Weed is the most dangerous drug ...

[IamRAMBO24]

It has destroyed many careers and has prevented many poor people from ever getting a job with decent pay. I don't care what anyone says about how weed is completely harmless. How can it be harmless when people are losing their livlihood over this sh*t?

[riseagainst]

i agree. But if doctors and rich people smoke it during their days off, it's fine.
If you are poor as sh1t and jobless, and u spend your government cheese on weed, then you have problems.

[IamRAMBO24]

You're too far gone

http://i62.tinypic.com/30lngoj.jpg


Once you get a good job, everything in your life changes: how you live, your relationship, how people treat you, things you can do, things you can buy, your happiness, your freedom ... your entire life changes ... and then a joint can ruin all of that? F*ck that. it is the drug that stays in your system the longest; it is the drug that is the most targetted .. you can smoke crack and still pass a drug test the next day. Weed is a stupid drug. It's not worth it. I mean if you are content delivering pizzas for the rest of your life, then keep on smoking. I believe it is the number 1 reason that keeps the poor from getting a decent job (moreso than a lack of a college degree). We need to start considering the impact it has on our lives and that of others and not just look at health alone.

[Levity]

agreed entirely, OP.

[BasedTom]

OP is being ridiculed for stating the facts?

My sister overdosed on weed. RIP in piece

[TheSilentKiller]

OP is being ridiculed for stating the facts?

My sister overdosed on weed. RIP in piece
nope

[oh the horror]

One could say the same for alcohol. Watching a person drink their life away isn't fun.

[BasedTom]

One could say the same for alcohol. Watching a person drink their life away isn't fun.
I agree.

It's much more fun to join them.

[Jameerthefear]

had 3 marijuanas last night :shades:

[Levity]

OP is being ridiculed for stating the facts?

My sister overdosed on weed. RIP in piece

truth. when i was a kid, my neighbors front lawn died of a weed overdose, too.

[IamRAMBO24]

One could say the same for alcohol. Watching a person drink their life away isn't fun.

You can still pass a drug test if you drank the night before.

[Real14]

OP is being ridiculed for stating the facts?

My sister overdosed on weed. RIP in piece
No she didn't.

[fiddy]

It has destroyed many careers and has prevented many poor people from ever getting a job with decent pay. I don't care what anyone says about how weed is completely harmless. How can it be harmless when people are losing their livlihood over this sh*t?
what makes you think your stupid opinions is thread worthy?

[SupermanOnSteroids]

its not that weed itself is dangerous, its the laws regarding weed that are dangerous. imo it should be legalized and treated like alcohol.

i don't do it myself anymore, did it back in the college days but was cautious about it and getting caught.

[IamRAMBO24]

Omgrrd

Weed way more dangerous than alcohol

Cuz they drug test for it!!!!!!!!!!

I see the light now

If you smoke weed, chances are you are prob working at a minimum wage job because your dumba*s can't stop smoking to pass the drug test that is required for any decent career. Have fun getting high while flipping burgers.

If you can't get a good job, then most likely your health will deteriorate because you can't afford to eat anything other than fast food and do your grocery shopping at dollar general. You can't afford healthcare because your minimum wage job won't offer it, and even if you do get it, you prob can't afford to pay for the pills or go see a doctor anyways. You can't maintain a relationship because your broke a*s can't afford anything, let alone raise a family, hell, you prob can't even get married without borrowing money or taking out a loan, on second thought, you prob can't even take out a loan because your credit is low.

Taking all of that into consideration, I will take alcohol over pot any day.

[Levity]

Taking all of that into consideration, I will take alcohol over pot any day.

sweet! more pot for the rest of us! :cheers:

[IamRAMBO24]

The giant discrepancy here is the law is wrong.

Not weed.

News flash dumbsh*t, the law says weed is illegal.

[Godzuki]

If you smoke weed, chances are you are prob working at a minimum wage job because your dumba*s can't stop smoking to pass the drug test that is required for any decent career. Have fun getting high while flipping burgers.

If you can't get a good job, then most likely your health will deteriorate because you can't afford to eat anything other than fast food and do your grocery shopping at dollar general. You can't afford healthcare because your minimum wage job won't offer it, and even if you do get it, you prob can't afford to pay for the pills or go see a doctor anyways. You can't maintain a relationship because your broke a*s can't afford anything, let alone raise a family, hell, you prob can't even get married without borrowing money or taking out a loan, on second thought, you prob can't even take out a loan because your credit is low.

