nikola Mirotic vs Dario Saric

[GOBB]

Who is the better prospect? I know jack shit about either. I know a little more about Sadic via reading and videos. Anyone out there want to take a stab at this?

I know we have quite a few euro heads. No Links Yo, no seriously please no.

[sick_brah07]

V.SPAN is better than both

[Fiba basketball]

Who is the better prospect? I know jack shit about either. I know a little more about Sadic via reading and videos. Anyone out there want to take a stab at this?

I know we have quite a few euro heads. No Links Yo, no seriously please no.

Well at this moment Mirotic is a much better player which is expected since he's older but Saric has a lot more potential and he isn't soft and doesn't disappear in big games like Mirotic.

[duskovujosevic]

Saric doesn't have bright future in the NBA. Saric is tweener, too slow to defend at SF, not enough strong to battle with PF's.

Mirotic is better no doubt.

[Fiba basketball]

Saric doesn't have bright future in the NBA. Saric is tweener, too slow to defend at SF, not enough strong to battle with PF's.

Mirotic is better no doubt.

Saric is already stronger and faster than Mirotic.

[duskovujosevic]

right here right know mirotic is more usefull player than saric, and it will remain like that until saric make some progress.

lets see saric in EL. lets see how ivkovic will use him. saric has long way to go. first, he needs to make his name in europe.

we haven't seen saric in elite competition, while mirotic prove himself in EL.

[Fiba basketball]

right here right know mirotic is more usefull player than saric, and it will remain like that until saric make some progress.

lets see saric in EL. lets see how ivkovic will use him. saric has long way to go. first, he needs to make his name in europe.

we haven't seen saric in elite competition, while mirotic prove himself in EL.

I agree but you can't say Saric won't be good in NBA because he isn't strong enough ( which isn't true ) and then say Mirotic could be when Mirotic is weaker and softer than Saric.

[duskovujosevic]

i watched saric in aba and didn't get impresion of someone that strong to battle at PF with stronger guys, while mirotic did it with more or less success in elite competition.

[alexd]

am i the only one here that don t like mirotic?he s slow and soft to my eyes

[Euroleague]

Anyone with even the most basic basketball knowledge knows Saric is way better than Mirotic.

GOBB, you are a mega clown troll.

The mere fact that you still can't grasp I actually follow European basketball and actually understand the game proves that. You are a freaking JOKE.

And anyone saying Mirotic is better than Saric has absolutely no clue about basketball at all.

The fact GOBB frames this as "Mirotic or Saric" proves what a troll he is. As if those were the only two players in Europe that even mattered...truly an unbelievably disturbing level of NBA only fan disease.

He better not watch any Efes games this year, or his head will explode when he finds out that Saric is just a role player....and his whole world paradigm was truly delusional.

[MrC1991]

I hope Mirotic pans out for Chicago we could use a guy like him off the bench.

[Euroleague]

I hope Mirotic pans out for Chicago we could use a guy like him off the bench.

I'm sure he will be fine if they just want a power forward to shoot open 3 pointers. He can certainly do that.

But this ridiculous talk about him being the best player in Europe and some kind of star that they are getting and next Kukoc and "the best European player since Dirk" and all this crazy bullshit is totally insane.

It's completely into crazy land, just like the ridiculous insane hype about Rubio from US media that was ludicrously untrue - "next Nash", "next Maravich", and it's the SAME exact people that started all of these absurd claims...like draftexpress.com and ESPN for example.

And yet no one in USA ever seems to learn their lesson.

Mirotic probably has no freaking idea what's he's even in for. He's probably coming there expecting a similar role he had in Real Madrid, which was playing about 20 minutes and shooting some open jumpers and finishing off some guard creation or from some double teams from the big in the post........

and the US media and fans are expecting some kind of all time great legendary European player. He probably himself does not even have clue about the craziness of what has been said about him in the US.

So he could pan out based on what the Bulls scheme for him - if it is realistic, but the expectations from the ridiculous hype of the US media and NBA fans.....anything less than "he is the next Dirk Nowitzki" which is a claim repeated hundreds of times in US media and he's probably going to get the instant bust label.

[Fiba basketball]

am i the only one here that don t like mirotic?he s slow and soft to my eyes
Well if by not liking him you mean thinking he is an overrated piece of shit who only plays good in unimportant games and has ridiculously high oppinion about himself then yes I don't like him too.

[mattvNJ]

I'm sure he will be fine if they just want a power forward to shoot open 3 pointers. He can certainly do that.

But this ridiculous talk about him being the best player in Europe and some kind of star that they are getting and next Kukoc and "the best European player since Dirk" and all this crazy bullshit is totally insane.

It's completely into crazy land, just like the ridiculous insane hype about Rubio from US media that was ludicrously untrue - "next Nash", "next Maravich", and it's the SAME exact people that started all of these absurd claims...like draftexpress.com and ESPN for example.

And yet no one in USA ever seems to learn their lesson.

Mirotic probably has no freaking idea what's he's even in for. He's probably coming there expecting a similar role he had in Real Madrid, which was playing about 20 minutes and shooting some open jumpers and finishing off some guard creation or from some double teams from the big in the post........

and here the US media and fans are expecting some kind of all time great legendary European player. He probably himself does not even have clue about the craziness of what has been said about him in the US.

