and a pick is just icing on the already best cake possible if Wiggins is in the deal to begin with.

If the Wolves somehow manage to dump Martin and get Wiggins, Bennett, and a pick for Love...it's going to be one of the best trades in NBA history.

That is as good as you can possibly do in this situation.

This doesn't mean it's a bad deal for the Cavs. If they give up Wiggins, Bennett, and a pick for Love...and that is it. Just cap filler to make the deal work...then it's a really good deal for the Cavs as well. It would be a rare win-win...but if they end up giving up their other two first rounders, haywood...and more cap filler in order to take back Martin...it becomes a poor trade for the Cavs.

Minnesota isn't taking Bennett. They like the Bulls offer more so than Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st. Wiggins is definitely on the table, so why hasn't Minnesota accepted anything?

[christian1923]

Damn the bulls shouldn't give up that much

[DMAVS41]

Minnesota isn't taking Bennett. They like the Bulls offer more so than Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st. Wiggins is definitely on the table, so why hasn't Minnesota accepted anything?

I don't know what the Wolves will do.

I'm telling you that Bennett is not at the core of the deal. You are treating him like he's the cornerstone...when it's obviously Wiggins. And you act like Bennett is a bad guy to take. Yea...just a guy on his rookie contract locked in with loads of potential that you can build a future with...or trade him or not pick up his option if need be. It's literally no risk.

Personally? I actually think the Bulls offer is legit. I think it depends on the goals of the franchise.

If it was me in complete charge? I'd trade Love for Wiggins/Bennett/1st rounder and try to include Martin as a dump in the deal.

I'd then start talking to the Thunder about moving Pek. Or anyone else willing to listen. Maybe the Knicks would listen. I'd let Rubio walk if he demands too much this off season (I like Rubio though...I'd want to keep him unless he's going to get something absurd...think him and Lavine would be great)...and I'd rebuild around Lavine/Wiggins/Bennett/Dieng/Shabazz...

I think that is the best process for the Wolves.

[(e)]

I don't know what the Wolves will do.

I'm telling you that Bennett is not at the core of the deal. You are treating him like he's the cornerstone...when it's obviously Wiggins. And you act like Bennett is a bad guy to take. Yea...just a guy on his rookie contract locked in with loads of potential that you can build a future with...or trade him or not pick up his option if need be. It's literally no risk.

Personally? I actually think the Bulls offer is legit. I think it depends on the goals of the franchise.

If it was me in complete charge? I'd trade Love for Wiggins/Bennett/1st rounder and try to include Martin as a dump in the deal.

I'd then start talking to the Thunder about moving Pek. Or anyone else willing to listen. Maybe the Knicks would listen. I'd let Rubio walk if he demands too much this off season...and I'd rebuild around Lavine/Wiggins/Bennett/Dieng/Shabazz...

I think that is the best process for the Wolves.

I'm not acting like he's a cornerstone - it's obvious the Wolves want Wiggins. That doesn't mean you just settle with Wiggins and a bunch of hot garbage though - you get the best possible collection of players you can.

Sure Bennet is on his rookie deal, but his rookie deal also pays him 5.5m this season. His 4 pts and 3 reb on 35% shooting isn't screaming potential to anyone. I'd be surprised if anyone really wants to take him on - outside of maybe the 76ers who are completely content with tanking, he'd fit in great with them.

Wolves don't want to go full rebuild. Even as you mention, it'll require more moves - like moving Kevin Martin, Pek, and probably other parts. Flip Saunders ain't about that life - he wants to compete for the Playoffs today.

[DMAVS41]

I'm not acting like he's a cornerstone - it's obvious the Wolves want Wiggins. That doesn't mean you just settle with Wiggins and a bunch of hot garbage though - you get the best possible collection of players you can.

Sure Bennet is on his rookie deal, but his rookie deal also pays him 5.5m this season. His 4 pts and 3 reb on 35% shooting isn't screaming potential to anyone. I'd be surprised if anyone really wants to take him on - outside of maybe the 76ers who are completely content with tanking, he'd fit in great with them.

Wolves don't want to go full rebuild. Even as you mention, it'll require more moves - like moving Kevin Martin, Pek, and probably other parts. Flip Saunders ain't about that life - he wants to compete for the Playoffs today.


dude. Wiggins and hot garbage should be more than enough to get Love.

What are you talking about?

Have you looked at the Chris Paul, Melo, and Howard trades in similar situations? They didn't get assets even approaching Wiggins alone.

Also, Bennett and a first rounder while dumping Martin's salary is not "hot garbage"...it's a really nice package.

Chris Paul go traded for Eric Gordon, Aminu, Kaman...and a pick that became Austin Rivers. Wiggins and filler is literally 5 to 10 times better than the Chris Paul trade. Same thing with the scraps the Nuggets got for Melo. And same thing for Howard to be honest...as the Magic kind of ****ed up what they did with all those pieces they got like Afflalo and McRoberts. Vucevic is a nice asset though, but he's not Wiggins.


Yes, that was my point. If it was me...I'd rebuild. If I wanted to compete right now? I'd honestly probably do some version of the Bulls deal. Taj is the perfect PF to play next to Pek...and they'd have Dieng as well. Mirotic and Doug are ready to play right away as well...and fit needs.

