ISH Trolling BS Debunked: This topic does NOT belong in the NBA forum.

[Euroleague]

OK. Enough of this trolling BS here. Ever since Nikola Mirotic signed with the Bulls it has been non-stop in this forum with the endless trolling lies about how "Nikola Mirotic was the best player in Europe".

NO HE WAS NOT

He was the 5th best player on his team, Real Madrid.

Usually, if you are the 5th best player on your own team, you can't be the best player in your league, let alone your entire continent.

All of the ISH mega clown trolls that are making this ABSURD claim here, and it IS absurd to say that Mirotic was the best player in Europe, are called out officially in this thread, and this thread will DEBUNK this enormous mega trolling MYTH that is spreading all over this forum.

In order to prove this, ALL Euroleague fans will collaborate here in this thread that indeed Mirotic was NOT the best player in Europe.

American NBA only fans that PRETEND to be Euroleague fans do NOT count. American NBA only fans that live overseas and PRETEND to be European do not count. You know who you are and I KNOW YOU ARE. You are trolls and you will be instantly outed as such if you post here regardless of what you say one way or the other.

All of the legit Euroleague fans, from anywhere in the world, people that ACTUALLY DO WATCH EUROLEAGUE will post here and will confirm that Mirotic was NOT the "best player in Europe".

I will start................


The top 10 reasons why Nikola Mirotic was NOT "the best player in Europe":

1. He was terrible at defense.

2. He was terrible at rebounding.

3. He was terrible at boxing out.

4. He did not get probably 80% of his offensive scores through creating his own shots, but rather through finishing shots that others created for him.

5. The vast majority of his points were scored through hitting wide open jump shots.

6. He was extremely mentally weak.

7. He would almost always disappear at every big moment, every big game, every important time when his team needed him most.

8. He was usually benched by his coach in the biggest moments and times of the season in the biggest games, and it was Real Madrid's other power forward, Felipe Reyes, that was almost always playing instead of him at every important moment.

9. He was extremely soft physically. He was probably from a physical standpoint, THE softest player in the entire Euroleague, and I am not even kidding. He was THE softest big man I have EVER seen play in the Euroleague - EVER.

10. He simply was just not an effective player in a half court setting. When the competition would get tougher, and the games and season would wear on, as the games would grind out, get more physical, more defense oriented, and get into more half court basketball, he would become more and more useless as a player on both ends of the floor.


Now, ACTUAL REAL TRUE Euroleague fans will verify what I am saying here, and the clown troll NBA only fans claiming he "the best player in Europe" will be exposed. Especially the Bulls fans, which are just trolling to an insane level in how absurd they are overrating what Mirotic's level in Europe was here in this forum.

Finally, I want to say that I am not trying to bash Mirotic or anything, I am just pointing out facts and setting the record straight here. This whole "Mirotic was the best player in Europe" thing is unbelievably ridiculous.

[The Choken One]

Euro gunna Euro

He got recruited and those euro scrubs didn't. But ya, they're better.

[PJR]

He may have not been God Mode aka Anthony Parker, but he was pretty good.

[hangintheair]

http://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/aPvNr3Q_460sa_v1.gif

[Bandito]

ANother mYth...Spanoullis > Arroyo...:lol

He couldn't even last a complete season in the NBA before he called it quits and Arroyo played for a long time. He's still playing now even though he logged more minutes in his life playing basketball than that bald fggt.

[gabepizza]

Liar!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Valuation&agg=Accumulated

As you can see Mirotic was 2nd in Euroleague in scoring. So the 5th best player on his team but 2nd in scoring in the whole league.

So second in scoring in the league on the team that was in the final.

And here are his stats for the final four.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=MAD&seasoncode=E2013

2nd in points for the final four for the runner-up of Euroleague.

One of the best players in Euroleague.

[mattvNJ]

http://i59.tinypic.com/9hl1rr.png

best player in Euroleague with the putrid sub 20 per and 13 ppg. We are not worthy!

[Milbuck]

There's a reason he was the Euroleague MVP, DPOY, and overall POY.

He was the best player over there. Now he's taken the next step to a professional league.

[qrich]

Let's see.

Mirotic >>> Sofoklis.


Sofoklis is world's superior to Elton Brand. Sofoklis is 10 times the player Kaman/Camby can dream of being.

Therefore.

Mirotic = Prime Kevin Garnett + Karl Malone + Charles Barkley + Dirk Nowitzki in one?