So he could pan out based on what the Bulls scheme for him - if it is realistic, but the expectations from the ridiculous hype of the US media and NBA fans.....anything less than "he is the next Dirk Nowitzki" which is a claim repeated hundreds of times in US media and he's probably going to get the instant bust label.

LITERALLY NOT ONE person has stated anything expecting a legend lol. OP merely asked whose better because he doesnt see to much euro games or he hasnt seen much of these to. Get off your high horse, no one respects your euro opinion anyway. There is a few REALLY good, normal and informative euro posters on here. And your just a little bitch.

[Euroleague]

LITERALLY NOT ONE person has stated anything expecting a legend lol. OP merely asked whose better because he doesnt see to much euro games or he hasnt seen much of these to. Get off your high horse, no one respects your euro opinion anyway. There is a few REALLY good, normal and informative euro posters on here. And your just a little bitch.

There has been non-stop claims in US media that he is an all time legendary European player. That he is either a next Kukoc or next Dirk.

He is UNIVERSALLY called "best player of Europe" in US media.

STFU with your lying.

NO ONE respects your "opinion" here. EVERYONE here knows you are a TROLL.

[mattvNJ]

There has been non-stop claims in US media that he is an all time legendary European player. That he is either a next Kukoc or next Dirk.

He is UNIVERSALLY called "best player of Europe" in US media.

STFU with your lying.

NO ONE respects your "opinion" here. EVERYONE here knows you are a TROLL.
show me one or more article. ESPN doesnt do much coverage especially with those comparisons. Your a joke dude.

[dreamwarrior]

Saric has potential. He needs to eat about 12,000 calories a day and maybe take some of those european supplements in order to fill out.

[Euroleague]

show me one or more article. ESPN doesnt do much coverage especially with those comparisons. Your a joke dude.

You are a lying snake.

[The Choken One]

As if those were the only two players in Europe that even mattered...
Agreed on this part.

Not a single player in Europe matters. Bet D-League players would chit on 90% of those guys.

[mattvNJ]

You are a lying snake.

good answer. never have a smidge of proof. Im not asking for much.

[NuggetsFan]

Anybody who follows Euroleagues wanna chime in on Jusuf Nurkic? Dude just dominated this tournament he was in but I have no idea about the level of competition, seems like it was awful. Seen some numbers in the Eurocup but no knowledge of that either.

Assuming if you've seen Mirotic/Saric you might know stuff about Nurkic too :lol

[hateraid]

Euroleague, what's your take on prospects Tooyeeric and Sunanovic?

[Dr.J4ever]

Gobb, it's useless talking Euro ball here on the board, unless you like being called a low iq racist troll. What I do is I PM Fiba Basketball(the poster) and he usually has some nice takes.:cheers:

[Maga_1]

Gobb, it's useless talking Euro ball here on the board, unless you like being called a low iq racist troll. What I do is I PM Fiba Basketball(the poster) and he usually has some nice takes.:cheers:

Thanks a lot, in the name of the other european posters that post their opinions. lol

[GOBB]

Good job screwing up my thread Euroscum. First I'm fully aware these aren't the only two players in Europe. My reasoning for this thread is simple. Sixers drafted Saric and Mirotic is coming to the States to play basketball. I just wandered to know which young prospect has the brighter future and euro fans take on thrm. Nothing more nothing less. I didn't read your opinion on either, don't care too. No one is good in your eyes. Every time a player over there is mentioned you dog them. You're like the euro PleezeBelieve where you tear down the euro prospect the media mentions. Get a life.

Everyone else that replied appreciate the info. I just want to gauge where Saric is in terms of potential vs some peers and what I can expect or hope for if he ever decides to play for the Sixers (barring a trade). I've heard he is similar to Turk and needs to get stronger to help him on the glass and he is a bit of a streak shooter.

[Euroleague]

Good job screwing up my thread Euroscum. First I'm fully aware these aren't the only two players in Europe. My reasoning for this thread is simple. Sixers drafted Saric and Mirotic is coming to the States to play basketball. I just wandered to know which young prospect has the brighter future and euro fans take on thrm. Nothing more nothing less. I didn't read your opinion on either, don't care too. No one is good in your eyes. Every time a player over there is mentioned you dog them. You're like the euro PleezeBelieve where you tear down the euro prospect the media mentions. Get a life.

Everyone else that replied appreciate the info. I just want to gauge where Saric is in terms of potential vs some peers and what I can expect or hope for if he ever decides to play for the Sixers (barring a trade). I've heard he is similar to Turk and needs to get stronger to help him on the glass and he is a bit of a streak shooter.

No a-hole, you insulted me for NO REASON in the opening post.

You called me out jerk.

Now in this post you MAKE UP LIES ABOUT ME. "Every player in Europe is bad to you". TOTAL BULLSHIT. You just make up LIES about me and troll the living hell out of me for no reason. "Every time a player over there (only racists and xenophobes say "over there") is mentioned you dog them" - totally and completely UNTRUE and a freaking LIE.

You are an enormous douche bag and one of the biggest jerks to ever post in this forum.

I guess next time I start a thread I will say, "everyone except that a-hole racist GOBB can reply in this thread"....

and then if you dare have the freaking audacity to reply, I can just be all incredibly offended, and just start making up a bunch of totally untrue things about you and just start posting them, claiming they are true, even though they are not.

[SpanishACB]

Mirotic probably has no freaking idea what's he's even in for

Yeah, Mirotic has no clue about anything, he paid his buyout himself without doing any sort of research or getting any feedack from the organization, idiots make millions right? Is this how you support your 24/7 posting habits?