Taking all of that into consideration, I will take alcohol over pot any day.


why do u hate weed so much?

i mean i'd rather have a million people on pot than drinking...at least i know they won't be killing me randomly driving at night and there'd be a lot less drunken assholes around.

i don't know, i see it easily as the lesser of 2 evils, especially from a self POV :confusedshrug:

[IamRAMBO24]

Correct.

Doesn't make the law right when you consider alcohol is much more dangerous than weed could ever be.

So you're a confirmed sheep while the rest of us have lived our lives and formed our own opinions.

Actually the sheeps believe weed is completely harmless. Sure we have posters who think it's stupid to smoke pot, but I believe I'm the first to offer a logical reason why it's stupid.

Hate to say it, but I think pot is only illegal to keep young black men broke, poor, and in prison. That is the conspiracy side of me speaking considering that group are the ones most affected by it.

[~primetime~]

alcohol is 100x worse than pot...it's not even close either, even taking legality into account

For 1 an alcoholic puts people around them in danger at times...alcohol is linked to the majority of domestic violence incidents...and it is also capable of killing the user.

every year around 10k lives are lost to drunk driving, many of those lives not the drunks...Alcohol has been way more detrimental to society than pot has...

[IamRAMBO24]

Why did you delete that post, rambo? It was so retarded that I audibly laughed.

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2014/02/04/study-fatal-car-crashes-involving-marijuana-have-tripled/

[~primetime~]

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2014/02/04/study-fatal-car-crashes-involving-marijuana-have-tripled/
hmm...this is actually interesting stuff

[oh the horror]

You can still pass a drug test if you drank the night before.



True true.

[dr.hee]

alcohol is 100x worse than pot...it's not even close either, even taking legality into account

For 1 an alcoholic puts people around them in danger at times...alcohol is linked to the majority of domestic violence incidents...and it is also capable of killing the user.

every year around 10k lives are lost to drunk driving, many of those lives not the drunks...Alcohol has been way more detrimental to society than pot has...

This.

[~primetime~]

That doesn't necessarily mean they're high. Just that cannabis was in their system. :kobe:
the autopsy can show if it was used recently I'm sure...

[Godzuki]

yeah a lot of people do drink and smoke weed together, or rather weed heads like to drink too. and that combo will really mess you up...

but straight up weed vs straight up alcohol isn't a contest, alcohol is very impairing obviously.

you made a good link point tho, surprised by that study.

[IamRAMBO24]

alcohol is 100x worse than pot...it's not even close either, even taking legality into account

For 1 an alcoholic puts people around them in danger at times...alcohol is linked to the majority of domestic violence incidents...and it is also capable of killing the user.

every year around 10k lives are lost to drunk driving, many of those lives not the drunks...Alcohol has been way more detrimental to society than pot has...

Premise:
Smoking pot leads to poverty.

Supporting argument:
It is the main reason keeping millions in poverty (the failure to pass a drug test and attain a decent career) and in prison (pot is the leading cause of arrest).

You guys can straw your way and point to the law, but the fact remains it is still illegal, and its repercussions are being felt.

Correlation:
Domestic abuse is highest amongst families with low income, so based on the same logic you used (alcohol causes domestic abuse), I can logically correlate smoking pot also leads to domestic abuse.

Also smoking pot isn't exactly safe behind the wheel:

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2014/02/04/study-fatal-car-crashes-involving-marijuana-have-tripled/

[IamRAMBO24]

yeah a lot of people do drink and smoke weed together, or rather weed heads like to drink too. and that combo will really mess you up...

but straight up weed vs straight up alcohol isn't a contest, alcohol is very impairing obviously.

you made a good link point tho, surprised by that study.

Alcohol is of course higher because it is more prevalant. This doesn't mean pot is safe behind the wheels. The facts speak otherwise.

[DukeDelonte13]

people would be surprised if they knew just how many professionals smoke weed. I personally know plenty of very successful people who enjoy smoking. Plenty of professionals don't get drug tested.

You can replace weed with video games, alcohol, TV, etc., moderation is key. Doesn't matter what the vice is.

[Levity]

You can replace weed with video games, alcohol, TV, etc., moderation is key. Doesn't matter what the vice is.

:applause:

[IamRAMBO24]

people would be surprised if they knew just how many professionals smoke weed. I personally know plenty of very successful people who enjoy smoking. Plenty of professionals don't get drug tested.

You can replace weed with video games, alcohol, TV, etc., moderation is key. Doesn't matter what the vice is.

I'm only concern about poor people. If you want a job that pays $3 more than minimum wage, most likely the job can afford to drug test you. You don't need a college degree to earn a decent living. You just need to be clean and pass that drug test. The facts speak for themselves: failing a drug test is the number 1 reason that is keeping poor people from attaining a decent career and in prison.