[DStebb716]

Euroleague daily routine:

1. Check NBA transaction wire.
2. If European player is signed, skip to step 4.
3. If European player is released, skip to step 5.
4. Run to InsideHoops to explain why this player is trash in Europe and that the US fans are stupid for thinking they'll be any good.
5. Run to InsideHoops to explain why the NBA is stupid and didn't give this incredible player a shot.
6. If none of the above are applicable, maintain idiocy level for 24 hours until the transaction wire is updated.

[(e)]

Mirotic was the only player in Euroleague to be top 15 in points, steals, blocks and player efficiency though.

[33teeth]

Euroleague daily routine:

1. Check NBA transaction wire.
2. If European player is signed, skip to step 4.
3. If European player is released, skip to step 5.
4. Run to InsideHoops to explain why this player is trash in Europe and that the US fans are stupid for thinking they'll be any good.
5. Run to InsideHoops to explain why the NBA is stupid and didn't give this incredible player a shot.
6. If none of the above are applicable, maintain idiocy level for 24 hours until the transaction wire is updated.

Epic! :cheers:

[LBJFTW]

Euroleague daily routine:

1. Check NBA transaction wire.
2. If European player is signed, skip to step 4.
3. If European player is released, skip to step 5.
4. Run to InsideHoops to explain why this player is trash in Europe and that the US fans are stupid for thinking they'll be any good.
5. Run to InsideHoops to explain why the NBA is stupid and didn't give this incredible player a shot.
6. If none of the above are applicable, maintain idiocy level for 24 hours until the transaction wire is updated.

Sadly, that is that poor guy's life to the T. Guy needs a life coach....counseling....something.

[Euroleague]

Liar!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Valuation&agg=Accumulated

As you can see Mirotic was 2nd in Euroleague in scoring. So the 5th best player on his team but 2nd in scoring in the whole league.

So second in scoring in the league on the team that was in the final.

And here are his stats for the final four.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=MAD&seasoncode=E2013

2nd in points for the final four for the runner-up of Euroleague.

One of the best players in Euroleague.


You are such a retarded clown. Mirotic wasn't 2nd in the Euroleague in scoring you lying, trolling freak.


THIS IS THE POINTS PER GAME STAT YOU FREAKING IDIOT --->

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Score&agg=PerGame


You are absolutely MENTALLY RETARDED.


You also forgot to post Mirotic's stats for the Spanish League Finals (no surprise there, since you are an epic mega troll).........


That's OK, because I will post them for you:

http://i58.tinypic.com/15rz685.jpg


Yeah, and his stats in the Euroleague Final Four the previous year:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=000796&seasoncode=E2012


You are the biggest damn clown in this forum.

[Euroleague]

There's a reason he was the Euroleague MVP, DPOY, and overall POY.

He was the best player over there. Now he's taken the next step to a professional league.

He was NOT Euroleague MVP. He was NOT Euroleague "DPOY" (and it's not even called that idiot). There is not even any such award as Euroleague "POY".

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

:rolleyes:

[Myth]

Wait, this was a debate? Who cares about Euroleague players until they are in the NBA?

[Ass Dan]

better than V-Span

[Euroleague]

http://i59.tinypic.com/9hl1rr.png

best player in Euroleague with the putrid sub 20 per and 13 ppg. We are not worthy!

He didn't post anything related to points per game you freaking moron. Evidently, neither one of you can read.

This is points per game.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Score&agg=PerGame


It's unbelievable how stupid you two are.

[imnew09]

I agree, Mirotic is too overrated. Idk why Bull fans are so hype wit this guy :facepalm

[Milbuck]

Who cares about Euroleague players until they are in the NBA?
Pretty much this. I always thought of Euroleague, FIBA, Eurocup, Greek League, all of those amateur clubs as just one big transition league for players to develop their skills until they go pro in the NBA.

[Lebronxrings]

Euro be euroing. Getting the excuses ready so when mitotic becomes a 10ppg player he can bring up the excuse "he isn't even top 5 on his team. He's one of the bulls best players so euro>>NBA obviously.

[Euroleague]

Mirotic was the only player in Euroleague to be top 15 in points, steals, blocks and player efficiency though.

Your trolling bullshit is called out.

Mirotic was 18th in steals.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Steals&agg=PerGame

Mirotic was 25th in rebounds.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&phasetypecode=RS%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&cat=TotalRebounds&agg=PerGame


And that's only using qualified players (players getting eliminated at the regular season don't count). It's way lower if I use the stats counting all the players, including the players that got eliminated at the regular season (like how the NBA counts stats).

So drop the freaking trolling bull shit already.

[poido123]

I agree, Mirotic is too overrated. Idk why Bull fans are so hype wit this guy :facepalm


None of us are overrating him dude.

We are saying that he will likely have some adjustment isuues early on in the season then get gradually better.