[AirTupac]

Anybody who follows Euroleagues wanna chime in on Jusuf Nurkic? Dude just dominated this tournament he was in but I have no idea about the level of competition, seems like it was awful. Seen some numbers in the Eurocup but no knowledge of that either.

Assuming if you've seen Mirotic/Saric you might know stuff about Nurkic too :lol

I just know he dominated that U20 tournament and won MVP. Would love to know more as well.

[SpanishACB]

Mirotic is a top 5 pick on this draft and that's paying little attention to talent if you wish.

Unlike most others in the draft, he has actually performed in finals and knows what it is to play a season as a professional (albeit the differences between europe and NBA). These are big intangibles. He is much more likely to be able to adapt to new enviroments and to perform under pressure which are big ifs for some of the college kids drafted high this year.

[Euroleague]

Mirotic is a top 5 pick on this draft and that's paying little attention to talent if you wish.

Unlike most others in the draft, he has actually performed in finals and knows what it is to play a season as a professional (albeit the differences between europe and NBA). These are big intangibles. He is much more likely to be able to adapt to new enviroments and to perform under pressure which are big ifs for some of the college kids drafted high this year.

He CHOKED in all of those finals. He did NOT perform in those finals. He is LESS likely to perform in those finals, because he has proven again and again and again for YEARS now that he is mentally weak and physically soft.

You are trolling like no other in the forum right now.

[Euroleague]

Mirotic is a top 5 pick on this draft and that's paying little attention to talent if you wish.

Unlike most others in the draft, he has actually performed in finals and knows what it is to play a season as a professional (albeit the differences between europe and NBA). These are big intangibles. He is much more likely to be able to adapt to new enviroments and to perform under pressure which are big ifs for some of the college kids drafted high this year.

He CHOKED in all of those finals. He did NOT perform in those finals. He is LESS likely to perform in important games based on how he played in those finals, because he has proven again and again and again for YEARS now that he is mentally weak and physically soft.

He makes LeBron look like Jordan, in terms of being a big game performer.

You are trolling like no other in the forum right now.

[Jon_Koncak]

I have to agree with Euroleague.Mirotic screams huge bust to me.Yeah he's skilled but so was Bargani.Dude is soft,disappears in big games,cant rebound,cant play defense.In the ACB finals he was outplayed by 35 year old Boki Nachbar for gods sake.He could turn into a decent role player but if someone expects new Dirk,just forget it.

[Fiba basketball]

Anybody who follows Euroleagues wanna chime in on Jusuf Nurkic? Dude just dominated this tournament he was in but I have no idea about the level of competition, seems like it was awful. Seen some numbers in the Eurocup but no knowledge of that either.

Assuming if you've seen Mirotic/Saric you might know stuff about Nurkic too :lol

It was u20 European championship division B (so all the bad teams) so it was very easy for him to dominate.
That being said he is without a doubt better than any player that played in division A and a lot of Cs that play for their senior NTs.

He had a great season with Cedevita and it can be argued that he was best C in Adriatic league.
I heard some people compare him with Pekovic but that's wrong IMO. Don't get me wrong Nurkic is strong, very strong, maybe the strongest C in Adriatic league but he isn't strong like Pekovic who based his game on his strenght.
What makes Nurkic so good and such an interesting prospect is that despite him being so big he's also very mobile . So you have a C that is stronger or quicker (or in some cases both) than his opponent and is also a great defender. Now imagine what will happen if he improves his offense ( which is already good ) and stops making stupid fouls ( his biggest problem so far ).

[duskovujosevic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af3jTTp76bI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlqAyXUQ8iE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOLBDfKb5zM

great addition for chicago, cant wait to see him compete against best players

[Dr.J4ever]

It was u20 European championship division B (so all the bad teams) so it was very easy for him to dominate.
That being said he is without a doubt better than any player that played in division A and a lot of Cs that play for their senior NTs.

He had a great season with Cedevita and it can be argued that he was best C in Adriatic league.
I heard some people compare him with Pekovic but that's wrong IMO. Don't get me wrong Nurkic is strong, very strong, maybe the strongest C in Adriatic league but he isn't strong like Pekovic who based his game on his strenght.
What makes Nurkic so good and such an interesting prospect is that despite him being so big he's also very mobile . So you have a C that is stronger or quicker (or in some cases both) than his opponent and is also a great defender. Now imagine what will happen if he improves his offense ( which is already good ) and stops making stupid fouls ( his biggest problem so far ).

It's hard to project how players will turn out in 3-4 years. Mirotic is clearly a much more proven player at this point having excelled at the EL level, and Saric has yet to prove anything at the EL level at this point, but just having watched a little bit of Saric, and with our GM having seen games in the Adriatic League in person, I believe Saric will be the better prospect in 3-4 years.

From I have been told, Saric could turn out to be a special player, not just some stand in the corner 3 pt shooter. Bill Simmons himself said in the Draft that "he fell in love" watching Saric at 3am on You Tube. LOL

We shall see, and I will look forward to getting reports on Efes games this year. Of course, for 76er fans, Croatia will also have Saric on the WC team in Aug. unless I'm wrong about this.

[poido123]

He CHOKED in all of those finals. He did NOT perform in those finals. He is LESS likely to perform in those finals, because he has proven again and again and again for YEARS now that he is mentally weak and physically soft.