[Jailblazers7]

people would be surprised if they knew just how many professionals smoke weed. I personally know plenty of very successful people who enjoy smoking. Plenty of professionals don't get drug tested.

You can replace weed with video games, alcohol, TV, etc., moderation is key. Doesn't matter what the vice is.

Yeah, I never get drug tested. I still only smoke like once a month at most but it's nice to have the option to enjoy in moderation.

[~primetime~]

people would be surprised if they knew just how many professionals smoke weed. I personally know plenty of very successful people who enjoy smoking. Plenty of professionals don't get drug tested.

You can replace weed with video games, alcohol, TV, etc., moderation is key. Doesn't matter what the vice is.
plenty of successful people get drunk every now and then too...it doesn't mean anything

some vices are worse than others, they aren't all equal, a video game addiction is child's play compared to a heroin addiction

[Levity]

I might as well post this since this thread is headed to an alcohol vs marijuana debate

http://www.upworthy.com/when-it-comes-to-pot-vs-alcohol-the-facts-are-hard-to-ignore

[IamRAMBO24]

Further proving why you're a sheep.

Driven baked. Driven drunk. Driving baked is like 5% more dangerous than driving sober, meanwhile driving drunk is at the very least 50% more dangerous.

Source: me

Your argument vs weed is fine but misguided. Weed should not be illegal. You coming in here talking shit about weed is troll esque because most of us believe weed should be legal since we understand alcohol is much more dangerous

Real talk.

Are you working at a minimum wage job?

[riseagainst]

Real talk.

Are you working at a minimum wage job?

:lol

[Rameek]

i agree. But if doctors and rich people smoke it during their days off, it's fine.
If you are poor as sh1t and jobless, and u spend your government cheese on weed, then you have problems.
I dont think successful people wait until off days lol :roll:

[IamRAMBO24]

If you don't agree with me, you work minimum wage.

It's a legit question and I don't mean to ridicule him in anyway. I've worked at a minimum wage job before and I was smoking pot daily because they can give two f*cks if you're high. When I got a decent career, I had to stop that sh*t real quick. I will never smoke another joint again for as long as I live considering how much my life has improved now compared to my pot smoking days.

I'm talking about how it affects your entire livlihood and not just your health.

[Levity]

I dont think successful people wait until off days lol :roll:

Truth. I smoke daily. not before work, not during, not as soon as im off, but once i get home for the night. i also consider myself successful for my age.

are their people that fit OPs description? of course. but the way OP states it, youd think there would be no exception.

[~primetime~]

I might as well post this since this thread is headed to an alcohol vs marijuana debate

http://www.upworthy.com/when-it-comes-to-pot-vs-alcohol-the-facts-are-hard-to-ignore
good vid

I'm pretty sure that most people understand that booz are more dangerous than pot, I'm not sure I buy into the theory that everyone in our Gov. thinks pot is on the same level as heroin. They know wtf it is.

[~primetime~]

Truth. I smoke daily. not before work, not during, not as soon as im off, but once i get home for the night. i also consider myself successful for my age.

are their people that fit OPs description? of course. but the way OP states it, youd think there would be no exception.
There is however no way for you to know how smoking every night has effected your life. Perhaps you would be a billionaire had you never smoked.

Not trying to pick on you, I just don't like it when smokers play the "look at me I have a things! pot never did me wrong!" card

[Levity]

There is however no way for you to know how smoking every night has effected your life. Perhaps you would be a billionaire had you never smoked.

Not trying to pick on you, I just don't like it when smokers play the "look at me I have a things! pot never did me wrong!" card

yeah, i get what youre saying and dont disagree, either. i try to steer clear of the "look at me" card, but i just wanted to counter OP's all-encompassing remarks with evidence, that at least applies to me.

[IamRAMBO24]

Truth. I smoke daily. not before work, not during, not as soon as im off, but once i get home for the night. i also consider myself successful for my age.

are their people that fit OPs description? of course. but the way OP states it, youd think there would be no exception.

I'm basing my argument on two premises:

1. Millions have failed a drug test.

2. The highest percentage of arrests is pot related.

Taking those factors into consideration, pot is not completely harmless like many people are making it out to be. Comparing it to alcohol is a nice way to multilate my sound argument.

[russwest0]

It has destroyed many careers and has prevented many poor people from ever getting a job with decent pay. I don't care what anyone says about how weed is completely harmless. How can it be harmless when people are losing their livlihood over this sh*t?

How is it worse than Heroin?

Some people try Heroin once and then their sole mission after that becomes to obtain Heroin again, even if it means stealing money from family to do so.

Or worse than PCP who some people take 2 hits of and then run around naked trying to kill people while on?