We expect him to be an elite shooter and provide us some scoring punch off the bench this year. That's it.

He is a crafty player and can finish the fast break too. He is not a good rebounder and he lacks the defensive side to his game.

[Droid101]

Euroleague daily routine:

1. Check NBA transaction wire.
2. If European player is signed, skip to step 4.
3. If European player is released, skip to step 5.
4. Run to InsideHoops to explain why this player is trash in Europe and that the US fans are stupid for thinking they'll be any good.
5. Run to InsideHoops to explain why the NBA is stupid and didn't give this incredible player a shot.
6. If none of the above are applicable, maintain idiocy level for 24 hours until the transaction wire is updated.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.Can someone cover me? Great stuff.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

30 year old keith langford the euroleague leading scorer has played 10 minutes in the nba :lol

[poido123]

Can someone cover me? Great stuff.


I can, but I won't be able to sufficiently reward such a good post with the appropriate rep.

[Euroleague]

Pretty much this. I always thought of Euroleague, FIBA, Eurocup, Greek League, all of those amateur clubs as just one big transition league for players to develop their skills until they go pro in the NBA.

You really need to just STFU.

[Euroleague]

30 year old keith langford the euroleague leading scorer has played 10 minutes in the nba :lol

And he turns down NBA contracts every year. What exactly is your point?

[Euroleague]

None of us are overrating him dude.

We are saying that he will likely have some adjustment isuues early on in the season then get gradually better.

We expect him to be an elite shooter and provide us some scoring punch off the bench this year. That's it.

He is a crafty player and can finish the fast break too. He is not a good rebounder and he lacks the defensive side to his game.

This is very realistic except for the part where you said "elite" shooter. Mirotic isn't an elite shooter.

[Milbuck]

This is very realistic except for the part where you said "elite" shooter. Mirotic isn't an elite shooter.
Then why did he lead Euroleague and FIBA in FG%, 3PT%, FT%, AND eFG% during his MVP season last year?

That's like comparing prime Steve Nash's shooting abilities to Rondo's..

[outbreak]

People have over rated him a little but in general I think most people aren't expecting him to be a star especially not day one, he should be solid though.

But once again Euroleague deliberately labels a play as bad just so he can claim look at how well a euroleague scrub does in the nba. The guy won muiltiple MBP of the month awards, multiple rising star awards and if i remember correctly he was FIBA europes under 20 (or was it under 19?) MVP one year. Funny how players who are supposedly scrubs win so many awards.....
Euroleague also likes ignoring the fact that a lot of the guys he hates on are young and develop as they age, like the time he was using rubios numbers as a 16 year old playing against grown men compared to his stats now.....
He's right that people over rate some players (like mirotic in some cases) but once again he goes waaaaaay too far.

[Quizno]

wait, hold the **** up.... andre kirilenko was the euroleague mvp 2 years ago?! is this real life?!?!?

[Milbuck]

wait, hold the **** up.... andre kirilenko was the euroleague mvp 2 years ago?! is this real life?!?!?
:oldlol: Yes. Bum ass grandpa Kirilenko won MVP averaging 14ppg :roll:

[(e)]

Your trolling bullshit is called out.

Mirotic was 18th in steals.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Steals&agg=PerGame

Mirotic was 25th in rebounds.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&phasetypecode=RS%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&cat=TotalRebounds&agg=PerGame


And that's only using qualified players (players getting eliminated at the regular season don't count). It's way lower if I use the stats counting all the players, including the players that got eliminated at the regular season (like how the NBA counts stats).

So drop the freaking trolling bull shit already.

First, where did I say rebounds? I said he was top 15 in points, steals, blocks, and player efficiency.

He was 6th in points
http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Score&agg=Accumulated

He was 8th in steals
http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Steals&agg=Accumulated

He was 6th in blocks
http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=BlocksFavour&agg=Accumulated

He was 2nd in index rating
http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=BlocksFavour&agg=Accumulated

So looks like he's actually top 8 in all those categories. Maybe next time you try to step you should learn to read. Get the ether you troll.

[Euroleague]

Then why did he lead Euroleague and FIBA in FG%, 3PT%, FT%, AND eFG% during his MVP season last year?

That's like comparing prime Steve Nash's shooting abilities to Rondo's..

Why wasn't Giannis, "the Bucks franchise player", good enough to make the roster of any teams in the Greek League for TWO STRAIGHT YEARS, despite trying?

And that's actually TRUE, unlike the complete insanity you posted.

[Euroleague]

People have over rated him a little but in general I think most people aren't expecting him to be a star especially not day one, he should be solid though.