You are trolling like no other in the forum right now.


Your posting style is just noise and fluff.

Will you just listen to the feedback people are giving you and take it on board?

You truly are way too emotional for a message board. Go find another hobby :facepalm:

[GOBB]

No a-hole, you insulted me for NO REASON in the opening post.

You called me out jerk.

Now in this post you MAKE UP LIES ABOUT ME. "Every player in Europe is bad to you". TOTAL BULLSHIT. You just make up LIES about me and troll the living hell out of me for no reason. "Every time a player over there (only racists and xenophobes say "over there") is mentioned you dog them" - totally and completely UNTRUE and a freaking LIE.

You are an enormous douche bag and one of the biggest jerks to ever post in this forum.

I guess next time I start a thread I will say, "everyone except that a-hole racist GOBB can reply in this thread"....

and then if you dare have the freaking audacity to reply, I can just be all incredibly offended, and just start making up a bunch of totally untrue things about you and just start posting them, claiming they are true, even though they are not.

You're a mental case. I don't see why someone hasn't took the time to put two bullets in the back of your head.

[nightprowler10]

You're a mental case. I don't see why someone hasn't took the time to put two bullets in the back of your head.
No overreaction there.

[GOBB]

No overreaction there.

http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/liam-neeson-taken-2-gun-phone.jpg-"none whatsoever"

[poido123]

You're a mental case. I don't see why someone hasn't took the time to put two bullets in the back of your head.


I thought this was funny at first, but then if someone on ish actually did do that, I'd feel shit for laughing..

Tbh, I dont think euro league is capable of reasoning..

[duskovujosevic]

Nikola Mirotic is

named the 2010-11 and 2011-12 Euroleague Rising Star...named to the 2012-13 All-Euroleague Second Team...named the 2011-12 Euroleague December MVP...named the 2013-14 Euroleague October MVP...named the 2011-12 Euroleague Week-8 MVP...named the 2013-14 Euroleague Round 1 MVP...won the 2012-13 Spanish National Championship with Real Madrid CF...won the 2012 and 2014 Spanish National Cup (King's Cup) with Real Madrid CF...named the 2014 Spanish Cup Final MVP...won the 2012 and 2013 Spanish Super Cup with Real Madrid CF...has been member of the Spanish U-20 National Team.

[GOBB]

^^^Worthless reply have a red box on me.


I thought this was funny at first, but then if someone on ish actually did do that, I'd feel shit for laughing..

Tbh, I dont think euro league is capable of reasoning..

To quote the great Russian Ivan Drago

"If he dies...he dies"

[poido123]

^^^Worthless reply have a red box on me.



To quite the great Russian Ivan Drago

"If he dies...he dies"


Rocky 4 ftw :applause:

Best in the series hands down :rockon:

[JISU]

I am from Europe, in fact I am from Spain and Real Madrid (the team where Mirotic played the lasts years in Europe) is my favourite team.

- Mirotic wasn

[Maga_1]

I don't know how someone can actually say how Mirotic will pan out in NBA at this time.

He's skilled in offense and can REALLY shot, but he's not very explosive to play at the 3.
Because he's offensive skilled he has advantage playing at the 4 (stretching out, creating mismatches), but he's not strong enough to play defense at the 4.

I really think that it will depend on the system that he will play and how they use him.

[Oly BC]

I don't know how someone can actually say how Mirotic will pan out in NBA at this time.

He's skilled in offense and can REALLY shot, but he's not very explosive to play at the 3.
Because he's offensive skilled he has advantage playing at the 4 (stretching out, creating mismatches), but he's not strong enough to play defense at the 4.

I really think that it will depend on the system that he will play and how they use him.
I find how "buff" everyone in the NBA is annoying. Even a sg is supposed to be built like a truck. I'd like it if someone risked the miss match and had Mirotic go against a stronger but probably slower pf who wouldn't feel as comfortable following him to the 3p line.


Someone said Mirotic has performed in finals and he is therefore more mentally ready. Mirotic has played in finals and he has lost in finals. That's all the mental readiness he has so far.

Saric played in a mostly bad league and was good there. He played 10 games in the eurocup and was probably below average.
But he still is yound and this will be his first season in a good team with a good coach and with good opposition.
It's too soon to call him anything other than promising.

[Maga_1]

I find how "buff" everyone in the NBA is annoying. Even a sg is supposed to be built like a truck. I'd like it if someone risked the miss match and had Mirotic go against a stronger but probably slower pf who wouldn't feel as comfortable following him to the 3p line.


Someone said Mirotic has performed in finals and he is therefore more mentally ready. Mirotic has played in finals and he has lost in finals. That's all the mental readiness he has so far.

Saric played in a mostly bad league and was good there. He played 10 games in the eurocup and was probably below average.
But he still is yound and this will be his first season in a good team with a good coach and with good opposition.
It's too soon to call him anything other than promising.


In my opinion Saric will be more well rounded.
He can dribble and pass better then Mirotic.
Defense is similar for now.
Shooting Mirotic is better.
In terms of physical abilities Mirotic is still better, but it's older.

But the thing that i think it will separate them is that, again, in my opinion, Saric can overtake games by himself.

(But yea, it was against weaker competition).

[GOBB]

Question. The league Saric was in was weak. So next season he will be in a more competitive league? How do you grade it vs the other leagues in Europe?