[IamRAMBO24]

How is it worse than Heroin?

Some people try Heroin once and then their sole mission after that becomes to obtain Heroin again, even if it means stealing money from family to do so.

Or worse than PCP who some people take 2 hits of and then run around naked trying to kill people while on?

The facts. More people have lost their jobs and gone to prison than any other drug. Everything else is subjective; you can argue that any drug is more dangerous than pot, but you gotta look at the facts, and the facts are in the stats.

[ballup]

Sounds like the op is taking a person's own weaknesses and blaming it on weed to me.
No way. Humans can't be blamed for their own actions. :kobe:

[IamRAMBO24]

Way more people smoke weed than those drugs though. That's like saying a Toyota Corrolla is a more dangerous vehicle than a Kawasaki Ninja because it's involved in more total accidents.

Driving a corolla does not prevent you from getting a job.

[IamRAMBO24]

You don't understand how analogies work, do you?

Analogies don't deal with facts.

[Graviton]

My cousin ****ed up a good job opportunity because he smoked weed like 2 weeks before. Meanwhile I know people that do coke regularly and still have their jobs. :confusedshrug:

This issue is more about the government not being able to control the weed industry so they make is hard on everyone. Doctors get kids hooked on prescription drugs and that's all fine, but god forbid he smokes weed he is ****ed. Idk why the least harmful drug has the toughest consequences.

[IamRAMBO24]

My cousin ****ed up a good job opportunity because he smoked weed like 2 weeks before. Meanwhile I know people that do coke regularly and still have their jobs. :confusedshrug:

This issue is more about the government not being able to control the weed industry so they make is hard on everyone. Doctors get kids hooked on prescription drugs and that's all fine, but god forbid he smokes weed he is ****ed. Idk why the least harmful drug has the toughest consequences.

Thank you for understanding my position. Weed is in the spotlight. It has more consequences than any other drug because of this. Can you argue other drugs are worst? Of course, but I'm talking about impact. Weed has done more harm than good when you look at the overall picture.

[Graviton]

Thank you for understanding my position. Weed is in the spotlight. It has more consequences than any other drug because of this. Can you argue other drugs are worst? Of course, but I'm talking about impact. Weed has done more harm than good when you look at the overall picture.
I wouldn't say WEED has done it, more like government used WEED in their quest to accomplish that goal. Weed itself is only the tool they used.

Same way in most violent conflicts AK-47s are used, but I wouldn't blame the AK-47 when it's the human behind it that's spreading death. You can not put the blame on the object, focus should be on the one pulling the trigger. In weed's case if it didn't exist some other drug would be used in government's campaign, same way those people worldwide would be using AR-15s instead of AK-47s.

[IamRAMBO24]

I wouldn't say WEED has done it, more like government used WEED in their quest to accomplish that goal. Weed itself is only the tool they used.

Same way in most violent conflicts AK-47s are used, but I wouldn't blame the AK-47 when it's the human behind it that's spreading death. You can not put the blame on the object, focus should be on the one pulling the trigger. In weed's case if it didn't exist some other drug would be used in government's campaign, same way those people worldwide would be using AR-15s instead of AK-47s.

A lot of posters are saying weed is harmless without looking at the overall implications. It is a fact the government is using weed as a means, but the ends is what really matters meaning, they are successful in controlling the lower class and it won't change anytime soon. It is the overall social repercussions that should matter because weed in and of itself is not bad, but sadly it is a black mark in our society amongst the poor.

Imagine if the poor decides to stop smoking weed. The prison would decrease dramatically; more of the poor would start making their way to the middle class; and the attack on the 4th amendment would be less potent.

Weed is illegal for a reason: it gives the government a lot of power over the lower class.

[IamRAMBO24]

He doesn't understand how analogies work. Just look a few posts back.

Analogies never deal with facts. For example, if you compare Bush to Hitler, it can't be a sound argument because of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum. All analogies are fallacious and it is quite pathetic you are using it as a "sound" rebuttal towards my argument.

[Graviton]

A lot of posters are saying weed is harmless without looking at the overall implications. It is a fact the government is using weed as a means, but the ends is what really matters meaning, they are successful in controlling the lower class and it won't change anytime soon. It is the overall social repercussions that should matter because weed in and of itself is not bad, but sadly it is a black mark in our society amongst the poor.

Imagine if the poor decides to stop smoking weed. The prison would decrease dramatically; more of the poor would start making their way to the middle class; and the attack on the 4th amendment would be less potent.

Weed is illegal for a reason: it gives the government a lot of power over the lower class.