But once again Euroleague deliberately labels a play as bad just so he can claim look at how well a euroleague scrub does in the nba. The guy won muiltiple MBP of the month awards, multiple rising star awards and if i remember correctly he was FIBA europes under 20 (or was it under 19?) MVP one year. Funny how players who are supposedly scrubs win so many awards.....
Euroleague also likes ignoring the fact that a lot of the guys he hates on are young and develop as they age, like the time he was using rubios numbers as a 16 year old playing against grown men compared to his stats now.....
He's right that people over rate some players (like mirotic in some cases) but once again he goes waaaaaay too far.


You distort the living hell out of every single word I say. I never said anything remotely close to that you stupid POS.

[Euroleague]

First, where did I say rebounds? I said he was top 15 in points, steals, blocks, and player efficiency.

He was 6th in points
http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Score&agg=Accumulated

He was 8th in steals
http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=Steals&agg=Accumulated

He was 6th in blocks
http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=BlocksFavour&agg=Accumulated

He was 2nd in index rating
http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2013&cat=BlocksFavour&agg=Accumulated

So looks like he's actually top 8 in all those categories. Maybe next time you try to step you should learn to read. Get the ether you troll.


You freaking IDIOT. Euroleague is a TOURNAMENT. It isn't a set league with each team playing the same amount of games you moron. You can't use accumulated stats to make an argument you colossal clown.

OMG how stupid can you be...................

DUMBEST POSTER ALIVE EVER RIGHT THERE.

Even more than gabepizza.

[Milbuck]

Why wasn't Giannis, "the Busks franchise player", good enough to make the roster of any teams in the Greek League for TWO STRAIGHT YEARS, despite trying?

And that's actually TRUE, unlike the complete insanity you posted.
Wait, are you not considering the Greek league All Star roster an actual roster? Because Giannis made that at 17.

[Smook A.]

DUMBEST POSTER ALIVE EVER RIGHT THERE.[/B]
Look in the mirror.

[moe94]

How do you win MVP if you're just the 5th best player on your team?

[beastee]

Euroleague daily routine:

1. Check NBA transaction wire.
2. If European player is signed, skip to step 4.
3. If European player is released, skip to step 5.
4. Run to InsideHoops to explain why this player is trash in Europe and that the US fans are stupid for thinking they'll be any good.
5. Run to InsideHoops to explain why the NBA is stupid and didn't give this incredible player a shot.
6. If none of the above are applicable, maintain idiocy level for 24 hours until the transaction wire is updated.

Amazing truth to this. And you know it is that deep burn, because Euro has not even acknowledged it. :applause: :applause:

[duskovujosevic]

he is using mirotic, just to fulfill his agenda about euroleague players being scrubs if NBA buys them.

[Jailblazers7]

Damn, that's awesome that Keith Langford is leading Euroleague in PPG. He was awesome at Kansas.

[Rooster]

Damn, that's awesome that Keith Langford is leading Euroleague in PPG. He was awesome at Kansas.

Bobby Brown did the same and even broke the single game Euroleague scoring record and never got an NBA offer even for a minimum. :oldlol: Langford is too old now, he's much better serve making a living dusting those against those stiff and slow as molasses Euros.:oldlol:

[outbreak]

You distort the living hell out of every single word I say. I never said anything remotely close to that you stupid POS.
Man you can deny some shit, you posted stats of his comparing to one of his timberwolves seasons, the stats you used were from his first or second year in euroleague when he was 16 or 17. Then you ignored me when I posted a link and didn't reply. You make some good points at times but you always take things to the extreme, Mirotic isn't some amazing all star player but at the same time he is far from a scrub.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

How do you win MVP if you're just the 5th best player on your team?
would like to know this as well

[ralph_i_el]

You freaking IDIOT. Euroleague is a TOURNAMENT. It isn't a set league with each team playing the same amount of games you moron. You can't use accumulated stats to make an argument you colossal clown.

OMG how stupid can you be...................

DUMBEST POSTER ALIVE EVER RIGHT THERE.

Even more than gabepizza.

so are all these other games meaningless then?:confusedshrug:
European basketball is even sadder than I thought

[niko]

I heard Bogadanovic was the best Euro ever. Not this Morotic. OP is right. Bogs forever! One of them!

[Euroleague]

How do you win MVP if you're just the 5th best player on your team?

He didn't win MVP genius.

[Euroleague]

Wait, are you not considering the Greek league All Star roster an actual roster? Because Giannis made that at 17.

The local YMCA rec youth center's all star roster for the Sepolia neighborhood does not count.

[Euroleague]

Bobby Brown did the same and even broke the single game Euroleague scoring record and never got an NBA offer even for a minimum. :oldlol: Langford is too old now, he's much better serve making a living dusting those against those stiff and slow as molasses Euros.:oldlol:

That's total bullshit.