[Maga_1]

Question. The league Saric was in was weak. So next season he will be in a more competitive league? How do you grade it vs the other leagues in Europe?

He's going to play in Euroleague, first of all it's the best competition outside NBA so... we can see how he plays against tougher and experienced guys.

He's also going to play the domestin league in Turkey, which is developing every year because of big budgets.

Last year he played most of the times against poor competition, guys to young and inexperienced or players just average in Croatia and some good/ok teams inn the Adriatic League.

[Dr.J4ever]

Question. The league Saric was in was weak. So next season he will be in a more competitive league? How do you grade it vs the other leagues in Europe?

At least this I know about Euro ball. Saric played for a team in the Adriatic league, which is a local national league in the former Yugoslav area. He played very well there, and was MVP. This upcoming season, he will be playing for Efes, a team in Turkey, but the way it works out, Efes also plays in the top league in Europe called the Euroleague, where all of Europe's top teams play.

The EL is a level above the AL. Mirotic played well in the EL. See Dusko's earlier posts. If Saric plays well there, then he is clearly our man here in Philly.

[Euroleague]

Nikola Mirotic is

named the 2010-11 and 2011-12 Euroleague Rising Star...named to the 2012-13 All-Euroleague Second Team...named the 2011-12 Euroleague December MVP...named the 2013-14 Euroleague October MVP...named the 2011-12 Euroleague Week-8 MVP...named the 2013-14 Euroleague Round 1 MVP...won the 2012-13 Spanish National Championship with Real Madrid CF...won the 2012 and 2014 Spanish National Cup (King's Cup) with Real Madrid CF...named the 2014 Spanish Cup Final MVP...won the 2012 and 2013 Spanish Super Cup with Real Madrid CF...has been member of the Spanish U-20 National Team.

Everything in bold is totally meaningless. Nothing but totally meaningless awards that are complete nonsense and don't mean a thing, or TEAM based stuff from playing on a super duper mega stacked team.

Even the All Euroleague 2nd Team is highly dubious because in Euroleague those awards are:

1. voted by fans

and

2. based on TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS


And so in the cases of all Euroleague you always look for two types of players - the ones that actually are leaders of their teams (Spanoulis, Navarro, guys like that) and ones that do nothing but play in big teams and are in a system that helps them put pretty stats and that are popular with fans (MIROTIC).

So even those awards are pretty much bullshit to be totally honest about it. The only even legit thing there is the Spanish Cup MVP.......and that is a 3 GAME MID SEASON TOURNAMENT.

Your trolling is now at the level of Rooster and gabepizza.

[Euroleague]

Question. The league Saric was in was weak. So next season he will be in a more competitive league? How do you grade it vs the other leagues in Europe?

Is this guy freaking serious?

[poido123]

Is this guy freaking serious?


MMMMeltdowwwwwnnn :lol:

[Euroleague]

I find how "buff" everyone in the NBA is annoying. Even a sg is supposed to be built like a truck. I'd like it if someone risked the miss match and had Mirotic go against a stronger but probably slower pf who wouldn't feel as comfortable following him to the 3p line.


Someone said Mirotic has performed in finals and he is therefore more mentally ready. Mirotic has played in finals and he has lost in finals. That's all the mental readiness he has so far.

Saric played in a mostly bad league and was good there. He played 10 games in the eurocup and was probably below average.
But he still is yound and this will be his first season in a good team with a good coach and with good opposition.
It's too soon to call him anything other than promising.

NBA players are not that "buff" really. It's only a few of them. Most of them are skinny as hell.

[GOBB]

He's going to play in Euroleague, first of all it's the best competition outside NBA so... we can see how he plays against tougher and experienced guys.

He's also going to play the domestin league in Turkey, which is developing every year because of big budgets.

Last year he played most of the times against poor competition, guys to young and inexperienced or players just average in Croatia and some good/ok teams inn the Adriatic League.

Gotcha I was under the impression he was going to play in the same league as last season. Have no clue how it works over there as far as his bball schedule. Seems he's playing in two leagues. Thanks

[duskovujosevic]

Question. The league Saric was in was weak. So next season he will be in a more competitive league? How do you grade it vs the other leagues in Europe?

yes, adriatic league is like 8th or 9th league in europe. no real competition, just bunch of washed up players and future draft picks.

[Fiba basketball]

yes, adriatic league is like 8th or 9th league in europe. no real competition, just bunch of washed up players and future draft picks.

It's more like 5th ( Endesa, VTB and Turkish are the only ones that are without a doubt better and probably Italian also ).

[duskovujosevic]

In 2012, Euroleague Basketball decided to update the rankings every year, and take into account the results from the previous seasons. The rankings, as of 2007, are also based on 70 percent basketball game competition results, and 30 percent TV revenues/ratings, attendance figures, and arena capacities. The allocation criteria is based in this ranking.

http://i60.tinypic.com/11t7qs0.jpg

[Oly BC]

It's more like 5th ( Endesa, VTB and Turkish are the only ones that are without a doubt better and probably Italian also ).
Oh please, even the greek league is better. The top greek teams blow the top adriatic league teams out of the water and we have a bunch that could get knocked out in eurocup's first round like Cibona...

I'd guess now the German league is also clearly ahead and moving up fast.