If the Wolves really are hell bent on making the next 3 years as good as possible. Yea...I like the Bulls deal. I just think that is a big mistake for a franchise that should just go full out and rebuild if they can land that Cavs package.

[niko]

This is minny and Chicago driving up price. Chicago doesn't want a player like Love who requires max and in future years pushes them into higher and higher payroll and tax. Kudos if you get Love but I'm really sure it's just smoke.

This is the point where I get told I'm wrong just like Melo and just like Melo it ain't happening.

[Dengness9]

This is minny and Chicago driving up price. Chicago doesn't want a player like Love who requires max and in future years pushes them into higher and higher payroll and tax. Kudos if you get Love but I'm really sure it's just smoke.

This is the point where I get told I'm wrong just like Melo and just like Melo it ain't happening.


I know I never told you Melo was coming to Chicago for sure or anything close to that.

But I did tell you that Reinsdorf is nowhere near as cheap as ppl make him out to be and you thought they wouldn't amnesty Boozer and the Bulls did that.

Im ok with the smoke, Bulls in the least have to make Cleveland give up as much as possible obviously.

If Love wouldn't sign an extension in Chicago, as ive heard recently, **** him then. Just like Melo. Winning is the most important thing until it comes time to decide and the money prevails. It's not a right or wrong decision thing, it's a SHUT UP THAT YOU WANT TO WIN WHEN MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT thing.

[Hey Yo]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 11m
ESPN sources say that, as things stand, Minnesota likes the Cavs' Wiggins-led offer better than anything else on the table for Kevin Love

[Heatles201]

Minnesota isn't taking Bennett. They like the Bulls offer more so than Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st. Wiggins is definitely on the table, so why hasn't Minnesota accepted anything?

Nah Marc Stein reported that they like Wiggins lead offer over anything that they gotten, which includes the bulls offer

[hawksdogsbraves]

Minnesota isn't taking Bennett. They like the Bulls offer more so than Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st. Wiggins is definitely on the table, so why hasn't Minnesota accepted anything?

There is no way the Timberwolves like the Bulls offer more than Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st.

[RedBlackAttack]

There is no way the Timberwolves like the Bulls offer more than Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st.
This is Flip Saunders we're talking about here... the same guy who apparently believes putting himself in the privileged position of offering a max contract to Klay Thompson next year is the bees knees... best case scenario.

I won't put anything past him. But, even if this Chicago offer is true (which it probably isn't), it is laughably bad compared to the Cavs' reported offer.

[ballinhun8]

This is Flip Saunders we're talking about here... the same guy who apparently believes putting himself in the privileged position of offering a max contract to Klay Thompson next year is the bees knees... best case scenario.

I won't put anything past him. But, even if this Chicago offer is true (which it probably isn't), it is laughably bad compared to the Cavs' reported offer.


How is it laughably bad??

Wiggins, Mirotic, and McDermott have played a combined 0 minutes in the NBA. Not to mention they probably won't develop in Minny the way they would in Chicago or with LeBron.

And so far, Gibson is a quality NBA starter where as Bennett so far is Kwame Brown 2.0

Not sure what picks Cleveland is offering but if its their own in the coming future then they will be late 20 picks so dont see those being special.

If all these rookies that Minny likes from other items turn out to be busts then we are talking about Minny being set back another five years. That's probably what Flip is trying to avoid.

[Heatles201]

How is it laughably bad??

Wiggins, Mirotic, and McDermott have played a combined 0 minutes in the NBA. Not to mention they probably won't develop in Minny the way they would in Chicago or with LeBron.

And so far, Gibson is a quality NBA starter where as Bennett so far is Kwame Brown 2.0

Not sure what picks Cleveland is offering but if its their own in the coming future then they will be late 20 picks so dont see those being special.

If all these rookies that Minny likes from other items turn out to be busts then we are talking about Minny being set back another five years. That's probably what Flip is trying to avoid.

You can sell Andrew Wiggins, you Can't sell Taj Gibson. ( Love me some taj though dont get me wrong)

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Nah Marc Stein reported that they like Wiggins lead offer over anything that they gotten, which includes the bulls offer
Yesterday there were reports saying Minny liked Bulls offer better than anything (I know SunTimes reported it as were others) - which inclued Cavs offer of Wiggins, Bennett and one 1st rounder.

They could of upped that offer to include two 2nd rounders - or maybe one of those legit sources are full of it.

I don't think Chicago will get Love, but I could see them being a third team to facilitate the trade.

[poido123]

This is minny and Chicago driving up price. Chicago doesn't want a player like Love who requires max and in future years pushes them into higher and higher payroll and tax. Kudos if you get Love but I'm really sure it's just smoke.

This is the point where I get told I'm wrong just like Melo and just like Melo it ain't happening.


Who's telling you you're wrong? I'm telling you're right :confusedshrug:

Its like some posters want to come out and declare how edgy their idea is and tell the world they have "haters".

Most bulls fans understand that most trade offers the bulls can do are not feasable or realistic. The cavs can offer more, so can the warriors.

We also understand that these are rumours to drive the price up.

Its as simple as that.

[Euroleague]

Go home troll. I never mentioned rebounds. And you posted averages, no where did I ever say averages. I am right, you are wrong.

Next.

Teams don't play the same amount of games in Euroleague you clown. It's a tournament. Mirotic was in the final genius.

You are comparing a guy playing over 30 games to players that played a 10 game regular season.

You clearly have an IQ below 50.