The Euroleague single game scoring record is 99 points, held by Radivoj Korac.

Bobby Brown never scored 100 points in a Euroleague game you lying creep.

[Euroleague]

Man you can deny some shit, you posted stats of his comparing to one of his timberwolves seasons, the stats you used were from his first or second year in euroleague when he was 16 or 17. Then you ignored me when I posted a link and didn't reply. You make some good points at times but you always take things to the extreme, Mirotic isn't some amazing all star player but at the same time he is far from a scrub.

I never did any such thing. You are a LIAR.

I used stats from when he was freaking 20 years old in Euroleague.

TWENTY YEARS OLD.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=LFW&seasoncode=E2010


You LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE

That's TWENTY YEARS OLD stats. But you keep MAKING UP LIES like this here endlessly about me. You are a real POS.

[Euroleague]

would like to know this as well

He didn't win the MVP in Spanish League in regular season or playoffs.

He didn't win the MVP in Euroleague in regular season or playoffs.

He wasn't MVP in either league that he played in, regular season or playoffs.

Maybe you should actually check your facts before asking idiotic questions like that.

People like Rooster and Milbuck are saying he was MVP because they are lying trolls and are MAKING IT UP. It isn't true and in like 30 seconds on Google you could have figured that out.

And if you can't figure out for yourself what colossal trolls those guys are and that they lie every single time they post.......

:facepalm :rolleyes:

[Euroleague]

so are all these other games meaningless then?:confusedshrug:
European basketball is even sadder than I thought

It's a tournament you clown. My God......how stupid are you fools?

The regular season is only 10 games long. Teams get eliminated at the regular season. That's just TEN GAMES.

Then it goes to a top 16....teams get eliminated at that...

then to a playoff series, etc.

You cannot compare Mirotic playing the MAXIMUM amount of games allowed in the whole league, to an entire league of hundreds of players that DID NOT, and most of them only played 10 games, when he played over 30 games.

If you think that makes sense to compare it like that using only "accumulated" stats, then yeah, your IQ is sub 65.

It isn't a league system like the NBA. National leagues are the league system, and European competitions are tournaments. How freaking hard can this possibly be to grasp? It's the freaking same thing as European football. It's unbelievable how dumb people in this forum are.

[Le Shaqtus]

Euroleague back in the red where he belongs :banana:

[outbreak]

He didn't win the MVP in Spanish League in regular season or playoffs.

He didn't win the MVP in Euroleague in regular season or playoffs.

He wasn't MVP in either league that he played in, regular season or playoffs.

Maybe you should actually check your facts before asking idiotic questions like that.

People like Rooster and Milbuck are saying he was MVP because they are lying trolls and are MAKING IT UP. It isn't true and in like 30 seconds on Google you could have figured that out.

And if you can't figure out for yourself what colossal trolls those guys are and that they lie every single time they post.......

:facepalm :rolleyes:

He won MVP for a couple of weeks which is what's probably confused them. And you did use rubios numbers from when he was young in another thread, I don't understand why you are such a nut and have to claim everyone's lieing all the time :facepalm

[97 bulls]

Was he the best player on his team?

[97 bulls]

http://chicago.sportsmockery.com/post/8404/10-facts-chicago-bulls-fans-need-know-nikola-mirotic

Id like to get your opinion on the information in this link Euroleague.

[Bernie Nips]

But Euroleague, how can he be only 5th best on his team AND win the MVP? You haven't answered that yet.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He didn't win the MVP in Spanish League in regular season or playoffs.

He didn't win the MVP in Euroleague in regular season or playoffs.

He wasn't MVP in either league that he played in, regular season or playoffs.

Maybe you should actually check your facts before asking idiotic questions like that.

People like Rooster and Milbuck are saying he was MVP because they are lying trolls and are MAKING IT UP. It isn't true and in like 30 seconds on Google you could have figured that out.

And if you can't figure out for yourself what colossal trolls those guys are and that they lie every single time they post.......

:facepalm :rolleyes:

Maybe if you explained it without going off on a tirade?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACB_Most_Valuable_Player_Award

No trolling: what am i missing?

[GOBB]

Euroleague daily routine:

1. Check NBA transaction wire.
2. If European player is signed, skip to step 4.
3. If European player is released, skip to step 5.
4. Run to InsideHoops to explain why this player is trash in Europe and that the US fans are stupid for thinking they'll be any good.
5. Run to InsideHoops to explain why the NBA is stupid and didn't give this incredible player a shot.
6. If none of the above are applicable, maintain idiocy level for 24 hours until the transaction wire is updated.