[Oly BC]

In 2012, Euroleague Basketball decided to update the rankings every year, and take into account the results from the previous seasons. The rankings, as of 2007, are also based on 70 percent basketball game competition results, and 30 percent TV revenues/ratings, attendance figures, and arena capacities. The allocation criteria is based in this ranking.

http://i60.tinypic.com/11t7qs0.jpg
Out of that list reasonable doubts can only be had for the french and lithuanian leagues.

[Fiba basketball]

Oh please, even the greek league is better. The top greek teams blow the top adriatic league teams out of the water and we have a bunch that could get knocked out in eurocup's first round like Cibona...

I'd guess now the German league is also clearly ahead and moving up fast.

Your top teams ( PAO and OLY ) are better but your othere teams are worse.

German league isn't that good at all.

They have Alba, Bayern and Bamberg that are good enough for European compatitions but othere ones suck.

Also those 3 teams aren't even better than top teams from Adriatic league.

Only team in German league that is improving is Bayern and all othere's are staying the same or getting worse so I don't get why people are saying their league is getting better every year when it's just one team.

[Oly BC]

Bamberg is building a pretty good roster for next year and Bayern is better than anyone in the adriatic league.
Why are the other teams in the greek league worse? Panionios made it past the group stage in eurocup and Cibona didn't. Is Cibona a better team just because?

[Fiba basketball]

Bamberg is building a pretty good roster for next year and Bayern is better than anyone in the adriatic league.
Why are the other teams in the greek league worse? Panionios made it past the group stage in eurocup and Cibona didn't. Is Cibona a better team just because?

And how is Bayern better than any team in ABA league ???

They lost to Partizan in Belgrade ( Partizan played that game without two of it's best players, Milosavljevic and Bogdanovic ) and barly won at home ( they were down 15 pts at one moment ) and Partizan is horrible when it comes to playing away.
Just to be clear we're talking about Partizan that was worse than ever because of all the injures.

I'm not saying Cibona is better than Panionios but you need to compare all teams and your mid and lower level team are much worse which is too be expected since in ABA you have teams from 7 different countires and Greece isn't that big or rich of a country to be able to have many good teams.

[Euroleague]

Your top teams ( PAO and OLY ) are better but your othere teams are worse.

German league isn't that good at all.

They have Alba, Bayern and Bamberg that are good enough for European compatitions but othere ones suck.

Also those 3 teams aren't even better than top teams from Adriatic league.

Only team in German league that is improving is Bayern and all othere's are staying the same or getting worse so I don't get why people are saying their league is getting better every year when it's just one team.

I am sorry man, but you are overrating Adriatic League and you are REALLY overrating Turkish League and Italian League.

Let's get real here for a second.

Adriatic League - it's everything you just said about "other Greek teams" besides Olympiacos and Panathinaikos if not worse. For example, Aris, PAOK, Panionis, AENK........any one of those clubs can make final four of Adriatic League every year and if you argue that, you are just on drugs.

The difference is not in the level of the clubs, it's in that they have fans showing up to the arenas and those clubs don't, so they were still getting the respect of Bertomeu. But as you can see, that well has now ran dry.

OK, Turkish League - Yeah, every "big club" is HUGELY overrated.

Efes and Fener spends tons of money every year and NEVER do a jack you know what with it. So what if you have a huge budget, buy any player you want, any coach you want, etc?

They have been doing this for YEARS. I swear EVERY year for YEARS they are the favorite. EVERY year in the summer they are the paper champions and kings of the transfer season.

When was the last time either team did ANYTHING at all? These clubs are just somehow natural born losers. They have it all.......huge market, fans, arenas, budgets, money, but they cannot win. It's that simple.

If they were in NBA they would be something like the New York Knicks. They are "huge clubs" that in REALITY, they are mediocre top 16 clubs (teams that play awful in top 16), in most years, or in an INCREDIBLE amazing year every once in awhile might make the playoffs and lose.

Then you ave their third team Galatasaray....this team actually has winning mentality, unlike the other two. Again, they have everything, big market, big budget, can buy any player, any coach, they have lots of depth, they have tons of fans, they pack the arena, it's crazy hard to play in that arena...

BUT, let's be serious here. What have they ever done either? They don't have that loser mentality like the other two, but they are just not a very serious club though. They are something like Bayern to be honest about it and no more than that.

They have some good mid tier teams, then Banvit, Karsyiaka, Darusafaka has a 20 million euro budget for a mid tier team, etc. But look at the bottom of the league. It's absolutely horrible. It's that same BS nonsense how when people just endlessly would say how great the ACB was and always ignore how horrifically bad the bottom teams of the league were. Now of course people even in Spain finally figured that out.

But you used to see crazy claims like "worst team in ACB would be 3rd in Greece, 2nd in Russia" and crazy claims like that. Now of course the whole bottom of the league blew apart and finally they all STFU. But always there 6-7 absolutely HORRIBLE teams in ACB. Same with TBL.

You have to factor that in when you talk about quality of a league. Is the bottom of TBL even as good as the bottom of the German League? I have serious doubts.


Italian League - I don't even know what to say.......this league is absolute CRAP. How can you put this league as one of the better ones in Europe? Are you serious? For real? Hell, I would put Greek League as way freaking better than Italian League, I maybe even give Adriatic League edge over that POS league too.

God that league is TERRIBLE. I admit their 2nd division is nice - by far and away the strongest 2nd division in all of Europe. But that waters down their first league a lot. They have their league spread out too much over two divisions, unlike so much in the other countries, although Greek and Spanish 2nd divisions are fairly solid also.