It's legal in Colorado, will slowly become legal in any state that matters. People are fighting the government because weed actually has positive effects for certain conditions and sicknesses. It actually helps people beyond the ones smoking it just to get high.

That's the best way, can't just roll over and do what the government wants and succumb to their pressure. Once it's legal, that power won't be there any longer.

[Draz]

Everything in life is about consistent moderation. If you don't have it then you're going to gain addiction and make wrong decisions. It's possible to mess yourself over non alcohol and drugs, by simply living a lifestyle exceeding the moderation it requires.

One example is too much video games. Too much Internet. Over exposure of anything is a bad thing. Little exposure to anything is also bad.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You can replace weed with video games, alcohol, TV, etc., moderation is key. Doesn't matter what the vice is.


Agreed, big time. Some people just don't know when enough is enough. That or they don't have any self control (which, if lost, is somewhat challenging to regain...ik because I have went through the process of regaining my self control).

[gts]

I might as well post this since this thread is headed to an alcohol vs marijuana debate



Which always cracks me up..

Both done in moderation/responsibly is fine

Both done to excess is not so good, both can impact your life in a multitude of negative ways if you get carried away..

I've never understood the need for the pro weed or pro alcohol folks to feel or prove themselves superior in this discussion...

[ballup]

Irresponsible people gonna be irresponsible. They would be fired anyways for doing some other kind of dumb shit.

[IamRAMBO24]

But you're an enlightened, intellectual, revolutionary genius and the "first" to bring this point of view to the rest of us comprising the sheepish, huddled masses of humanity, amirite?

True.

[IamRAMBO24]

Friend of mines just posted this:

"Hell yah! Passed the interview with flying colors. I have to go back for one more and then I'll be serving food for all you drunk retards."

He is a known pot smoker. He is smart and hard working, but yet, he can't find a decent career because of pot. The job he is talking about is bartending. I have never seen someone so enthusiastic over so little. This is the reality we live in folks.

[Le Shaqtus]

Any drug is bad when you lack self control.

If you're goal oriented and can discipline yourself no drug would stop you being successful.

Although I'm only speaking for alcohol and weed, maybe stuff like shrooms.

Coke, heroin and all that bullshit is gonna straight f*ck you.

[Jailblazers7]

Friend of mines just posted this:

"Hell yah! Passed the interview with flying colors. I have to go back for one more and then I'll be serving food for all you drunk retards."

He is a known pot smoker. He is smart and hard working, but yet, he can't find a decent career because of pot. The job he is talking about is bartending. I have never seen someone so enthusiastic over so little. This is the reality we live in folks.

You're friend is just irresponsible. He is the problem, not weed. You make a valid point in this thread but weed I'm the way you describe is likely a result of the problem and not the source.

[ballup]

You're friend is just irresponsible. He is the problem, not weed. You make a valid point in this thread but weed I'm the way you describe is likely a result of the problem and not the source.
That's just silly. People can't be the cause of their own problems. It must be another soutce

[stalkerforlife]

I smoked a little weed this past weekend with my two sisters and I got paranoid, kept clutching at my chest like I was dying.

It ain't for me.

[russwest0]

I smoked a little weed this past weekend with my two sisters and I got paranoid, kept clutching at my chest like I was dying.

It ain't for me.

What about opiates?

[stalkerforlife]

What about opiates?

What's that, pain killers? Yeah, I like them, sometimes.

[TylerOO]

I agree.

It's much more fun to join them.

:oldlol:

[BigBoss]

Stoners don't get "it". Why bother

[BasedTom]

Any drug is bad when you lack self control.

If you're goal oriented and can discipline yourself no drug would stop you being successful.

Although I'm only speaking for alcohol and weed, maybe stuff like shrooms.

Coke, heroin and all that bullshit is gonna straight f*ck you.
You can be a responsible heroin user. But it's obviously much more difficult.

[dunksby]

I'm an LT in the army and I smoke a joint when I get to be home, shit I wouldn't be able to relax from the all the stress and BS of workplace if it wasn't for pot.

[Swaggin916]

Actually it's the people who are lazy. Only a lazy person would continually smoke MJ and lead a lazy lifestyle.

I don't drink beer during the day because it makes me lazy... I enjoy it at night when I am finished with everything. If I drank beer throughout the day I'd be unproductive and would feel lame. I drink only two beers and let the buzz wear off before I go to sleep so I get good sleep so it doesn't effect my production the next day. It's all planned out. i don't expect everyone to live that way... but I have no interest in someone who wants to lead a lazy lifestyle all the time.

[Wavves]

I did weed once and couldn't sleep for 3 days.

[GimmeThat]

if weed left our body as fast as we digest alcohol

I wonder if people would feel differently.