:roll: Euroscum owned

[BoutPractice]

Great post, but Euroleague is technically right.

Mirotic was not the best player in the Euroleague last year. In fact he was only named to the All-Euroleague Second Team... the players ahead of him were his own teammate Rudy Fernandez (who also outscored him), and Sonny Weems.
Worse, Spanoulis was on that second team with him.

The Euroleague MVP was Sergio Rodriguez and the ACB MVP was Justin Doellman, who used to average 10 and 5 for the Xavier Musketeers.

Different leagues, though. Different games. It's less about individual stars, and games are shorter, hence why stats are usually lower.

It's easy to laugh about European leagues, but they are top level professional leagues, unlike the NCAA.

Most NBA role players you could easily replace with Euroleague players. In fact, it's exactly the sort of stuff San Antonio Spurs does, and it's paid off. There's no Kevin Durant in Europe right now, but many many players who are completely interchangeable with a Darrell Arthur or a Courtney Lee.

[Optimus Prime]

Everyone knows the Euroleague GOAT is Anthony Parker. Now and forever. :bowdown:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=AOW&seasoncode=e2005

Runner-up is White Mamba.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003629&clubcode=TRE

Or Deron Williams, whom they are going to build a statue for.

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.playerID_44573.compID_B Yg5Rb55Jw-G5I3MZ6JB01.season_2012.roundID_8593.teamID_3136.h tml

[Euroleague]

He won MVP for a couple of weeks which is what's probably confused them. And you did use rubios numbers from when he was young in another thread, I don't understand why you are such a nut and have to claim everyone's lieing all the time :facepalm

You LIED about me....I called you on it. You got proven to be LYING about me.

Instead of just letting it go, when it was obvious for everyone here to see you LIED, you STILL had to come back with another LIE.

I call people LIARS when they are LIARS, like YOU that LIE about things and claim I am the one "LYING" about it.

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http://chicago.sportsmockery.com/post/8404/10-facts-chicago-bulls-fans-need-know-nikola-mirotic

Id like to get your opinion on the information in this link Euroleague.

The website is aptly named. They even threw in a quote by Fran Fraschilla who is an absolute joke. The guy knows absolutely NOTHING about the Euroleague or international basketball.

Everyone who does just laughs and laughs at the guy every single year at the NBA draft. He's a complete clown. And the quote about Mirotic was as usual ridiculous.

Anyway, it's just some of the total bullshit I already debunked in this thread, and evidently that was where some of the trolls here were getting that stuff from.

You can list each item if you want and I can break down one by one why it is bullshit or might be a definite and intentional distortion of facts and absolutely probably came straight from Mirotic's agency and is just being spewed out by US media and eaten up, after all the endless hype that ESPN and draftexpress pushed. Which is exactly what I am saying.

It's just like with Rubio.

And remember I kept telling everyone here all along about that here and the reaction here was exactly the same about how I was lying and trolling and making it all up. Now everyone here wants to PRETEND that never happened, or like outbreak they are just outright LYING about it.

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Was he the best player on his team?

No. He was the 5th best player on real Madrid.

For comparison, that's much better of a case than it was with Rubio before he came to the NBA though. Rubio was the 12th best player on Barcelona.

Of course endlessly the clown mega trolls like gabepizza, Rooster, and Dr.J4ever would posts hundreds of times here trying to pretend that Rubio was "the greatest player in the history of Europe" but now everyone pretty much knows I was telling the truth about that and ignores those clowns on that shit.

The difference in these situations though is that after years and years of endless hype from Draftexpress and ESPN on Rubio, right before he came to the NBA they started to turn on him, and ESPN started to say "he can't shoot" and the hype started to wane a bit.

In the case of Mirotic, it is the exact opposite, where they are hyping him endlessly to the absolute full maximum.

"Best player in Europe"...even though he was actually the 5th best player on Real Madrid.

If you want to get an idea on what that would mean, Real Madrid would have probably been the 2nd best team in the Eastern Conference last year.

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But Euroleague, how can he be only 5th best on his team AND win the MVP? You haven't answered that yet.

I have answered it over and over genius. Because he did NOT win MVP of any league he played in, regular season or playoffs.

He was only "MVP" in the minds and fantasies of trolls and delusional Bulls fans, and in the lying hype machine called US sports media and NBA.

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Maybe if you explained it without going off on a tirade?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACB_Most_Valuable_Player_Award

No trolling: what am i missing?

That it was LAST year and that it is VOTED BY THE FANS.

And that his TEAMMATES are being voted equal or higher than him in the awards, whether it be Spanish League or Euroleague.