But in Italy they put a lot of emphasis in the 2nd division and it hurts in the first division. And seriously, what the hell do they even have in the Italian League anymore?

It's a POS league. They play absolutely no defense at all, there is no physical play of any kind. So it's the same as Spanish League. Let's say opposite of Greek League or Adriatic League that is defense oriented and physical (especially Greek league).....but unlike in Spanish League, the teams mostly suck.

Milano - one OK Euroleague team and that's it.

Cantu - decent Eurocup level team

Sasari - yeah they are in Euroleague but they won't do crap. maybe top if they get lucky, nothing more than that. The new Cantu.

Siena is dead.

Roma - barely decent Eurocup team.

Regio Emilia?

And a whole bunch of similar crap teams. I mean saying for example that league that all the other teams in Greece are nothing....those kinds of teams like Roma and all those such Italian teams - they are not even close to as good as Greek teams like PAOK, Panionios, AENK, KOAD of last year. These are teams better than Cantu etc.

So yeah, you have an EXTREME overrating of Italian league. You forget, if a league has a poor team and with a modest roster, it always is one thing if they are tactical and play extremely physical and very hard defense and no American players make it in the team without such a mentality. Example any team in Greece or some of the teams in Adriatic that are not just being operated as youth farms.

In Italy, it is just the exact opposite. Just freaking run all over the court and do whatever, even if the players are bad and the coaching is bad and the overall general level is bad and there are no tactics at all.

[Euroleague]

Out of that list reasonable doubts can only be had for the french and lithuanian leagues.

Jordi and his revenues....having to make sure Lithuanian League is ranked above so that he can get Rytas in the competitions and get the license for Zalgiris.

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Freaking hilarious.

[Euroleague]

Bamberg is building a pretty good roster for next year and Bayern is better than anyone in the adriatic league.
Why are the other teams in the greek league worse? Panionios made it past the group stage in eurocup and Cibona didn't. Is Cibona a better team just because?

Bamberg has really rich ownership, a fairly decent budget that gets bigger every year, and their fans really support them. They sell out every single game. They should expand their arena already because it isn't big enough.

I am sure they will get better as the demand is there from the fans and the owners and they increase their revenue and the budget keeps getting bigger and the owners have the money to spend since they are very rich.

As for Greek League, it's the fashionable thing for everyone to say it is a 2 team league. Everyone just says that whether it is true or not. Of course it isn't true.

Of course the Greek league finals are rigged every year for Panathinaikos. But they also had to rig the semifinals because they could not beat PAOK either.

Last season Greek League had teams like PAOK, KAOD, Panionios that any of them could make final four in Adriatic League.

I mean hell look at last season's Cibona roster, that won Adriatic league. Freaking last season's Aris had about the same level roster as Cibona did. They even had a better roster really until Athiniaou left the team.

In Greek League a team like Aris was fighting like hell to even make the playoffs.

It's just this whole "Greek League only has two good teams and all the other teams suck" thing is all anyone says and they just repeat it a million times. Without ever looking at a game, looking at a roster, knowing any of the players, the coaches, anything.

It's complete bullshit though, because again, Panathinaikos had to rig the semifinals last year to even beat PAOK. They would have lost with fair reffing to PAOK in the playoffs. So it obviously can't be a "two team league".

I think really Greek League has consistently been more like 5-6 team league. It's been consistently deep with 5-6 teams year after year that could make it out of the group stage at the Eurocup, unless they got in a crazy hard group and get injuries, which happened to PAOL last year and Panionios the year before. But that's the flaw of how Eurocup is setup.

But you can't compare it to some Turkey or Russia or Adriatic like that when half the league gets a place in those competitions and just say "those leagues are better, otherwise Greece would have a place".

Greek clubs don't get places in those competitions. But people like Fiba just take it as a league is based on strength of how many places it gets in Eurocup, which is completely ridiculous. Eurocup places are NOT given based on league strength, at least up until the current time that's not how it has worked. They are given out through how Euroleague sees fit to allocate them for their own reasons. NOT based on "league strength".

Even a club like AENK from last year's Greek League could probably have won Adriatic League. That was their first freaking year in Greece first division.

It's just become this new thing to say "there are only 2 teams in Greek league" so everyone say that now. It's not true. Since people started saying that, it's consistently had 5-6 Eurocup 2nd stage level teams.

Bartzokas even got asked something about last season about how it was so easy playing Greek league compared to "the glory days of the league" when he coached in Maroussi and he stared the reported down and said the league was much more competitive now than then. His own words....it's better now.

Papamakarios got asked about how easy it was playing in Greek league after 2 years in Spanish league...he said there was basically no difference in the level at all and it was all BS when people and even players say that, even other Greek players if they say that. He said it was pretty much identical level between the two leagues.

One more........Lasme - he got asked by a reporter how would he "adjust" to playing in super hard league in Turkey where he had to play tough in every game where there were so many good games because all the teams were good, unlike in Greek league where it is so easy to play because all the teams are so terrible and you can just take every game off and it's so easy and you can just rest.........

He just looked at the reporter (a Greek one) like he was freaking and said, the Greek league is freaking hard man, it's a really hard league. It's pretty damn tough and hard to play in the Greek league. Every weak it's really hard in the Greek league. I am sure if could handle playing in the Greek league I can easily handle anything they have in the Turkish league.

And Lasme has played in Spain before so........it's just complete bullshit.