And that ACB MVP award isn't anything to do with EUROLEAGUE. The actual TOP league in EUROPE. ACB MVP (Spanish League MVP) - that's JUST ONE COUNTRY'S MVP. Euroleague is the MVP for the whole continent of all of EUROPE. Example, Spanish League has 2 of the best teams in Europe. Euroleague has ALL of the best teams in Europe.

Also, while the fans also get to vote for Euroleague MVP, the fan vote is weighed down and coaches and media get more say in it.

Thus, where some of this "best player in Europe" talk might POSSIBLY, at least maybe even be warranted for a discussion at least, if someone had actually won that (Euroleague MVP)......he's never even gotten a single vote for that award in his career.

Again, besides the point everyone keeps asking the retarded question about "how could he not be the best player on a team where he was MVP", when he was NOT MVP. That was a year earlier.


Besides....that's so absurd because.................his OWN TEAMMATES ---->


Felipe Reyes - 2013 Spanish League Finals MVP

Sergio Rodriguez - 2014 Euroleague MVP


And BOTH of those awards are much more important than the one Mirotic one. So that "best player on your team because you won MVP" thing is absolutely absurd when two of his teammates also won MVP awards and BOTH of those awards are more important.

And YES Euroleague MVP is WAY more important than Spanish League MVP, and YES in European basketball, the finals MVPs are more important than the league MVPs. That's actually especially true in Euroleague - something all the clown trolls that talk about Anthony Parker here all the time purposely avoid.

It's the opposite of the NBA, where the season MVP is more important. In Europe it's the opposite, where the playoff MVP is more important.

So that argument about being best player on Real Madrid because he won an MVP does not add up. Both Felipe Reyes and Sergio Rodriguez would trump him there.

And let's talk about All-Euroleague Team if you want. If you want something tangible you can look up and back up..........

The last two years Mirotic was 2nd team in all Euroleague. Guess what? His own teammate, Rudy Fernandez was FIRST team all Euroleague both years. Meaning that in each of the last two seasons, Rudy was considered better. And yeah that's voted by fans and media so it has an error in it since the fans vote, but still, Mirotic gets the up swing there, due to all the endless hype around him.

Look, when I say he was 5th best player on Real Madrid I am being GENEROUS. I could just as easily say 6th best and put Felipe Reyes over him since he was always in the important moments of every game while Mirotic was being benched.

I GENEROUSLY said 5th best, only because Reyes is old and has a limit on how many minutes he can play now, otherwise it would be 6th best, because when Reyes was actually on court, he too was better.

And no way in hell is anyone sensible going to argue he was the "best player in Europe" when the Euroleague MVP (Sergio Rodriguez) was on his own team. I mean, this stuff from ESPN, and US sports media is just absolutely absurd and insane. Bottom line TRUTH, he was a ROLE PLAYER on Real Madrid.

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Everyone knows the Euroleague GOAT is Anthony Parker. Now and forever. :bowdown:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=AOW&seasoncode=e2005

Runner-up is White Mamba.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003629&clubcode=TRE

Or Deron Williams, whom they are going to build a statue for.

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.playerID_44573.compID_B Yg5Rb55Jw-G5I3MZ6JB01.season_2012.roundID_8593.teamID_3136.h tml

That's nice, even though Williams and Scalabrine never played in Euroleague.

And they had a vote not too long ago on top 20 Americans to play in Euroleague from the basketball historians in Europe. Parker finished 14th.

14th just among American players in Euroleague.

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You LIED about me....I called you on it. You got proven to be LYING about me.

Instead of just letting it go, when it was obvious for everyone here to see you LIED, you STILL had to come back with another LIE.

I call people LIARS when they are LIARS, like YOU that LIE about things and claim I am the one "LYING" about it.

You didn't prove shit? You just claimed I was lieing and are now saying you proved something? Why would I let something go when I know it happened. I don't give a shit what people here think, I know what I've read and I know the discussions we've had in the past. You lie to everyone on here and have zero credibility anymore, you're the fool who posts quotes out of context with no links and when people go find the links the qoutes don't actually say what you've manipulated them to say. You're a nutjob.

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Great post, but Euroleague is technically right.

Mirotic was not the best player in the Euroleague last year. In fact he was only named to the All-Euroleague Second Team... the players ahead of him were his own teammate Rudy Fernandez (who also outscored him), and Sonny Weems.
Worse, Spanoulis was on that second team with him.

The Euroleague MVP was Sergio Rodriguez and the ACB MVP was Justin Doellman, who used to average 10 and 5 for the Xavier Musketeers.

Different leagues, though. Different games. It's less about individual stars, and games are shorter, hence why stats are usually lower.

It's easy to laugh about European leagues, but they are top level professional leagues, unlike the NCAA.

Most NBA role players you could easily replace with Euroleague players. In fact, it's exactly the sort of stuff San Antonio Spurs does, and it's paid off. There's no Kevin Durant in Europe right now, but many many players who are completely interchangeable with a Darrell Arthur or a Courtney Lee.

He's 100% right that Mirotic was not the best player in Europe, most people haven't argued that point except the trolls. The real argument is that Euroleague claims he wasn't a good player which is total horseshit. He wasn't amazing but he was still a solid player.

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He's 100% right that Mirotic was not the best player in Europe, most people haven't argued that point except the trolls. The real argument is that Euroleague claims he wasn't a good player which is total horseshit. He wasn't amazing but he was still a solid player.

Again, you LIE. I NEVER said any such thing.

You just can't stop lying. You are a creepy guy.

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Again, you LIE. I NEVER said any such thing.

You just can't stop lying. You are a creepy guy.
You're a real nut, read your own posts in this thread about him and tell me you're not saying he's a bad player. You are certifiable.

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You're a real nut, read your own posts in this thread about him and tell me you're not saying he's a bad player. You are certifiable.

WTF? I never said he was a bad player. I said in several posts he would do fine for the role Chicago needed him in if they were expecting him to shoot open 3 pointers.

Where the hell did I say he was a bad player?

I said 5th best player (6th best considering Reyes is better when he's on the floor, but that's he's too old to play that much now).......on Real, and then I said that last year's Real would have been the 2nd best team in the Eastern Conference.

How the hell is that saying he's a "bad player"?

WTF?

Lay of the drugs.

I am disputing the ABSURD claims and the ludicrous untrue HYPE that is coming from US media and NBA fans that is universally saying he was "the best player in Europe".

Mirotic was if you want a good NBA equivalent - what he was in the Euroleague on Real Madrid, as something like what Mirza Teletovic is on the Nets. Something like that.

Now, how in the freaking hell is that a "bad player"? That's not a "bad player" at all. But at the same time, for ANYONE to claim that Mirza Teletovic was the best player in the NBA, well they would be doing some SERIOUS trolling and would obviously be on drugs or just flat out insane and/or retarded.

That's the point I am making. Mirotic in Euroleague was like Teletovic is in the NBA pretty much. In no way at all is that a "bad player". And in no way in hell I am making any such claim, and I NEVER EVER SAID ANY SUCH THING HERE IN THIS FORUM. And you can spend all the time you want looking for it, because you will NOT find it. Because I never said it.

But it's absolutely freaking insane to go claiming such a player is "the best". It's crazy. It would be crazy to say Teletovic is the best player in the NBA, and it's equally as crazy to say Mirotic was the best player in Europe.

Here's the problem though......US media and NBA media, and NBA fans are ALL saying just exactly that.

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WTF? I never said he was a bad player. I said in several posts he would do fine for the role Chicago needed him in if they were expecting him to shoot open 3 pointers.

Where the hell did I say he was a bad player?

I said 5th best player (6th best considering Reyes is better when he's on the floor, but that's he's too old to play that much now).......on Real, and then I said that last year's Real would have been the 2nd best team in the Eastern Conference.

How the hell is that saying he's a "bad player"?

WTF?

Lay of the drugs.

I am disputing the ABSURD claims and the ludicrous untrue HYPE that is coming from US media and NBA fans that is universally saying he was "the best player in Europe".

Mirotic was if you want a good NBA equivalent - what he was in the Euroleague on Real Madrid, as something like what Mirza Teletovic is on the Nets. Something like that.

Now, how in the freaking hell is that a "bad player"? That's not a "bad player" at all. But at the same time, for ANYONE to claim that Mirza Teletovic was the best player in the NBA, well they would be doing some SERIOUS trolling and would obviously be on drugs or just flat out insane and/or retarded.

That's the point I am making. Mirotic in Euroleague was like Teletovic is in the NBA pretty much. In no way at all is that a "bad player". And in no way in hell I am making any such claim, and I NEVER EVER SAID ANY SUCH THING HERE IN THIS FORUM. And you can spend all the time you want looking for it, because you will NOT find it. Because I never said it.

But it's absolutely freaking insane to go claiming such a player is "the best". It's crazy. It would be crazy to say Teletovic is the best player in the NBA, and it's equally as crazy to say Mirotic was the best player in Europe.

Here's the problem though......US media and NBA media, and NBA fans are ALL saying just exactly that.

softest player you've ever seen, terrible rebounder, can't play defense, has others hand him his baskets but yeah you think he's a good player lol

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