People saying this stuff don't even realize that if you followed Greek League from when it was supposedly "used to be so strong" games used to be a lot of 30-40-50 point blow outs watching Olympiacos or Panathinaikos....

You see competitive games now...like 5 points, 8 points, 3 points..those kind of games. But supposedly the "league is much much worse than it used to be".

I will actually watch some domestic leagues and it's more like leagues in Spain and Italy that got worse. Not Greece. Basically Panathinaikos got weaker, but due to the ref rigging they are STILL unbeatable (in Greek League) so that stayed the same, something people that don't watch Greek League probably don't grasp. They can use the junior team and still win the Greek double probably.

Olympiacos spent less.........and got better simply because they got real players and a real team finally. They were a joke in those Childress years. So they actually got better.

It's just really in all honesty teams like Aris that of course got much much worse, because of huge budget cuts, going from a top 16 and borderline Euroleague playoff team to what they are now and Panionios that got a little bit worse (due to budget cuts).

The rest of the teams really I think got better. And people made a big deal about Maroussi or Panellinios bankrupting. But so what? Already AEK came back, which is the 3rd biggest Greek club, and that was not even there during the supposed "glory time". Already like I said there is a club like AENK which looks like the new Maroussi, etc.

So it's definitely bullshit about it being a 2 team league. There are 5-6 good to decent teams every year.

[GOBB]

Aint no one reading all that shit

[GOBB]

How does Mirotic look this season?

[GOBB]

Bump

[Done_And_Done]

29 and 9
23 and 8
26 and 8

Over his last 3 outings. Pretty impressive stat sheet. I'll admit that I'm clearly basing this post on stats and not the coveted eye test.

[Done_And_Done]

Oh wow, dude put got to the line a whole slew of times tonight. 14-16 from the stripe. Gotta love that if you're a Bulls fan...

[SwishSquared]

Mirotic is a beast in the making, especially as a 3rd big. He should have gotten more consistent minutes thus far, even in a crowded frontcourt and when he hit the rookie wall. I figured the Bulls would be more willing to rest Pau/Noah/Taj when they had injuries, but I was wrong. I think they gotta give Mirotic 25MPG to keep developing him. He can swing some games there way, just as he did tonight.

I think Saric needs to drastically improve his shooting. He's had a tendency to get hot towards end of seasons, but needs to consistently stroke it to make an impact.

I read, like a month ago, that he was shooting 52% on 2-point FGA. However, plenty of these attempts came off drives, so that boosted that %. If he were taking that many shots off drives, I'd hope that his shooting in the paint/restricted area would be strong and that 52% would be dragged down by outside jumpers (otherwise, he may have a finishing problem in the NBA). Isn't he a below 30% shooter from 3 over his career? Don't think his midrange J is money yet, either, though that article I read probably has really outdated stats.

Great passing and vision from a guy his size, though. If his shooting becomes consistent, 76ers potentially have a great piece.

[Done_And_Done]

Swish, does the evolution of Miro make Taj dispensable (based on trade value) or do you see them both staying put over the long haul? Two completely different players + Miro is still on his rookie contract...

[SwishSquared]

Swish, does the evolution of Miro make Taj dispensable (based on trade value) or do you see them both staying put over the long haul? Two completely different players + Miro is still on his rookie contract...
I think it was smart to keep Taj through the deadline this year and it'd depend upon the offers for him this summer. He's given a lot to the org, and I think the FO appreciates that (plus Thibs love him). I'd say that, without the stats in front of me, he's been their most consistent defensive big due to Noah's slow recovery from that knee surgery. Now, if SAC offers their first for him and the Bulls could get WCS, I'd find that very interesting (although he's a garbage bucket scorer right now). That's above his value, but he still brings a lot to the table for this specific team.

Mirotic stayed overseas long enough to be past his rookie deal and is actually on a ~$16M/3 year contract. So he's only making ~$3M less per year than Taj, I think. I'd keep both unless I could get a potential 2 way talent to replace Taj and could play alongside Pau/Noah/Mirotic. I think his trade value has peaked anyways and he's due to decline in some way soon (turning 30 this summer) with all the injuries he's played through.

[SpanishACB]

How does Mirotic look this season?

most of us were right, Euroleague wasn't

Just another day at the office

[GOBB]

most of us were right, Euroleague wasn't

Just another day at the office

:roll:

[GOBB]

No signs of Euroscum? Funny.

[AI09]

Euroscum is a joke
Hes been bashing Mirotic for a couple of seasons now sayin he couldn't cut it in the NBA now he's disappeared after seeing Mirotic busting that ass

[Euroleague]

most of us were right, Euroleague wasn't

Just another day at the office

No, I was exactly right. Every single thing I said about Mirotic has been true to the tee.

He would play about 20 minutes a game. He would have no trouble at all playing in the NBA and be a good player. He would be a very good stretch four and open 3 point shooter.

He would be a bad defender and soft as hell.

And YES, he WILL be proven as a choker and mentally weak as well. That part is just a matter of time, and you just had to talk trash once again too early because you are a proven idiot.

You waited all season for him to have some good games, just like Fiba said..........

he has been doing this for years - have some good meaningless games and then always choke when it matters, just like I said all along.

So far, EVERY single thing I said about him has come true.

In fact, it has all happened in EXACT order as I said it would. WTF are you smoking?

[Choke94]

Mirotic needs to loose that damn beard!!
He be like the Hipster Bugs Bunny :mad: